the question is cooperation. tonight we're learning how robert mueller is getting information that could lead to the answer. new reporting on cooperating witness rick gates and the extent of his cooperation with mueller. also the wall. for a second time the president said construction is under way. for the second time his claims face a wall of doubt. >> trump 2020. good news from the base.

first the russian story that cnn is breaking tonight. >> we don't often get a lot of detail behind the scenes of what's going on between mueller and the people he's investigating or talking to. that's what we got from my colleague. we're told during the talks that occurred during the period of months before rick gate decided to plead guilty that mueller's investigators told rick gates they didn't need him to provide information against paul manafort who is his former business partner and former campaign chairman for the trump campaign. what they needed him for was to try to zero on contacts between the trump campaign and russia. what the president and his allies call collision. this is a big deal because it tells us that mueller is not done with this question of collusion despite the fact we hear repeatedly from the president and the would you say

there is no collusion. it appears they want rick gates' help many this investigation. >> any indication of how this is playing out with gates. we're beginning to see a bit of it from court filings we saw this week in which we're told that rick gates was in frequent contact with someone the u.s. government said is a russian spy. a person who works for the russian intelligence agency. they didn't name that person but we know them to be constantine. he said he does not have any ties to russian intelligence. they say he's a russian spy. it's the first time we see russian investigators tieing paul manafort and the trump campaign directly to russian intelligence. it goes to the central question that robert mueller is investigating whether or not there was any collusion between the trump campaign and russia. >> thanks for the reporting. appreciate it.

the fact mueller pushed for rick gates help for possible collusion. not information about manafort. what does that tell you? >> it's quite remarkable and i watch carefully what evan just reported. it does seem the pattern that we saw before. it seems they have enough documentary evidence on manan j -- manafort. we're getting more and more there's always the suspicion he was offered a generous deal. we're getting more and more confirmation that wa the case. you know, anderson, we're seeing this on a karam shot. we don't have the information but you know just from an analytic point of view you can see the pace picking up. you have data all over the place and you really begin to get

enthused when the pieces begin to connect with one another. that's what we're seeing here. in terms of criminality, it may not lead anywhere. in terms of the analytic case you can see a pace here. >> we also learned that gates was in contact, according to this, with a person tied to a russian intelligence agency or had past ties. he had frequent -- gates had frequent phone calls with that person even in september and october of 2016. if that is accurate, that does seem to be the first direct tie between someone in the campaign and someone with contacts with russian intelligence. >> yes. we have seen other indications of that. remember the meeting in trump tower who has a murky history of contacts with russian security. papadopoulos. talking with someone who has murky contacts with russian security services. i guess i point out really an unforced error on the part of

the president and his campaign to be so categorical, no russians, no way, no how. we're seeing great body of evidence that the president, his family, his business, his campaign had a lot of contacts with a lot of russians which may be entirely innocent. now we're seeing bob mueller explore each of those linkages. >> when you're talk about somebody who had past associations with the gru or with the fsb or kgb, does that automatically, in your mind, make you believe past contacts or also current contacts? they could say back in the day i had some contacts. >> it's not a prima facia case but it does race legitimate suspicions. the lawyer who wanted to talk

about adoption at the meeting in trump tower. he gave a business card and i'm sure it didn't say gru. she has a history of representing russian interest and being associated with these folks. a history with the gru. here's a man who has a home in kiev and moscow and involved in working with manafort and his team. to pump up moscows man. there are reasons to have serious questions here. >> still lurking in the sphere of politics of ukraine for a pro-russian government leader of ukraine. it could stand to reason that russia would be interested in contacts with that person. >> absolutely.

chris steele is former mi-6. when he did this dossier for a client he was so concerned he re-establish contacts with american security forces and the fbi. these folks want you to become part of this network, maintain contacts within that network. >> i want to ask you about the mover by russia today. what does it state about the -- >> we're at a pretty low point. i think we pretty much exhausted each and other nation's diplomats here. if we want to increase pressure on the russians in future, i think we'll have to go down another lane. that has to do with russian finances and russian unexplained wealth. we're at a very low point here.

anderson, folks like me when we get together and chat about this, we look at the russian covert action. the covert influence campaign with regard to the american presidential election. we remind one another there are probably more tears sheds over successful covert action campaigns than unsuccessful ones. here you had a magnificent russian effort operationally and technically and what has it led to. improved relations. improved status for the russians globally. absolutely not. >> appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in the panel here. how big do you think this rick gates news is? >> number one we don't know. this is very much blind man in the el vants with everything we learn. we get this trickle of hints and tea leaves and suppositions. there's a lot that's very suggestive about this development.

