facing accusations against women. >> look at her, look at her words, you tell me what you think? i don't think so. >> reporter: if the president insists on keeping a stormy silence, he has to hope that 60 minutes doesn't become 60 days. jeanne moos cnn, new york. >> anderson starts now. tonight breaking news anybody the stormy daniels' story. we will show you my full 60 minutes conversation with her tonight. her attorney joins us as well. so does michael cohn's lawyer. new actions against russia in the near poise attack. the u.s. joining other countries

as the biggest expulsion of the russians. the u.s. expelled 60. more from jim acosta who joins us from the white house. >> reporter: 60 russian diplomats being dispelled. a consulate in seattle is being shut down. it is interesting to note that the president did not tweet on this. the statement on this was issued by the white house press secretary sarah sanders. the president has been intimately involved in formulating this policy that has been unveiled today. and that is despite the fact that be the president did not mention the poisoning of this

ex-russian spy. the white house spokesman raj shah was pressed on his briefing. >> for those critical on this president for not pushing back against russia, this is something the white house points to as a strong action. >> they are. and at this point, i asked raj shah earlier today whether or not it is possible that the president, this administration might go after vladimir putin which is what a lot of experts would like to see this administration do. and here is how he handled the question. >> if you listen to diplomatic experts on what happened with russia, they will say you have to hit russia where it hurts. go after putin's cronies and after putin himself. would this president consider

sanctioning vladimir putin and cronies. >> the united states has issued sanctions on key russian ool oligarchs. the president doesn't telegraph his moves. >> reporter: that was a tantalizing prospect that he would not close the door in sanctioning putin. that is something that we have to keep our eyes on moving forward. and one thing that we will not let slide is saying this administration has sanctioned key russian aloligarchs. they were aimed at cyber meddling. not the key oligarchs who keep putin in power.

not his cronies which was even something john mccain calling for earlier today. >> the white house also weighed in on the stormy daniels' story. saying quote the president doesn't believe any claims she has made are accurate. asked numerous times. he ignored the questions. there has been silence from the president himself on the subject of stormy daniels there is no legal action with her attorney filing new defamation claims. first though, the interview and the issues it raises. a week and a half before the 2016 election michael cohn paid stormy daniels to keep quiet. with potential and legal

implications for the president. mr. trump has once again denied having an affair and his lawyers are threatening her with financial ruin. it didn't stop her from coming on 60 minutes. here is the interview it seemed everybody was talking about today. you could be fined a million dollars. aren't you take a big risk? >> i am. >> i guess i am not 100% sure why you are doing this. >> it is important for me to be able to defend myself. >> is part of talking wanting to set the record straight? >> 100%. >> why does the record need to be set straight. >> people are saying whatever they want saying about me. i am not okay with being made out to be a liar or people thinking i did this for money. and people are like, oh, you are

an opportunist, taking advantage of this. yes, i am getting more job offers. but tell me one person who would turn it down. oh, stormy daniels come ou out, #metoo. i am not a victim. trying to use me to further someone else's agenda does horrible damage to people that are real victims. >> she has been acting and directing and writing adult films for nearly 20 years. one of the most popular actresses in the adult industry when she was introduced to mr. trump in 2006. >> how was the conversation? >> it started off all about him,

just talking about himself and he is like, have you seen my new magazine. >> he was showing you his own picture. >> and i said does this normally work for you? and he was taken aback. someone should take that magazine and spank you with it and i will never forget the look on his face. >> what was the look? >> just, i don't think anyone has ever spoken to him like that. especially a young woman who looked like me. and i said, give me that. and he said you wouldn't. hand it over. so he did. and he was like turn around, drop them. >> you told donald trump to turn around and take off his pants. >> and did he? >> yes. >> he had under wear on and i gave him a couple of swats. >> this was done in a joking manner? >> yes.

