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can't answer that. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day". president trump fired his embattled v.a. secretary and tapped his white house doctor to replace him. the president insists dr. ronny jackson is highly trained is and qualified. however, dr. jackson has no real management experience. if confirmed, he will run the federal government's second largest department which has hundreds of thousands of employees and continues to be plagued by in efficiencies. all right. the latest white house shakeup is happening as the white house times is reporting that former lawyer john dowd floated the idea of pardoning michael flynn and paul manafort at the same time that the special counsel was building cases against both men. was dowd trying to influence flynn and manafort from cooperating with the investigation? if so, and the president knew,

you have another big piece in what might be part of an obstruction investigation. let's begin our coverage. abby phillip live at the white house with our top story. good morning, ab. >> reporter: good morning, chris. another day, another turnover. another day of tumult here at the white house. this time it is the v.a. secretary david shulkin who is out and the president's personal physician coming into the new role. he has developed a rapport with the president. but questions are being raise build his qualifications to take on the big, sprawling and troubled bureaucracy at the v.a. president trump firing embattled veterans affairs secretary david shulkin, the latest in a series of high-profile departures in the last month. sources tell cnn that chief of staff john kelly notifying shulkin of his termination in a phone call before the president made it public on twitter. his departure was expected after damaging revelations that he and his wife used taxpayer dollars for a european trip, in which

four officials told him not to take. in a new op ed, shulkin saying he was falsely accused and the toxic chaotic environment prevented him from doing his job. in a surprise move, president trump tapping his white house physician navy admiral jackson as nominee to head the v.a. white house officials saw it he was pleased with how he handled questions, praising his health back in january. >> there is no indication whatsoever that he has cognitive issues. his overall health is excellent. i told him if he got healthy, he might live to be 200 years old. he has incredible genes. >> reporter: a source tells cnn that mr. trump has been floating jackson's name during recent conversations with advisers but wasn't taken seriously. this upheaval as the white house faces new questions about whether president trump offered to pardon two top advisers at the center of the russia probe

in exchange for their silence. the "new york times" reports that the president's former lead lawyer john dowd discussed the idea of mr. trump pardoning fired national security adviser michael flynn and former campaign chairman paul manafort with their lawyers last year if they were to be criminally charged in the special counsel's investigation. the "washington post" reports that these conversations took place last summer before manafort was charged with financial crimes and before flynn cut a deal with mueller in exchange for pleading guilty for lying to the fbi. the white house dodging questions, reading a statement from the white house lawyer ty cobb. >> no pardons are under discussion or under consideration at the white house. >> reporter: dowd denies having any discussions related to pardons even after reports surfaced back in july after mr. trump was considered granting pardons to those under investigation. >> the president has even inquired about the ability to pardon himself. >> reporter: as recently

as december, the president leaving open the possibility of pardoning flynn. >> i don't want to talk about pardons for michael flynn yet. we'll see what happens. >> reporter: believe it or not, it is infrastructure day here at the white house. we will see the president in six days when he goes to cleveland before leaving for florida for the easter weekend, hal sin and chris. thank you very much, ab. let's bring in cnn political analyst john avlon and alex burns. what are you laughing about? >> every time there is an infrastructure day, it is like bad mojo. it is an invitation to chaos. >> you also found it amusing? >> i like to live every day like it is is infrastructure day. john is right. it is sort of a kick me sign. >> can we talk about the

appointment of dr. ronny jackson as new head of the v.a. alex, you have reporting. how are runs in the senate going to feel about this appointment? >> i would put their feelings in two buckets. one is the practical bucket of, uh, i have to spend weeks now on another confirmation. we already have a secretary of state victory. he is talking about shaking up other cabinet departments. we have maybe four months of productive time left in this year if we're going to get anything done. it would be super useful to not have a bunch of confirmation hearings stepped up. that is just the generalized complaint. specific to the ronny jackson choice, there is a sense of bewilderment. the president was floating this guy. he was not taken seriously as a choice. now here he is. are they going to have to go out and defend him. >> it was like his personal pilot being the faa secretary kind of thing? >> or harry myers for supreme

