kim jong-un has made his first visit outside korea since resuming power. >> it gives north korea the support it needs. >> the fact that they're having conversations i don't believe is a bad thing. it's a power play by china. i think they'll use this as leave vag. >> president trump reaching an agreement with south korea to rework a key trade deal. >> it was a deal that was causing a lot of problems for our country. stormy daniels's lawyer wants to question the president of the united states about the agreement to silence his client. >> we've addressed it and there's nothing new to add. >> if he comes out and calls my client a liar, there's going to be serious consequences. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to your new day. it's wednesday, march 28th, 8:00

in the east. north korean leader kim jong-un making a secret trip to china to meet with the president. it's his first foreign trip since coming into power in 2011. >> it comes as kim gets ready the meet with president trump in the coming weeks. mr. trump tweeting there's a good choons kim will do what is right for his people and look forward to meeting with him. breaking overnight, stormy daniels' attorney asking a federal judge to depose president trump. he wants to know what the president knew about the $130,000 payment to the porn star days before the election. let's begin with cnn's ivan watson live in seoul, south korea. what have you learned? >> alisyn, this was a surprise and secret summit. they didn't tell the world that

xi jinping met until after kim jong-un got back to north korea. he traveled by trump campaign between north korea and the chinese capital and back. it's been a secret meeting and came after years of frosty relations between these two supposed long-time allies, china and nrgtd. in this case what you had was xi jinping brushing aside the differences saying this is a strategic choice, their alliance and shouldn't let isolated incidents disrupt the alliance. meanwhile, the north korean leader has gone on to say that denuclearization is a possibility here on the korean peninsula. that's been a no-go in the past for north korea but provided south korea and the u.s. cooperate. that brings me to reaction from the white house. president trump has tweeted twice about this so far, saying he's looking forward to a possible meeting with the north

korean leader, saying he was informed about the secret summit by xi jinping himself in a message to him, but also saying sanctions between north korea must be maintained for the time being. meanwhile, the u.s. has been negotiating trade with its south korean ally. president trump previously called the 2012 trade agreement horrib horrible. there have been tweaks to it. the u.s. can double the quota of cars, and they'll extend tariffs on south korean trucks exported to the uchlts s. a lot of diplomacy going on between north and south korea and their patrons, china and the u.s., ahead of a lot of big stakes diplomacy in the weeks and months ahead. >> now to branging news in the stormy daniels case, her attorney is asking a federal judge for permission to depose president trump under oath about

that $130,000 payout that daniels received from michael cohen days before the 2016 election. cnn's abby phillip has been following this. she's live at the white house for us. what's the latest, abby? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. we have new information. michael avenatti, stormy daniels' attorney is citing bill clinton's precedent in saying he can depose president trump in a matter that has to do with his actions before becoming president. while we have not heard yet from michael cohen, the president's personal lawyer or his attorney in this case, a friend of michael cohen, david schwartz, calls this a reckless use of the legal system. stormy daniels' lawyer wants to know what president trump knew about the $130,000 payment to his client days before the 2016 election, avenatti asking the federal judge in california for permission to question the president under oath for up to two hours. >> we're going to prove that mr.

cohen's statements to the american people are false, that at all times mr. trump knew about this, knew about the $130,000, was fully aware of it and with the assistance of mr. cohen sought to intimidate and put my client under his thumb. >> reporter: the president's lawyer, michael cohen, has said he paid daniels out of his own pocket and the president knew nothing about the agreement. >> the president strongly, clearly and has consistently denied these underlying claims. the only person who has been inconsistent is the one making the claims. >> reporter: the white house spars with reporters of the characterization. >> i don't think it's silent when the president has addressed this. we've addressed it extensively. there's nothing else to add. sometimes he chooses to specifically engage and punch back and sometimes he doesn't. >> reporter: a source close to the white house tells cnn that the current plan is for mr. trump to continue avoiding the topic because the controversy

hasn't heard his poll numbers. avenatti telling cnn's wolf blitzer that eight women have come to him with stories similar to daniels. >> we're still exploring their stories. >> do you know if any of these eight women who have come to you also signed confidentiality or hush agreements? >> we understand that two of them have. >> reporter: the president's legal troubles mounting as he struggles to build up his legal team ahead of a potential interview with special counsel robert mueller. two more lawyers declining to join his legal team due to business conflicts, days after the president insisted that many top law firms want to represent him. >> the president has a highly qualified team with several individual that have been part of this process. >> reporter: president trump has so far remained quiet on social media. he has, however, been treating this morning about the unfolding