we don't know what it means. we won't know. what we do know is the way mueller is proceeding is very methodical and it's what trump feared, nothing is off limits. he's casting a wide net. he's following the investigation where it leads him and he doesn't consider anything to be out of his purview. i think what we see is that this is suggestive of an investigation that is wide ranging. >> we don't know, jeff, what gates has said to mueller. >> we don't. we don't know what the part-time russian spy said to manafort and gates. we do know he was an employee. this is not some tenuous connection. this is a direct relationship between manafort and a russian spy. what that led to, what exchanges we had, i don't know. this is not like crazy talk.

this is a real connection between soviet spies and the campaign chairman. all this stuff happened a lodge time before the campaign. this seems to be according to to this that gates allegedly had contact with this individual. while he was working for the campaign. >> >> this looks like it's a long term business partner. we don't know what the context may be. i think mueller will determine what the con teks are. does it make me uncomfortable that they had this long lasting relationship. soviets. >> i have been watching the americans. >> they're going to have to answer. mueller will dig into what those conversations took place.

they could be -- we don't know what those conversations are. i think it's important to let manafort go through his process. we have been doing this over a year. we have known that early on that the fbi leaked more than the titanic. we had very little tangible evidence that shown any type of collusion. we have a lot of partisan smoke. we haven't seen that direct connection. >> i think you meant mueller. >> too many ms. >> i think from a political perspective what is significant is president trump, his supporters can no longer say that collusion has not come up at all. that's been a real talking point. there's all this investigation. all this partisan smoke. and collusion hasn't come up in the investigation. whether that was true or not, you cannot make that statement anymore.

>> it's still an allegation. >> you and other trump supporters have been saying -- >> show us the evidence. >> right now. we don't know. >> you can't say there was collusion. >> that's not what i said. what you all have been saying is the investigation has brought nothing up of collusion. what we see now is -- >> it's an allegation of collusion. >> which you all would never admit was part of it. the investigation has now put that out there in way you can politically try to deny. >> why isn't the june 20th meeting collusion? you have an e-mail from the pr guy saying the russian government wants to help your campaign and donald trump says love it. and they have a meeting. isn't that collusion? >> or willingness to collude. >> an interest in. >> actually committing something wrong. what people forget about the trump campaign and the why some of these meetings were able to

take place is what made us so successful is the fact we were small. we met with people that normal campaigns wouldn't traditionally meet with. >> spies. >> like volunteers. >> like spies. >> who then have pled guilty and cut a deal. >> for lying to -- >> when we come back and the rest of the panel. the president said the border wall is on the way up. the question is what do the facts say? we went down to that wall. we'll show you ahead. ♪ what is it? the next big thing in food was once a little paper box. now we can easily take out food from a restaurant. let's stay in and binge-watch the snow.

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else that shows how serious and professional these guys are, it reminds me that trump doesn't really have a legal team. it's like you're playing tennis against serena williams and you don't have a racquet. it makes me think that trump is going to fire him. trump hasn't put himself in a position to really go toe to toe with these guys legally. if i were him, i would be terrified. >> do you believe he'll be able to find some legal folks? >> legal zoom, baby. that's where he's going to go. >> it's so odd because normally working for a president would be the pinnacle of somebody's career. >> we're thot not in a normal area. >> the combination he doesn't listen to lawyers and he thinks he's smarter than lawyers and he doesn't pay the lawyers he has makes him an undesirable client. so many washington law firms already have clients in this investigation and have conflicts

of interest. in a normal setting if you can imagine one, the president of the united states would have less of a problem. >> he'll have some group of lawyers. not the top notch lawyers. not the lawyers you would want in a serious situation like this but they'll be quote, unquote his lawyers and he'll be his lawyer. i can see something crazy about i'm going to go in and see mueller. i'm going to do that investigation. i've got nothing to hide and further craziness could ensue and really who knows what would happen. >> i think the thing that trump does know is that this isn't as much about the legality as it is the political case. that's what he is doing when he defends himself on twitter and it drives his lawyers crazy when he talks out of school and says whatever he feels like and says things that aren't true. that's what makes him so difficult to defend. he knows at the end of the day this isn't a legal matter. no matter what mueller comes up

with, it's a political matter. it's matter of where is public opinion? who is in congress and how seriously do they take this? that all depends on what he can convince the american people. >> mostly. if he sits down with mueller and says things that are actively untrue, that is grounds for impeachment. that's why -- >> which is a political matter. >> yes, you're right. impeachment is a political matter. you have control about whether you speak to mueller or not. it seems to me that he is heading in the direction of not talking to mueller at all. >> he's laying the ground work for that. >> he's laying the ground work for saying there's no justification or taking the fifth saying this is a bogus investigation and i don't want any part of it. >> i think there's an inner