court. sit a very important job that happens to be vacant and it's not totally clear if the qualifications line up. you know, jackson clearly is an impressive person in some respects. but he has never faced this kind of scrutiny. it's not clear that he is up to seniority of outlining a vision for the bureaucracy. >> unless he hides it on his resume, the one that's available online, he has never managed anything significant ever. the rank doesn't designate responsibilities necessarily. and you get automatic admission as a professional. he probably came in as a major. that said, absent personal scandal that we don't know, what is the chance that the republicans don't push this through and some democrats don't help along in this confirmation? because it's who the president wants. >> yeah. we all know in this environment, republicans are overwhelmingly inclined to do what the president wants. this guy is -- did a great job defending the president or talking to the press for over an

hour after his physical. he has served in the military in iraq. he was appointed by obama, degree of bipartisan support. but, this is about $186 billion budget over 300,000 employees. this is a management job. that experience is important. but, you know, it is actually essential to have management experience. now, will they confirm him? probably. the republicans control it and they are inclined to do whatever the president wants. but that hearing will be more contentious and revealing that people expect. >> in terms of the big turnover rate, it was suddenly 44% before shulkin was ousted. you think that president trump is quite aware of the clock ticking on the midterms and that's why he's doing some of these things now. >> i couldn't speak to where he is personally. people in the administration with more government experience are very aware of the be fact, look, they already lost one sentencing in alabama. that has made it much tougher to

get anybody confirmed. you lose one more senate seat and you can forget about a lot of judgeships, these middle-tier, lower profile cabinet departments. and every time they lose even a little grouped, the president has a tougher time shaking up the administration. in a lot of ways this is the last window for him to make these big changes and be able to assume a level on of deference from congress. it will be in the throes of a campaign year. every selection he makes will be a lightning wrong even more intensely than it is now. >> let me stay with you on a reporting front. the word of dowd, the former trump lawyer, having communications with the counsel for flynn and manafort that may have involved pardons. eult was going on when they were trying to figure out if they were going along with special

counsel or fight the case, how is that resonating in the white house? >> well, look, it freaks the the hell out of people in washington just in general. it is seen as a political red line. if the president starts issuing pardons. i was talking to eric holder. interesting view for a democrat. the president's pardon power is absolute. >> yeah. >> he can absolutely do that. they walk free. but it is totally fair game then for congress, for special counsel to scrutinize the process behind the pardon and was there any intent to anybody up and down the chain to interfere with this and does that expose the president legally if he just let the investigation take its course. >> one thing is clear. the president has a right to pardon. the second is murky. can that lead to obstruction claim or something else on a higher level. there is every indication the president will do whatever he thinks he can get away with. he has been constrained by

lawyers to some extent. but this floating the idea of pardons seems to be something whether or not he can in influence him for not flipping. my guess is there will be more to come. >> the white house is pushing back and saying that's not true. the president hadn't actually offered that up. >> yet. >> he did say yet. it seems even if he did, michael flynn decided that was not the best avenue. >> also, we don't know that because dowd was discussing it that means that trump was motivating it. you know, this could shake out, yes, dowd was having is these conversation cans but he was having them on his own accord. we have seen him do that before. came out with a statement like trump would say. when checked he said this is my personal opinion, ending mueller, getting rid of mueller. he may jump on this sel as well. >> he may. dowd is no-no longer in the camp.

that increases the chances that people will speak more forth rightly, freely and not just being overheard at a steakhouse. >> one thing we have seen a few times is mueller and investigators are going after people's lawyers and challenging attorney/client privilege are scrutinizing what the lawyers themselves are doing. if you're not john dowd, you're not transacting privilege on behalf of the president every single day you have to imagine the possibility of some risk and personal exposure there. >> thank you very much. >> all right. so v.a. secretary dr. david shulkin the latest trump cabinet member to be shown the door. is the president done cleaning house? almost a 50% turnover rate. we will ask former trump campaign manager corey lewandowsky next. -here comes the rain.

