>> the team is grateful that justice was carried out. coleman will work on april 5th against the detroit tigers. incredible. >> thank god for justice. science helped him. >> thanks for joining us. i'm dave briggs. >> i'm christine romans. "new day" starts right now. u.s. and allies made clear. >> you hit them in the pocketbo pocketbooks. this is multiple countries saying all of the actions have to stop. >> we will not tolerate russia's continued attempts to undermine our values. >> this coordinated response is significant. the president's silence speaks volumes. >> opened up a lot of political peril for the president. >> the only person who is inconsistent is the one making the claims. >> i'm tired of being called a liar. i know she is too. >> uncharacteristic of the

president to remain silent about something. >> this is the president who has secrets. you have to believe there are more welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is your new day. it is tuesday, march 27th. 6:00 here in new york. here's our starting line. the russian government vowing to strike back nearly two dozen countries are expelling russian diplomats in retaliation for the attack on a spy. president trump is seeing the main cause of this wave of expulsion by russian authorities after ordering the largest ever expulsion of russian officials in u.s. history. the white house disputing a porn star's claim that she was threatened to keep quiet about her alleged affair with donald trump. now, stormy daniels is going to sue the president's personal lawyer for defamation. this comes as a source as

president trump is still talking to rob porter, the former white house aide amid allegations that he abused his two former wives. >> president trump spared few people from his stinging tweet. vladimir putin and stormy daniels. will the president remain silent today? despite the stories of extramarital affairs a new cnn national poll finds president trump's approval rate up 7 points in one month to the highest level in nearly a year. we'll tell you how the president fares on the issues and the controversies. let begin our coverage with michelle crm michelle -- >> we haven't heard from russian vladimir putin yet on the ex pulses. the time is coming that the u.s. will realize this is a grave mistake. they've vowed to kick out u.s. diplomats in return. but the u.s., in turn, is warning is if russia does that the u.s. will take additional

action. nearly two dozen countries working together to kick out this mass expulsion of russian diplomats. we've never seen this before. in the u.s. that means 60 of them will have to go. they have a week to pack their bags and get out. 12 from the u.n. in new york, 48 are spread at consulates and embassies around the u.s. they're calling them aggressive spies. saying that the u.s. is going to be safer without them. this is going to significantly hurt russia's ability to spy on american soil. now, we also haven't heard from president trump on this. there was a statement from the white house yesterday that came from the press secretary. i remember it was only days ago that president trump ignored the advice of his national security team, not to congratulate putin on his election win. but this does send a strong message. many are hoping this is a first step in getting tougher on russia, but it is something.

this accounts for 13% of russia's entire diplomatic contingent in the u.s. chris and alison. thank you for all of that background. how will russia respond to the expulsion of the 60 diplomats. let's discuss with our guests. david, tell us what this means. >> it is impressive in the numbers, allison. we've never seen a case, certainly since the end of the cold war in which so many countries got together. the fact that the european union not known for his decisiveness, certainly not known for speed managed to get this together in five or six days is impressive. the fact that they did it in defense of the british government in the midst of the brexit discussions, shows there's unity on central issues. the downside of this, if there is one, is that it probably does

not go far enough. at the end of the day, you will see a good number of russian diplomats, many of them spies, most of them spies, i'm sure by the end of today or tomorrow, you'll see a similar action by the russians against each of these countries. and then we'll be in a stalemate. we won't have as much -- using cia agents into russia. they won't have as much view into the u.s. what's missing here is the creativity that comes from looking at the kind of sanctions that the russians would have a hard time doing a hit for tat response. >> david, for context and make sure we're not having it both ways. we come after trump saying we haven't heard him voice, which is by default is his main tool, his voice, his opposition to things. but when have we ever done more in terms of sanctions or who we got rid of?

