they will be very cautious in dealing with these sensitive issues. thank you so much for that report. that's it for me. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett outfront starts right now. you're fired. the two words president trump loves most are the ones getting him in trouble. twitter tirade stroking fear on over immigration. facts are wrong. did he do it to send a racial dog whistle? tariffs that are hitting state after state that voted trump in 2016. let's go outfront. good evening. you're not fired. the president talks the tough talk on firing but when it comes down to it he isn't saying the two words to someone's face. tonight will are real

consequences. the white house is still trying to square two completely opposite stories. the white house insists that the veterans affairs secretary resigns but shulkin tells cnn that is not true. >> general kelly gave me a heads up that the president would most likely be tweeting out a message in the fear future. i appreciated having that heads up. >> the tweet fired you? >> yes. >> shulkin's answer very telling about how the president handles the big, tough conversations with his staff but it's also significant legally. if he resigned, president trump can name his interim replacement but he may not have that right if he's fired. any decision could be challenged legally. that's a problem for the white house. president trump's fear of stepping up and telling someone to his or her face that they're fired is a big issue. they are firing people another a

record before never seen in modern american history. it has a nearly 50% turnover rate. the cabinet holds the record for the highest turnover in a century according to npr. that's 100 years. you're looking at everyone that's been fired or resigned since president trump took office. this list goes on and on. yet in just about ef case, it was not the president of the united states who did the firing. the president's former secretary of state rex tillerson was fired by john kelly or tweet. his former chief strategist fired by kelly as was anthony scaramucci. james comey fired by a letter delivered by the president's personal body guard. comey wasn't there. he found out from television. president trump won't do it himself which is a pretty big thing to say about a man who built his brand of toughness on this. >> you're fired.

>> you're fired. >> you're fired. >> trump liked to say those words to the cameras but he admitted to me once he didn't like doing it even then. >> scott, you're fired. >> it was very hard. doing that was very hard. >> that was very hard. is that why after months of publicly humiliating jeff sessions and let his twist in the wind the president would like to send tweets like this one than actually fire him. so sad the department of justice in quotes and the fbi are slow working or not giving the unredacted documents requested by our congress. an embarrassment to our country. it is why scott pruitt is still hanging around. that's why former trump ally and new jersey governor chris tis

christie said trump should step up. >> does he have to go? >> i don't know how you survive this one. >> trump not pulling the trigger on pruitt. did you hear something else. he also said pruitt never should have been there in first place which raises a really important question. it's not just that the president doesn't know how to fire someone. christie is saying the president doesn't know how to hire the right person. look at the people who have been accused of wasting taxpayer dollars on things like private jets and vacations. steve manuchin. tom price, ryan zenke and ben carson. remember the $31,000 dining room set and these guys are still there. trump said he would change washington. can he make good on the promise when he can't seem to run an

efficient administration. >> what you saw was a tweet storm from the president attacking mexico and democrats saying a deal on daca was dead. opting the spend the weekend that rile up the president. he was there with fox news host including janine and bill shine. sources familiar with the conversations that the president was having with them tell us that they essentially told him that his base believes he is getting soft on immigration and going a step further. they told the president that they believe that success for republicans in the mid term elections depends on his ability

to tout success on the border wall. that he's making progress on this long promised plan to build a border wall with mexico. something the president has been frufred by and cannot do because to have the stalemate in congress. >> i want to go to barbara red. she worked with donald trump for more than 15 years. david also with me. former presidential advisor to four presidents. the second member that said i was fired by tweet. the president never had the conversation personally.

is this the man that you know in terms of how he wanted to deal with people viindividually or directly. >> i never saw him fire anyone. i heard him talking about it. the difference between then and now is when he had on a whim wanted to fire somebody, he told someone like bme or somebody ele higher in the organization and we didn't do it because it was not a good idea. to fire someone himself, he didn't do that. he got someone else to do it. >> when he wanted to do it, it wasn't the right idea and you were there to talk him off the ledge? >> yes. >> that's pretty incredible. you're saying we're going to see more people fired not by the president and maybe not even by the chief of staff. you're saying we're going to see more firings by tweet. >> i think chris christie's comments were indicative of the fact where he said the

