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>> and an almost veto and a not-so-veiled threat. >> i will never sign another bill like this again. i'm not going to do it again. >> the spending bill becomes law but not without washington drama. plus, more turnover at the white house. a frustrated president, an anxious staff. and trump's legal woes continue. >> i want my rights back. i need to control it. >> the women behind the lawsuits that could force the president to be deposed. >> "inside politics," the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters, now. welcome to "inside politics." john king is off today. to our viewers in the united states and around the world, thanks for sharing your sunday with us. hundreds of thousands rallied in marches across the country and around the world protesting gun violence. teens led the rallying cry with
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a nation gnat spotlight on the parkland, florida, school shooting survivor who is marched in the shadow of the capitol. pifirst, president trump is back in florida after a busy week in washington. the chaos included another staff shake-up, three legal cases brewing over trump's past personal conduct, and a last-minute veto threat of a spending bill to keep the government open. now, that will he or won't he drama came after the senate passed the funding bill in the middle of the night with assurances from the white house that the president would, indeed, sign that bill. then on friday morning, just hours before trump was slated to sign the bill, he turned the process into a cliffhanger, tweeting, "i am considering a veto of the omnibus spending
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bill based on the fact that 800,000 plus daca recipients have been totally abandoned by the democrats, not even mentioned in bill, and the border wall, which is desperately needed for our national defense, is not fully funded." trump ended up signing the bill, but he had this warning. >> there are a lot of things that i'm unhappy about in this bill. there are a lot of things that we shouldn't have had in this bill, but we were in a sense forced if we want to build our military, we were forced to have. there are some things that we should have in the bill. but i say to congress, i will never sign another bill like this again. i'm not going to do it again. >> now, some conservatives aren't buying it. there was this headline, the fake veto, and from the "red state," you twisted my arm, i'll sign it -- trump dumps a $1.3 trillion spending bill on u.s.
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taxpayers. and from the normally trump friendly breitbart.com, there was this -- donald trump signs bloated $1.3 billion omnibus bill, cites military funding. and from conservative talk show host rush limbaugh, normally a trump fan, he says that trump should have vetoed the bill on behalf of his base. >> this budget is designed to separate trump voters from trump. this budget is designed to make trump voters think that trump's presidency is irrelevant. this budget is designed to make trump voters conclude, you know what, there isn't going to be a wall and there isn't going to be anything serious in immigration, and so having trump be president is meaningless. folks, this budge set a slap in the face. this budge set the washington establishment both parties te telling donald trump to go to hell. >> we have michael scherer of "the new york times," molly ball of "time," cnn's phil mattingly,
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and rachel bait of politico. tough words from rough limbaugh, basically saying that this was a message to trump, drop dead, essentially, you're irrelevant. molly, what do you make of what trump's relationship with his base is at this point after signing this bill that he basically slammed? what's that relationship like? how can he repair it? and what does this dust-up mean for the way that republicans can motivate that base? >> well, we have seen already evidence that the republican base is going to be demoralized in november. that can always change, but in, you know, elections at the state level and special congressional elections, you are seeing republican voters not nearly as enthusiastic as republicans are going to need them to be if they want to keep the house. and so, but i was quite surprised to hear the right-wing media go as hard against this bill as they did. it is a big spending bill. it is a bill that democrats feel
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they scored a big victory on, and it does in many ways continue the status quo of domestic spending in washington. but usually, the conservative media have sort of covered for trump, right, they've justified whatever he wants to do, whatever he decides to do. that becomes the new great thing to do. and in this case, they really are giving him some pushback, and so it will be very interesting to see if conservatives really react to this. and, you know, trump himself gave them the ammunition. >> he did. >> i can't imagine a worse thing to do politically than to tell your supporters this is a bad bill then turn around and sign it anyway, and then, but i won't do it again. >> you have trump now noticing what is a pretty steady blowback, not only from folks like rush limbaugh but fox news personalities as well. he was up tweeting this morning.