negotiations with north korea and about the second amendment. he said the second amendment will never be repealed. and despite the words of former supreme court justice stevens, we need more republicans in 2018 and must always hold the supreme court. president trump now faces the prospect of two lawyers trying to question him under oath both in the stms case and when it comes to the special counsel, chris and alisyn. >> joining us cnn political analyst josh green and john avlon. so legally we know that this is a dodgy move by avenatti. he wants to get away from the nda. the non-disclosure agreement says these types of matters will be dealt with in arbitration. the hearing i think is in april -- 30th or something like that? >> yes, april 30th. >> javy is our ep and puts most of the correct things in my

head. what do you make as a tactic? >> part is a media strategy by avenatti. >> largely. >> largely. he's using trump tactics. this is all stay tuned, a little new news to keep it at the top of the airways. the rubber meets the road with the actual legal process. obviously his best case scenario is to get the president to testify, to get michael cohen to testify from both a legal and media standpoint. but it's a long ball because the existence of the nrksda. it's not as clear as the ser goes case because the judge has said the precedence applies. >> here is what michael avenatti said this morning about why he's doing this, what he wants. >> we want to know the truth about what the president knew, when he knew it and what he did about it. as it relates to this agreement, we're going to test the veracity or truthfulness of mr. cohen's

statements. we're confident that we'll prove to the american people that they have been told a bucket of lies. >> your reaction, josh? >> the brass ring here for avenatti and any lawyer going up against trump is to get him to testify under oath. my bloomberg colleague, timothy o'brien was sued by trump years ago, actually did manage to get him under oath and his lawyers caught trump in 30 different lies. >> people can read that deposition. i think tim has it out there. >> exactly. you can google this and read the lies he caught trump in. that's the big fear of trump's legal team. that's one of the reasons why trump's previous lawyer, john dowd, resigned. he doesn't want trump to testify in front of bob mueller's investigators. i think a lot of lawyers around town would counsel trump and tell him this is potentially a bad idea for you to go ahead. >> it does seem, at least at this point, things can change, i think trump is getting lucky

here by the nature of who is opposing him. avenatti has gone really heavy on hype, especially as an officer of the court. you're not supposed to be a tease man and a hype man as somebody's legal counsel. because of this nda, i think avenatti has a very tough time proving this wasn't a legitimate contract. once that comes, it's his contract that winds up with all this legal exposure, not the president. >> potentially. >> it's more likely than the other outcome, that the nda gets thrown out. >> it may be more likely, but we also have a pattern of lies from cohen about this case. the president has a truth telling problem, though his defenders would say he's a p.t. barnham character. you have a fundamental fact of a payoff to a porn star days before the election. >> that's the fec. they would have to bring that action. stormy daniels can't bring that action. they talk about it in their pleadings as though they're going to make the case this was

a campaign contribution. they don't have standing to make that. >> the fec is toothless by design. if they can't take action on that, they should wave the right flag and go home. >> the white house yesterday said they've addressed this adequately, she doesn't have anything more to add. here is that exchange with our jeff zeleny. >> why the silence? is someone advising him to be silent? >> i don't think it's silent when the president has as dressed this, we've addressed it extensively. there's nothing else to add. just because you guys continue to ask the same question over and over and over again, doesn't mean we have to come up with new things to say. we've addressed it extensively. there's nothing new to add to that conversation. >> what about that, josh, they have nothing more to say? >> i don't think they want to say anything more because they don't want to give fuel to the story. one of the reasons trump's advisers have been successful is they've managed to keep him off

twitter, keep him from attacking storm stormy daniels, violating the non-disclosure agreement and bring a court action to prove this process along. part of what avenatti is doing is trying to bait trump into reacting. you see that with his tweets that there may be video tape, text messages or e-mail messages, and this promise there's more coming down the road. john is right, it makes for great tv, keeps the story in the news. part of the design is also to try to force a reaction from trump who we know is easily baited when people are criticizing, attacking and humiliating him. >> he's a very savvy guy when it comes to media. donald trump is no stranger to these types of pseudolegal battles that play out. he came close with biden. biden was talking about him with women. he went after joe biden. he called fake news after the "60 minutes" interview and the