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v.a. secretary dr. david shulkin is out. president trump has now shed half of his senior staff. it's just march. the president tapping white house physician dr. ronny jackson to lead the second

biggest department in the federal government. does he have management experience? not that we know of. what will we learn in this confirmation process? we will see. trump's former campaign manager and current chief strategist for america first action. he's also the co author of the book "let trump be trump." good to see you, sir. >> good morning, chris. how are you today. >> i'm doing well. thank god. what do you know about dr. ronny jackson and the strength of this pick? >> i know admiral jackson is career military officer. he served under two presidents as white house physician. he is a man who understands the v.a. because he has used it for his entire career as it relates to health care and understands the problems that veterans face having been an active duty military officer for his entire professional career. if we want somebody who understands the problems veterans face, who better than

one who is going to retire and take over this position to understand the problems that veterans face. >> part of the answer to that question is someone who has managed something before, let alone the second biggest bureaucracy of 377,000 plus employees and about $250 billion flowing through it. do you know of any management experience of anything near that scale that the admiral has? >> well, chris, i think if you look back and you look at the previous v.a. secretaries, those who supposedly had management experience who have come in, we have seen disasters under their regimes. the tragedies that took place in phoenix, arizona from a v.a. secretary who had management experience. that didn't help save the lives for the veterans waiting for care in phoenix, arizona. the president is taking a military person and understands the karas it relates to the vca

to the v.a. we can criticize him if we want to. previous leadership experience of large agencies does not directly correlate to getting the veterans the care that they need. >> that's a fair point. it doesn't mean that having management experience is a negative. knowing what the problem is matters. knowing how to fix it has to matter, corey, it just does. we have seen it in the past management led to bad outcomes so we don't want someone with management experience. that's silly. >> of course it matters. the significant job of the veterans affairs administration is to take care of those people, especially our veterans, the great men and women who served our country and take care of health care. >> sure. >> who better than the admiral who is the white house physician appointed by the obama administration to serve in that capacity who understands the problems getting did quality health care. we need to do a better job taking care of our veterans.

this admiral understands that and is going to put a new leadership in place at the v.a. to make sure they have the health care they need. >> you think a doctor who is in the military but has no management experience is the best choice the president could make for this? >> i think if i was a veteran and i wanted to make sure that i have the best health care possible because i have served my country, i want a doctor who understands the needs that i have and a person who can say we're going to have a better v.a. system than we have had under bureaucrats -- >> the general was a four star army germ with a high command in the u.s. military. sit not like they have had a bunch of rubes in there. david shulkin ran hospitals. it ain't worked yet. not well enough for the veterans. they still have huge and seemingly in tractable problems. so hopefully things get better

and we will see the confirmation. let me ask you about another bit of have you heard intrigue. have you heard that the president is talking to rob porter is and may be considering bringing him back? >> you know, i haven't heard that. i don't know if that's true or not. i saw a report on that. i don't think the president is going to be bringing rob porter back to the white house. that role has since been filled. i know the president has thanked him for his service, which was widely reported months ago. i have no understanding or confirmation that any conversation took place between those individuals. >> so you don't new he would bring him back. that's important to note. the president has been very quiet about this new wave of opponents he has in the form of these three women with their litigation. maybe there will be more. we don't know yet. stormy daniels's attorney said he is vetting other women. why do you think he has been so quiet about these opponents?

>> the president has been clear they are false, so he doesn't want to address them. >> he hasn't come out and said that about the way he did in the past. that's why i'm asking. he is much more quiet this time. why? >> i believe his attorney has sued stormy daniels. she lacks correct on a go credibility on a good day. there was a decision of hire own to change her opinion now and come forward and change her story. what is the truth? the three times she said that nothing took place or now she is trying to profit off a relationship she didn't have the president to cash in and join in a publicity scandal, stunt. what is the truth? what she said the first three times that nothing took place. or now that she has changed her story. nobody really knows. >> do you think this happened? do you think she is telling the truth about what happened

between her and the president or she's lying ? >> i think she's telling the truth that nothing ever happened. she said it on three separate occasions that nothing took place. she said it in writing, very publicly on those three occasions. only recently did she decide to change that story. you have to call into question her credibility. >> karen mcdougal, do you think she's telling the truth? >> i don't know karen mcdougal, stormy daniels. i can only tell you what my conversations have been and what i have heard, that the president denied these and he has the right to do it. >> he definitely has the right to do it. it's whether or not it's the truth. now you have litigation. the farther you go down personal lives, the farther away you get from policy matters that are significant to people's lives. now you have litigation and you see who is telling the truth and