from that moment on he was a completely different person. and he quit talking about himself and he asked me things and it became more appropriate. and he said you are special. you remind me of my daughter. you are smart, beautiful and a woman to be reckoned with. and i like you. >> at this point, was he doing the apprentice? >> yes. and he goes, got an idea, honey bunch. would you consider going on and being a contestant. and i laughed. nbc is never going to let an adult film star be on. he goes no, no, that's why i want you. >> did you think he was serious or dangling that to get you to want to be involved with him. >> both. >> did he mention his wife or child at all in this? >> i asked and he brushed it

aside and said yeah, yeah, don't worry about that. we have separate rooms and stuff. >> did you do go out for dinner that night? >> no. >> you had dinner in the room? >> yes. >> what happened next? >> i asked him if i could use his res restroom. i excused myself and i went to the restroom. i was in there for a little bit and i came out and he was sitting on the edge of the bed when i walked out perched. >> and when you saw that, what went through your mind? >> i realized exactly what i had gotten myself into. and i was like, here we go. and i just felt like maybe it was sort of, i had it coming for making a bad decision for going to someone's room alone. and i heard the voice, you put yourself in a bad decision and bad things happen and you

deserve this. >> and you had sex with him? >> yes. >> did you want to have sex with him? >> no. but i didn't say no. i am not a victim. >> it was entirely consensual. >> yes. >> you work in an industry where condom use was an issue. did he use a condom? >> no. >> after you had sex, what happened? >> he said it was great. that i really surprised him. a lot of people must under estimate me. and he hoped that i would be willing to see him again and discuss the things that we had talked about earlier in the evening. >> daniels said she and mr. trump stayed in trump. he invited her to a launch party as well as his apartment. >> he definitely wanted to see you. >> yes. and this was not a secret.

he called several times when i was in front of people. and i would be like, oh my god, he is calling. and people were like, the donald? it is going to be spectacular, and they are totally into the idea. >> did you get the sense that he was dangling it in front of you. >> oh yes, for sure. of course. i am not blind. but at the same time, maybe it would work out, you know. >> did you view it as this is a potential opportunity. i am going to see where it goes. >> i thought of it as a business deal. >> a year after they met, daniels said mr. trump asked her to meet privately to discuss a development regarding a possible appearance on celebrity apprentice. >> i remember arriving and he

was watching shark week. >> it wasn't a business meeting, it was just watching shark week. >> did you have sex with him again? >> no. >> did he want to? >> yes. >> how do you know he wanted to? >> he sat next to me. and touched my hair and referenced how great it was the last time. >> how did you get out of it? >> i had been there for four hours. and i said can we talk about the development? he said i am almost there. >> according to daniels mr. trump called her the following month to say he had not been able to get her a spot on celebrity apprentice and said they had never met again. in may 2011, daniels agreed to tell her story.

two former employers tell us the story never ran because after the magazine called mr. trump seeking comment, trump's attorney threatened to sue. >> i was in a parking lot going to a fitness class with my infant daughter. the seat was facing backwards in the back seat, and diaper bag and a guy walked up to me and said leave trump alone, forget the story. and he said beautiful little girl if something happened to her mom and he was gone. >> you took it as a direct threat. >> exactly. i was rattled. i was afraid i was going to drop her. >> did you see the person again? >> no. but if i did, i would know it right away. >> you would be able to

recognize that person? >> 100%. >> did you go to the police? >> no. >> why? >> because i was scared. >> when a gossip website reported that she had an affair with mr. trump, stormy daniels publicly denied it. five years later, donald trump won the nomination. >> people are reaching out to me offering me money. large amount of money. i think >> the deal was an offer not to tell her story. it came from mr. trump's attorney michael cohn in return for signing this nondisclosure agreement, cohn would pay her $130,000. daniels said the agreement was appealing because it meant she

would be receiving money but not have to worry about the effect the revelation of the affair would have on her child. she signed the agreement 11 days before the election. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. the story was coming out again. i was concerned for my family and their safety. >> i think some people watching this are going to doubt that you entered into this negotiation because you feared for your safety. they are going to think that you saw an opportunity. >> i think the fact that i didn't even nergotiate that i quickly said yes to this strict contract and most people would agree with me, extremely low number is all the proof i need. >> you feel you could have been paid a lot of money to go public. >> without a shadow of a doubt