obama administration got rid of people but nowhere near in much and it was only focused in the u.s. when have we ever done more than this? >> in terms of expulsion of diplomats, i'm not sure, chris, we ever have. it's getting harder to make the argument that the president hasn't gotten tough with putin. this is a tougher move, for example, than president obama took when he expelled diplomats after the election issues. what is missing, though, chris, is two things. one the president's own voice. >> right. >> and second, an overall strategy that explains to us how we're going to contain the russians or engage them. >> the key point that david is making, the trump team deserves credit for this. this is tough, substantive action against russia as part of a multilateral coalition to punish them for poisoning folks on foreign soil. it's three times the number of

diplomats that britain expelled, almost. this is big and it deserves credit. the problem is the continuing disconnect. when toughness on the administration from the pentagon and relative sounds from the president. that still has to be explained much the president criticized his own attorney general and senate majority leader more than vladimir putin. that speaks to a larger problem. this action is tough, it's decisive. the way it could go further as david said, the united states and britain to start seizing oligarch's -- they would have a tough time retaliating in a different way. >> david, it's also uncharacteristic of the way the president has treated vladimir putin and russia. he's always stated he wants to have good relations with russia. that's one of his defining principles of his presidency. so how do we think this happened? who do we think influenced the president to do this? >> i think he's got an entire

national security staff who have been consistently tougher on issues of super power competition and particularly russia than he has been. we've seen this before, allison. really, if you go back to december when the president first turned out his national security strategy and then january when he turned out the defense strategy, there was a common line through each of these. we've moved from an age of combatting terrorism as our first priority to an age of combatting super aggressive revisionist super powers by which they mecht russant russia china. it was a fundamental shift in american policy. yet, when the president got out to give the state of the union and other speeches on foreign policy, not that he's given that many lately, this was completely missing. there's a huge disconnect as john has indicated between the policy of the administration and the words of the president.

that would be one thing but the stranger thing is, when pressed, it was clear that he never even raised these issues in private with putin in that phone call. >> all right. so we have new numbers. let's see how all this reads in people's minds. you're talking about this specific issue. 47% say too easy. 4% too tough. about right. 41%. now, the big headline is that the president has ticked up here. he's still below where president obama and president reagan was at this time in their term. they were dealing with crushing economic. reagan had unemployment, obama, we lived through the great recession what he was going through. these are some of his highest numbers, john. the big thing that's growing his satisfaction is the economy. not at 50% but damn close. >> that's what's striking. it's not actually 50%.

the economy is gangbusters and improved since he became president. naturally, he's getting credit for that. it dovetails with his reputation as a great businessman. to your point, when that economy starts going down, the numbers are soft. his strong approval is 28. you got to give him credit. a decisive -- >> in the past month. particularly given that there have been lots of controversies and other things and despite all of that seven points. >> something hard to sell to politicians but is true. the benefit of a low number, david. one of the upsides of having bad poll numbers, they're going to come up. everybody has a baseline around 40, 45, 46% that you'll get to. he's coming low. he'll get pops. how they jump on it, we'll see. >> david sanger and john avalon. thank you. fighting back after this stormy daniels interview. 22 million people watched this.

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president trump continues to deny an affair with stormy daniels and does not believe she was ever threatened to keep quiet. meanwhile, stormy daniels is suing mr. trump's personal

lawyer, michael cohen for defamation. abby is at the white house with more. >> president trump is usually not one to hold back in his attacks on twitter. he's been uncharacteristically restrained in attacking stormy daniels. president trump, remaining uncharacteristically quiet about his alleged affair with stormy daniels and the purported effort to cover up the story. >> you had sex with him? >> yes. >> you were 27, he was 60. were you physically attracted to him? >> no. >> but behind the scenes, the "washington post" reports the president has attacked daniels, asking confidants if the episode is hurting his poll numbers and griping that daniels is not the type of woman he finds attractive. the post also reporting that the president watched daniels' "60 minutes" interview, didn't think she appeared credible and has been asking his aides what they thought. >> i'm not going to get into it.