there is exposure on that level. let me ask you one more thing, corey. you are interested is and believe that the white house is interested in stopping these shootings, right? we all want that as a joint enterprise, right? agreed? >> of course. of course. >> i don't understand the energy that's being exerted in putting up the boogeyman that one side wants to get rid of the second amendment. that's what this is about. the president tweeted the other day it is percolating up in the fringes of the right. why push that when you know there is no meaningful effort to repeal the second amendment. it seems like a tactic to keep the sides apart and not get any reasonable solutions working to this obvious problem. why go this way? >> i think the president's tweet was by the supreme court justice who repealed the second amendment, which was so anti

thet cal. we had a former justice who wrote an op ed who said we should repeal the second amendment. he is on the highest court of the land making decisions that affect every person in the united states and now that they left think repealing the second amendment is something we should consider can. the president's response was we will never repeal the second amendment. >> he made it sound like it is a threat. do you think there is any real momentum anywhere with anyone who is a player in this situation to repeal the second amendment? >> look, i think when you have a former supreme court justice who served on the highest court in the land recommending that, advocating that, potentially influencing his former colleagues -- >> schumer came out and said we don't want this. one of the representatives of the kids group in florida said we don't want this. it's not just stevens.

other people have written these op eds as well. we both know there is no meaningful energy behind this cause. we know it is all but politically impossible for this to happen. so why push -- >> of course it's impossible. >> it is practically politically impossible. >> realistically, are we going to repeal the fourth amendment -- >> nobody is asking to repeal any amendment. but you guys are using it as a boogeyman. >> somebody did ask to repeal it. >> he is retired. it is a distraction. it keeps us apart. i just don't get it. >> this is a former member of the highest court. >> i know who he is. but he is not a player in this. >> he is a player in this. >> he doesn't lead an organization. he's not an elected official. there is no momentum behind any call like this in congress. >> he was a colleague of one of the nine individuals --

>> i know who he is. i know who he was. >> he is trying to influence those people to make decisions based on a tragedy which took place in parkland. whether that issue ever comes to the supreme court, who knows. is he trying to influence his colleagues to crack down on gun control? of course he is. >> cracking down on gun control is very different than repealing the second amendment. i wanted to ask you because we don't need obstacles to cooperation. we need motivation for cooperation. this is something that is not going to happen. >> this president has said let's ban bump stocks. for sure. the president has pushed on that. let's harden our schools. only lawful gun owners that have that. let's have a mental health check. those are all reasonable things. but this justice went so far to make an outrageous --

>> he is the not a player. giving voice to it is another tactic to keep sides apart. that's why i raised it. corey lewandowsky, thank you for your opinion. appreciate it. who exactly is president trump's pick to be the next v.a. secretary? dr. sanjay gupta joins us next to talk about the white house doctor. kevin kevin trusted advice for life. kevin, how's your mom? life well planned. see what a raymond james financial advisor can do for you. well, lik-oh!st of you, i j-very nice.a house. now i'm turning into my dad. i text in full sentences. i refer to every child as chief. this hat was free. what am i supposed to do, not wear it? next thing you know, i'm telling strangers defense wins championships. -well, it does. -right? why is the door open? are we trying to air condition the whole neighborhood? at least i bundled home and auto

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so what exactly do we know about v.a. secretary nominee dr. ronny jackson, the iraq war vet and the white house physician ardently defends the president's heating during a memorable white house briefing. watch this. >> no indication whatsoever that he has any cognitive issues. the president is very sharp, very arctic live. the president's heating is excellent. he's genetics. i told him if he was in better health he might live to be 200 years old. he has incredible genes. >> he should be the head of the 377,000 person organization. >> good news. he's about to be. >> joining us is dr. sanjay

gupta. i'm being sarcastic for a reason. what do we know other than being a doctor and admiral that makes him qualified to run an organization of this scale and complexity? >> well, not much, which i think you're alluding to. he obviously has the ear of the president. look, when it comes to the v.a., ronny jackson has military experience, clearly. medical experience, clearly. he's very supportive and loyal to the president. but this is a large organization. and, you know, it's interesting. you have 9 million, some patients now, who rely on the v.a. for their care. a lot of patients, 170 hospitals around the country, 1,000 clinics. it's a big managerial job. it is a big job of having to run something. now, i don't think that he has experience in running a big organization like that. we don't know where he stands on some of the biggest issues that are confronting the v.a. right

