good to move away from conflict with north korea. but the experts are saying it's a long road ahead. wolf. >> at least there have been no ballistic missile or nuclear tests since last november. that's somewhat encouraging. barbara star at the pentagon, thanks very much. thanks it for me. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront next, breaking news, shulkin out. the president announcing the oust steer of a top secretary on twitter. replacing him with the white house doctor. is trump adding to roster of yes men? plus was there talk of pardon for michael flynn and paul manafort? was the president behind those conversations? and stormy daniels attorney, attorney is my guest. let's go outfront. good evening i'm erin

burnett. outfront tonight, president making announcement on twit this afternoon, announcing shulkin replacement to run the second big necessary united states with over 300,000 employees will be trump's white house personnel physician, rony jackson. much more on this stunning announcement in a moment. because the timing here is extremely important. trump's end of the day twitter bomb firing and hiring, coming just hours after a major bombshell drops in the russia investigation. "the new york times" and "washington post" reporting that trump's former lead attorney, john dowd, secretly reached out to the attorneys for michael flynn and paul manafort. they have course are two crucial figures in robert mueller rush investigation. dowd reportedly suggesting that president trump would pardon both flynn and manafort. now, both of these men, of course, have been charged with major crimes by mueller, from lying, to money laundering.

both of them held top positions with trump. flynn as national security adviser and manafort as campaign chairman. to be honest, they were in a position to know things if there are things to be known. which raises the question tonight, was john dowd reportedly dangling out pardons in attempt to previcinity flynn and manafort from flipping and koorting with mueller. at the white house press secretary sarah sanders would not fully deny the president's role in report he had discussions about pardons. >> did the president direct john dowd to talk to the attorneys of them? >> i'm not aware of any of those conversations. >> i'm not aware, which of course is not a no. and it's the wording and the theme we've heard before when talking about possible pardons regarding these two men. >> yesterday the president said that he felt very badly for general flynn.

would he consider pardoning him? >> i'm not aware of that has come up or any process or decision on that front. >> mr. manafort and mr. gates were named in this as things not having to do with the campaign, would the president consider or rule out pardoning either of them? >> i haven't had any conversations with him about that. >> i'm not aware. i haven't had conversations. again, not answering the question. both flynn and manafort have extensive ties to russia. flynn, the president's former national security adviser was under investigation at the time the pardon idea was floated by dowd. for lying to the fbi about conversations with russia's ambassador to the u.s. manafort, former campaign chair, among other things, was at the trump tower meeting with russian lawyer in june of 2016. now, john dowd, of course, quit his job as president's lead attorney last week. so today another russia attorney for the president, ty cobb

related a statement that reads in part, quote, i have only been asked about pardons by the press and routinely responded on the record that no pardons are under discussion or under consideration at the white house. interesting that he added in the words on the record. now, of course under discussion or under discussion you'll also notice cobb uses present test. does not discussion discussions from last year which is when these conversations reportedly happened. keep in mind, both manafort and flynn were charged by mueller last fall. flynn pleaded guilty. but manafort didn't. is that because he's expecting a pardon? it's a question tonight. the president has been repeatedly himself asked about whether he would pardon both men? and here's how he has responded? >> i don't want to talk about pardons for michael flynn yet. we'll see what happens. let's see. >> are you going to pardon manafort? >> thank you. >> dowd himself says as far as he knows, there were no discussions about pardons. and when you hear all this, a

lot of as far as i know, i'm not aware, i haven't had any conversations, not right now, it's a lot of what's coming from the white house team. and it raises some serious questions. outfront tonight jeff zeleny live at the white house. jeff, the president announcing on twitter getting rid of david shulkin, and does it hours after hearing major development involving possible pardons. interesting timing. >> erin, no question the president knows how to change the subject and how these announces these is his own decision. he controls the timing here. we are told that the chief of staff, john kelly here at the white house, informed secretary shulkin of his firing. the president we were told did not reach out to him directly. now, all of this of course is happening after hours and hours of questions here at the white house about the potential pardon. at the white house briefing, as you were showing there. sarah sanders walked a fine line speaking in the present tense saying not that i know of, i'm