transition began in chaos. i think we're seeing a feature and not a bug. i think the people who are wondering when this sort of chaotic style is going to end, i don't think it will. i don't think there will be future firings on twitter was a this is the way donald trump is running his presidency. this is what he's comfortable with. he didn't like confrontation and i think people expecting this to change are ill advised and we got to get used to this for the next three years, at least. >> david, from what barbara is saying, this is how he operates. she worked with him for 15 years. he wouldn't do it himself. wh when he wanted to do it, it was often the wrong idea. >> we have had presidents in the past who have not liked to fire people. dwight eisenhower of all people who was good administrator asked

his vice president richard nixon to fire his powerful chief of staff. nixon didn't like do it but there it was. what is unusual about this president is he's brought such inexperienced young people in to help recruit and vet the staff. he's had this extraordinary set of firings and people close to him shake their heads in dismay. >> which is true. someone knows the president. i remember barbara. he fired someone and it was a bad idea. another person went ahead and hired them. sometimes that's the way it's handled.

i told donald because donald hired him. it took three firings to get him fired because the guy went back across the street to donald's office and said why did you fire me. he said you can have your job back. he just can't do it face-to-face. >> which is a pretty incredible thing. >> it is. there are certain things that people just don't like to do. i don't blame him for that. what we ought to hold him accountable for is the louse si administration in running this thing like oo family business that didn't succeed. he's never felt threatened. now in washd he's increasingly acting like he's not accountable to anybody there either. >> that's true. he was never accountable. he used to listen to people. he doesn't do that now. he has a few good people. >> we're already at records.

it's pretty incredible. the npr statistic. we haven't had this much turnover in a century. you're talking about a hundred years. when you look at the nearly 50% of his staff turnover overall, it would seem it's pretty much impossible to run anything consistently when you have this much turnover and the people who are there are afraid because while he doesn't want to talk to their face, he's happy to bad mouth them publicly or passive aggressively on twitter. >> that's right. the president has always advised on outside advisors and phoned his friends. increasingly you see he's rel relying on more people outside the white house than inside the white house. that means his closest advisors inside the white house are increasingly unaware of what his plans are and what his next move is going to bp.

you sue them surprised. he told him he was not aware of any plan to be fired and he was fired at 5:30 p.m. that afternoon. i think it is just impossible to run a white house in an effective manner when you don't have trusted aides in your plans. >> there's this hunt for the leakers now. they are happy to read about it. he is now claiming one of the few people left, one of the few people from the beginning left around the president that he appears to trust is the biggest leaker. here's what he said. >> while i was interviewing kelly ann, she forgot she was on the record and she started lashing into reince priebus.

she said the most mean cutting and untrue things about reince. i didn't include them in the book because they were so unfair. if you wonder why there's so many leaks out of white house, one reason is kelly ann is a number one leaker. >> does that put kelly ann on the chopping block when the president sees that? >> i doubt it. we should note she denies. people in the white house staff take their cues from the president. if you have a president who lambaste people on twitter and in private, people around him will start doing the same thing. it's not surprising she would go on the attack. you feel like you're among frepdss you can trust and other white houses, you have to keep your back to the wall because the knives may come out.

>> barbara, final question to you on attorney general session who is has been publicly humiliated by the president for months. the department of justice and calling it an embarrassment to our country. jeff session s not stepping aside and not resigning. what's the president thinking, do you think? obviously that's his hope but sessions is going force him to fire him. >> i'm not sure that trump really wants sessions to go. i'm not sure. i think he wants everyone to think he hates him because of some decisions he doesn't like and the fact that sessions has sort of rubbed up against donald. president trump. i'm not sure he wants him to go because he would tweet him out too. >> thank you very much. next, the president's twitter tirade over immigration. does it matter that his facts are wrong? president trump cozying up to another strong man. this one winning an election with 97% of the vote. the same script that anchors