now. you have patients coming out of two wars right now. the numbers are likely to increase. these patients are very unique. they suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder, traumatic brain injury in high numbers. there is a lot of issues going on. it's just not -- we just don't know much about that part of ronny jackson's life. i will tell you i spent some time with him because i was in that press conference that you were just showing. he's clearly able to answer questions and answer questions quickly. i think i was struck by the more hyper bowlic tone. when you talk about facts and data and science and in this case the president's health suggesting that, look, can he live to 200 years? who is to say. i put my hand up and i will say he is not going to live to 200 years. how is he going to blend that

hyperbole. >> sanjay, i remember that. i remember you being in the press briefing room. didn't you take issue also with some of dr. jackson's findings about the president's health? >> yeah. one of the things i was most concerned about is there was all of this -- started the press conference with ten minutes of the lab results and all the testing the president had. one of the big tests performed was a coronary calcium scan of the president's heart. it is an important test, a test that he had done in the past and he just had done again. that was not revealed by dr. jackson at that press conference. it was not revealed in the formal documentation that was then handed out to reporters as part of the president's medical record. that's a big study. that's something you would reveal if it was normal or abnormal, rarpls you would reveal that the test was done and what the findings were. it concerned me that the test results were not done and it

concerned me if you looked at those test results that showed the president had some evidence of mild heart disease. you gave all of these normal test results. why not give them as well? i don't know. it will be a question i imagine he will get again. >> maybe at the confirmation hearing. one of the ironies made him favorable to the president on one level. he's going to get questions about, you know, what he said, whether it was accurate. i think the weight will come up. i really do. sanjay, thank you very much, bud. always appreciate having you on. >> thank you. police in sacramento are bracing for more protests as an unarmed man gunned down by police is laid to rest. the lawyer brings us the family's message next. is

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. stephon clark, unarmed black man shot and killed by police last week, will be laid to rest today as protests continue in sacramento. cnn's dan simon is live in sacramento with more. what's the scene, dan? >> reporter: hi, alisyn. we are at the church where the memorial service will be taking place this afternoon. al sharpton will deliver the eulogy. it is open to the public. in the midst of all of this grief, there is a heightened is sense of anxiety on the streets.

sacramento on edge. >> we are going to reis assess the council meeting. >> as protesters disrupt city council meeting. this is stephon clark's brother who forced the mayor to halt the forum. protesters also blocking the sacramento kings a reason tpharbgs part of escalating tension in the past week after the police shooting death of an unarmed black man. it all began with this. two sacramento police officers, one of them black, responding to a report of someone breaking car windows, fired 20 shots at stefan khrorbg in his grandmother's backyard. police firing after thinking the 22 ready kwraoe was pointing a gun at them. instead, only a cell phone was found nearby. activists seized on that effect. >> direct cell phone to council.

does this look like a gun? >> bottom line, were the officers skrufd at all in the shoot something. >> well, that is what this investigation has to come to the conclusion of at the end. until all the facts are in, until we finish that, i can't answer that. >> the police chief pledged complete transparency, the investigation will be overseen by the state's department of justice. part of the community anger stems from a puzzling moment caught on the body camera video. >> hey, mute. >> moments after the shooting, the officers turned off their microphones. it is allowed under department policy if officers, for instance, have a confidential conversation. it is unclear why they would have shut the mikes off here. the chief acknowledging it raises suspicion. >> it might be and probably is a time to not allow that anymore. >> reporter: the family has hired high-profile attorney benjamin crump. all they want now is justice. a wrongful death lawsuit will

most certainly be coming while protesters continue to take to the streets. the sacramento police officers association is defending officers saying stephon clark basically got into a shooting stance so the officers perceived a threat. here's a brief part of the statement. even as tragic as this event is, we cannot ignore the fact that the shooting was legally justified under the law, within police policy, and in accordance with training. alisyn, more protests are expected tonight but they may not be going back to the sacramento kings. they have developed a partnership with black lives matter sacramento to help find opportunities for black youth. >> thank you very much for all of that reporting. ben gentleman munn crump, the attorney for stephon clash's family. thanks for being here. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> the sacramento police chief quickly released the body cam video. does that give you faith that the investigation that they are now launching will be fair and

