an evideffort to save your advertisers is not enough. i will only accept your apology if you denounce the way your network treated me and my friends. this is over? probably not. david hogg is joining "new robert mueller is connecting the trump campaign paul manafort directly to russian spice. >> my bet is gates revealed russian connections. >> he could have seen and heard amount. we have a lot of partisan smoke, but we haven't seen that directly. >> the president ought to be cautious. don't ever mess with director mueller. he'll crush you. >> that's why i made some changes because i wasn't happy. >> i'm concerned about putting somebody in charge of v.a. who is doesn't really have management experience. >> i wouldn't exclude the possibility that he would be a

fine secretary. >> president trump saying good-bye to hope hicks. >> no one can replace hope hicks for the president. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day". it is friday, march 30th. 6:00 here in new york. john berman joins me. >> happy easter. >> thank you. happy friday. >> cnn has learned why special counsel robert mueller wants help from the former trump campaign robert gates. the state department is slamming russia forex pelling 60 american diplomats saying the kremlin should not be acting like a victim. >> president trump's pick for

v.a. secretary drawing criticism and concern over his management record. washington tpoeft reports d"was dr. ronny jackson was taken aback when he got the news. he is taking over $186 billion budget and 377,000 employees. new questions about epa administrator scott pruett. it says his 24-hour security in washington extends to some of his personal trips, including a family vacation to disneyland and sporting events. we begin with cnn's shimon with a top story. new insight about what robert mueller might have. >> reporter: good morning. we have been told, the team has been primarily using rick gates and was involved in the trump

campaign for information about the central mission of the investigation which has essentially been russian interference and so-called collusion in the 2016 campaign. and what's interesting here is that we're told that early on when rick gates agreed to cooperate he basically told -- mueller's team told him they didn't need him for paul manafort and instead wanted to hear what he knew about the contacts between trump campaign associates and russians. in a recent court filing, as you know, shows in some ways how rick gates is being used, as documents revealed is a close associate with paul manafort who has connections to paul manafort and was a business associate of his was communicating with rick gates during the height of the 2016 campaign.

>> what kind of information might rick gates have? what information did he have access to? >> reporter: rick gates, as we know, has been a close business associate of paul manafort. he was part of trump's inner circle including, as we said, paul manafort. and also another individual, tom barrick. he was a close friend of the president. manafort was in on the fund-raising decisions. he also developed a reputation for keeping tabs on what others were up to in the campaign, including the controversial trump tower meeting with a russian lawyer who promised dirt on hillary clinton. and also important, this newly released information from these court documents that reveal that rick gates was talking to a russian intelligence individual in 2016. >> thank you for setting all of that up for us. we have cnn political analyst

john avlon and cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. this may lead bread crumbs as to which way robert mueller is going. this one, if he is looking at rick gates and rick gates had connections with russian intel officials, where is that leading us? >> that is the question at the heart of this investigation. were there contacts, collusion, conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russian government. here we now learn from these filings that paul manafort's business associate also worked for russian intense. we know rick gates was in touch with this person khruduring the campaign, what they said, whether they agreed to coordinate in any way, we don't know. stepping back, the

gates/manafort team, which was running the campaign for a while and gates stayed on after manafort was fired, were in touch with someone from russian intelligence during the campaign. sounds like a pretty big deal to me. >> folks were lying about it. you brought up the three cs, contacts, collusion, and conspiracy. one of the fascinating things is this word collusion, which doesn't mean anything legally really here. i mean, it's -- you know, there is this investigation going on right now. and they feel like they have proven there are contacts with russian contacts at the highest levels of the campaign. >> no question about that. the number of russians and members of the campaign is far outside the norm for any presidential campaign. collusion, what does it mean. conspiracy seems to be the standard they're now going for. the active work between the the campaign and the russian intelligence to throw the

american election. this is significant because gates is not being used to flip manafort. there is a matter of the gru who is working with manafort and gates and they're in constant contact. that's a big deal. >> then about how the u.s. is dealing with russia. president trump expelled the 60 russian diplomats. russia said it would retaliate. it has now and done the same, expelled its diplomats. it is interesting. we have been talking all week about why did president trump do that when he used kid gloves with russia and has over and over said he wants a better relationship with putin. now we know from a "washington post" article how the people around him in national security got him to do this. and here's what they say. the official described the internal debate using boxing