conflict for trump here. i think there's a part of him that feels he can talk anybody into anything and can talk himself out of any situation. >> the only way trump will talk to mueller is if he has something on him. he doesn't. we have been talking about this week after week. how long has this been now. 15 months. i would just say you have three more months and then it's over. >> it's been 15 months. >> it's not as if they are holding weekly press conferences saying this is what we have now. >> did mueller -- >> we're contorting time here. time in an investigation conducted by someone with the stature of mueller and the deep team he has, time can indicate they are finding more and more. not that they -- >> it's going on a long time.

there should be a stoo statute of limitations >> you know what, the democrats raised that during the clinton administration. >> it's payback time, right? >> no. >> it's not payback. the reason that people are doing this is because actually there's been real stuff that has come out especially on the obstruction case. we know that he said that he fired comey over the russia investigation. certainly on the obstruction. >> people have plead guilty in this investigation. >> nothing to do with the russia investigation. >> what is it? we'll know when it's done. >> now mueller wants to go into trump's financial. >> he wants to go where the facts take him. that's what a good investigator does. >> that's the whole problem of having a special investigator with no -- >> almost like he could go from white water to monica lewinsky. >> you're having second thoughts about that. >> no.

>> republicans wrongly tried to impeach clinton for the whole monica lewinsky thing. one of the reasons that people didn't care is the economy was booming. the economy is booming now. people feel great. they don't want to have this go on and on. >> why are republicans are losing these congressional races if people think the economy is great? >> there's no question the economy is booming. >> they don't like donald trump. >> what trump's behavior. that's one way of putting it. >> the reason richard nixon was impeached -- >> he broke the law. >> the economy was in trouble. >> that was a massive criminal enterprise. >> show it. >> it's been shown. i'm not talking about trump. i'm talking about nixon.

>> day after day it's all these allegations. it's gone on for 14 months. we're bored with this. >> i have to know -- >> right. >> every story is a yawn story. there's nothing new being developed. there's a lot of anonymous sources. >> okay. i got to ask you. the washington post did report last week you were the one who gave george popadopolous the green light. >> pam brown wrote that in october last year. >> did you have concerns? >> at the time he wanted to do a tv interview. prove. go on your way. >> that's all it was? >> that's what it was with everybody who wanted to do an interview. i want to do an interview. can i go on? yes. say this. >> they're going to say things and you can't control that. he worked for the campaign.

>> he didn't work for the campaign. he was a volunteer. beyond that, i want to go back to the kind of -- >> he didn't work. he didn't get paid. >> he was an adviser. >> as you're recreating what happened under clinton and that's what happened with special prosecutors. >> we have seen the republicans demanding another special prosecutor. >> i don't think that's right. do you think this is good for the country right now? we got major problems. >> i think these set of facts having some connection and having questions around the white house, i think it is a terrible thing. i think not getting to the root answers and potentially letting justice not be done is a worst thing for america. i don't think americans only care about the economy.

>> you think it should go on for two or three years? >> it should go on until he finishes. >> we look at the presidential tweet on the border wall. his claim that construction is under way on his wall. we're keeping him honest.

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already started. in a tweet he sent out yesterday said great briefing oen the start of our border wall. those photos are nothing but new. >> reporter: the pictures were taken here. we're standing in california in the city. on the other side of the fence, mexico. this is not the start of the border wall. the fence is new but it's a long awaited replacement fence. >> gary also reported there's been some sort of fencing there as early as the 1920s. back now with our panel. does it seem weird that the president is saying this is the start of the long awaited border wall when it's just replacing fencing that's existed that was put up under the bush administration. >> i can't tell you what the thought process was. he may see this as the first step.

replacing the old wall. i can see him saying this is the first step. >> when you say there was a wall there, there was a fence with huge gaps in it. >> nothing close to wall. >> that's pretty much the same wall that was being replaced. they are not building another prototype. >> there wasn't a fence. people were just going right through the holes in the fence and coming over at night. i think this is going to be a very interesting -- >> to that point. the president has not started to build wall in that area where you were in san diego, right? >> he says he wants a wall all the -- >> it hasn't started. it hasn't actually started. they are just replacing a wall. replacing old fencing which is what they have done. >> he can't build the wall if he

doesn't have the money to do it. >> he's claiming he is building the wall. isn't that weird? >> the wall is being built but they don't have enough money to finish it. >> it's not being built. where is the wall being built in the ground? >> the new wall is not being built. >> they put up various prototypes to look at them but they are not building a new wall. >> he probably sees the replacement of this old wall. >> am i going crazy? >> no. >> he sees it as first steps to the broader wall. >> a chicken is a penguin but it's still a chicken. >> this is what he does. what he says to himself when he lies. >> what's the lie? >> the lie is not the beginning of the wall that he has promised. it's a routine replacement. >> the democrats won't allow him -- >> that doesn't -- >> don't say you're building it. you're not building my wall. >> that's not what happened here.