there are clips all over the morning news shows. >> sources tell cnn that mr. trump knows the stakes and is resisting commenting to avoid making the controversy worse. the president leaving his defense to white house staff. >> the president strongly, clearly and has consistently denied these underlying claims and the only person who has been inconsistent is the one making the claims. >> the president doesn't believe that any of the claims that miss daniels made at the interview are accurate. >> he doesn't believe she was threatened? >> no. >> the $130,000 paid to daniels days before the election by trump's attorney, cohen. >> daniels' lawyer filing suit against cohen on monday for defamati defamation. >> he made some statements earlier this year whereby he basically said that the affair never happened. in not so many words. made my client out to be a liar. >> this as cnn learns the

president has kept in touch with the subject of a different controversy. former white house staff secretary rob porter. porter resigned amid allegations that he physically abused both of his ex-wives. "the new york times" reports that the president has told some of his advisers that he hopes porter returns to work in the west wing, although he acknowledges he probably can't bring him back. >> in spite of all of this, president trump is actually seeing some of the highest approval ratings of his presidency. it's gone up to 7 points according to a new cnn poll out. on the policy issues, this is where we see where exactly this might be coming from. he's getting his highest marks on the economy and lowest marks on gun control. here you see the voters giving him 48% approval rating on the economy. second highest foreign affairs. then trade and finally gun policy at 36%. something that is particularly salient after this weekend march

for our lives protest here in washington. but president trump here going into his second year with approval ratings that are probably as close as you can get to where he was at the very beginning of his tenure. as he believes, the economy is a big part of this. the stock market doing fairly well and economic confidence fairly high right now alisyn and chris. >> thank you very much, alisyn and i were negotiating what elements go when. >> i get this one. >> best part of the show. i'm 0 for 2,050. let's get into it with john avilan and jeffrey tubin. >> the first metric would be ratings. 22 million people. you can final four me all day about how they had a pumped up audience. we have a final four every year. >> people were interested. >> we haven't seen an audience like this since the obamas won and went on the show. >> i think it was kind of like step for step, trump when he won went on bragged about the ratings. beat him about 3 million people.

why the resonance when so many people were saying i know what this was already. we already know what happened. 22 million people? >> a porn star suing the president after the final four. >> people are going to pay attention. sex, politics and sports. that's basically america, chris. i mean, there's a lot of interest in that combination of things. >> it's interesting. i think it's interesting to look at the ratings because -- here's another data point. this is the poll that shows who americans believe. 63% of americans believe the women. 21% believe the president. 15% undecided. yet, jeffrey, people were interested, i guess, in the titillating nature of this and they believe the women. meanwhile, his approval ratings have gone up by seven points in the past month. >> these approval ratings have bounced around somewhat. i don't think we need to -- it had been as high as 40 before.

as low as 35 -- >> it doesn't seem to be hurting him. legally, the next move that stormy daniels is doing is suing michael cohen, the president's personal lawyer for defamation. what do you think of that? >> what you need to think about with the strategies, her attorney, it's based on one thing. that will allow him limited discovery and a secret proceeding and getting into federal court where he can take depositions and depose the president and depose michael cohen. >> how does he do that? >> by having lawsuits like a defamation case, if it proceeds, he will certainly be allowed to depose -- >> proceedings off the contract to get away from the contract in case it's enforced. >> christ -- >> correct. >> did you call me christ. >> it was a combination of chris and correct. >> i thought no one heard that. but i heard it.

>> go ahead. ask me something. he's smarter than i am. >> proceedings off of this. if that's the strategy of he have not i -- >> isn't the real strategy to never have it go that far and to have more money? >> no. look at the ego he has displayed, the lawyer. he wants to depose the president of the united states. he wants to put the president under oath and say, did you have sex with these women? the only way to do that is to have a lawsuit that is in federal court, not an arbitration. >> hold on. stormy daniels' lawyer and michael cohen's lawyer were on anderson and they had a high brow legal discussion. it evolved into name calling. watch this. >> let's talk about michael cohen. what kind of man this is. this is the kind of guy who claimed in connection with that story that there's no such thing as spousal rape. this is a legal genius. >> right. >> completely false.