terms. if you go heavy now and the russians really retaliate, we would be more limited in what we can do later, the official said. with the medium option, the official said, you're throwing a solid punch but withholding a fist, and the president was swer wad persuaded by that option. >> i keep saying so be it. maybe not a difference. it was re-t tataliated against virtually every country in the eu, united states, canada. that -- if the united states had been the only country not to retaliate, it would have been highly embarrassing. so i think trump's hand was really forced. >> yeah. >> and, again, the president is not under any criticism of putin himself. >> maybe he's boxing because

porridge wasn't available. he could have chosen the light option, and he did. they did this major action, and the president hasn't said a thing about it. he talked about everything under the is sun yesterday in ohio but somehow didn't mention what one of the biggest foreign challenges is. >> the the two things he never talks about, the two things that are off-limits are stormy daniels and vladimir putin. this is a classic thing they do. offer them the the hot, cold, and medium cold. they try to engage in story telling. there is still that silence with the president and russia and the major gap of the military action. >> we'll see what happens with the russian relationship. >> he likes hot porridge.

spiking hot. let's talk about jeff sessions. he explained to us what happened. jeff sessions, as you know, republicans have been pushing for investigations into fisa abuse and whether or not the fbi has done things wrong and whether or not hillary clinton has done things wrong and uranium one. >> they have been saying appoint a special counsel. appoint another robert mueller. what steps has he taken? >> maybe in porridge. >> yes. he said, well, we're going to do an investigation, but it doesn't need an entirely outside counsel with the new staff. we're going to appoint a sitting u.s. attorney, the u.s. attorney in utah, to look at these issues and decide if any further investigation is necessary. this strikes me as a reasonable

approach. as far as i can tell, these accusations against the fbi by the house republicans are a bunch of nonsense. it's tinfoil hat stuff. and huber, the u.s. attorney in utah, will be in a position to do more detailed digging and say whether there is anything here. >> it is interesting as a political choice. he was appointed by obama but was extended by donald trump. so it will be hard i think for either side to point to this guy and say he's not fair. >> one of the points being made is he's outside washington. so much of this has been dumbed down. he does have the power to have a grand jury. they are saying it is a half step. sessions is trying to say will this tide you over? is this medium porridge going to be okay? going full session is not going to happen. >> isn't it just interesting to

watch what jeff is sessions has been doing all these months and this position he's been put in? >> the man on the tightrope. it's a truly bizarre situation. >> the difference, though, between jeff sessions and the tightrope is no one kicks the man on the tightrope. >> only in certain circuses. >> but, remember, he is advancing a conservative agenda in the justice department on voting rights, on civil rights. you know, he is not powerless. and he is doing what he really wants to do on issues he cares about. you know, the country is a different place. >> that may be why he is choosing to take the abuse. >> exactly. >> all right. gentlemen, stick around. skepticism growing over president trump's pick for the veterans affairs department. he is making news at an unscripted rally in ohio. cnn's abby phillip live in palm

beach with the very latest. abby. >> reporter: good morning, john. president trump is waking up here in west palm beach, and he's waking up with a smaller than usual inner circle with the departure of hope hicks. the newly named white house secretary, the white house doctor, is getting scrutiny over his resume and whether he has the qualifications to do this job. mounting accident is similar on capitol hill about the qualifications of president trump's nominee to lead the department of veterans affairs, white house doctor navy admiral ronny jackson. >> this is half the size of the united states army. it's going to be tough, nothing is going to change. >> reporter: jackson worked for three successive administrations but has no management experience and, if confirmed, would take control of the second largest department in the federal government. >> close to $200 billion next year and a very complex

organization. so it is going to be a challenge for anybody to take. >> reporter: former cia chief brene noncalling it a terribly muss guided nomination. jackson himself was taken aback by himself nomination and hesitated to take on such a big job. but the president continued to push for his selection. he said mr. trump has been pleased with jackson since he praised his health in january. >> i told him if he had a healthier diet the next 20 years he might live to be 200 years old. >> there were some political appointees within my administration that didn't see it that way and wanted us to take a much harder stance toward privatization. i wasn't going for that. >> we made a lot of progress with the veterans, but i want to get them choice.