not aware of. but the reality here is we know that the president has expressed some interest in pardoning them. so the interesting timing though erin is the timing last year here before flynn actually pleaded guilty. now, there may be not anything wrong with this at all. he is the president. he can decide who he pardons. but raises the question is this going to be part of robert mueller obstruction of justice investigation here. was there some conversation about this before that guilty employee? of course all of this will play out as many things will. but it's stacking up here on a day with another big staff shake-up. erin. >> all right. thank you very much jeff zeleny. outfront now former white house counsel john dean, and urban radio april ryan and former federal prosecutor glen donated who represented president clinton during monica lewinsky. and also represents a client before the special counsel in connection with the ukraine allegations with manafort and

gates. april, let me start with you. the president hits twitter at 5:31, to be exact, p.m., eastern standard time, to say shulkin is out. >> yes. >> as va secretary. more than 300,000 employees. second largest governmental unit. and that his personal doctor at the white house, ronnie jackson will be the new one. is this news tonight? >> it's bothme. it's a distraction as well as trying to take the focus off the situation, and also trying to move the ball forward with va. we know that the president, we've known for weeks that the president has not been happy about the situation with the va secretary. you know, the word was the fact that, you know, all the other secretaries can travel abroad. but why would a va secretary have

have to travel overseas unless they are going to some place like norm andy for commemoration there. and that did not bode well for him and unhappy about that. but it comes at a time strategically placed to be a distraction. this president doesn't want to deal with this issue of pardons, issue of russia, and a source says this is very real, that they put that up, this was a leak story, that they put it out for the pardons to give word to manafort as well as flynn. >> and that's really important part of this. we'll talk much more about the va and chaos in the white house in a moment. because that is an important story. but we are going to talk more about the pardons and do so in detail right now. so, john, do you see anything suspect, if the president's team was in fact discussing pardons with manafort and flynn, leading into their being charged? >> i see a great deal of suspect. john dowd is old enough to remember watergate. and watergate was infected

deeply with pardon promises from richard nixon, both during the cover-up and as the tail end of it when his presidency was ending. and one of the things that was in the bill of impeachment was pardon power. i think john dowd if he has done this, either way this report is going to result in his being asked by the special counsel what he was doing, if he was doing it by himself, he could be notched in obstruction. if he was doing it with the president, he could be involved in conspiracy to obstruct. so this is pretty serious charge that came out from very good journalism. >> glen? >> well, erin, thanks for having me again. i think it's important to note at the outset, that mr. dowd at least according to the story, adamantly denies he discussed pardons with any of the private laursz. he's had distinguished career in government and private practice. he was a marine. i take his denial seriously and

hard to make of this developing story. assuming the allegations are true, i agree with john, i think its really problematic. there are very smart lawyers on both sides of the debate as to whether the exercise of the pardon power or here contemplated pardon. but no person would be want to be near that. >> this is the thing, even after manafort and flynn were charged, now you have this reporting, raising questions about as to why, right. is he hold hadding out expectation of a pardon or what? after the charge, the president still had very nice things publicly he came out and said about flynn and manafort. here he is first hearing about manafort, and then flynn. >> i feel badly for him. because i always found him to it be a very nice person. >> i feel badly for general flynn. i feel very badly. he's led a very strong life. and i feel very badly.