22 million people. he's gotten close. on this one he's in good shape so far because his public approval numbers aren't changing and now he has something else to talk about. this north korea development, with kim jong-un going to china, him getting the south korea deal, these are potential positives and check marks for the trump administration. >> absolutely. the north korea policy has been tough. if they seem to have reshuffled the calculus of north korea, and that opens the potential for some kind of breakthrough. that's a high stakes negotiation and some folks are worried trump could get rolled. nonetheless, their tough approach seems to have changed the calculus. the economy is doing beautifully. that's benefited trump's poll numbers. there are things the administration can look to and say we've done that right. the problem is the president has a capacity to step on his lip and create his own distractions as we see with the stormy daniels saga, and behind it all

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cnn has learned that facebook ceo mark zuckerberg will testify. after cambridge analytica, a data firm with ties to president trump's campaign improperly accessed information from at least 50 million facebook users without their knowledge. joining us is senator richard blumenthal, a member of two committees that want to talk to zuckerberg. is zuckerberg going top a peer before one of your committees? >> he will. i hope before both. certainly right now he's slated to appear before judiciary. i think there ought to be subpoenas for him in case he changes his mind, for documents that facebook has and for cambridge analytica and alexander keoghan who are key, also, to knowing how this information on 50 million people

was harvested and then abused, illegally juiced to mine and manipulate other data. >> is it your thought that facebook intentionally or somehow knowingly violated america's rights? >> facebook has a problem with truth and with trust. it needs to tell the truth to congress about whether it knew. it says in 2015 it asked all this data be deleted, and it never verified it. it never, very alarmingly, told the users that their data was out there potentially at risk. that is deeply concerning. >> why do you think mark zuckerberg has not been more transparent? >> i think the facebook attitude has been, quite frankly, trust us, we know better. that's the problem they have with trust. now they need to accept rules of the road that, in effect, regulate their business model. their business model is to sell

information about you and me without our knowledge and consents. they need to accept rules that require full disclosure and consent, not only when that information is initially sold or shared, but also when it is used afterward and they need to devise rules to protect the information from breaches and other prematurities. >> until they do that, do you think americans should delete their facebook accounts? >> i wouldn't advice people on whether they should delete their accounts. they should take precautions in safeguarding their information, and where they agree to is ask -- alexander keoghan was able to harvest all this information on 50 million people because he deceptively encouraged people to join this personality quiz or app that he applied. >> let's talk about the census. the commerce department wants to

add a question, and the question is this, is this person a citizen of the united states? what's wrong with that question? >> first, it violates the constitution. >> why? >> which requires census tabulation to be done on every person, everyone who lives in the united states, not necessarily just on citizens. second, as a practical matter, it undercounts people who live in states or areas that may need federal funding. >> hold on. you're saying it undercounts them because they won't reveal it, they will hide whether or not they're a citizen. on the face of it, it looks like it's looking for transparency. it looks as if you'll be able to get an accurate count of how many undocumented immigrants are here versus citizens. >> well, that may be the spin that the administration is trying to put on it. there's a reason that that question hasn't been used since

1960 on census counts. by the way, the census is already way behind schedule and starved for money. so they're introducing this new question at the last moment. but the practical effect will be to short change areas of the country where there are a large number of undocumented people, and you know because you live in this part of the country, that a lot of these folks have lived here for literally decades. they started businesses, raised families and they may be in need of certain kinds of assistance or their states may be. >> you hear the other side. what the white house is saying, that we need to know accurate numbers. we need to know in a sovereign country how many people live here and how many undocumented immigrants there are. mauro rubio this morning, latest freak out is over 2020 census. in every nation citizenship matters. shouldn't we know how many we

have? districts apportioned by people not here legally dilutes the political representation of citizens and legal residents. >> we should know, but not through the census. remember, it's kierd constitutionally that it count every person, everyone who lives here, not every citizen. that's the law. there's a reason for the law which is we want to know what the characteristics are of our total population, not just of citizens. you're right, citizenship be counted. there are other ways to do it. >> you know, we are forever saying something like, well, between the 11 million and 14 million undocumented immigrants here -- because we don't know an exact number -- would it help to know? >> it would help to have comprehensive immigration reform. the present system is broken. that's why there are 11 million people living in the shah goes and there's bipartisan consensus