>> reporter: mr. trump defending his decision to oust shulkin. >> i made some changes because i wasn't happy with the speed with which our veterans were taken care of. i wasn't happy with it. >> reporter: after largely staying out of sight for days, president trump going off script at a rally meant to tout his infrastructure plan. threatening to up end his first major trade deal with south korea. >> i may hold it up until after a deal is made with north korea. >> reporter: and surprising the pentagon with this announcement about the u.s. presence in syria. >> we'll be coming out of syria very soon. >> reporter: before leaving for ohio, he bid forward well to hope hicks thursday. so far nobody is in line to take her place. cnn has learned that the president is being told by some advisers he doesn't need a communications director or chief of staff if general kelly departs. >> if general kelly does decide

to leave or the president decides it's time for him to move on, i don't think there will be another chief of staff. >> reporter: and there is more troubling news about the president's cabinet today. epa administrator scott pruett is under scrutiny for his 24-hour security detail. according to a letter sheldon whitehouse obtained by cnn, the use extends to his personal home in tulsa, a trip to disany land and the rose bowl. it is like cabinet whack-a-mole. when one issue seems to be resolved, another one pops up. >> good metaphor. can the pick be confirmed by the senate? we look into that next.

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i will do everything i can to help dr. jackson succeed in this position. this is a tough position, there's no doubt about it. this is one of the most complex organizations. it is going to be a challenge for anybody to take. fortunately we have the process that we go through where senate confirmation is required where all of these questions will be brought out. look, i have confidence that dr. jackson is a person who is honorable and cares about our veterans. >> former v.a. secretary david

shulkin speaking out about his pick to replace him. back with us is john avlon and jeffrey toobin. i don't think people are questioning whether dr. jackson is smart and a good doctor. the question is can he run this bureaucra bureaucracy. we need to take a look at dr. ronn ronny to see what he thinks in running this agency. >> and is this an administration of cronies or of people who have competence in the field for which they are signed. everybody is disappearing in the white house except ivanka, jared kushner, kellyanne conway. the core loyalists. anyone who is not practically or literally part of the trump

family, here you have the president's physician being named to a position that he has no clear qualifications for. it's part of the trump presidency that is broader than just the v.a. >> even dr. jackson seemed to be surprised by the nomination, by the courthouse. and i think expressed privately that he didn't know that he had the qualifications for this. we even heard congressmen yesterday on the show say it is very likely this doesn't go well. but it is also likely he will be confirmed. >> he is clearly, as john berman said, he's a great doctor, charming guy. but no management experience. he apparently applied for a lower job in the v.a. and expressed concerns that his qualifications weren't typical. but he still thought he could do the job. it didn't go terribly well. he is pushing back saying this may be a big leap. that is not a good sign of

confidence. you are seeing some of the worst qualities of someone who has run a private business. this is not the classic i'm pogue to run the government like a business. this is capricious picking people from your life. his caddy. his pilot to run the faa. now his personal doctor to be head of the v.a. this is about impulse ask and who you know and loyalty over competence. >> it will be a serious show-and-tell. dr. jackson will go to the hill, meet with the senators, is and they will either buy it or not. the scott pruett story is fascinating, epa director going around with private security to disneyland which in my experience doesn't require a great deal of security. >> if he is getting death threats, why not worry about death threats at disneyland? >> happiest place on earth. >> but, remember this is the guy who has been living rent free in

a house owned by a, you know, someone who has business before the epa. this is a deeply politicized agency. there are lots of people out to get him. there are rules about who gets security and when. and you are either getting security when you are on vacation or not. i mean, it seems -- you're right. just because he's on sraubgz doesn't mean necessarily there isn't a threat. but is he the kind of official who gets 24/7 security? >> i think they made the justification that he is getting death threats. that's their justification. >> shulkin was just pushed out for running up expenses on private trips overseas. they could be different if there is a real security risk here, but it is within this overall -- >> not only that, he said that's why he has to fly furst class. there are no threats in first

class? he is taking some liberties. if you have death threats, you need protection on your family vacation. >> remember them freaking out over jarrett getting security around the clock. this was a major issue. almost rising to president obama wearing a tan suit in the oval office. the same standards aren't being applied. sit worth asking whether he needs full time security at the rose bowl. >> either he needs it or he doesn't. this is something that will be determined. the fact we didn't know about it is interesting. jeffrey, final question here on stormy daniels. we began the week with stormy. we will end with stormy. a federal judge ruled against this motion for michael avenatti to depose the president and his attorney michael cohen right now saying you have to wait on this.

avenatti is sawing this is a legal victory. he didn't say no, not never. so we win here. what's the reality here? >> the reality is the big issue has yet to be resolved in that case. will the judge send it to arbitration and throw it out of court. avenatti wants to be in federal court where he can take depositions, interview the president and michael cohen under oath. if the case goes to arbitration, he has very little chance of doing that. the judge said i'm not dealing with any of these discovery issues until i resolve the arbitration question. avenatti is wrong that it was a victory but he's right that it is not a defeat. it is the judge saying let's deal with this step by step. and the real issue unresolved so far is will the case be sent to arbitration. >> i will be interviewing michael avenatti coming up.