they are replacing part of a fence. they are not putting up a new wall. >> the president said we're -- here's a picture. see the fence moving. we're building the new fence. he's not. he's fixing a broken part of an old fence. >> this is something that's politically concerning about him. this was the signature proposal in his campaign. immigration is the most important issue linking him to his base. if that wall doesn't get built, i think it potentially deflates some of the support. i think that's why he's anxious about this so he lies. >> let's put the tweet up. what does it say? great briefing on the start of the southern border wall. this is not the start of the southern border wall. this is the pre-existing wall that's been there for a long time.

>> he's fortifying it. >> i cannot figure this out. why are the democrat -- we have a $4 trillion federal budget. the democrats, the only thing i've been doing this for so long on the budget. >> why is this an issue? i thought mexico was going to pay for it? >> i don't think that's going to happen. nobody answers the question. >> you know what, the idea of securing the border is a lie. there are no enemy combatants coming across the border. they are refugees that we should treat with basic human kindness. >> first of all -- >> they come across the border. >> it's a terrible immigration policy and doesn't speak to the real issue of immigration. >> they don't.

the american don't want it. >> they voted for donald trump because he asked for a wall. >> he won the presidency. >> for me this is really more about than just lying. that's why i'm sort of curious about it. it's the second time they have lied about this. mick mulvaney lied about this where he held up pictures saying stuff has started on the border. this is the beginning. when, in fact, all they were doing is repairing some old fences. they did under obama, you wouldn't say obama is building a new southern border wall. you're saying obama is repairing some fencing or george w. bush. he's repairing some fences. >> is that the one hillary supported? >> if clinton was president, i don't think you would say she's building a border wall. she's repairing fencing. >> the bigger is because we devolved into whether lying is lying.

this president, facts are just wildly irrelevant. he will say it's fake news to try to keep his part of the base together. it really is a disservice to the american people. lying is a disservice. >> congress will not -- >> please, sir. >> congress will not appropriate the money. >> this is not a question about that. this is a question about why is he lying to america. >> he's not telling the truth here? >> honestly don't get your point. he wants a large sum of money to build a big, beautiful wall. >> he can tweet that out. >> the democrats -- >> he's in the saying that. he's saying is we have begun. >> they have begun. they have begun fortifying the wall. >> that's literally not a new wall. >> this is the impact of trump on you. you have lost the capacity to

understand a basic distinguish basic reality from false reality. that's what's happening to our country. >> we had the last administration look at the american people and say you can keep your doctor. was that a lie? >> shame on them. >> it's a lie. >> i'm not saying he's the first person to lie in office. >> this is not so. >> we'll take a quick break. we're going to have a palette cleanser. new cnn polling showing voters have predictions for the 2020 election that may surprise you. maybe not. pilots saw something in sky over the arizona desert. what did they see? this freaks me out. the story is out there opt 360 miles. use the cars.com app to compare price, features and value.

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that doesn't make him likable. you need your you raised two women politicians. >> his chances of being president were one in 100. two years ago chl that's an amazing thing. >> in that spirit. i think that those poll numbers in general. say this with love and affection for the polling. are meaningless. particularly when it comes to democrats. we don't know who's running. those are name recognition numbers. if you take this moment before the 2008 election, barack obama -- you wouldn't even have gotten 1%. so what. >> one thing is tells you is democrats have fond feelings about the figures in the party that have hiding recognition. a joe biden.

if there was such an antiestablishment feeling who didn't want anyone associated with past administration or turned against obama. you wouldn't see biden getting those numbers. if this was so much a bernie sanders movement. you wouldn't see those numbers. you see a democratic party for all its faults and the democratic party is divided and is unstable. you have a democratic base that likes a lot of the politicians. including ones that have been in there a long time. >> i like that point. >> all the women are unlikable. according to to the republicans here. >> sure. they don't get to choose the democratic nominee. >> what you can see. it's very early. biden vs. sanders race. or warren. will be ideology interesting. there really is a real divide between the two. and a strategic divide about how