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"building a great border wall with drugs, poison, and enemy combatants pouring into our country is all about national defense. build wall through m." no sense of what "m" is, mexico or magic. we don't know. he also said, "much can be done with $1.6 billion given to building and fixing the border wall." michael, what do you make of that pushback from him? >> the honest thing about what trump did on this is that he reminded his base to attack him when he was going to sign it, right? as molly said weather kids, if you don't tell your kids they're going to get a cookie, they might not think about it. but you say i'm going to give you a cookie and you don't give them the cookie, they'll be really mad about it. >> in this case, the cookie is the veto. >> right. it was weird he raised the issue of the possible veto and decided
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to sign it anyway. if he had not, he might have gotten blowback but i don't think it would have been quite as intense. the tweets this morning. he seems to continue to conflate the daca issue with the spending bill, which, you know, there had been some discussion about whether or not they might address the daca issue as part of this bill. >> but it didn't happen. >> but it didn't happen. it seems to me the sort of fundamental questions about whether or not he was going to sign this bill had to do with much bigger things than that. >> and the base certainly doesn't want to hear about daca. >> exactly. >> phil, one of the things you saw in contrast to what republicans are saying and the president and fox news personalities are saying about this bill, democrats essentially spiking the football. here is chuck schumer talking about all the good this bill did. >> we democrats are really happy with what we were able to accomplish on a number of priorities that democrats have fought for all along.
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at the end of the day, as the minority party, we feel good about being able to succeed in so many ways. we don't have the house. we don't have the senate. we don't have the presidency. but we produced a darn good bill for the priorities that we have believed in. >> different messaging. >> definitely. and prefaced with everybody is spinning the heck out of this bill, trying to say they got victories. that's what happens when you compromise and try to figure out a pragmatic path forward. the reality is for anyone of us covering washington, the spending increases on the nondomestic side, you're left slackjawed. it never would have been a remote possibility. that's why conservatives are so fired up because of the spending side, but that's what it took for republicans to get the spending increase on the republican side. this is a negotiation. in washington, recent conservatives get so mad about
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bill like this, negotiations in washington as it relates to spending means more spending on both sides. and that's the truth. when nancy pelosi and schumer say we're the minority party, we're not supposed to get what we got out of this, they're wrong. to republicans got things they want too. defense spending is enormous, something they'd been work ong for six, seven, eight years. but if you're democrats and you look at opioid funding, veterans funding, infrastructure, you're probably pretty happy with the bill. >> we see the president talking about doing something about tariffs. we did see the markets react, not so well, a two-day drop about 1,100 points. is that problematic that the economy, which they want to run on, seems to be kind of ill at ease with the tariffs?
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>> republicans on the hill are still freaking out about the tariff issue. i think the president, because he's frustrated that he didn't get his wall in the omnibus, is looking for something to hold up as a victory right now. it's interesting because there's been this theory among republicans on capitol hill if trump declares victory the base is going to applaud. a lot of people feel if trump said we are rebuilding the military, we are doing an influx of cash that we haven't done in years, this is something i campaigned on, something i'm deliver, people would be okay with it. instead, again, as we said, he threw them under the bus, he slide chided them for putting out a bill 48 voting on it, 2,0 of spending, and this will damage the relationship between hill republicans and the white house in the next spending time, because they said they would be with them. >> you could see the dueling tensions messaging within the white house because by the end of his remarks that day, there
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were lines about i want to congratulate the members of congress, and he'd just thrown them under the bus. there was this dueling messaging. >> one of the things he did was send out a fund-raising plea saying he needs allies in the sno senate and the house. still ahead, students marching for their lives. remarkable pictures from the nation's capital and around the country. will it rhcreate change?