in my heart, and some people argue that i don't have one of those, but whatever. i turned down a large payday multiple times because i didn't want to kiss and tell and be labelled all of the things that i am being labeled now. i didn't want to take away from the legit and legal career that i had established. and i didn't want my family and my child exposed to what she is being exposed to right now. >> 15 months after she signed the nondisclosure agreement, the wall street journal had this

story. sign statements that michael cohn released publicly, denying that she had an affair with mr. trump. >> you signed and released a statement that said i am not denying this affair never happened. >> why did you sign it? >> because they made it sound like i had no choice. >> no one was putting a gun to your head. >> not physically violence. >> you thought there would be legal repercussion. >> the exact statement used was they can make your life hell in many different ways. >> they being? >> i am not exactly sure who they were. i believe it to be michael cohn. >> coming up, we will dig deeper and political implications next. later her attorney and michael cohn's attorney join us and talk about the interview.

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finance laws. michael cohn said he used his own money to pay stormy daniels. trevor potter told us he doesn't agree. >> the payment of the money creates an enormous legal mess for trump, cohn, and anyone else who was involved in this in the campaign. >> are you saying that can be seen as a contribution to benefit a campaign. >> i am. $130,000 inkind contribution to the trump campaign which is about 126,500 above what he is allowed to give and if he does this on behalf of his client, the candidate, that is a coordinated illegal in kind contribution by cohn for the purpose of influencing the

election. benefitting the candidate by keeping this secret. >> the payment stormy daniels received is the subject of complaints by watchdog groups which trevor potter used to be chairman of. he is now president of the campaign legal center. >> if the president paid michael cohn back is that an in kind contribution the president should have reported. >> it doesn't remove the fact that the initial payment violates. it mitigates it if he is paid back by the candidate. >> what if the president never reimbursed the president. >> he is still out on the line. >> you are saying this is more serious for michael cohn if the president did not pay him back?

>> that is correct. >> we wanted to speak to michael cohn about this. he did not respond to our calls and written requests. and said neither the trump organization nor the trump campaign reimbursed me for the payment. cohn told "vanity fair" magazine is what i did defensively for my personal client and my friend is what attorneys do for their clients. i would have done it in 2006. i would have done it in 200011. >> michael avenatti is stormy daniels' attorney. he is suing the president in a california court seeking to have

stormy daniels' nondisclosure order invalid. michael cohn has said this has nothing to do with the election. he would have made this agreement months before. >> so why didn't he? it slipped his mind? he thought to himself, you know i have been thinking about this for years, perhaps now is a good time. >> he has found documents that shows michael cohn used his trump organization e-mail address in setting up the payments. also found that her agreement was f was fedexed to cohn. >> the cover letter also

identifies who he thought michael cohn was working for. >> to mr. cohn as executive vice president to donald j. trump. listing the fifth avenue address. this idea that there is a separation between mr. cohn and the trump organization is nonsense. >> there are people who argue this is much to do about nothing. >> this is about the cover up. this is about the extent that mr. cohn and the president have gone to intimidate this woman. to silence her, to threaten her and to put her under their thumb. it is thuggish behavior from people in power. and it has no place in american democracy. >> avenatti points to this recent court filing in which the

president's lawyers claims daniels is already liable for damages in excess of $20 million for unspecified violations of her nondisclosure agreement. michael cohn says when he wins damages from stormy daniels i might even take an extended vacation on her dime. >> you threaten someone with a $20 million lawsuit, it is a thuggish tactic. no different than what happened in the parking lot in las vegas. >> people make threats in lawsuits all the time. >> people don't threaten people with $20 million lawsuits that they are going to take their home and take an extended vacation on the money they receive. people don't conduct themselves like this and they shouldn't. >> isn't she welching on a deal? >> she is not welching on a deal

because there never was a deal. >> she still took the money. >> mr. trump never signed the agreement. he was obligated to sign in order for it to spring into effect. >> that is not true says michael cohn. what was also required under the nondisclosure agreement was for stormy daniels to turn over all videos text messages. did you do that? her answer to that question in just a moment and also what she wanted to say to the president if he is watching. feel the clarity of

