final four saturday. the final one week from today. >> i would not be surprised if she cut down that net herself. she is something. >> she is a star. that will do it for us. >> "new day" starts right now. >> sitting on the edge of the bed. >> and you had sex with him? >> yeah. >> the president has denied the allegations. >> it suspect so much about the affair, it's the effort to cover it up. >> stormy is laughing all the way to the bank. >> i felt intimidated and honestly bullied. >> the president thinks the white house is operating like a smooth machine. >> he said he wasn't add to go his legal team. he said he wasn't shaking it up. then he shook it up. >> you have to have people on the president's agenda. >> this is not the end. this was just is the beginning. >> how about kids, instead of looking to someone else to solve their problems, do something about taking cpr classes.

>> stand with us or beware. the voters are coming. >> we can and we will change the world. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. here's our starting line. adult film star stormy daniels breaking her silence with her alleged affair with president trump. she told anderson cooper on "60 minutes" she was threatened in a las vegas parking lot in 2011 to keep quiet and and she felt pressured to deny their relationship. there are more reported flux in the white house. he is getting ready to fire david shulkin. and a close ally said he will

make other changes soon. the fox news contributor was going to be come on and be part of the team. a deep state is conspiracy theorist. he is not going to be part of trump's team. three day after dowd resigned. and powerful "march for our lives" rallies with students calling for tighter gun control saying enough is enough. for one former lawmaker facing backlash after how the students should handle school shootings. sara sidner? >> reporter: chris, we don't know if the president watched the "60 minutes" interview.

michael cohen is in the middle of this controversy. stephanie clifford, aka stormy daniels broke her silence to "60 minutes" about her alleged affair with donald trump and the aftermath. >> he's like, wow, you are special. you remind me of my daughter. >> trump told her that when they met for the first time in 2006. she said their only sexual encounter happened in his tahoe hotel room. >> he said have you seen my new magazine. i said does this normally work for you? i said somebody should take that and spank with you. he said you wouldn't. i said hand it over. i said turn around, drop them. >> you told donald trump to turn around and take off his pants.

>> yes. >> and did he? >> yes. >> the joking stopped and she said he and trump had sex for the first and only time in their relationship. the white house has denied the affair. >> do you want to have is sex with him? >> no. but i didn't say no. i'm not a victim. >> it was entirely consensual? >> oh, yes. yes. >> you work in an industry where condom use is an issue. did you use a condom? >> no. >> mellan that had just given birth to their son. >> he said don't worry. we have separate rooms and stuff. >> reporter: clifford talked to the sister company of in touch magazi magazine. she was offered $15,000 for the story but it was never published.

a few weeks after she did that interview, clifford says she was personally threatened in las vegas. >> i was in a parking lot going to a fitness class with my tpapbt daughter. and a guy walked up on me and said to me, leave trump alone. forget the story. and he leaned in and said that's a beautiful little girl. it would be a shame if something happened to her mother. >> reporter: he insisted cohen had nothing to do with any such person or incident and does not believe such a person exists or that such incident ever occurred. cohen brokered a confidentiality agreement with clifford days before the presidential election, paying her $130,000 to keep quiet. although clifford said she wanted to tell her story. >> was it hush money?

>> yes. the story was coming out again. i was concerned for my family and their safety. >> i think some people watching this are going to doubt that you entered into this negotiation because you feared for your safety. they are going to think you saw an opportunity. >> i think the fact that i even negotiate, i just quickly said yes to this very strict contract and what most people will agree with me extremely low number is all the proof i need. >> reporter: in 2018, she signed two letters unequivocally denying the affair. one to co help and the other to gina rodriguez saying i am not denying this money because of hush money. i am denying it because it never happened. she told cooper she was pressured by her attorney and manager, a claim her former