there should be comprehensive immigration reform. i helped to write a bill, it passed overwhelmingly in the senate by a 68-vote margin and it was never voted on in the house. this immigration issue is fundamental to our democracy. we need to reform the present system. >> while i have you, i want to ask you about russia. the president expelled 60 russian diplomats in retaliation for what russia did in the uk. here is what the russian ambassador said about that. the united states did a very bad step. i'm sure that time will come that they will understand what kind of grave mistake they did. what do you think about the president's move and about what retaliation they're talking about? >> what the president did should be just the beginning of a much more aggressive counterattack against the russians. they have attacked our election system fundamental to our democracy in 2016. they're doing it again, and we

need to counter their chemical attack on the u.k., their continuing aggression in ukraine, violation of our missile treaty. >> do you give the president credit for what many say is a very strong step, stronger than what president obama did. >> i give the president credit for expelling 60 russian intelligence officers. i think it is diminished in its force by the president's failure to himself break his silence on vladimir putin, instead of pushing back as aggressively as he should, he congratulated putin on his election. we need a much more aggressive and robust response to the continuing attack on our democracy. a chemical attack on our ally. >> senator richard blumenthal, great to have you in stewed yoe.

>> the lawyer for stormy daniels is asking a judge to let him depose both president trump and his personal attorney michael cohen. how that could put the president's loyal long-time protector to the test or not, next. is. at fidelity, our online planning tools are clear and straightforward so you can plan for retirement while saving for the things you want to do today. -whoo!

breaking news. stormy daniels' attorney asking a judge for permission to depose president trump and his personal attorney michael cohen. cohen admitted paying the porn star $130,000 of his own money just days before the 2016 election in exchange for her silence. one of many moves he's made over the years he says to try to protect his famous client. cnn's gloria borger has more on president trump's loyal fixer. >> reporter: in the soap opera in which a porn star accepts a payoff to keep quiet about her affair with donald trump, there's got to be a guy who gets it done. >> where is michael cohen? >> where is mr. cohen? >> where is this guy? >> where is this guy? >> reporter: michael cohen is where he's been since 2007, standing behind donald trump or

closer, in his back pocket. >> michael was, i always like to say, the radon van of the office. he took care of what had to be taken care of. i don't know what had to be taken care of. all i know is that michael was taking care of it. he was a guy you could call at 3:00 in the morning when you have a problem. >> do you know stories of donald trump calling him at 3:00 in the morning? >> donald trump has called him at all hours of the night. every dinner i've been at with michael, the boss has called. >> reporter: but cohen did not call the boss, he says, when he decided to pay stormy daniels $130,000 out of his own pocket 11 days before the election. >> i think it's ludicrous. >> you believe 100% donald trump knew? >> 100%. >> there's not a meeting that takes place that he doesn't know about. >> reporter: cohen wouldn't go on the record for this piece, but his friends claim it's all part of his job in trump world,

giving the boss deniability and protection? >> he took care of a lot of things for mr. trump without mr. trump knowing about it. that's part of the overall structure, is that michael had great latitude to take care of matters. >> reporter: michael cohen, a version of his long time mentor roy kohn, aggressive defender of all things trump no questions asked. after dantonio finished his book on trump, he got the cohen treatment in what turned out to be an empty threat. >> then he got mad and it was, you just bought yourself an f'ing lawsuit, buddy, i'll see you in court. >> reporter: in 2011 michael cohen described his job this way. >> my job is i protect mr. trump. that's what it is. if there's an issue that relates to mr. trump that is of concern

to him, it's, of course, of concern to me, and i will use my legal skills within which to protect mr. trump to the best of my ability. >> reporter: cohen, a sometimes democrat, first came to trump's attention after buying apartments in trump developments, then went to the mat for trump against one of his condo boards and won. >> trump loved him for it. that was the beginning of it. after that they became close. it was much more than an attorney-client relationship. it was something much deeper, almost father and son kind of thi thing. always hot and cold. donald trump could yelling at him one second and saying he's the greatest person in the world the next second. donald trump knew that michael always had his back. >> reporter: for trump it wasn't e about pedigree. cohen got his degree from cooley

law school and had initial success in the less than genteel world of new york city taxi medallions. >> before he started working for trump org, it wasn't like he came from a white shoe law firm, he came from a hard-nosed new york trial firm. trump has an eye for talent. this is someone, he used to call him his bulldog, his tough guy. >> reporter: at the trump organization he's done a business of everything, running a mixed martial arts company, securing real estate branding deals and even taking care of transportation. >> the famous trump plane, there was an engine issue that he actually took care of and got a really good deal on. >> watching him, it's like a reality show. he's got three phones. he's got the hard line, he's got two lines, he's texting, he's on the computer. >> you can almost say this is donald trump's mini me. for a guy who started really in