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more now with my interviews with stormy daniels. there has been plenty of speculation if she has anything considered evidence of the relationship. she was supposed to turn over video images, text messages anything she had regarding mr. trump. >> did you do that? >> i can't answer that right now. >> you don't want to say one way

or another if you have text messages or other items. >> my attorney has recommended that i don't discuss those things. >> you seem to be saying she has some sort of text message or video or photographs or you could be bluffing. >> you should ask some of the other people in my career when they bet on my bluffing. >> you did operative research for other people and some people will look at that and say you are politically motivated. >> i haven't done anything in politics for over 20 years. >> hthis is not the usual case you put on. >> my client is credible. >> trevor potter says the agency's investigations often take a long time and result only in monetary penalties. but there is another scenario

that could present a problem for the president. special counsel mueller's inquiry. the special counsel has examined episodes involving michael cohn. when mr. trump was seeking the republican nomination. >> anyway that special counsel robert mueller could investigate the stormy daniels payment? >> that is the wild card. >> as a prosecutor you want to get leverage over something that you could use to get other information. >> correct. >> that is what special counsel robert mueller appears to be doing with paul manafort. >> paul manafort has been charged with crimes that doesn't have anything to do with rucssi in some cases. >> it preceded the came papaign.

looking at what manafort has done in other context is relevant to the investigation and i think you can say exactly the same thing about cohn. he was involved indisputably with trump organization activities with russia and negotiations with the russians. mr. cohn is in the middle of a place of great interest to the special counsel. >> is there recent precedent for prosecuting somebody for campaign contributions. >> as it so happens, there is. >> former senator john edwards was prosecuted but never convicted. >> i think the edward's case is not as strong as the facts we

had so far in the trump case. >> why do you think the potential case between cohn or trump is a stronger case than the edward's case? >> the timing of it. it is right in the middle of the run up of election day. in fact it was what everybody was focused on. >> white house press secretary sarah sanders did not respond to our comment from the president. we did receive a letter. it says in part my involvement with donald trump was limited to a few public appearances and nothing more. >> if stormy daniels denied the affair in 2011 which you say is a lie. denied it in late january of

2018, doesn't that hurt her credibility? >> it calls into question her credibility. i think there is no question that when the american people take all of the facts and evidence into consideration that they are going to conclude that this woman is telling the truth. to the extent that mr. cohn and the president have an alternative version of the facts, let them come forward and state it unekwifcalably. >> if the president of the united states fixer made it clear to me, either directly or indirectly that i needed to sign it and i was in the position of stormy daniels, i might sign those statements. >> i felt intimidated and honest li bullied and i didn't know what to do so i signed it. even though i had repeatedly

expressed that i wouldn't break the agreement but not comfortable lying. >> how do we know you are telling the truth? >> i have no reason to lie. i am opening myself up for possible danger and definitely a whole lot of [ bleep ]. >> you know, there is a potential upside. maybe somebody will want you to write a book. >> that is a lot of if's. i could also get shunned. i mean i could automatically be alienating half of my fan base at this moment. >> jenna jamison said about you, the left looks at her as a whore. she should have kept her trapped shut. >> i think she has a lot of wisdom in those words. >> he knows i am telling the

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as we mentioned at the top of the broadcast, the president has yet to weigh in himself. there is new report on the president's private reaction. the post also reports he has told several people that stormy daniels is not the type of woman he would find attractive. the president did in fact watch the interviews last night. according to one individual the post spoke to, he should note that not everything she told me made it into the broadcast. here is more. >> i was asked a few times to make adult movie parodies. they make a lot of traction. they wanted me to make a movie.