lawyer denies. >> you said i'm denying it because it never happened. that's a lie? >> yes. >> if it was untruthful, why did you sign it? >> because they made it sound like i had no choice. >> no one was putting a gun to your head? >> not physical violence no. the exact sentence was they can make your life hell in many different ways. >> they being? >> i'm not exactly sure who they were. i believed it to be michael cohen. >> reporter: now, ahead of the interview, michael avenatti, stormy daniels's attorney said there was information that was not in the story. he tweeted out saying there's many things on this cd here, a picture is worth a thousand words. but we still don't know what is

on that cd or dvd if that's what it is. >> all right. always the tease. let's bring in john avlon and laura coates. my concerns go largely to any legalism indications in terms of what this means in terms of a coverup. i would be remiss if i didn't talk about it. if we didn't talk about what you took from this and the potential exposure politically and legally. what did you see in terms of the impact? >> i think it is really about the money in greater detail, the intimidation, and the creep factor of a lot of the allegations that will dominate water cooler conversation. the detail about being spanked by his own magazine, that's weird not just unpresidential. you are very special. you remind me of my daughter. that's well outside anything reessential is belling normal.

the jeopardy that michael cohen. >> i didn't know we were immediately going to the weird. go weird or go home. >> got to get it out of the way. >> is let's show how often donald trump compares his sexual conquests to his daughter. this has come up now twice. let me play this. >> you know, he's very proud of ivanka. as he should be. she's a brilliant woman. she's beautiful. you know, that's his daughter, and he should be proud of her. he said i was like her. you're a smart girl. there wasn't a lot of comparing, but there was some. i heard a lot about her. >> he's like, wow you -- you are special. you remind me of my daughter. he's like you're smart and beautiful and way woman to be reckoned with. and i like you. i like you. >> now to psychologist laura

coates. >> i'm someone's daughter. this would not happen in most people's homes. it's a creep factor. it is one that makes you want to take a shower. but it is so consistent. that's what gives it credibility. remember, she was interviewed karen mcdougal. she didn't say i'm going to say the same thing to contrast my claims here. two separate women who around the time allegedly met with him at the golf resort and said about the same thing. that makes you think there are other credibilities in other areas. >> at the end of the day, all of this is water cooler talk. it has never been an area of concern because there are such bigger things to worry about. but here's the jam he's in now. if there can be established a pattern of tactics that trump used to keep people quiet even though it would wind up

contradicting my own point. you're allowed to pay people to talk about things that are noncriminal in nature. does he have a way of doing things when it comes to women in his life could have longer legs. >> it could have longer legs. it will have longer legs. the payoff was within days of the election. >> if you hang your hat on that, i think you have facts whether it is an fec violation. if he said i didn't mean it as a contribution and you have to show otherwise -- >> i totally disagree with you. trevor potter spoke about this pretty eloquently last night. if this relationship occurred in '06, '07 -- >> they tried to do it with john edwards and lost that case. >> days before the presidential election, michael cohen decides there is an urgency to pay off

the porn star, that's not an accident. >> if that's when the matter came up to him. this is the benefit of the reckoning of the facts. tell me if i'm missing something. if somebody calls and says i want comment. or that's when it was made known to him to have to act or not act. that he wants the timing. >> luckily, we have a former federal prosecutor on set. thank goodness. what do you think the legal ramifications are here? >> it's a much stronger case, honestly, in terms of a violation for michael cohen and donald trump than john edwards. there was an attenuated statement before he became the dnc nominee and then the president of the united states. this is 11 days before. what you had in the tease is the attorney for daniels is saying, listen, it was intended to be a campaign contribution to silence us to have a benefit for the campaign. that never flushed out last night in the interview.