the middle class on long island to now be quite wealthy himself, known internationally and, yes, he's in a bid of a jam with the russia scandal. >> in the eye not only of stormy, but also of interest to special counsel bob mueller and congress. >> look forward to getting all the information -- >> during the campaign when trump said he had no contact with russia, cohen was privately trying to cut a deal for a trump tower moscow. it never happened, but mueller has asked about it. >> the sad reality is that michael pursuing that trump tower deal in december is just another factor that goes into this whole russia narrative. >> reporter: cohen's name was also in the infamous dossier which alleges he traveled to prague to meet with russians. he's completely denied it and is suing buzzfeed which published it. >> it's i'm measurable the

damage caused to him, to his family. >> reporter: when trump became president, he did not bring his brash wingman to washington. >> do you think he wanted to be in the white house, be white house counsel -- >> there must have been a part of him that was dreaming of a great job at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. but he's also the guy who not only knows where all the bodies are buried. he buried a lot of them himself. and that ironically disqualified him. >> they say i'm mr. trump's pit bull, that i'm his right-hand man. i've been called many different things around here. >> reporter: now he may be called to testify with the stormy daniels case in federal court. >> i know michael cohen for over 21 years, and i know that he will not rest, he will not sleep -- he doesn't sleep anyway, right -- until he recovers every single penny from stormy daniels that's due the llc. >> i've seen a lot of attorneys

use intimidation tactics. the problem is, if that is your speed and you are a one-trick pony and you use that in every case, when all of a sudden you run up against somebody that doubles down and that isn't intimidated, then you're lovett. >> reporter: cohen flew to mayor lag ga to dine with the president the night before stormy daniels appeared on "60 minute minutes", because if you're michael cohen, you're the ultimate loyalist. >> the words the media should be using to describe mr. trump are generous, compassionate. >> reporter: and you still believe donald trump will be loyal -- >> -- kind, humble, honest -- >> reporter: -- to you. gloria borger, cnn washington. top media executives grilled on the stand as a high-stakes merger battle heats up. the unusual argument made in court next. (vo) pro plan bright mind

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is heating up. the media giants making an unusual argument to the government in blocking the deal. let's bring in host of "reliable sources" brian stelter and cnn politics media and business reporter hadas gold. hadas, what happened? >> it's really interesting. it almost felt like we were in the upside down yesterday in court. what we were hearing is at&t and time warner's lawyer arguing that time warner content is not that popular or important. that's because the government's lawsuit against at&t and time warner rests on the idea that time warner content is so important, live sports, live news, what we're doing right now, that if at&t got hold of it, they would have too much leverage over other companies, over other distributors, and, therefore, it should not be in their hands. what at&t's lawyer was saying was, hey, in the top 500 most watched shows, are any turner

content? the answer is no. their competitors like a dish tv executive on the stand said we're looking at most hours watched and turner does very well in most hours watched. it's an unusual argument that at&t is trying to make that, hey, they're not that popular, but it's all part of this legal strategy for at&t to prove the case that time warner should be part of that. >> on the flip side, the justice department is arguing how must-have cnn is. the president wants to call this network fake news and lawyers for the justice department are arguing how important -- i would agree with them -- how important cnn is, how important these channels are. this is another case where the president's rhetoric doesn't line up with his government's lawyers. >> look, there's a big difference between the court of public opinion and the court of law. you only know what you show at this trial. they're trying to satisfy a burden, the government lawyers,

that is unusual. mergers like this historically haven't been shot down, and as to why they are having to make this burden, that takes us to where the president's head is on these things. he says i've always felt deals like this were a problem. we don't have a clear record of that. he has a problem with us, and he has a problem with "the washington post" owned by amazon, owned by geoff bay soez. we know from axios that he has been talking about ways to get at bee soez. they're killing mom and pop shops. maybe he's thinking, the president, that there's sthng he can do with taxes. another agenda here as well. we're not hearing this kind of thing going after anything that rupert murdock owns. >> interesting reporting from axios that five sources have told axios that the president is talking this u way, wondering how the use antitrust law against amazon. that can partly be against the