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tonight, president trump kboeg r goi going on a twitter tirade saying congress must immediately pass border legislation. border patrol agents and i.c.e. are great but the weak dem laws don't allow them to do their jobs opinion a jobs. act now congress. our country is being stolen. thanks very much. quote, donald trump's latest dog whistle on immigration is more like a scream. do you agree. is this a racest d ess esst -- whistle? >> it's simply racist to say people are stealing our country. immigrants like my grandparents or donald trump's mom who was an immigra immigrant. of course it's racist. the more interesting question is

why. i think it's because he knows he's in weak position. he's had millions and millions of people march. the biggest marches we have seen in american history in its first year. women's march. the young people marched the other day for our lives. he's lost special elections in districts. he lost the special election for the senate in alabama which he won by a million points. he's weak. the biggest thing is the weakness is mueller. as mueller circles, trump gets more hysterical. he trots out his racist anti-immigrant stuff. >> is there any way to interpret our country is being stolen when you are referring from immigrants coming from south as anything other than racist? >> i think we both have to agree there's the distinction between the legal immigrant and illegal. legal immigration -- >> our country is being stolen talking about people who skin is brown coming from the south? >> he's talking about illegal immigration in that tweet.

to try to di cipher anything other than that. >> talking about border control agen agents. >> to try to change it into something that it isn't now and saying he has a problem with legal immigration is dishonest. we all know -- >> what immigrants are you trying to say he's talking about? >> illegal immigrants. >> he is talking about the mexican border? >> yes. >> illegals are crossing mexican border to get to the u.s. >> they are crossing to go home. you know this. in the last ten years we have lost over a million mexicans. mr. trump's wall will only slow down their departure. why is he pushing this? he's trying to distract from mueller and his own political problems. >> what i say about this is this is something that the president talked about from the very beginning of the campaign. when i see these tweets this morning, i don't see a president trying to distract. he's trying to bring more attention to this issue because he's frustrated that not a lot of progress has been made.

sh schumer came forward with part of the negotiation. if the democrats who created this daca by the fate of president obama -- >> i want to talk about the daca issue but first when you say this is not racist. i want to play what the president said about europeans, supre issue prim assists. here he is. >> why aren't we letting people in from europe? i have many, many friends and nobody wants to talk this. nobody wants to say this. >> we have our inner cities, african-americans, his panics are living in hell because it's so dangerous. you walk down the street you get shot. you have a group on the other side that was very violent. >> you also had people that were

very fine people on both sides. >> when you add to that the birther issue, bryan, how do you square this as not racial? >> i square it by my own experience with the president. if he had a racial issue, he would have had an issue with me. he would have had an issue with me being the deputy campaign director and he would have add an issue. we would have an issue of me going into the administration and visiting as his guest to several events throughout the year. what the media tries to portray and the partisan -- >> i'm just playing his own words here. >> i'm telling you my experience. >> that's fair. >> there's many of other ethnic republicans or ethnic people who work for the president who tell you different experiences from lin patton to omarosa. >> she's obviously not the most complimentary of the president at this point.

>> ebbs and flows. >> what's your personal feeling to the president isn't racist but things could be interpreted otherwise? >> bryan can speak to his personal experience far better than i can. i can peer into his soul. i koun want to. i can look at his actions and comments. not just what i think. paul ryan said that it was quote, the very textbook definition of a racist statement when president trump said that a judge who was born and raised in indiana with mexican lineage couldn't rule in his case. tim scott, the senator from south carolina says he doesn't think the president is racist but he's racially insensitive. that's a very diplomatic way of putting it. these are members of his own party who look at what the president says. i can't peer into his heart. if you look at what he says and does. when he says we need more

immigrants from norway and fewer from -- crummy countries. when you're below my standards, you really suck. i have none. i have a potty mouth. we don't want people coming from african country and latin countries. is norweigan a skill. >> bryan he did tweet out mexico is the absolute power. not the let these large caravans o of people enter the country. they must stop them at their northern border because their border laws work. not law them to pass through. when he went on about the caravans he tweeted these big flows of people are trying to take advantage of daca. they want in on the act. what you think he's trying to accomplish here. the caravans are people who are seeking asylum. there's no way that you could be on a caravan and get daca. you had to come this before 2007. you had to be 31 by 2012.