no one mentioned it. it hasn't backed up. hasn't backed up since. >> he wasn't the lawyer at the time. avenatti is new. the attorney said i can't talk about this unless she waives privilege but this is not my reckoning of how it happened. >> it was all about intent. if you have a violation given the john edwards scandal that came with the jury saying we're going to acquit on that and have a hung jury and everything else, you have to back it up. maybe they are holding it for the lawsuit. >> that would just be a fine anyway. the threat in the parking lot and what row anyone farrow was was getting it. >> it is the specificity of things people are supposed to hand over, recordings, texts. that is what avenatti is playing off of. it seems boiler plate. >> he is suggesting they have

those things. >> yes, he is. >> which they didn't comply with their own deal. >> it would imply that. this is where i think some trump defenders may have a point. we found out last night this was only one time they were together, even though there was a larger courtship about joining celebrity apprentice. if he is indeed sharing images in the context of a one-time deal, that is indicates a larger pattern, larger problem. in the alleged eight-month relationship with the "playboy" playmate, that may create more of a content for this. >> legally speaking, what are the problems? >> the nda, that whole idea that not being signed is ridiculous. you took the money. you acted for 18 months as if it was existed. >> she has to comply with it even though he didn't sign?

you can argue it wasn't between trump and her. it was between essential consultings and her and he was a third-party beneficiary. >> the biggest flaw in the nda is liquidated damages, $1 million per breach. they can't calculate if he were to lose a presidential election. let's say it is a million dollars. the court would say, that might be right. ask clinton what happened when comey spoke. but you cannot then saw a million per breach. that is penalty. $20 million when the news is out there. there is no value lost. >> what i'm hearing you saying is she is in more legal jeopardy than donald trump. >> she is. it was not the thing that the nda said you couldn't talk about. that's part of it. but the biggest disclosure is if

the cd, michael avenatti said she kept something is that she was supposed to hand over, that is a violation. it's a much bigger issue for here than it was outside the violations. >> thank you very much. >> next on "new day" we will speak with michael gnatty. he has been hyping this for weeks. what does he think delivered this week? >> silence from president trump before and after the storm daniels interview. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job

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are you going to watch "60 minutes"? what about david shulkin? does he still have your confidence? >> he can't be liking that. he likes to respond, as we all know. president trump was ignoring the reporters's questions about whether he would watch the "60 minutes" interview with stormy daniels. while we do not know if the president watched, the president has been complaining about what he believes is the wall-to-wall coverage about these allegations and is asking advisers about how he should handle responding to these accusations.

back with us is john avlon and karoun demirjian. here is what chris ruddy said about how president trump is feeling about these stormy daniels allegations. >> well, i can't tell you everything he's thinking. i can only tell you what he has told me. he thought much of the stormy daniels's stuff is a political hoax. again, those were his words? >> karoun, your thoughts on this? >> it's interesting we haven't seen him come out directly and call stormy daniels a liar. we are seeing it through friends like this. the president has been disciplined about not react to go that enter is view last night and when other parts of the story have come out. so he seems to be at least listening to his advisers on this when it comes to other

things that have happened during his presidency that affect him. that suggests there is a reason he is keeping quiet. this is all being dragged into courts again and who is at more fault. as trump gets more involved and in saying she's not telling the truth, maybe stormy daniels would say there is potential defamation to bring up. she is saying publicly she is telling the truth. he is listening to advisers apparently. i'm sure they are telling him to keep his own counsel. >> politically this is very unusual. he has been counseled plenty not to say things about certain people and he does anyway, even when there is potential legal exposure where he was not on as solid footing as he is with stormy daniels. what's going on here? >> we forget this has a deep personal impact that goes to home. there's mellan melania, the fir.

>> much more aggressive with the women who came out during the campaign. the timing there might have been a little bit sensitive. he was very aggressive. not now. >> they sure do. but you have two women coming forward with really specific allegations. and that hits close to home. he license to lawrence. he has done that in the past with real dollar payday stakes. but i think this is also about the p the home. >> listen to this. >> i felt intimidated and honestly bullied. and i didn't know what to do. and so i signed it. >> also a relevant aspect. >> basically the "playboy"

playmate said they made reference to his wife in passing, yeah, yeah, don't worry about that. we have separate rooms is how he he depicted his marriage. but what i want to ask you about, all of this stuff politically speak, in terms of the damage, this isn't as bad as the "access hollywood" tape. these are consensual affairs. so politically speaking, what's the fallout? >> it depends. so the "access hollywood" tape shocked people before the election. it didn't cost him the presidency. these stories are kind of hanging on for much longer. there are questions about whether there are violations regarding the stormy daniels one. the more these stories hang around, the more they are kind of pittsburghed apart. the details seem to be coming out, drip, drip, drip. the more they stay on the headlines and on the front of