timely. he is playing this very trumpian game of every day coming up with some sort of new tease or new development to keep it in the news. >> yeah. it really is trump getting taste of his own medicine. at some point the lawyer will have to start showing evidence rather than teasing the media hinting at more to come. >> i think that's 6:45. or 7:10. stay tuned. defense officials say u.s. troops need to stay in syria longer, but president trump insists they are pulling out soon. so who is right here? i was out here smoking instead of being there for my son's

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cnn has learned why special counsel robert mueller wants help from deputy chair rick gates. court filings suggest mueller is going after bigger fish as he investigates contacts between president trump's campaign and russia. let's discuss with cnn national security analyst, former director of national intelligence, james clapper. thank you very much for being with us. the news this week is rick gates was in contact with constantin

qaa lessen da. was he on your radar at your time at sdni? >> no, he was not. in fact, as a lot has come out in the indictments and that sort of thing, they were not known to us before the end of the obama administration. >> what does it tell you that robert mueller is investigating this connection and wants gates to help illuminate really the nature of those contacts? >> well, first, john, i think we have to remember that whatever it is that is out in the public domain that mueller team, special counsel, is way ahead of us. so clearly, you know, from what we can read from the tea leaves

in ftp inferentially, it appears that's where he is going. what is significant to me is a prominent trump camp official meeting with a russian intelligence official, and it doesn't matter whether he's active or retired because those guys never really retire. and that to me, just the fact of the meeting when you sort of of piece that together with all the other pieces of the puzzle, is one more indicator of the direction that special counsel is taking. >> so the fact of these conversations between rick gates and maybe paul manafort and this person who had contacts and connections and maybe at one point had been an agent for the gru, does that in and of itself constitute collusion for you? >> it doesn't necessarily constitute the substance of collusion because just like the

situation we faced before the end of the obama administration, we knew about a lot of meetings going on, but we didn't know the content of the discussions. and here again, at least politically we don't know that either. i suspect the mueller team does. >> one of the things that's happened this week, the united states has expelled 60 russian diplomats. this is in response to the poisoning of a former russian double agent in the uk. do you feel that that that response from the united states was sufficient? >> well, it is certainly more than sufficient for the narrow purpose here, which is to stand shoulder to shoulder with the uk after this egregious crime that the russians committed in the uk. i was just in the uk earlier this week. and certainly people there were gratified and i think relieved

and in all honesty that the magnitude of the expulsions that we undertook. but as far as theed bro broader context here and the aggressive information operations campaign, which they are still waging as they did during the election and the run-up to it, that's not stopped. and this action in and of itself won't do that. >> administration supporters say look at our actions while president trump has been in office. expelling these diplomats, which is a high number. look at the fact that they are arming ukraine with javelin missiles. look at the fact that president trump took military action in syria against assad, russia's ally here. their actions are as firm against the russians, they say, as anything that has come before. how would you respond to that? >> well, it to me suggests, if i can coin a term, sort of

governmental schizophrenia here. we seem to have an established is government taking resolute action against the russians. but what is striking by contrast is the absence of any pronouncement by the president himself. and that's very curious. it is hard to understand. and certainly hard for people overseas to rationalize what this is about. and i think in this particular instance, the the fact that the president doesn't mention 60 expulsions. but in the larger context of what i think the country needs in terms of leadership to thwart what the russians are trying to do, which is basically undermine our fundamental system, each of the cabinet departments that are relevant are doing their own

thing here but what is needed is overarching leadership and a sense of urgency to do something about what the russians are doing. >> last question here. incoming national security adviser john bolton had a very important meeting with james mattis. the two had never met. we got a little bit of a hot mike moment here. listen in. >> thanks for being here. >> thanks for coming and to finally meet you. >> i heard you're the devil in car nate he said. you're laughing. what's your take on john bolton? >> well, first, it is another example of secretary mattis's use of humor. he's very good at that.

john bolton, who i don't know personally, but just watching is clearly hawkish. he is certainly in that category. and with respect to rwith iran, north korea, and russia, that's going to be interesting. i don't think hawkish necessarily means reckless. and i do think that it is one thing to be on the sideline with no responsibility. and when you're in the seat, particularly like the national security adviser, it is a little bit different. so i would be an advocate for watching to see what mr. bolton says and does before we overcategorize him in advance of his actions of assuming the position. >> that you can so much. happy easter. >> the same, john. thanks for having me. >> alisyn.