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water, because obviously no one drinks the water here. >> do you drink it? >> no. >> reporter: gary ball is the editor-in-chief of the local weekly paper the mountain citizen, water has been a front page story for most of his career. >> what's going on here the citizens, the people who live here, and deal with this every day, where do they put this on their list of concerns? >> in 2018, in the very place that was declared a war on poverty by lyndon johnson -- >> 54 years later you come back and can't get clean water, what progress have we made? >> it's a third world country. we let our water system dilapidate to the point of collapse. >> you went how long without water? >> at that time it was ten days. >> reporter: to manage that, hope has turned her pool into a make-shift reservoir, checking rain water for the most bake basic needs. >> reporter: in order to get

water to bathe in and wash your clothes, this is what you had to do? >> i did this in the winter. we had to take a chain saw to get through the ice. >> you used a chain saw and then siphoned the water with your mouth out of the hose? >> yes. >> that's what it's come to? >> that's what it's come to. >> reporter: the infrastructure is given a grade of the d. so how does the water get so contaminated here in martin county? it's worth looking at where we get it. here, it comes from the tug port river. where it is then pumped into the crum reservoir, from there, it makes its way to this water treatment center. after getting treated about 2 million gallons per day of fairly clean water leaves this

facility through a cascade of pipes traveling all over the county. the problem is, those pipes are also old and cracked. more than 50% of the water leaks out before it gets to the people who need it. even worse is what's getting into those pipes and into the water. we reviewed the most recent epa data and the martin county water district has violated federal drinking water standards every quarter between october 2014 and september 2017. in fact, until just a few months ago, the district's nearly 10,000 customers received notices that their water exceeded federal limits for cancer causing materials. >> doc, i got this thing, am i going to get cancer? >> it's a good question. i can't tell them it's safe or isn't safe. >> reporter: dr. laugh er -- the doctor is the quintessential small down doc.

he's pretty sure every person in this county has come to see him in this clinic. >> we shouldn't have to ask in 2018 whether or not the water is causing cancer in our region. we should be the richest country in the history of the earth in 2018 that we have clean water. it shouldn't be a question. >> reporter: eastern kentucky has some of the highest cancer rates in the country. there is plenty of blame. smoking, obesity. one thing stands out to many who live there. the water. >> is it the rain water that you are getting is better than what's coming out of your faucet? >> yeah. >> reporter: on this day, hope is filling up three additional pots of water from her pool. >> it's not easy, but it beats not being able to flush the toilet or take a bath. i hope you see this, mr. trump, because i don't know who else to talk to about it. they ain't doing a damn thing. >> reporter: president trump released a $1.5 trillion plan to reduce water structure for the whole countries. experts estimate 1 million alone is needed to meet our drinking water demands for the next 25 years.

>> central appalachia is definitely being left behind at this point. central appalachia voted for president trump. we take a wait and see attitude. time will tell. >> is water a basic human right? >> i believe so. >> that's not happening here. >> that's not happening here. >> sanjay, you say this water issue, it's not unique, where else is it happening? >> if you look at this particular place in innes kentucky, martin county, it's really the mines -- the contamination from the mines getting into that water. it was really amazing these pipes, they're so dilapidated that 50 to 60% of the water is coming out of the pipes underground treated water and then that other stuff is getting in. if you go further east, north carolina, it's coal ash getting into the water. go further west, it's nitrates from the fertilizers getting in. many rural counties have

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there in the skies over the arizona desert. the faa released audio from a pilot who saw something over the area and radioed the air traffic controller who told another pilot to keep an eye out for anything usual. >> the skies above us. something passed us about 30 seconds ago. >> well, sure enough that >> american 1095 let me know if you see anything pass over you here in the next 15 miles. >> let you know if anything passes over? >> american 1095, affirmative. we had an aircraft in front of you that said he had something pass over him and it didn't have any targets. >> well, sure enough that american airlines pilot did see something. here's that audio. >> something did just pass over. i don't know what it was, but it

was at least 2, 3,000 feet above us. >> the faa says the controller could not verify that any other aircraft was in the area at the time the american airlines pilot said he wasn't sure if it was a balloon, he said it had a big reflection. thanks for watching "360." time to hand it over to don lemon. cnn "tonight" starts right now. this is cnn "tonight" i'm don lemon. breaking news in the russia investigation. cnn learned how special counsel robert mueller's team zoomed in on rick gates, making it clear they wanted his help to get at the central mention investigating potential collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. new details are in to cnn in court filings giving us the first indications how prosecutors are getting help and using it to tie paul manafort the former chairman of the president's campaign directly to a russian operative.