>> a movie of you having sex with somebody who looked like donald trump. >> and i said no repeatedly. >> why? >> because it was not how i wanted to be portrayed. even though i could have capitalized it and made money on it, i never did. >> it is hard for me to judge how viewers are going to interpret her from this interview. we tried to paint as clear a picture and as clear of a picture as we can. she claimed she didn't make the america horny again. that is playing off your current notoriety. >> yes. but i haven't used that slogan. the clubs are putting it on. and i haven't uttered it at all.

>> his private parts? >> i could if need be. >> stormy daniels on 60 minutes overtime. ms. daniel's attorney has filed a defamation lawsuit. thanks so much for being with us. first of all, okay, so this new development, you have amended the lawsuit to include michael cohn, previously it was the llc he set up. why amend it now and what is the accusation of defamation? >> well, what we have done is brought in michael cohn individually. previously it was the limited liability company that he set up. we have named michael cohn individually as it relates to what we allege are defamatory statements that he made.

namely, he made statements earlier this year whereby he said the affair never happened in not so many words and made my client out to be a liar. we are going to test the voracity of his statements. you played the interview of my client and we think that 90% of america if not more found her very, very credible. and michael cohn has a lot of explaining to do relating to his statements. >> as part of the amendment, you are asking for monetary damages. i thought you said this wasn't about money, this was about invalidating this nda. >> i think we are going to be able to show there has been monetary damages that she suffered by way of his defamatory statements. above all else, she wants her name clear. she doesn't appreciate the misstatements and half truths. she is going to prove that what

she said to you on 60 minutes was 100% accurate and she is credible. we are going to show that what she told and you the american people was the truth. and what michael cohn, the spin that he has been trying to sell to the american people is r rubbish. the fact that mr. trump knew nothing about this, it doesn't add up. american people are smarter than this. >> the idea that, i believe you have received an assist and desist order. she was threatened in 2011 in a parking lot in las vegas by somebody who came up to her and said something to the effect stop talking about mr. trump and looked at her infant daughter, beautiful little girl, it would be a shame if something happened

to her mother. are you accusing trump organization of having sent that person. >> not yet. only three groups of people that person would have been sent by. first is my chielient and that doesn't make sense. the second is the magazine. >> and then, according to the two employees of in touch magazine, that story never ran because mr. cohn threatened to sue. >> right, mr. cohn threatened the magazine to shut down the story to protect mr. trump and around that same time, this goon shows up. we know it is not my client that sent the goon. we know it is not the magazine that sent him. there is only one logical place left as to who would have sent

the goon. >> would you, i mean that sounds like you are laying this at the feet of somebody at the trump organization. >> not quite yet. but we are going to tighten that up. we are going to get to the bottom of this. when and if, if it leads to mr. cohn or mr. trump, we are going to call him out on it. >> stormy daniels said she could recognize this person even though it was many years ago. >> it stayed with her for a significant period of time. a traumatic experience. and we are confident that she can identify this individual. >> there is also, now, there is an e-mail, you sent a lot of e-mails, you have this other he want mails which is from michael cohn to keith davidson who was the former attorney for stormy

daniels. and i think you just released today, i think nbc had it and we are showing it, two things on that, one michael cohn, where he sign signed it, he is described as the >> well, anderson, we believe this to be a smoking gun e-mail for the following reasons. first of all, the date, february 22, 2018. it's approximately one month ago. it's an e-mail that michael cohen sent to my client's former attorney. and michael cohen inserted the subject as pp versus dd, nda. why is that important? first of all, your viewers already know that pp basically were the initials basically for the alias of my client, and dd are the initials for the alias for mr. trump. mr. cohen, in this document that he drafted listed the subject as

pp versus dd, meaning my client versus donald trump, nda. i'm confused. i thought what mr. cohen has told the american people and what mr. schwartz has told the american people for weeks now is that donald trump was never a party to the agreement. donald trump didn't know anything about the agreement. it was all mr. cohen or ec. why would mr. cohen then send an e-mail where he lists the subject as pp versus donald trump, nda? this is what happens when you can't keep your lies straight, anderson. this is the kind of conduct that happens. then we see how he signs the e-mail. he signs it with his signature block as personal counsel to the president of the united states. i thought -- i thought the president wasn't involved in this. i thought he was just doing this on his own in his spare time from his living room. again, this isn't even a good lie, and it's not even a good cover-up. i mean this is the keystone cops. >> so where does this go from here? i mean you now have amended this