>> john, is that just what you'd expect from the president or sound like he's trying to send a message? >> i think he's clearly sending a message in those bouquets he's sending out to former aides to hang tight. i think it's quite obvious. and somebody must have advised him somewhere along the line, he has to be careful. this is a dangerous ground. could be obstruction. but he can't resist himself. this is his nature as well. >> april, you know, we are also learning prosecutors say they have made a major connection between the deputy campaign chairman, rick gates, right, very close associate to paul manafort to ties with russian service, and we understand this happened during the campaign in the fall of 2016, right before the voting, that person ties existed in 2016. gates was aware of this, this tie to return intelligence that he was working with this person who ws a close business colleague of himself, and paul

manafort. how significant, april, is this development tonight? >> it basically substantiates for many and some that were skeptical that this is real. and, also, you know, granted there is no crime for collusion, but there are other avenues that this links to that could really spell trouble for this president and his presidency as it relates to the democracy and the democratic process of the u.s. election process. so this actually just is one of those factoids that you can stand on. it's not speculation. it's not myth now. it's one of those facts that they have to say this is something that really could point to the president or those close to the inner circle. so it moves the ball forward. >> and it certainly does with a known tie to intelligence. thank you very much all three of you. and next more on the

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how this firing went down? this is one of the ones president was going to dor, for whatever reason chose to do it now. >> that's right. and this is no surprise shulkin found out he was fired from phone call chief of staff john kelly. staff said sort of distraction and dead man walking with the news that the president was going to fire him. so chief of staff john kelly told him he was fired same way former secretary of state rex tillerson found out phone call from the chief of staff that not from the president himself. we had been told that the president was speaking to people close, allies, saying he wanted to fire shulkin. a lot of staffers have wondered out loud to me why shulkin didn't quit? writing was on the wall he was going to be firedment and i'm

told that things really soured between the president and va secretary earlier this year when shulkin was subject of damming report from inspector general that found serious derelictions between them. before that, though, he was well-liked. the president, those around him liked him. and really remarkable to see how quick quickly he fell and how he found out today. >> and it was john kelly who made the call, no tt the president. the president is nominating his white house doctor to replace shulkin. jackson raved about the president's house in remarks to reporters answering all questions. is jackson qualified to lead this department, second largest, 300 employees? >> really remarkable. second largest agency. this is a man who had a med eric

rise ever since he was there, in the press briefing room giving the president a clean bill of health. you'll recall that day. and this was amid all the speculation about the president's fitness to be in office and so forth. tam tamped that down. and ever since then promoted. admiral to physician to that. now to oversee the second largest agency in the government. those who have come before him, erin, have had a long track record of running agencies or companies. but i'm told that the president has mentioned his name to those around him as a possible replacement for shulkin and those around him actually kind of laughed off the idea, erin. they didn't think that he was actually serious about it, given his lack of experience, running an agency but here we are now it appears he will, erin. >> certainly serious. thank you very much, pamela. and outfront now in former white house adviser steven moore and

rice. thanks to both. shulkin has been on death watch as we have been saying for weeks. president wanted to get rid of him let it drag out in public which is humiliating from shulkin which clearly made bad decisions when it comes to travel. but we are now 50% according to brookings. is there a method to the madness of running an administration this way? >> well, it is madness. i don't think there is a method very much, erin. the problem is when you run an administration in which you have so much turnover and the president is actually firing like mad, it creates a kind of chilling effect through the administration. people don't know how long they'll be there. their assistance and career civil service doesn't know what kind of the management structure is going to be. these are complicated departments. i ran a department and i served in three separate

administrations. it takes a long time to figure out what you are doing. i mean, even at the best of times. and even if you have the full support of your president. let me say one other thing. this is a president who has demanded loyalty. he wants loyalty. that's all he talks about is loyalty. wants people to sign loyalty oaths. but this is a man, a president who has not been very loyal to the people who work for them, leaving them twist inning the wi -- twisting in the wind like that. >> steve, can i ask you, because when it comes to loyalty, trump likes dr. who is white house doctor, gave him clean bill of health. here's some of the things that jackson said about trump. >> there is no indication whatsoever that he has any cognitive issues. president very sharp. very articulate. a lot of energy and stamina. look at his vision, he's 71 years old, he can drive if he wants to without glasses. washes his hands frequently.