the guy doesn't even know the law. he's a thug. your friend is a thug. >> thank you. that's a million dollars, a million dollars, a million dollars. >> thug. >> anyone coming on here -- >> a regular -- inherit the -- >> the guy sitting between them. trying to stay out of the food fight. >> washing over me the whole -- i had to take a shower after it. >> what he was saying is every time you call my client a name it's an extra million dollar fine. >> there is a provision in the contract that suggests each violation is a million dollars. we were in a silly zone there. >> it doesn't matter if it's on tv apparently. >> look, part of it is, this is the chance for the core claim, yes, i made the payment but there's no merit to the claim is absurd and cannot stand up on cable tv or fighting through

press releases. in terms of the political implication of it, obviously jeff will clean the clock on legal interpretations. what strikes me is the number 3 to 1, the american people believe the president's accusers, including a porn star over the president of the united states. that's not a credibility gap, folks. that's a credibility chasm. >> you have to hope it goes away. what can you do about it? >> if you you're in the white house? >> yeah. it is what it is, isn't it? >> that's the problem they got. they're going to keep deferring and offering sort of statements to try to deflect. >> here's the balance. one, the reason that this matters to me is lawsuits change the dynamic of just the he said #s said/she said. if it goes to a deposition, if he gets asked about these matters, it gets tricky.

that's the farrah analysis. i think he may be helping the president over time. he's coming off like a hype man. he keeps promising things he doesn't deliver. the media is eating it up. at some point he's got to deliver. if he doesn't, this falls on its face. >> thank you so much. coming up in the next hour, we'll talk with one of michael cohen's attorneys, david schwartz. >> why is schwartz talking for cohen. he loves to talk. there's a mysterious train seen in beijing. who is on that train? >> is that a hint? >> this is a hint on your screen. is it kim jong-un? if so, what is he doing in china? we have a live report on all of this next. we do whatever it takes to fight cancer.

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job if you like back in 2011 which is extraordinary. china is stone walling on this. the ministry of foreign affairs was asked outright was kim jong-un in beijing. the reply was, chris, i have no idea. but it does point to kim. the timing is important because we got the upcoming summit between the two koreas and the meeting with donald trump and kim. china wants some influence in the meetings and north korea wants to restore the relations between beijing and north korea. maybe this is a way to do that. >> the recent trump move would incentivize the chinese to mess with the u.s.'s game a little bit with north korea. sometimes it's what they don't tell you that reveals the truth of a situation. andrew, thank you very much. appreciate it. so there's going to be a question about citizenship status in the census included in 2020.

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look what just happened. we're tough on russia. we acted in concert with our allies globally. the united states took a leadership role. very untrumpian. i'm happy to see it. >> i understand. but i wonder why president trump did this uncharacteristic thing. >> i don't know if he demanded he -- that he had a meeting and said give me options. i like the tough ones. i don't think so. i think this actually came from the bureaucracy, came from the national security establishment and it came from our allies who did want to act in concert. i think the decision the president made here was not to pull it, but to not get in the way of it. >> what happens next? what does russia do now? >> they retaliate in kind. you heard david sanger earlier on today talk about we may have exhausted what we can do down this lane in terms of pufting pressure on the russians. we need to jump over here into another lane to treat what i

would call the unexplained wealth of an awful lot of russian oligarchs who prefer to put their wealth, their kids and best homes in the west rather than in russia. >> there's a development in the russian meddling investigation. and that is, talked to a former obama official. this is brett bruin, he's the former white house director for global engagement. he's saying for the first time that in 2014, after he watched what russia did in the ukraine election, he tried to sound the alarm to the obama administration. he tried to say, why do we think it's going to be contained to ukraine? we need to listen to this. >> i was sitting at the white house telling the state department for the love of god, keep this up. this is not the moment for us to stand down. not only did i feel like i knew enough at that moment, i was

sitting in the situation room saying, this is something that's going to march across western europe and march over to our shores and we need to be ready. >> director, we often talk about how president trump hasn't done enough according to the intelligence committee to stop whatever russia is going to do next. do you think that president obama dropped the ball on this? >> i agree that he did not do enough, that he was slow to respond. actually, i think the intelligence folks would tell you they were slow to emphasize this to him. number one, it was an evolving plot line. you know, listening to that, alisyn, it reminded me a bit of pre-9/11, serious differences here. but in terms of the intelligence analysis, pre-9/11, we knew al qaeda was coming after us, but we thought they were coming after us in terms of u.s. interests overseas, not in the homeland. it takes this great leap now to believe that the russians have

done in crimea. the information bubble over their own population, the information bubble they had done in what they call the near abroad, the russian-speaking population in the old soviet union. that they would actually export that, take that big step and do it in north america and they did. >> to your point, there were people trying to sound the alarm. speaking of sounding the alarm, former president carter has given an interview to usa today in which he's trying to sound the alarm about john bolton, the new national security adviser. >> i think john bolton is a disaster. he made one of the worst mistakes that president trump has made since he's been in office is the employment of john bolton, who has been advocating a war with north korea for a long time, even an attack on iran and who was one of the leaders in orchestrating the decision to invade iraq.

