and thank you for joining us. you can watch "outfront" any time anywhere on cnn go. see you tomorrow night. anderson cooper begins. good evening. we begin with keeping them honest. the price in short of a president who speaks his mind, tal talks directly to the public and shakes things up. today we saw many of the president's words amount to little action. senior officials, members of the cabinet spent the day doing clinic. now you can make a policy case for or against virtually every

issue that the president has been talking about. this isn't about whether the president's ideas are good or bad. that is for voters and of course history to decide. what we want to focus on right now what actually happens after the president makes headlines by saying something in person or in tweets. it is important because it raises the question, how much weight do the words of the president of the united states actually have. syria, here are the president's prepared remarks in ohio. >> we are knocking the heck out of isis, we are coming out, very soon. 100% of the caliphate, sometime referred to as land, we are taking it all back quickly, but coming out of there real soon. >> that was a surprise. and again, there is nothing especially outlandish about it from a policy standpoint.

you can agree or disagree with the policy. but the question is, is what he says is going to be the policy. or announcement of a new policy. in this case, it is as if the rest of the administration didn't know it was going to be a policy. here is what was said yesterday. >> we are in syria to fight isis, and that is our mission. our mission isn't over and we are going to complete that mission. >> almost at the same time he was saying that yesterday, the president was saying this. >> i want to get out. i want to rebuild our nation. we will have as of three months ago, $7 trillion in the middle east over the last 17 years. we get nothing, nothing out of it. nothing. >> but today after what cnn is reporting was a contentious and

inconclusive meeting. here was the walk back from the white house. >> we are continuing to make progress. we're continuing to work with our allies and partners in the region. we want to continue transitioning into local enforcement. so that is what we are moving to as this environment has changed because of the success under the president's leadership, we're evaluating as we go. >> well, very soon, the president said on thursday, we're coming out very soon. which has morphed into evaluating as we go. another example is the budding trade war on china, and wherever you stand, it is a far cry from what the president has been saying especially on twitter and his chief economic adviser and press secretary said. today, responding to the

president's new tariffs on goods and china, chinese retaliating. therefori threatening tariffs on soy beans. >> said 500 billion down. you can't view. is that your view? you can't lose a trade war if you are $5 billion? >> i'm not sure what exactly he is referring to. >> could we lose a trade war? >> no. how is that? i'll exceed to you. i don't see it that way. this is a negotiation using all the tools. >> that was this morning. by the afternoon briefing here was the line from the white house.

>> i am not going it get ahead of the process. we are in the review process right now. certainly we -- >> again, it is a far cry from the presidential battle cries we have been seen. the same appears to be case in the wake of this presidential statement yesterday. >> until we can have a wall in security, we are going to be guarding our border with our military. that is a big step. >> that left a lot of people wondering why now. what kind of troops and what boots on the border can accomplish given laws barring the actual military from domestic law enforcement functions. this afternoon the homeland security secretary announced that the national guards will be deployed to the border. tonight the department of

homeland security is scrambling to answer those questions. it is the sort of thing that has been done in other administrations. but always before a presidential announcement was actually made. let's bring in the panel tonight. so steve, is this the way to navigate and implement policy day by day by this president or is that an unfair characterization? >> i get the point you are making and he is our first citizen president meaning he had no government experience before elected. he made a case that he was a disrupter, entrepreneur. so we should be terribly surprised that he is approaching this in an entrepreneurial fashion which at times seems chaotic but in the end has

results. he is a man who does what he says and at times, you are totally right, at times he puts his staff on their heels. and i know as somebody who had to defend him every day on the campaign. times that he put me on our heels. but that is the way entrepreneurs and visionaries operate and that is the kind of president he is being. >> bakari what about that? >> those characteristics are fair, but also fair to say that he is a president who doesn't necessarily have the capacity. he is not one who studies at all. he doesn't study these issues. and more importantly, donald trump's policy is based upon the last person he speaks to. so i think it is fair to say we have to see how theese policies

play out. how boeing and south carolina, how they will now suffer. people will feel the pain of flippant policies. we cannot have a commander of chief at the drop of a dime, curds who are allies, puts all of them in danger because of inconsistency and be the lack of a steady president. if he reads his brief, then i think some of these policy points may be fleshed out and we can have an articulate debate. >> you know, anderson -- >> does it become policy? >> no. it is ad hoccism in its worse.