es uses purel. he'll be fit for duty if he's elected for another term. >> steve, look, he's a doctor, respected doctor. is he the best man to run the second largest agency in the united states, or is this the yes man he wants? if trump is watching, that's why i picked that guy. >> let me say a couple of things of the first of all, in response to what robert said, all this talk, crisis in the white house, madness, but you know old saying, new saying i should say, that donald trump is the worst president ever unless you look at results. and what's happening with the economy, bob, and jobs, and all these things are so positive, and that's what -- >> steve, i understand this is the positive you have to make. but can you answer my question? is he the best man for the job? or does the president want a yes man. >> i think the president should have in the agency who he wants. but my point is this, when you ask the question, both of you

about loyalty, what impresses me about donald trump is do you know who he's loyal to? he's loyal to the people who voted for him. he is checking all of the boxes of things that he said he was going to do. he's doing tax cuts. deregulation. pulling out of these treaties and so on. and that i think is the most important thing. >> i'm not going to get into this but interesting articles on trade specifically and hurts his base more than anything else. hold on. i want to -- hold on please steve. i want to talk more about dr. jackson on this specific point though and how trump picked him. because it does matter who you pick to do jobs. >> certainly. >> we know the trump is obsessed with image. mar-a-lago praised rony jackson looks specificalliment and we have the tape. by the way, here he is. >> he's like central casting. became a hollywood star. >> and an appearance matters. here is trump talking about

other people and how appearance matters when he picks people to work for him. >> he has been so wonderful to work with. he's a real talent. and real guy. and central casting. do we agree. central casting. i see my generals central calling, if i'm doing a movie, i pick you, general, general mattis. >> is that just words, robert, or is that how he actually makes picks? >> no, i think that's how he's picked people. not everybody, obviously. but looked at rex tillerson and said rex tillerson looks like a secretary of state. i mean, for a television personality, that's what trump is, and a marketer, and that's what trump is and has been, you are not hiring qualified people. he's not hiring qualified people. he is hiring people who look the part or are sicko fants who basically told him what he wants to hear. this is not the way to run a government. this is a complex set of

institutions and it's dangerous to pick people that way. and it's dangerous not to give them enough time to actually learn their jobs. >> steven, i want to ask you a question here where we are on the process. so if you want to make the argument he needed to get the people out he didn't like. hope hicks quit her post and last day today. most names is kellyanne conway top trump adviser. her husband sent a tweet today, he wrote this is flabbergasting. and then he put a link to the "new york times" article about trump's lawyer talking about pardons in the russia investigation. and that's not the first time her husband has done this sort of thing. when trump fires people after saying they are safe, which is what we are talking about, he writes, so true, it's absurd, which is why people are banking down the doors to be comps

director. then when joe digenova was hired, i don't know what happened with that, anyway the day he was hired, he writes the chickens didn't have time to leave the barn. kellyanne conway have not responded to us. what's going on? it's pretty significant. this is the husband of president's most trusted adviser here. >> i don't know. i can't respond to that. but i'll say this i think what trump is doing is, look, this is a business man president. right. this is the first president we've had in a long, long time who understands business. and you look at the way he ran his successful businesses. if people weren't -- by the way this is the way most ceos operate. if you are not performing you get fired. and the problem is exactly opposite in the problem you see in government. people don't get fired for malperformance not doing their job. you have career civil service system where people there 25

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trying to force president trump to testify under oath. daniels lawyer has now filed a motion in federal court seeking to depose the president and his lawyer michael cohen. the reason they say to find out whether the president wags aware of the agreement and whether he agreed to it. now, keep in mind michael cohen has admitted he paid stormy daniels $130,000 to keep quiet about her alleged affair with the president. hearing date is april 30th t also michael cohen represented the trump administration in other matters as well. let's get straight down to it, is michael cohen going to sit down with a deposition. >> he won't get to that point. but this case is completely frivolous. the defamation case doesn't even come close to making out defamation. you have to prove that the statement is false. it's one of the elements, has to be a false statement. when you loo can at the statement he made, not even close on its face that it's a