transparent? >> well, even though they released video to try to give transparency, that was only one aspect of what happened. the next morning after the tragic shooting where he was shot at 20 times, alisyn, in his grandmother's backyard, she sleeps five feet from where he was executed every night in that house. they told them the reason they had to do that was because he had a gun. and then they had to walk that back. and then the next day they said it was because he had a tool bar, crowbar. and then he only had a cell phone. the clark family is distrustful of anything the police say or does at that point because they were not honest from the very beginning when they asked why did you have to execute him. >> one of the other pieces that shows a lack of transparency is

that the officers muted the microphones on their body cam shortly after the deadly encounter. here's what the police chief said about why that's allowed, why they might have done that. listen to this. >> in the officers training there is a couple type of instances where they are told they can turn off their -- mute their body cameras. those are things like if they're having a personal conversation, if they're talking to a confidential informant or confidential matter. whether they were or were not doing that is a confidential matter. we will determine that. >> what do you think they were having a personal conversation. >> it seems like a very suspicious time to do that. and the family believes that that was when they started to conspire to try to cover this up and justify an unjustified shooting. and number two, members of the civilian review board contacted

my office saying they were outraged because this issue had come up in meetings before with the police leadership where they said officers aren't allowed to turn off their body cameras. they wanted to make sure that was clear. they were told yes. so now when they see this video of stephon clark and they are muting their microphones, they said that was the very issue they wanted to prevent because they wanted transparency. >> so at least five minutes passed between the time that stephon clark was shot and the time the officers approached the body, have they explained that to you or the family? >> they have not announced the important observation. not only did they not give him any warning, they did not identify themselves. but they gave no humanity after they let him lay there dying in the backyard before they tried to attempt to give him

assistance. and from the video it seems like they handcuffed him. so it is troubling on many, many levels for stephon clark's family and so many others around america who have watched this. don't you hear the police saying showing us your hands. they thought when he turned around or whatever is and held up the cell phone, they thought that it was a gun. >> alisyn, it is less than 17 seconds from the moment that they interact with him until they make the decision to execute him. now, it is still problematic because they are barking orders. it doesn't seem like they give any time to comply with with their orders. and this is just here in sacramento. when you look at a larger scale, 73 civilians have been killed by

police bullets since 2015. and it is shocking to some but not to all of us who follow civil rights in america that 70 of those were african-americans. why is it that people can kill children in schools, can bomb homes in austin, texas. the police observe them, don't shoot one bullet. but an african-american man with a cell phone is shot at 20 times. it is a national issue and we have to deal with it and quit trying to exonerate police officers for this dynamic. because we're losing our people at an alarming rate to the people who are supposed to protect and serve us. >> mr. benjamin crump, we will be watching everything unfold in sacramento today. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, alisyn. north korea and south korea set to meet in a couple of weeks. what does it mean for president trump's possible summit with the

north korean leader. heather nauert, state department spokesperson next.

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north korean dictator kim jung-un and south korea i can't's president will hold a summit next month. they have only held talks two since the '50s. this comes as president trump prepares for his own summit with kich kim jung-un. the president tweeting there is a good chance kim jung-un will do what is right for his people and humanity. look forward to our meeting. joining us now is heather nauert. good morning madame undersecretary. >> acting. good morning. grace to see great to see you. >> now with your promotion, i can no longer call you you heather. >> you may always call me heather. >> congratulations. let's talk about north korea. because so many interesting things are happening. so today we get this announcement that kim jung-un is going to be meeting with the president of south korea. of course this comes right on the heels of him having gone to china. meeting with president xi. so look, a lot of our foreign policy experts give of president

trump big kudos for breaking all these stalemates. but is the state department now concerned that kim jung-un is somehow triangulating the united states out of these alliances and meetings? >> no, not at all. we are so closely linked up with the republic of korea. they have been a strong ally for decades along with japan. so the fact that south korea is having talks with north korea, that helped get us to this point. we're closely linked up with them. we talk with them constantly about these upcoming meetings. so we're pleased to see this development. we share information. and you saw them at the white house announce that president trump would be speaking with kim jung-un. we don't have a date for that just yet. we look forward to that possibly happening sometime in the near future. but i think it just shows how closely linked up we are with the republic of korea. >> do you see the meeting in china with president xi as xi