we have stunning reporting tonight about this national security meeting that the president had on withdrawing from syria. and it is very clear that in this meeting, his entire national security team, and his military complex including the joint chiefs of staff, including his new cia director, including his secretary of defense who said you can't do this. you can't get out within six months, and here are the reasons why. and they were all aligned against the president who apparently got very testy and said i want this done in six months. and this is where the reality, this is where the reality comes into the sort of campaign promise and they are pushing back on him and i think it must be incredibly difficult for them. >> but gloria, you are assuming -- >> steve -- i understand your

point about him being a disrupter, the question is if what he is disrupting doesn't actually happen and they have to walk it back and figure out a lot of way to walk it back, doesn't that long-term hurt his credibility. i mean already folks on capitol hill don't seen respond to a lot of the tweets he says because they know it is not going to happen. >> i am not concerned about capitol hill because the republicans in many ways are towards destructionist. i think he should have a bit more advanced warning. and gloria, you mentioned the national staff. the national security appearatu in washington has gotten this country -- >> these are his people,

steve -- >> listen, by the way -- >> these are his people. secretary mattis is his person. pompeo is his person. >> hold on. he tolerates a lot of dissent. he does not mind people disagre disagreeing with him. in the end, he is the president. he is the one elected to decide whether or not we should be in syria. it is his call. >> can we have a level of expectation that at least requires our president to have the wherewithal and foresight to at least have studied the issues. i disagree with anderson and gloria saying this is not policy. the reason it is policy is because it reflects real people. pork farmers in iowa who are terrified. soybe soybean farmers who don't know what is going to happen.

people who volunteered for president trump and then you look at the market. it does matter. it goes up and down. what this is is bad policy. >> he promised to take on china. he promised repetitively in 2016 that he would take on china and he is doing exactly as he said. >> that is not true. that's not true, steve -- >> this is a man who is doing what he says. >> can you imagine -- >> one at a time. >> can you imagine being a senior official like bret mcburk who puts his heart and soul.

and you don't know the president is doing that and you don't think that affects our credibility, our stability, our predictability with our allies? i mean, it has got to be that the people who work for trump, these are not the outsiders, these are people who kept in these jobs. people who are giving him their best advice for what is good for the country if we want to defeat isis. >> i am glad you mentioned -- my favorite book in junior high, and we are the outsiders the d.c. soshs are staying strong. you are the president this country wants and needs because the washington swamp only exists for -- >> we got to end the discussion.

sorry, we are out of time. let's end on an "outsiders" reference. later, stormy daniels' former attorney, the one she is accusing of colluding -- tonight, speaking out on cnn. ♪ with t-mobile, get the fastest network ever, now on the fasters samsung ever. because fast should be fast. ♪ now at t-mobile, buy one samsung galaxy s9 and get one free. ♪

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. breaking news in the russian investigation. cnn has learned just how far special counsel mueller's team is going to gather evidence. they are following the money and trying to determine whether any of it found its way illegally into the cnn campaign. what can you tell us? >> certainly following the money, we heard a lot about that. and we now know that investigators have targeted thr three russian oligarchs. they stopped one of them and they questioned him and had search warrants for him and subpoena for him. and there was a second person that was stopped, a russian oligarch. and he was questioned by fbi agents. now there is a third russian oligarch that we know about who

has voluntarily handed over documents. aggressive moves by the special counsel. >> we know that it illegal for foreign nationals to donate money to u.s. campaigns. how could they have potentially gotten around it. >> if the russians were using stored donors, and were given them money and then in turn that money was going into the campaign. that has certainly been a topic of questions that people have been asked at the special counsel. they are looking at other people with perhaps connections with these russian oligarchs who may have made donations. all of this, the special counsel has had concern for some time and waiting for these russian oligarchs to make their way to the u.s. on business trips.