complaint. what is the end game here? what do you want -- i mean do you want some sort of a settlement? do you want to make -- have a negotiation, make this go away? >> my client is not interested in a settlement. my client is interested in the truth and nothing but the truth, period. she wants all the facts to be laid out to the american people so that they can make their own judgment as to what happened. but, anderson, as it relates to all of these e-mails and all of this evidence that we're seeing, i mean this makes the watergate burglars look incredibly competent. that's how bad this is. i mean this is a joke. >> but, you know, the response -- and we'll talk to michael cohen, a friend and attorney in another matter for michael cohen in a second. but the people who are supporting michael cohen say, people use their work e-mail address all the time, and it doesn't necessarily mean it's coming from -- does that prove anything? >> i mean, anderson, i think we've addressed that in the past. the evidence is piling up to show that this was not done

personally. it was done by mr. cohen in his capacity at the trump organization, and here we have him drafting an e-mail where he describes the nda. this is mr. cohen describing the nda as being between my client and donald trump at the same time he's telling "the wall street journal" and the american public that donald trump isn't even a party to the agreement. it doesn't add up. we're going to get to the bottom of it. we're going to blow it out of the water. >> when we come back, more from michael avenatti, also we'll be joined by michael cohen's attorney, david schwartz, and our jeff toobin. we'll be right back.

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continuing our conversation with stormy daniels' attorney, michael avenatti. also joining us, jeffrey toobin as well as michael cohen's friend and attorney in another matter, david schwartz. what did you make of stormy daniels last night? >> i was completely

underwhelmed. all the trump haters were underwhelmed. what new did we learn? look, you're an iconic news person. that was not anything, you know, dramatic by any stretch of the imagination. she -- we heard that she had an affair with donald trump. according to her own story, there was only one time they had sex. they were sitting on a couch another time. she meets some guy in a parking lot, threatens her. he's been saying it was michael cohen this entire time. that's a complete lie. it's an utter fiction, and that in and of itself is defamatory, to say that that was michael cohen or someone sent by michael cohen. you know what the answer is? i know you're looking for the answer as to who sent that person. it's a figment of her imagination. that person doesn't exist. you know why? because when you're threatened with your daughter in a parking garage, what's the first thing that you think of? i got to go to my pilates class. that's the very first thing that i think of when someone comes up to me and threatens me with my

daughter. anyone who has a daughter knows you go right to the police. it's complete nonsense. >> she says she didn't go to the police because she was scared and she walked into the room and -- to the notion that he's saying it's defamatory? >> file a lawsuit. look, the majority -- >> you got the letter yesterday. >> wait a minute. last time you didn't let me talk. this time you are going to let me talk. >> i let you -- >> otherwise, we're going to have to get the defib rilator. >> please go for it. >> i almost brought it today. look, the american people saw last night something that they haven't seen from michael cohen. they actually saw my client answer questions by a world-renowned journalist who asked tough questions. she sat in an interview for two hours or there abouts, and she faces the tough questions and she answered them. and the american people saw those answers, saw how she

answered the questions, and i think 90% of america -- >> 90% -- they're scratching their heads. >> wait. let me finish. >> are you saying it was michael cohen who was in las vegas by the pilates place? are you saying it was him personally? >> of course it wasn't him personally. >> you've been saying it all along. [ overlapping voices ] >> one at a time. >> there's a reason why god gave you two ears and one mouth. you're supposed to listen. >> what about your phony lie detector test? where was the -- >> one at a time. [ overlapping voices ] >> you're not saying it was michael cohen. stormy daniels says she could clearly identify that person. she has never said it was michael cohen. but you believe -- >> no. we have never said that it is michael cohen. but, look -- >> you've been saying that all along. >> come on, let him finish. >> let him finish. >> look, it's very simple. my client sat down. she answered the questions. 90% of