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and when it comes down to it, we will vote! >> to the politicians that believe their right to own a gun comes before our lives, get ready to get voted out by us! >> the reality, however, is much, much more complicated. anger at washington can be a powerful motivator, and that pushed hundreds of thousands from coast to coast to march in student-led protests. those marchers received wall-to-wall coverage across cable networks yesterday, but what happens now, today, and the day after, and in the coming months is still very much unclear. so, too, is whether that anger actually morphs into a movement capable of changing gun laws. we did see reaction here, lots of vrge co-if you looked at the covers of the papers in new york, the two tabloids there, there was this message. "the new york post" had "up in arms -- america's youth in
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revolt over guns." "the daily news," "america up in arms." where do you see things standing in terms of america's relationship with guns and what is this relatively new movement around gun control led by these young people? >> there is a fire and passion right now with these young adults and adults across the country for stricter gun laws right now. but movements take time. and until we actually see this discontent register on the ballot box, we're not going to see much change in washington, at least from congress' standpoint. congress just passed a bill this week that basically reinforces existing gun laus, makes penalties a little tougher. the cdc is now also going to be allowed to research gun violence, which there was sort of a chilling effect there. but they're not talking about any sort of weapons bans. they're not talk about increasing the age of when you can purchase firearms. the reality is they won't even have that conversation unless republicans are booted from
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office because of their position on guns p sop they have a l. so they have a lot of work to do and keep that energy going and perhaps there will be change in a couple years. >> here's one message to america and to folks in office. >> i am here to represent and acknowledge the stories of the african-americans whoever day don't make the front page of the newspaper. these stories don't air on the evening news. these names, these black girls and women, are just numbers. i'm here to say never again for those girls too. i am here to say that everyone should value those girls too. >> michael, you wrote about the march for "the new york times." what do you see as their strategy, the young folks there? she's obviously 11. she has a political strategy
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certainly not for 2018. what do you see happening? >> so, i think that rachel is right, that the question will be what message do politicians take from what happens this fall no november? and if the message is that in, you know, multiple districts there were politicians, mostly probably republicans, who lose their seats because this in part, because this movement has translated the passion from yesterday into actual voting, into voter registration, into people going to the ballot boxes, then there's some potential for change and for congress to take a different approach than they've taken for a bunch of years now. i think, you know, those of us kind of here in the political chattering class, i think we're all very skeptical because we've seen a lot of powerful things happen around this issue over the last, you know, decade, whether it be elementary school
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children slaughtered in connecticut or the people mowed down in las vegas or, you know, columbine or all the others. i think that's why we're all very sort of skeptical, and yet, you know, yesterday was a pretty remarkable moment. the thing that struck me most about yesterday was the normal faces you always see, which are the adult politicians, the adult activists -- >> they were not leading. none of them spoke. >> none of them spoke. there wasn't a singlening with of them. to be able to keep chuck schumer and nancy pelosi away from a camera like that is something else. that's an accomplishment. so maybe it's different. we'll just have to see. >> molly, part of the skepticism is because of the power of the nra. what has been their reaction to what does seem to be an invigorated movement on the gun control side? >> the nra's strategy always is to just sort of wait these things out, and that's been very effective, because it's not that politicians fear they will pay a
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price if they do something. it's they've never paid a price for not doing anything. so the gun control activism, which i've followed for many years, can have a hopeless quality to it because they do keep sort of running at the target and falling short, particularly after sandy hook. two things i see changing with this particular movement. one, it's put this issue on the front burner within the democratic party. this is now something that democrats are running on very strongly. they've really taken ownership of this issue as a party with, of course, some exceptions a s maybe some of the red states. second of all, the way this aligns the gun issue specifically with the youth vote. if we see strong turnout in a midterm, which is unusual, i think democrats will see that this is an issue led by youth.