false statement. how could anyone assume it's a false statement the way he worded that. so the judge will look at that and not even close to be defamation on its face. that will be thrown out. >> but if it isn't and he is told to sit down he will, he won't be in contempt, he'll sit down? >> of course he will. but he won't have to in that case. >> the question now is stom attorney michael avenatti is saying, look, ordinarily 7 plus hours. i'm not asking for that t i'm asking for two hours because i want to get straight to it. i'm not asking about other women. asking about this case. very specific asking questions. why not do it? why not come out and do it under oath? >> it's so reasonable. so he wants to depose the president. yeah everyone wants to get the chance to depose the president for two hours. look. >> there is it a precedent for the way for the president to be deposed paula jones mentioned in this filing. >> of course. and he may be deposed in other cases i'm not saying he won't be. but in this particular case they are seeking a declare tar i

judgment so now you have the defamation, we just covered that. now you have the declaratory judgment. this is an iron solid contract. it is a contract. she signed the contract. she received the benefit of the contract. it was signed by the other party. >> meaning she received $130,000. >> absolutely. and signed on the other side. so the judge will look at this contract say what are you talking about here? you had an attorney present also attorney who negotiated it. >> there are some crucial issues aside from whether or not they had all the details of the sex they talked about that night. the issue is she was paid $130,000. >> right. >> days before the election. was it done to influence the election and did the president know about t and that's what avenatti is saying he wants to get to the bottom of in this filing. and sarah sanders was asked specific by about this today. did the president know about the $130,000. did he know it was possible and nondisclosure agreement itself. and here's how the exchange went

down. >> you haven't answered the substantive question about whether the president was aware of the $130,000 payment that was made under agreement in which he is explicitly named to keep stormy daniels silent. can you answer that question? you were asked three weeks ago you weren't aware. are you aware now? >> look, the president has denied the allegations. we've spoken about this issue extensively. and i don't have anything to add beyond that. anything beyond that i would refer you to the outside counsel. >> seems like a simple question and you are michael cohen spokesperson in this. so you can you say the president was never aware of the $130,000 aware of the agreement itself? >> the president was not aware of the agreement. at least michael cohen never told him about the agreement. i can tell you that. you asked a whole bunch of questions let me cover that. you asked about 12 days ago. >> not aware of the agreement. how about the money? >> he was not aware of any of it. wasn't told about it. michael cohen left the option open. that's why he left that

signature line. the option open to go to him. he chose not to. he chose to bind the lc. ecllc and stormy daniels into the contract. now you ask why? people are scratching their head why 12 days before? >> because that's when the attorney approached michael cohen. stormy daniels attorneys approached michael cohen. >> maybe she thought her story was valuable coming into the election. >> she admitted that on "60 minutes." >> but if you are paying off $130,000 before the election, isn't that violation of the law? >> absolutely not. that's speculation and guesswork. bottom line is -- >> why pay it at all? >> erin, so this is done every single day in this country. you pay it off to avoid litigation. you pay it off to protect family. you pay it off to protect business. and you pay it off to protect reputation. that's what's done. politicians enter into these.

tv personality. business people. >> i understand what you are saying. a lot of people do it. >> this has nothing to do with avenatti. why is this in avenatti papers? federal election case that's for federal election commission. nothing to do with this. >> here's what i do think is important. it would be unthreat cal, lawyers would say, for a lawyer, michael cohen, to go into agreement, nondisclosure agreement and payoff a porn star $130,000 without telling his client about it. that would be unthreat cal thing to do. here's my question. if he did not tell the president not president at the time he could be disbarred. >> i don't accept that. >> if he has to choose eventually between the president lying for him, and himself, who is he going to choose? >> i don't understand -- let me break that down. the bottom line is, you know, he's going to tell the truth as to what took place. and what took place is very