so he's a war-like figure. i'm just afraid that his influence on president trump will be deleterious to our country. >> do you believe with president carter that john bolton is a disast disaster? >> a lot of people would share his concerns if not his vocabulary. john is talented and knowledgeable and smart. he's a good bureaucratic infighter. on the other side, no one would accuse john bolton of building consensus in terms of preparing for a particular action. he's probably going to be the most unilateralist national security adviser we've ever had. he's far more comfortable with military action than many people who have occupied that position in the past. and then, what scares me the most is that i think john's instincts are very similar to the president's instincts. therefore, he won't be a

balancing effect on the president. he will be reinforcing. >> do you think he's dangerous? >> i wouldn't say dangerous. i mean, we just had what i would call the federal bureaucracy do something with regard to the russians that we wouldn't have expected from the president. you've got this big body of professionals, only about the best of america inside the national security establishment. what i suspect is, we're going to see a lot of sparks fly between the national security adviser and the government. >> michael hayden, always great to get your perspective. thank you very much for being here. chris? >> people will tell you in sports you shouldn't talk trash, keep it a above board, about the game. no. listen to the 100-year-old grandmother of michigan alum jaylon rose. she has a message for loyola's sister jean. this you cannot miss. it's in the bleacher report, next.

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here's your four-day forecast. we're going to be well up almost at 80 degrees in d.c. by saturday. here's your forecast, though. the big map. heavy, heavy rainfall across the midwest for today. moving to the northeast for thursday into friday. away on saturday. great weather for easter egg rolls or whatever you're going to do. even for sunday, things look good. showers, but not temperatures below normal alisyn, it's coming. punxsutawney phil is back in his hole now. >> good. stay there. >> your easter egg placement or whatever ritual you have, inclement weather. >> 70 sounds delicious. a big part of the 76ers feature back on the court after a few rough months. coy wire has more for us in the bleacher report. hi, coy. >> good morning, alisyn. marquel foltz was the number one overall draft pick in the nba. just 19 years old. he was injured in his fourth game of the season. that hasn't stopped the roll of

philly, though. after a six-year drought, the sixers clinched a playoff spot even without their young star. mom was in the house. it was a good night. fans were pumped too, when marquel stepped on the floor. he's been out since october. think about that. he gets out there, ten points. not bad. lately when markelle is back on the bench, the fans wanted more. >> asked about that chant after the game, markellle the young rook he thought philadelphia's super bowl winning quarterback nick foles was at the game and that's who they were cheering. come on, rook, they're cheering for you. welcome back. this is the story of the day. 100-year-old granny of a former michigan star had trash talked loyola chicago's sister jean. jalen rose's grandmother started a war of words with.

the head of the wolverines final four matchup on saturday. >> sister jean, it's been a good ride. but it's over saturday. 100. >> keep it 100. >> chris cuomo, i want to see you go toe to toe with these grandmas. puts you in your place. >> no way. they have rekindled a lost love for me with the tournament and the basketball. it's great. don't think i don't notice that you're copying the rock's look from the series. no tie, the perfectly domed head. i know what you're doing. i see you in the gym. don't think it's going unnoticed. >> i'll take it. >> i'll trash talk you too. i'm not going against the good old ladies. >> five more years. >> they gave me a 15-year guarantee. muscles in his head.

muscles everywhere. >> the stormy daniels case isn't going away. there are two reasons. one, it's incredibly popular as evidenced on "60 minutes." people care about this. the second one is the legal challenges. even if you don't care about the personal aspect of this, there is exposure to this president. jeffrey toobin agrees. we'll break down the reasons why. next. >> he didn't like the personal -- >> announcer: bleacher report update is brought to you by --