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>> you see, phil, some republicans, marco rubio sent out a message about the protesters, some movement there in florida, do you see anything in congress -- rachel, you said there were provisions in this bill to schools as well? >> it's kind of the art the doable. if you listened to the speakers yesterday, they had expansive ideas. the idea of banning guns of any kind right now is simply off the table. but talk about smaller items, like the stop violence act, the cdc research, that in large part i'm told was driven by the parents of those killed in parkland coming to capitol hill quietly and lobbying republican leaders. you have marco rubio talking about gun violence restraining order. so there are smaller things that could move right now and in large part that's been driven by the enthusiasm you've seen over the last couple weeks. you also had as you know on the
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state level, and that's where things can happen faster, but on a national level, a federal level, to everybody's point, there's skepticism that's merited. we'll see what happens next. >> we'll keep an eye on it. bolton in, mcmaster out. what it says about the inner workings of the white house and why they say there's nothing to see here. ♪ i'm alive, i'm alive ♪ ♪ i'm alive, i'm alive ♪ ♪ i'm alive, i'm alive ♪ ♪ this is what it sounds like ♪ ♪ whoa-oh-oh, i'm alive ♪ ♪ alive! gives you more vitamins and minerals than leading brands. ♪ i'm alive, i'm alive ♪ ♪ because when you start with more, you own the morning. alive! my healthy routine helps me feel my best. so i add activia yogurt to my day. with its billions of live and active probiotics,
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other shows and you have to generals and you have certain people -- >> is there somebody, a go-to for you, you know? every presidential candidate has a go-to. >> probably there are two or three. i like bolton. i think he's a tough cookie, knows what he's talking about. >> president trump liked john bolton because he played a hawkish national security expert on tv. now trump has cast bolton as his real national security adviser. bolton does bring a legitimate resume to the west wing. he's served in three administrations. the president's destoigs ficisie h.r. mcmaster and bring bolton in came suddenly. white house chief of staff john k kelly plotted to rule out several high-level departures at once, but the president discredited that plan.
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>> what i liken this environment to is a football team like the new england patriots where they win their division every year with a different set of players and the only thing that's common really is the coach and the quarterback. and here in the white house the coach and the quarterback are president donald j. trump. he's a great man. >> michael, of course the patriots lost in the super bowl this year. but i want you to talk about what this change from mcmaster to bolton says about trump's mind-set at this point. >> i think the decision to drop h.r. mcmaster was long time coming. he had clearly not meshed with mr. mcmaster, general mcmaster. but i think there were sort of two things that played into the selection of bolton -- style and substance. on substance, it is true that the president looks to be trying
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to bring people who are into his inner circle actually agree more with his points of view on foreign policy, becoming more aggressive. you saw him say he liked bolton because he's a tough cookie. he's been tired over the last 14 months of fighting internally with his advisers who have been trying to moderate him and sort of pull him back. and on style, it's all about television. it really is. he wants somebody who he can trust to put out there on television to say nice things about what he's doing, to argue for the president's policies in a way that he thinks, you know, is as good as he could do if he was on television, which he recognizes he can't do all the time. i think it's this meshing of both trying to sort soft surround himself again with essentially yes people and the v television. >> speaking of bolton being a tough cookie, some headlines from op-eds he's written in the
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last few months or so from t"th wall street journal", the legal case for striking north korea first and to stop iran's bomb, bomb iran. that's the hawkish part. he's also, according to some of our reporting, molly, said that he promised the president that he wouldn't start any wars. >> and we shall see, right? i mean, that would be an interesting promise to extract from someone you're bringing onto your team. one would think the president would be able to do that himself if he so wanted. but i do think that the substance question here is really interesting. what is this going to mean in terms of policy? does this mean that we get rid of the iran deal? does this mean aggressive military action which trump himself has seemed to want to favor demanding that plans be drawn up for military strikes against north korea? so, you know, bolton is sort of the embodiment of trump as most aggressive and trump likes the idea of using this military at
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his disposal. but at the same time, you know, the trump of steve bannon's imagination, the america first, was not entangling america in the worrell -- >> sounded very different publicly when he talked about war. here was bolton in terms of thinking about this role he'll play with this president. >> i've never been shy about what my views are, but frankly what i've said in private now is behind me, at least effective april the 9th. and the important thing is what the president says and what advice i give him. >> but he's still going to be advising the president and he presumably has the same type of views. >> presumably they're not changing in a 24-hour period. one interview he didn't even know he was going to be offered the job and all of a sudden was the national security adviser. congrats. i think one of the most kind of underplayed issues here that's