television screens can affect the president and raise the uncomfortableness for the story line for many, especially of the women who supported him. when you keep having them come out. when it is not the whole story, that is an awkward position for the president to be in. >> i think there are two things. first of all, this is a scandal that will capture attention on places that other attention, even russian, may not resonate. second factor, not only is the 52% of the white women vote but the 83% of evangelicals he won. which is higher than george w. bush won. this compounds it. it makes it more difficult what bill clinton did was awe sin. what donald trump did is all right. >> you can forgive a sign.

if you have the wrong position on abortion, they're going to have a problem with you. he is checking the right boxes in terms of policy. look, we all know his character was baked in when people voted for him or didn't. i don't think that's the risk here. i think the risk is, one, potential perjury traps. i don't trick you into lying. you either want to tell the truth or not. that's what got clinton. that is a real problem going forward. we'll see how he handles it. >> thank you. it's a new week, and there is even more chaos at the white house. the latest cabinet member who may be shown the door. big hint, your screen. i was out here smoking instead of being there for my son's winning shot.

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be the next one out the door. and there is more drama surrounding president trump's legal team at a critical juncture in the negotiations with robert mueller. kaitlan collins joins us. >> reporter: it seems that david shulkin is the next one on the chopping block. he has fallen out of his good graces and has been on the verge of leaving in the last several years. he has had a little trouble finding someone to replace him. >> he did say he is expect to go make one or two major changes to his government very soon. >> reporter: the turnover in the trump administration appears likely to continue with a source telling cnn that the president is preparing to oust veterans

affairs david shulkin this week, although no decision is final. >> the president is perplexed by there is mass staff changes. he thinks the white house is operating like a smooth machine. >> reporter: shulkin has been at odds for senior management now, accusing trump political appointees working to get him fired. he has been on thin ice since a damning inspector general report detailing how shulkin and his wife used taxpayer dollars for a european trip. he ignored questions sunday night. the president's legal team undergoing changes of a potential interview between investigators and mr. trump.

less than one week since announcing joe digenova was coming on board, he changes course. saying both have conflicts that prevent them from joining the team. the development coming three days after the president's lead attorney john dowd resigned, leaving sekulow as the only person attorney dealing with mueller. and also coming hours after he pushed back on reports that he is having difficulty finding attorneys with experience, saying most want to represent him because of the fame but it would take months for them to get up to speed. at least four were approached to join but they have turned the offer down for various reasons, including that trump doesn't listen to his legal counsel. ruddy did say the president told

him there are two people whose jobs are safe for now, that is hud secretary ben carson and chief of staff john kelly, both rumored to leave as well. we will wait to see what happens today. there are no public events on the president's schedule. one thing to look out for is whether they will expel russian diplomats after the poisoning of the russian spy in britain. >> is the white house under control or in a state of fluxy chaos? next.

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the president told me he's perplexed by all of these reports there's chaos at the white house or mass staff changes. he told me he thinks the white house is operating like a smooth machine, his words. he did say that he's expecting to make one or two major changes to his government very soon. and that's going to be it. >> it's all about perspective,

right? president trump's friend chris ruddy saying the president is likely not done making changes to his administration. the president indicated to associates this weekend that veterans affairs secretary david shulkin is next to go. let's bring in cnn political commentator and host of cnn's smerconish, michael smerconish, and karoun demirjian. he is already winged in terms of political perspective. he's an obama holdover. he was rated pretty welby the veterans. but if somebody has to go, you can certainly see his vulnerability in light of the controversy. >> chris ruddy doesn't speak out of turn. he has been given permission to do so by the president. for all the talk about the president being oeuftd with the line "you're fired," look at the experience. tillerson was out of country.