it's false. >> listen. this was done by executive memorandum. >> the fact is right now if you're on one of those -- the facts are you cannot claim daca coming in. that's a fact. >> it's not according the law. this president eight years from now a different president can change the dates of anything related to daca. it's not part of the law. the more people who come here, kids at young ail become an additional population of daca kids in the future. they have the potential to become daca. >> the reality is they cannot become daca daca rigright now. that's a fact. he tweets something contrary. why? >> unless we fix this legally rather than executive mem ram

dum -- memorandum. anything can happen to these kids. any kid who comes today, you can have a different president from a different party -- >> taxes could be 90% in ten years. all kinds of things can happen. the reality is at a moment in time you tweet as the president. you tweet fact or you don't tweet a fact. it's pretty simple to me. >> i don't sgrdisagree with you. you're micropicking these thing. i see that tweet completely different. it is accurate. >> it's not accurate. >> any president can say we're creating a new class of daca kids by the stroke of a pencil. you see it differently and i think other people see it differently as well. >> no, i see the facts. >> ipse the fac see the facts t. this is an apple. >> the president's tweets will be more twinged and more racist the closest mr. mueller's investigation gets.

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the president of turkey after a referendum there that most observers believe was unfair and probably ended turkey's 90 year experiment with democracy. there seems to be an affinity with the president and these kinds of leaders. autocrats who are able to govern through their own act of will. i'll add the personal comment. it seems the president would like to, would envy that style of government here but he can't do it within our constitutional system. >> right. he's made comments about being president for life. he said that about the chinese president when he was re-elected or re-authorized. here is president trump talking about him but also about putin and sisi. >> he's now president for life.

i think it's great. >> he is a strong leader. what am i going to say, he's a weak leader? he's making mincemeat out of our president. >> in case there's any doubt, we are very much behind president el-sisi. he's done a fantastic job in a difficult situation. >> why is he so drawn to these strong men? >> certain admiration for the style with which they govern. i think a desire, a wish he could govern in the same way. i don't think it's more complicated than that. it's easier to deal with these kind of leaders. when you talk to president macron or prime minister may, they are on top of complex political systems. they have to accommodate their own domestic dynamic. i think the president wants

simple conversations and answers. >> today the white house confirmconfirm ed that trump discuss face-to-face meeting. nine hours after they confirmed this, white house officials say the meeting is just casual. it's not a formal invitation. nine hours layer they are trying to down play it a bit. what do you make of this that the president brought up the invitation and had broached the possibility of white house. >> a couple of points are clear. number one president's don't get to be casual. when presidents say things, they have great meaning. they really have meaning when they say them to a foreign leader. that's one. second, i believe what he offered to putin was true. that dramatically broke ranks with other governments in the west whose objective at some sack fwirifice over their own p has been to support the british

in isolating the russians. here you have the president kind of inviting putin over for a sleepover with no promise. the president said it was a great phone call. looking the see did putin agree to leave him in eastern ukraine, give crimea back. extradite those 13 russians we have indicted. no. this is almost unconditional respect that the president is willing to give putin. it harms our relationship the our allies. >> presidents don't get to be casual. it isn't accurate when you're talking about the president of the united states. i want to ask you ooabout the russia investigation. bob mueller team is looking to see if roger stone met with julian assange. this is something stone bragged about and then could denied.

how important could such a meeting be? >> we're kind of stacking these meetings up. this is in the face of campaign that said it has no contacts with the russians at any time. you have stone with his most recent report. stone predicting the dumping of the pedesta e-mails. don junior and jared kushner having meeting with a russian lawyer who promised russian dirt on hillary clinton. meeting with someone we believe to be a gru agent. there may be explanations for any, some or all of these but there's an awful lot of contacts. >> there are stacking up like cord woord. thank you very much. appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. next, one of the larnlest media companies forcing its anchors pto pass on a specific

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the biggest owner of local tv stations is fighting back after criticism that anchors were forced to make a pro-trump message. a viral video put out by the website dead spin. take a look. dpl the sharing of bias and false news has become all too common on social media. some policies have been dangerous. unfortunately, some members of the media need platforms to push their own personal bias and agenda to control what people think. this is extremely dangerous to our democracy. >> i want to mention that most of the stations are cnn affiliates. bryan stelter is out front with more. >> a broadcasting be hee moth

with many krcritics. with around 200 stations, s sinclaire is the biggest in the nation. it reached a third of u.s. households and trying to get bigger. the company conservative bent is becoming more visible with promos echoing trump anti-media rhetoric. >> we're proud of the quality, balance journalism that cbs 4 produces. >> we're concerned about the one sided news stories plaguing our country. >> that viral mash up is the latest example. stations are required to run terrorism alert desk segments about security threats. >> also must run. these commentaries. >> the president is here to get result and not to coddle staff or cabinet members. >> jared kushner inked a deal