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fox news host laura ingram is apologizing for a tweet she sent going after parkland massacre survivor and student david hogg. the original tweet said david hogg rejected by four colleges to which he applied and whines about it. dinged by ucla with a 4.0, totally predictable given acceptance rates. david hogg joins us live. great to see you, as always. >> nice to see you too. >> listen, there's been seven advertisers that have pulled out of the show after one tweet from you. it seems like you have a lot of power at the moment and i'm just wondering how you feel about all of this? >> i think it's great that

corporate america is standing with me and the rest of my friends. when you come against any of us, me or anyone else, you're coming against all of us. it is important that we stand together as corporate and civic america and show them they cannot push us around, especially when all we're trying to do here is stay lives. when people try to distract like what laura is trying to do from what the real is issue is, gun violence in america, it's not only is sad but wrong. i would say from a journalistic perspective, she needs to stand out. the issue is gun violence in america. she is trying to distract from that, and i hate it. >> listen, you know she's a talk show host. she's not objective. her point isn't even to be objective. she has a particular position. she's a conservative. but, listen, after the advertisers started pulling out, she did issue an apology. any student should be proud of a

4.2 gpa, including david hogg. in the spirit of holy week, i apologize for any upset my tweet caused him or any of the brave victims of parkland. i believe my show was the first to feature david immediately after that horrific shooting is and even noted how poised he was given the tragedy. do you accept her apology? >> no. she's only apologizing after a third of her advertisers pulled out. i think it's wrong. and i think if she really wants to do something is she could cover inner-city violence and the real issues that we have in america. i know she is a talk show host, but as such she also has a responsibility to show both sides of the story. >> look, you and i both know how much villification there has been. you is and your friends have been in the middle of this.

you have been targeted by right wing websites and cable news hosts. i don't know how you are coping through all of this. >> when i see things on twitter, people comparing me to hitler or calling us a communist, it's been like about five and a half weeks now since this massacre. and it's insane. it's literally only been five and a half weeks. the fact that they are going after us personally is showing what we are doing is working. we have them scared. now we have to go even harder. this is when it starts to matter. when the people try to go against us. i want people to understand, we're not trying to take your guns. we're not against the second amendment. we don't want to repeal the second amendment. we simply want gun legislation that allows law abiding citizens to own guns or prevents people with a history of mental illness or criminal background from owning a firearm.

it's as simple as that. we are for sensible and legal gun ownership. >> to that end, would you consider sitting down with someone like laura ingram and reaching across the aisle just for the sake of common ground and trying to find the solutions that you're talking about. >> see, i would like to do that. but first i would need her to be more objective in the way she talks about us. any time she talks about us on o us, she speaks to her audience. this leftist group -- she gets this threatening tone about us that we don't have. we're people that just want everybody to come together as americans and help us solve this issue because we do have to reach across the aisle to solve this. this is not a democrat or republican issue. this is an american issue. as such, we have to work together. >> david, i am stunned that four colleges rejected you. what kind of dumbass colleges

don't want you? you have taken the country by storm. how do you explain this? did they reject you before the parkland massacre? how do you explain this? >> they rejected me about -- let me think, about two weeks ago, most of them. ucla and usd. we have a highly impacted university system in america. and i think there is a lot of really good candidates that don't get into college. it goes to show regardless of whether you get into college, you can still change the world. the hardest part is believing you can. you eventually will. >> david, i know you haven't been spending much time back at parkland high school. you've obviously been -- this has become your mission. we have seen you on the media a lot. are you going to college in september? >> that's a good question. i'm thinking about it. but i may be taking a gap at this point to work the campaign trail as a candidate basis, not just working for democrats or

republicans. there are democrats supported by the nra and republicans that are not. lives really are not a partisan issue. i think that's what a lot of this country is forgetting. we are trying to save lives. once we remember that, we can work together on both sides of the aisle to solve this issue. when we work against each other, you can't. >> emotionally, how are you doing? >> i'm exhausted. my flight was diverted and i had to stay in d.c. another night. it's all right. at this point i kind of just want to be back home with my friends a little bit. because we have our own little family basically. we all support each other as such. >> david hogg, it's always great to talk to you. best of luck. thanks so much is. john is. college counselors across america are calling you right now, alisyn camerota. we are learning more about rick gates and his contacts with russia. is special counsel mueller any

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