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really important is john bolton's competency within the bushgocracy. right? obviously he has his views. i'm going to paraphrase here. he was on the hill at one point and a democratic senator said what scares me the most about you is not that i think you're stupid or you don't understand what you're talk about or your views are ridiculous, it's how good you are at making sure those views can be implemented. what you've seen in the president's first 14 months in office is straining against the bureaucracy, running up against cabinet officials or deputies who have been able to kind of restrain his impulses, restrain what he wants to do. now you have somebody like john bolton who comes in as you said a legitimate resume, a very real understanding of how government work, a ton of experience on the government side of things weather a grasp of how to turn whatever the president wants on to the policy side of things from idea into action. i think that is one of the reasons why he's probably in the west wing and one of the more underappreciated elements of what he'll be doing in that job
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as we go forward in the months ahead. >> other questions about other folks in the white house because of some of the recent departures, here was steve bannon talking aboutsees in ter of staff position. >> general kelly at any time decides to leave the president, the president decides it's time for him to move on, i don't think there will be another chief of staff. i think there will be five or six direct reports like in trump tower. the president is a more hands-on manager and feels more comfortable with that. the structure general kelly put in was probably too much. >> too much. >> talking about republicans' on the hill worst nightmare. president trump totally unrestrained, no chief of staff. republicans didn't have a well-known relationship with general kelly going into him becoming chief of staff, but they have come to appreciate him, and they do see him as an ally in the west wing that they can go to when they need to get
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to the president fast such as the veto thing and getting him to sign that document. so no chief of staff -- republicans would have no allies on the hill. i think it's interesting, talking about no chief of staff at a time when not only mcmaster is out but also rex tillerson. gary cohn, another ally of hill republicans, has just left the white house because of the president slapping trade tariffs on different countries. >> we'll see next week maybe more departures. part of this idea was maybe ben carson, shulkin at va would go to. ah, stay tuned. up next, the interview that will test president trump's twitter restraint. stormy daniels tells her story. but first, politicians say the darnedest things while working out. time to pump some iron with notorious rbg. ♪ every dance now >> whooo!
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the president is scheduled to be back in washington tonight as an interview with stormy daniels is set to finally air. daniels claimed she had an extramarital affair with donald trump and her lawyer say a cover-up came after that affair. a source tells cnn that the president has been asking confidants how to handle the dilemma and they said to just stay quiet. so far he's followed that advice, but tonight's much-hyped interview will be a big test whether he can keep following that advice. daniels' lawyer has advice of his own for the white house claiming she has proof there was a relationship. >> that dvd contains evidence substantiating the relationship, and the tweet is a warning shot. i want to be really clear about this. it is a warning shot. and it's a warning shot to michael cohen and anyone else associated with president trump that they better be very, very careful after sunday night
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relating to what they say about my client and what spin or lies they attempt to tell the american people. >> now, daniels isn't the only woman talk about her past relationship with the president. former "playboy" model karen mcdougal is also sharing details about her alleged affair with trump even though she accepted a plea deal to keep it under wraps. she's suing to get out of that deal, and she isn't waiting for a court decision to open up. >> were you in love with him? >> i was, yeah. mm-hmm. >> and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was, yeah. >> did donald trump ever say to you that he loved you? >> all the time. he always told me he loved me. yeah. of course. >> did he have any nicknames for you? >> he would call me baby or he'd call me beautiful karen. >> so i said there was a plea deal. it wasn't a plea deal. just a deal she had to keep quiet about her story. she of course is talking about
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it now. what does this mean for the white house? where does it go? where does it end? how do you see it unfolding? >> if anybody had an answer to that, i think we'd all like to know. what's been amazing about this entire process is this has built weeks over weeks. washington journal stories about financial transactions that seemed odd building to this point. for a lot of us, it's been the 10th, 15th, 20th most important story. that's changing. the running joke is what major foreign policy initiative will the president announce tuonight but what will his response be. he's been very disciplined so far. the white house has not engaged at all for weeks. is that going to change? and most important, legally, is there going to come a point in time where he'll have to sit down and give a deposition, be on the record and under oath talking about those types of