with sinclaire for better coverage. the company's politics are no secret. it's controlled by executive chairman david smith and his family. with his brother fs in the earl '90s, his built his father's tv stations into a megabroadcaster. >> we're in balt with the best majority being middle markets. the flint cities. >> reporter: heat advisois view out creating attention between management and local journalism. one telling me it sickens me with way the company is encro h encroaching upon trusted news brands in rural markets. sinclaire sent a memo saying we are focused on fact based reporting and calls the gal of those viral promos to

reiterating fact. it we know one staffer has resigned as a result. we know another station in wisconsin refused to air the promos. the company is dealing with the fall out. i'm hearing from staffers in these local news rooms who feel deeply uncomfortable having to broadcast this. >> thank you very much. i want to go to dead spin editor when you saw the anchors on the screen echoing each other. that's the viral video created by tim. tim. thank you. one channel refused to tape thoeds those promos. you wrote they look like hostages. i know you had a link to ask anchors and reporters to speak out. what have they been telling you? >> thank, erin. i've been hearing both from current sinclaire employees, past employees and future

sinclaire employees. the current ones are in a fix because the state of local tv news means that moving from job to job isn't very easy. they feel like they have responsibility to do their jobs for the sake of their families but their independence which they knew they were giving up to some degree when they started working for the station has been challenged by the degree to which they are required to read this message on air. >> it's pretty hard situation. i think you put the emotion of it. they are supporting families. you want to ask someone to step up and quit, that's much easier said than done. the executive chairman has been defending what he calls the company's corporate news journalistjournal istic campaign. given the attention your video is getting, you have put the spotlight in a whole new way, do you get the sense that more employees will come forward publicly. they will not feel alone or

isolated? >> absolutely. i'm already seeing it happen. there's a few employees who have felt bold enough to speak out about this in public. the reaction from viewers is driving some of this. there's a number of people who live in the markets who saw our video before their local market showed this promo. it's really turned a lot of the audience against their local stations. i think there's a sort of a local pr aspect to anybody from that station coming out and saying, look, we didn't write this. this is not our local station speaking. this is our corporate parent. >> all right. thank you very much, tim. i appreciate it. what a public service you've done by putting that video out and bringing so much broad attention to it. thank you. >> thank you. next, breaking news. fear offense a trade war causing stocks to plunge again. we're going to talk to someone trump supporter who said it's

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head marketed in the united states so our farm markets about 5,000 head a year. that equates to about 35,000 for our farm. >> that is a lot of money. >> that is one farmer but yes, that is not a small chunk of change. iowa is going to be hit hardest not just because of the pork products but because of ethanol. and this first round of tariffs is only in response to the steel and aluminum tariffs and we have more coming down the pike and china could decide it is going to retaliate against those as well. those will come out to probably $60 billion and china has reportedly been considering tariffs on soybeans so you will of these crops. the heart land could hit trump voters. >> and you are talking about a lot jobs. by the way, 82% of the votes

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that's more speed than at&t's comparable bundle, for less. call today. tonight, the president and the bunny suit. here is jeanne moos. >> reporter: no, it is not president trump's running mate in 2020. it is the easter bunny. and it was the bunny's face that stole the show. how we all feel when at real donald trump opens his mouth. the bunny looked perpetually stunned. the president's easter greeting veered off the bunny path. >> just think of $700 billion, that is all going into our

military. >> reporter: actually, there was a u.s. navy commander inside the bunny suit. the trump easter bunny is traumatized read a tweet. what about expressions of affection between the president and the first lady? with stories of another type of bunny making the rounds maybe the trump has hit a rough spot. they held hands. they blew whistles together to start egg roll races and he kissed her goodbye. the first lady and other luminaries read to the kids. and before kellyanne conway

read, she egged on. before the president wet his whistle, he checked. what big ears you have mr. president, all the better to ignore the president. jeanne moos, cnn. , new york. thank you for joining us, "ac 360" starts now. we begin tonight keeping them honest with what president trump did on his easter vacation. he tweeted and it is being seen as the company he is keeping. after a weekend in mar-a-lago. he had plenty to tweet about. attacking the news media except for fox news and