comey, as i recall, was in los angeles when the manila envelope was delivered. the president resists having to show people the door. this is the waugh in which he gets it done. the only question in my mind is whether he's gone by 4:00 p.m. today or by friday. i think that is dependent on the fallout from stormy daniels. >> why? >> because i think it's a huge issue today for the president. if the conversation doesn't abet on over this whole subject from last night, he will be that much more to change up the news cycle and get rid of this guy today. >> karoun, the president may new it is running like a smooth machine, but here's the graphics of all the staff turnover and departures. these are the recent ones, february, march. here they are from the beginning. you can go from michael flynn all the way through h.r.

mcmaster. my point is the president thinks these aren't a lot. if you use history as a benchmark, it is much more than any other president had at this same point in his administration in history. >> yeah. i mean, look, of course the line from the white house and the president is going to be like, oh, this is normal, nothing to see here. but it is incredibly chaotic. you don't usually have this much a deluge all at once. the president keeps hinting may be thinking of threat epping to get rid of other people. shulkin. carson has exposure with the dining room table. zinke had certain trips called into question. jeff sessions, rod rosenstein. there could be several others at any point. that is what contributes to this feel of in stability in and around the white house.

yes, it's the people already gone but the people still there also and not sure whether they will have a job tomorrow. look at the last few days. are people in, are people out? it's like the decisions made are not consistent for a week at a time. >> michael, go back to a point you were making in how it plays into the calculus by distraction or by the merits. we talked about this before on your show and elsewhere. i don't think you will get a lot of political fallout in terms of having affairs. i think that was baked in of a character analysis by people who voted for him. we know what took down bill clinton. that was being asked something under oath that had to do with his personal life. that is the potential exposure. >> i think karen mcdougal's interview with anderson took some of the edge off from the

stormy daniels interviewed last night. of course i watched last night. i felt like i knew everything that was revealed last night, with with the exception of the bit about the intimidation. but a point alisyn made in the last segment is most significant. this is consensual sex among two individuals. he was not president of the united states. he may have a problem at home. he may distract the news cycle so melania has something else to watch today. >> but i think it is a nonstarter. >> we heard joe digenova was joining the legal team. then no, he is not. there was a hiccup. so what's going on? >> there's a few problems swirling around and bumping into each other. one is it is difficult for the president to be able to attract the top legal talent. a lot of people don't want to touch this with a ten-foot pole. it seems the white house isn't

fully doing -- or at least trump's circle is not doing full due diligence to make sure these people are open to actually joining his squad, that they don't have conflicts of interest. that happened with digenova and why we saw, yes, they are on the team, no, they are not on the team. there is a thinning of the ranks right now. it could be difficult. sekulow is still there. one line of advice he's getting is how to deal with this interview. but you don't want to go up against mueller's team without having a strong team around you that is advising you on how to deal with any of the myriad of things mueller could bring up in that interview. it is thin ranks in the chapter that the president is looking at. >> he's pretty lawyered up. he has sekulow, cohen.

>> and how he deals with the various lawyers involved for the white house. and there are members of his own campaign team, his own white house team that are now no longer in that orbit. so what are they saying? this has been a domino situation the whole time. he is moving closer now to the white house. so we will see what it ends up being presented to the president. >> karoun demirjian, michael smerconish, thank you very much. a closer look at the woubg of these national marchs and what comes next.

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>> since the time that i came out here, it has been 6:20. the shooter has ceased shooting and will soon abandon his rifle, blend in with the students as

they escape and walk free for an hour before arrest. fight for your lives before it's someone else's job. >> students and survivors of the massacre at marjory stoneman douglas high school demanding changes to gun laws during the "march for our lives" protests. what did they accomplish and now what? we have michael smerconish. i was down there, reporting on it. obviously there were so many powerful testimonials from the podium there. they got much of the country's attention. what do you think happens now? >> i always thought that the nra and its supporters had cornered the market on passion. that in the grand scheme of things, more americans might be supportive of forms of gun control measures but they lack the passion that you saw in the nra membership. that might be the change that is now under way as a result of these millennials and i -geners.