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things? that probably is the most important end game. >> and michael avenatti, stormy daniels' lawyer, tweeting this morning this is not the end, this entire tonight, only the beginning. molly, some say these stories around the women could pose a bigger threat to the president than the mueller probe. >> there are legal issues, which phil said could lead to him being in a deposition under oath talking about these things and also the political issue. already women voters and candidates are the story of these midterm elections. we know that. record numbers of women running for office up and down the ballot, the activism that has already seemed to favor democrats in elections that have happen sod fed so far this year last year, and this constant drum beat of women speaking out about donald trump and his conduct toward women, that only fuels that fire, that only fuels
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the anger of so many liberal women specifically who have been roused to activism. i've spoken to so many who said i was a stay-at-home mom who voted for hillary and didn't do anything else. now they are in the streets, they are about victivists. >> add that kind of chaos around the women to the chaos around the mueller probe and the uncertainty there, you saw the president make moves this week or one of his lawyers make moves to move away from that legal team, john dowd. the president tweeting this morning about the shake-up on his legal team basically saying many lawyers and top law firms want to represent me in the russia case. don't believe the fake news narrative ha it's hard to find a lawyer who wants to take on this case. fame and fortune will never be turned down by a lawyer, though some are conflicted. problem is that a new lawyer or law firm will take months. he's thinking about this morning. this shake-up, what does it mean for you in terms of what their
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strategy is around this probe? >> i think the idea that a lawyer will never turn down fame and fortune may actually be the true thing there. i think what the shake-up of the legal team reflects is the president pushing back against what has literally been months, more than a year, of the strategy by the president's lawyers to say do not attack mueller directly. that has been their sort of line that they never wanted the president to cross because the idea was if we cooperate and just let this thing happen, that we won't antagonize mueller. he has clearly decided, the president has clearly decided, that he wants to change that strategy and so dowd's leaving was the first shoe to drop in the lawyer's roundtable realizing that don't have the ability to change and i think more of that is coming. >> we'll stay tuned to that. up next, our reporters will share what they're hearing from
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election in a deep red district? arizona's 8th district was open when a republican resigned due to a weird surrogacy scandal, and this is a district that trump won by 20 points. it should not be in play. the special election is april 24th. and the republicans did get their favorite candidate through the primary. they have now reported spending nearly $300,000 in this district sign signaling that they may be feeling the heat. the democrats didn't expect this to be competitive at all, but who knows? the other issue is having spent more than $10 million in the pennsylvania election, they are burning through kooscash, the republican party, in a year donors are not super excited. >> maybe a preview of what it will look like heading into november. phil. >> it doesn't mean personnel is done. that's why mitch mcconnell has a
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lot of big plans in the weeks and months ahead. it's all about judicial appointments. last year 12 circuit judges moved through, the most in recent history. he has 29 judicial confirmations already this year, three more district court judges queued up when they get back. the reality is mcconnell and i'm told the white house counsel are extremely close, have been working through this project for the last 14 months to really map out how to remake the courts. legislation might be done. judges, just starting. >> a big campaign issue, too, for republicans to be able to campaign on. rachel. >> in the coming weeks, president donald trump and republicans on the hill will be talking about a tax reform 2.0 to make individual cuts that they passed temporarily permanent. surprise, it's, again, a campaign ploy. democrats back in december when they were voting against these tax cuts said specifically we are opposing these because the individual rates are not made permanent but the corporate rates are. so right now republicans are under no -- you know, they don't think they'll actually pass
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this, but they want democrats to vote no on this so they can use it as a campaign strategy independence them. >> november every single day. i will close with a very early glimpse of 2020. in the next week or so, the south carolina democratic party is set to announce the keynote speaker for the annual dinner and convention later next month. i'm told this year there will be two keynote speakers. who will they be? the details aren't yet final. a few names have been floating around as possibilities. among the chattering classes in south carolina. they include california congressman adam schiff, new orleans mayor mitch lan true, and los angeles mayor eric garcetti, all of whom have recently spent time in the palmetpal palmetto state. i'm told bigger names like cory booker and joe biden are unlikely to fill the keynote slot but there was great interest particularly in senator harris. organizers want someone who can excite and rally the base in 2018 and those keynote speakers, whoever they end up being, will
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