clear. okay. the other laura approached him. it happened to have coincide with the election. she admitted on "60 minutes" she was shopping the case around. she admits that. >> can you answer to me why he wouldn't have told the client $130,000 to a porn star? >> his client is under the agreement, binding party. donald trump in this agreement he's a third party beneficiaryry. i know you are smiling at me but these are legal concepts. >> i understand they are legal concepts. >> he's a third party beneficiary. he didn't have an understanding. if you do understand, and you do somewhat, you understand trump structure, and michael cohen it was much more than attorney and client. >> i understand what michael cohen role was, very close to the president, makes it harder for me to imagine he didn't tell the president because i do know about michael cohen role. >> because he's that close to him he had great latitude to handle these matters. >> so they happened with such

frequency that you wouldn't need to tell him about $130,000 payment. >> michael was the fixer. there were a ton of matters that michael fixed. donald trump wasn't involved in every single matter. all right. and the other reason. >> i understand that. >> there was a line there for dd. >> david dennison. >> it was blank. right. that's evidence he didn't go to donald trump because the line was blaeng. he left the line blank. >> understood. but i'm making a point you wouldn't go to him only if it happened so frequently you wouldn't need to. when these things come along you take care of it. >> it doesn't have to be sexual in nature. it cob any business problem. believe me, michael cohen got calls 3:00 in the morning. mick alan i would be at dinner and boss calling him all the time. so always problems, in any business always problems.

>> thanks. >> thank you. >> and we'll talking about this. and are they testing the faith that evangelical has on this president. and maybe politicians are just like us. and the picture everyone is talking about.

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for president trump. no events for growing questions porn star and karen mcdougal. outfront jerry feiwell president of christian university in the world. important question. jerry, at this point, do you think the president needs to come out and address these allegations directly or not? >> well, i know he's already denied the allegations. and first of all i appreciate you having me on. i'm here to give my perspective on this. but i don't think he needs to come forward. i think everyone knows his past. i'm one of the 85% of evangelical who supported him. we knew about his past as real estate mogul, playboy as part of a beauty pageant and we

supported him for one reason, position on issues. i never accused bill:00 wh clin even though i didn't agree with his politics. and i think we need to be focused on the issues. when you choose a doctor or lawyer, or when you decide which movie to watch, you don't check the doctor or the lawyer's past to see if they've had an extra marital affair. i enjoy movies, whether the actors and ac rests have behaved their whole lives or not. same thing with musicians. it's just that we are all sinners. nobody understands that better than evangelicals. that's why we are christians baugh we all believe we need forgiveness. >> some in your community feel differently than you. bob van der plat is one of them another top leer. he says if they are true, he

must apologize. here's how he put it. >> i believe if these affairs are true, he should own it, he should confess it, he should say i'm sorry. he should reach out to melania trump and his family. he should also reach out to country and say he's sorry. >> why is he wrong about the public part of that? reaching out to this country and saying i'm sorry? >> i know bob well, and i respect his opinion. not all evangelicals agree. they are diverse in their opinions and i respect his opinion. i just don't happen to agree with it. and i believe what jesus said, that he is without sin cast the first stone. i believe he said judge not, jesus said judge not let be be judged many and i think it's aur job to see where donald trump stands on the issues. reason we supported had imis they wanted to see some of the 70,000 factories we lost because

clinton signed nafta come back to this country some of the jobs comes back. fair trade agreements, national security. north korea coming to the table now because of president trump's toughness. and, you no he, i was born in 1962. as i this i back offer my life, probably only one president who was above reproach, both professionally and personally, and that was jimmy carter. and he happens to be our commencement speaker in may here at liberty university. >> that's interesting. >> but i don't agree with him on hardly any political issues. >> but point out moral, i mean, obviously famous for saying i have sind in the heart, admitting that publicly even though he never acted on t but felt it was worthwhile to admit that. >> that's exactly what jesus said. >> i want to play something that's maybe a lit hard to hear, but stormy daniels and karen mcdougal have both shared some frankly early similar stories about how the president downplayed his marriage during their alleged affairs and compared them to his daughter.