trying to excerpt its influence after feeling blindsided by this summit that president trump will have with kim jung-un? >> china has a tremendous amount of influence with north korea. that is not in doubt in any way. china has been helpful to the united states. and man other countries in the maximum pressure campaign that the president constructed, that our president constructed last year. so we continue to ask china to use its unique leverage on north korea to get north korea to come to the table. north korea has said that it is willing to denuclearize. that is really the cap stone of our policy, getting north korea to denuclearize. not only does is it make the region safer, but the entire world safer. >> how certain are you that the president between president trump and kim jung-un really will happen? >> we're hopeful. we are going forward planning in the event everof a meeting with full faith good effort. we don't have a date set, but we hope that this will take place.

>> let's move on to russia. president trump expelled 60 russian diplomats. that struck many foreign policy experts as uncharacteristically tough on russia after some of the things that the president has said. is the state department concerned that because of that tough action it will be harder to pull off president trump's long stated goal of improving relations with putin and russia? >> look, here is the thing. the united states and russia, two very large powers, and those two countries, our two countries, have to have areas of cooperation where we can work together. counterterrorism is one of them. so that the reality of the world that we have to be able to work together. but we are tough on russia where it is necessary. we have consistently called out russia. i have from the state department as have many of my colleagues for its activities in syria for example. you have russia involved in bombing campaigns, bolstering

the regime of bashar al assad, responsible for killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians. and that is still going on to this day. so we consistently call out russia for its destabilizing activities in syria, in georgia, in ukraine, all across the world. and of course the latest thin what we saw the poisoning of two british citizens, one of our allies. and so the united states strongly backs the uk in this effort. we kicked out, announcing we're kicking out, 60 diplomats and closing down the consulate in seattle. and this has been matched on the part of our allies around the world. we've also seen it in australia and canada. and georgia has just announced that it is kicking out one russian spy and that is significant. they are right in the back ground of russia. >> and yet of course you know the complaint that president trump has not called out russia for its actions in destabilizing the 2016 election.

here is what senator richard blumenthal told us on "new day" -- >> i would take exception with that. look, the president has spoken about russian meddling in the elections. he has spoken about that consist entsdly. and he has also called it a hoax including with vladimir putin. and i know a lot of media organizations like to deep going back to this. this administration has been tough on russia. in fact tougher than the previous administration. we are keeping a close eye out for russian attempts to meddle in our midterm elections and we also see what russia is doing in other countries' elections right now. we see the fingerprints. elections coming up in min mexi it is not just the united states calling them out. many areas are as well. >> obviously there have been lots muof opportunities for president trump for say we'll never see this again from russia, that in fact it is definitive that russia meddled. and he hasn't said that.

in fact lots of intel chiefs have said that they haven't gotten strict marching orders from the white house about how to prevent future meddling. >> i can tell you from the state department we have gotten strict marching orders. >> what are those? >> not only from the white house, but also from congress. and that includes calling out russia for its disinformation and propaganda campaigns. that is just one element of it. and department of homeland security has been extremely engaged in trying to toughen up our overall election security. now, what we do at the state department is internationally focused. not back here at home. we don't have the mandate to protect things here in the united states because we are the state department. we with, with other countries. but department of homeland security, fbi, other departments and agencies from the federal government are keeping a close eye on what is going on in this upcoming midterm election. >> and i want to ask you about the change at the top of the state department. so secretary of state designate

mike pompeo has already been over there and trying to get acclimated. what do you think will change in terms of diplomacy under him? >> i had the chance to sit down with the secretary desk nignate this week. we hope that the confirmation hearings will start up in the next few weeks and we're also hoping for a quick process. i don't want to get ahead of the senate because they have the role of advise and consent. but if he were to become the next secretary of state, one of the areas he will start is listening to folks in the building, having conversations with my colleagues, asking what their priorities are, asking what they need, what kinds of tools that they need to do their job. so i think we'll try to see him do a lot to recognize the professionalism and the importance of what my colleagues do. our foreign service officers are terrific civil servants and our contractors as well. i think that you will see him doing a lot to try to boost morale and recognize t