company, as you're saying, against the company because it has an incredible amount of market power. however, we know the president tweeted against bezos and criticized "the washington post." this is another case like att and time warner where you wonder if the president is doing this because he's motivated by important marketplace reasons or more by personal animus. >> hadas, thank you very much. listen to this story. all 22 women in the u.s. senate, democrats and republicans, demanding a vote on that stalled congressional sexual harassment legislation. in a letter to senate leadership the women expressed, quote, deep disappointment in the senate's inaction. the bill would update the current law from 1995 streamlining the process for reporting sexual harassment and providing new resources for staffers. the house already passed the measure. is the united front a message to trump ahead of his meeting with kim jong-un? we'll get that in "the bottom line" next.

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north korea and china apparently shoring up their rocky alliance. they had this secretive meeting. what does it mean for president trump's still unscheduled meeting with kim jong-un. let's get "the bottom line" with cnn executive director mark preston. mark, hi. what is the buzz in washington about this meeting with kim jong-un and president xi? >> a couple things. i think ambassador pickering who you had on a short time ago was right in saying it's good we're having these meetings, that the dialogue is happening and china is involved. for this to be fixed, the united states and china is going to have to do it coequally. what was not a very smart move was for president trump to allow the south koreans to be the ones to go to the white house and come out and announce this forthcoming meeting between kim jong-un and president trump was actually going to take place.

when you look at overall what the american people think about it, they support the idea. they support the idea that these talks between president trump and kim jong-un come through and they support it pretty healthily. 62% of americans in the most recent cnn poll. discussion means we're not launching nuclear warheads at one another. i think we should be happy about that. >> that's on the positive side. on the negative side they've got attempts of litigation of the personal variety coming at the president. what are you hearing about their level of concern and their concern as to whether or not he'll stay quiet? >> silence is deafening. we have not heard president trump come out and talk at all about stormy daniels, certainly not by twitter. what i thought was interesting in the past couple days is that stormy daniels had one sexual encounter with the president. it wasn't a long-term relationship necessarily. this other woman, karen mcdougal, seemed to have a very

long relationship yet our focus is on stormy daniels. two reasons, she's an actress in the pornographic industry. she's an adult pornographic actress and michael avenatti is doing a very good job of marketing his case right now. >> they're also alleging an illegal payment and that there were threats and potential duress in the making of that nda. so they have a couple more irons in the fire than mcdougal does who is basically going after ami. she had a different financial relationship with someone not related to trump. it's a little bit different. >> it is a little bit different but it is interesting. our focus is on avenatti and he hasn't necessarily proven anything. let's face it, what's $130,000 payment from michael cohen to stormy daniels for? that's certainly not just because they're friends. let us just put aside the charade that obviously president trump is trying to cover up something. can we at least acknowledge

that? >> no, we can't. we can't acknowledge that because michael cohen says he was doing it to protect his dear friend, donald trump. >> from what? >> protect him from what, alisyn? >> from a false accusation. >> you can take care of that in a court of law. we know that donald trump and michael cohen are very litigious. this payment was done right before the election. obviously there's a reason for it. >> i think a lot of people would say it's easier to pay $130,000 than to go through litigation. i'm telling you what michael cohen says. we haven't been able to connect the dots to donald trump, that he definitively knew about it or directed it. >> he doesn't have to except for campaign finance purposes. the fec thing i thought is a little bit of a red herring. at the end of the day, it results in a fine. >> toothless. >> it's a crime. >> what's the exposure? that's why i keep saying the word exposure as opposed to consequence. if he pays a infoo, it doesn't

change anything for him. but it does make him a really pronounced liar in a chain of events where there were lies and a pattern of tactics. >> but we're not there yet. >> i'm saying that's why it matters. he's saying the timing looks bad and, of course, it does. >> i understand. circumstantially i get it. i'm saying those dots haven't been connected yet, mark. >> there's two courts right now, the court of law and the court of public opinion. right now the court of public opinion is on donald trump's side. 51% of americans are saying it's okay for these women to break their contracts, non-disclosure agreements and move forward. that's not a very high number. what's important for donald trump right now is that 68% of evangelical voters still support donald trump regardless of all this information. >> even though more of them believe the women than believe donald trump. >> correct, correct, correct. that's the court of public opinion. donald trump seems to be doing okay there. in a court of law, this is a very difficult thing for him to get pinned down on. we'll see what michael avenatti

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