let me just play that. >> we passed a room, and he said, this is melania trump's room, she likes to have her alone time or get away to read or something like that. >> he brushes it it aside, don't worry about that, we have separate rooms and stuff. >> very proud of ivanka trump, as he should be, she's a brilliant woman. he said i was beautiful like her. she's a smart girl. >> he said wow you are smeshl. you remind me of my daughter. you are smart, beautiful, and woman to be reckoned with. >> and, look, that's unpleasant to hear. but it doesn't give you any pause when you think about these women having the same stories and saying these things about the president about his behavior? >> "access hollywood" video came out i was one of the few who said i believe donald trump was different than he was in 2005 when that happened. and i really believe that. he's had a clang of heart.

i think he's changed in the positive way. i don't think there is any chance of anything like this happening in the white house like bill clinton was accused of or john kennedy was accused of. >> would that be a red line if it did, is that what would change it for you or no? >> i think it's different while you are in the white house, because it puts you in a position where you could be blackmailed on policy or other things. and i don't know what the law is on that, but i am an attorney, but i don't know in that specific point. but i do think it is a little different. whether it be a line for me or not, you know, i still go back to the issues. i think just like with bill clinton, many of his supporters stuck with him no matter what he was accused of, even rape, i believe he was accused of. and, you know, it's a hypothetical question, so i can't really answer it. >> but hypothetically you would be okay with even that, is that what you are opening the door to, rape?

>> no, no. i'm just saying i have to wait and see the circumstances to make that judgment. >> all right. well, jerry, i appreciate your time. thanks for coming on, as always. >> thank you very much. >> and next protests heating up tonight in sacramento on the eve of stephon clark funeral. why is the white house call tg a local matter. and why some politicians can't seem to get technology right. all it takes is 4 feedings, with a scotts solution for every season. and with a customized plan from the scotts my lawn app, your yard can look like pete's. it's that easy. this is a scotts yard. download the scotts my lawn app for your personalized plan. a car you can command when does that require mind-control? no.

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>> you have the issue, we are in the midst of an issue that happened, the shooting of a young man in california behind his grandmother's house with a cell phone. >> this is a local matter and something we feel that should be up to the local authorities at this time. >> protesters are gathering right now marching through the streets of sacramento. what are you learning tonight? >> reporter: well, first of all, with these protesters, i would say several dozen of them. walking the streets of downtown sacramento. and i have been here for the past week, erin and the anger is definitely not dissipating. if anything, it has become more intense. tomorrow there will be the memorial service for stephon clark and expecting as many as 500 people to attend.

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tonight, what happens when politicians meet technology, here is jeanne moos. >> reporter: should it worry us that president trump's informal adviser for cybersecurity was nabbed wearing his air pod the upside down. >> do i have something in my teeth? >> reporter: with air pods in his ears, the photo went viral. this is the correct way to wear air pods but at least the former new york mayor didn't confuse an air pod for a blow-dryer. the red panda obviously missed apple's launch. meets the presence of a 73 politician. the mockery was mercious.

jokes about maybe he forgot to take out q tips or cigarettes for later. giuiliani told the new york post he had no idea he was wearing them wrong. every day items can challenge politicians. from mitt romney, iron himself to hillary swiping her metro card five times. only to have snl reeenact the snafu. >> i'll take a cab. >> reporter: and when george w. bush felt himself shrink wrapped in a poncho. ellen got him a new one. and no wonder rudy wore them

wrong, his up is down. cnn, new york. >> oh, all right. thanks for joining us. and don't feorget, you can watc "outfront" any time you want. just go to cnn go. ac 360 with anderson cooper begins right now. >> good evening, two new developments in the russia probe. links to or connections with russians. a new court filing from the special council says the deputy campaign council regates. so that is one story tonight. and the other goes straight to the question did the president through his personal attorney by offering only what a president can deliver,