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president trump is facing legal challenges from several women accusing him of affairs and indiscretions. could he be deposed in any of these case sns here to break down the implications and exposu exposure, cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin. am i correct even if you say i don't care what happened in the private lives, you have to have concern because of the potential

exposure? >> paula jones. you have to remember bill clinton's situation with paula jones. it wasn't that he lost the lawsuit that paula jones sued him for sexual harassment. it's while he was president, he had to give a deposition, where he made false statements which led to his impeachment. it's the process of being sued as much as the possible result of being sued that can jeopardize a presidency. >> that legal defense was used by the white house, same as clinton failed again. that will be relevant in the second example. let's start with stormy daniels. so this is what's going on litigationwise. what jumps out to you as potentially giving exposure that's real? >> the defamation lawsuit filed yesterday, which is in federal court in los angeles, it raises the possibility of both michael cohen and president trump having to give depositions. there's also the issue of the $130,000 that was paid to stormy daniels. was it an illegal campaign

contribution by michael cohen. of course, robert mueller, the special counsel has asked about michael cohen. now, michael cohen is also involved in the russia side of the story. he was one of the negotiators about a possible trump tower in moscow. but the fact that he is caught up in that investigation also raises the possibility that there could be problems there. >> obviously, the big phrase is perjury trap. you get the president in a deposition and doesn't give the truth about this, that's a problem. what are the chances that any of this happens. the $130,000 payment, that would be the ftc and do you think she has a case for defamation? >> it might get to discovery. i think the key question in all of the lawsuits is not the ultimate lawsuit. can it get to the point where the president would be deposed. >> next example. now, this is where the defense of the white house, the white house said no, we got to stop

this case until the presidency is over and then this can go forward. the judge said no. nobody is above the law. have to deal with it now. same thing that happened in clinton. >> her claim is that -- she claims sexual harassment. she did not claim a consensual sexual reelationship with the president. she said it was defamation. the judge in new york said this case can proceed. so here you have, i don't think the president's liability is likely to be very great in a final result, but this case does appear to be heading towards a deposition, and that is perilous for the president. he could be asked not just about some -- >> what do you need in general for this defamation case to be -- is calling someone a liar enough to be defamatordefamator?

>> certainly if you say an individual is a liar, that can be defamation. if you say a group of people is a liar, that's where i think the president might be on more solid ground. karen mcdougal, she's not going after the president because of what he said about her or what he did. she's going after the people who gave her the money. there is a little bit of exposure for the president. >> potentially. this is the weakest of the cases because her lawyer keeps saying she's suing to not being silent anymore. she doesn't want to be silent. she hasn't been silent. she gave a long interview to anderson cooper. i think the question here would be did ami, the parent company of the national enquirer, what was its relationship with the president, were there any other payments made to other women. that's an issue that would come up. >> i agree with you that on the

face, i would go even farther. i would be surprised if any of these get to that state of process where the president is exposed. i don't think these cases make it that way or disposed of earlier by president's counsel. however, if you have to deal with the reporting on these cases, if you can show a pattern that the president is a private citizen used bully tactics to keep them quiet. that could have legs. i don't see the case for it -- >> just step back and recognize, there are three pending lawsuits against the president of the united states for various kinds of sexual misbehavior. needless to say, we have never been in a situation like this before. litigation is, by definition, not something you can control as a party. it's perilous. >> that's true. just because somebody wants to sue you doesn't mean they'll be successful. jeffrey toobin, thanks to you and thanks to the international

viewers. for you cnn talk is next. for the u.s. viewers, new day continues. we've got a lot of news. what do you say? let's get after it. >> 60 russian diplomats, one week to pack their bags and get out. >> we cannot stand when the sovereignty of our allies is threatened. >> my suspicion is this is something the president didn't demand, which he decided not to oppose. >> it was the right response but the president has yet to respond to russia's attacks here in the united states. >> my client is interested in the truth and nothing but the truth. period. >> her story is one -- the president's story has been -- just because the president has been consistent. -- if you think stormy daniels and mcdougal are the last ones we'll hear from, everyone is sadly mistaken. >> this is new day with chris cuomo and