it will play into suburban swing areas, places i live like philadelphia. and it remains to be seen how much the democrats are prepared to campaign on this issue. >> he that's the key. the intensity gap, without question, you have seen it narrowing. we have never seen it around gun control right now, motivated out of the worst of circumstances. but it's there. but that's not what leads to policy change. it is an element. the nra doesn't beat you with money. it beats you in organizing and at the polls. do you think the democrats will galvanize around this issue, even though the midterms are so far away in terms of things that could happen between now you and then and that people will do what they have never done before, michael. they will go to the polls and say i don't know what else is on the agenda today, but i am voting for or against this man or woman based on what they did or didn't do on gun controls.

>> if the elections were held next week, chris, the answer would be yes. but it is an eternity. as the three of us know so well, look at the news cycle and the pace of change. there is no way anticipating where we will be and what the issues will be first and foremost at the time of the midterm election. the whole mueller probe you would think by then will have reached some sort of culminat n culmination. >> a lot of things that seemed to denigrate the kids's passion or motivations. as you know, it has been implied they are pawns of some sort of invisible hand. rick santorum, who is former pennsylvania senator and one of our cnn analysts, he was saying something pretty provocative about what he thinks the kids should be doing instead of marching. so listen to this. >> how about kids, instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about taking cpr classes or try

to deal with situations -- >> i would ask you, they took action. >> yeah, they took action to ask someone to pass a law. they didn't take action as how do i as an individual deal with this problem. how do i stop bullying within my own community. how do i respond to a shooter. those are the kinds of things where you can take it internally and say here's how i'm going to deal with this, here's how i'm going to deal with the situation. >> michael, what do you think of those comments? >> i must be missing something. rick is a nice guy. having said that, they are the completely nonsensical. it is the exact opposite to what he just described. should there be any significant change of gun policy in this country it will be solely because of those kids standing up and doing things that their parents were unable or refused to do. i just don't understand it.

and the bit about cpr is so defeatist. i interpreted that as if bad things are going to happen and you can't change it so, try to save lives of people who are going to get shot. that's the only conclusion i can come to after listening to that tape three or four times over. >> he is motivated by two things. one, he is on this family values track. he said one reason these shootings happen is because we have too many one-point families. he is coming from animosity against these kids. be honest. michael, it's not just they are bona fides. they lost their friends. it's the worst moment of their lives and they decided to do something about it. but there are people who don't like that they are doing this and it comes from a place of negativity. >> but to say there is a matter of personal responsibility on the part of the kids who yesterday were the activists, how much more responsibility

could they be taking than what they're doing. no, i just don't see it. i only wish i could say it with him here so i'm not cheap-shooting him. >> what other policy changes have we seen where people did it on their own accord, without promulgating any legislation. i'd like to know. >> by the way, one more thing, policy has already changed. the kids have is grabbed lawmakers by the lapel and shook them. things have happened in florida. it may not be as much as they're calling for, but things are already changing and it is purely because of the kids. we have used all of your time. thank you so much for being here with your perspective. all right. so big night last night in college basketball. we now know who are in the final four. cinderella, still on the dance.

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all right. all of this has been such a good one. we can't belive how much parody there's been. only one bracket coming into this. now we know who is in the final four. cinderella lurking among three powerhouses. coy wire has more. you love what sister said what she give up for lent. >> i did see that. losing. 98 years old and is sharp as a tack, chris. last night you had two basketball blue bloods. kansas made it to the elite eight the last two seasons and lost both times. two seniors stepped up to the

late to get things done. check out this pass. incredible one from devonte graham. a three to tie the game. duke's grayson allen, time stood still. the shot bouncing around the rim for the chance to win but it falls out. it goes into overtime. malik newman rose to the occasion. he scored all 13 points in overtime. they go to the final four. it's in san antonio. that is where they won the last national title ten years ago. it is all set next saturday for the final four. kansas taking on villanova. and sister g gave up losing for lent. everything she t