>> so mueller's approach with these russian oligarchs, what does it tell us about the status of the investigation? >> it seems to be at a point to where they are focusing on some of the money. this seems to indicate what mueller is doing. these aggressive moves, having fbi agents at the airport waiting for them to come in and surprising them and questioning them and giving them subpoenas. the questioning of these people has focused surrounding money. thank you very much. >> joining me know is laura coates, carrie cordero and steve hall. >> what does that tell you about where this investigation is now?

>> a few things. first of all, exploration of more investigative techniques is consistent of what we are seeing and other aspects of the government's approach in general. there has been treasury designations. some of whom were also named in the special counsel indictment of the internet research agency and other russian individuals and entities. so we are seeing that the intelligence and investigative information that the u.s. government has obtained is showing itself in different aspects of this overall investigation. second, the use of interviews at airports is actually a typical investigative technique. executing search warrants and interviewing individuals, it is not unusual for airports that are transiting from overseas

into the u.s. for that to be a point where investigators can intercept people and stop them and interview them. that piece seems as a not so unusual investigative technique in a significant investigation. >> laura, i mean these men are not u.s. citizens, do they have legal obligation to comply. saying, look, i am not going to answer any questions. you can search my plane, my mobile devices but i am not going to talk. >> you have mueller's team who may not want an actual answer, they may want the actual documentation and the evidence that is found on those phones or on their persons or laptops. they may well know isn't going to extend beyond the friendly skies. so in anticipating that they may

not be cooperating, they may have these surprise attacks. george naddar had this happen to him. all of this is about trying to get information from people who otherwise probably will not be cooperative and also about the fleeting nature of the information that they want to have. and remember, it didn't happen in just airports. paul manafort, they aknockknock his front door. that could be fleeting electronic. >> if that is in fact what they were doing, and i assume they would not be doing this on their

own accord, oligarchs, they would be doing it at the behest of the russian government. >> absolutely. they were an extension of putin's power. they have to do what he tells them. that is part of the deal. imagine that you are the russian intelligence guy back in russia who is conducting what we already know happened, attack on our elections. you have two choices, you can do it remotely with bots and trolls or look at boots on the ground. the american political system is a complex thing. you are going to get people, even americans recruited to do some of this work for you. you can't use a russian intelligence officer. you want a cutout.

they can deny the russian government and good at secretly moving money around. it wouldn't surprise me to see putin task an oligarch and get ahold of a political consultant and say how do we do this. how to influence people, right on the ground of the united states. >> carrie it seems like time and time again, we hear pieces about the investigation coming out based on the gum shoe reporting of folks from cnn, "washington post," and the washington journal. >> this is a wide ranging investigation. if we think of the whole investigation as a wheel, there

are a whole bunch of different spokes. whether it is the in-person actions that the russian government took where they tried to reach out actual protesters and set up physical confrontations amongst people who were politically active in the united states. or money, whether that is campaign finance or potentially providing influence. and then the obstruction piece. and with the other investigations, manafort, gates, we see money laundering issues. this is a big enterprise investigation that has counterintelligence and criminal investigative angles to it. so we are seeing in bits and pieces each of those angles played out. one other legal point on the border issue, if they are doing interviews of non-u.s. persons then they do have legal authority to ask questions and look at devices at the privacy.

it is lower at the border for noncitizen persons. what went on inside national security council meeting of possible withdrawal over forces in syria yesterday.

i want to get more perspective on something that gloria borger mentioned earlier, president trump arguing syria policy. the president, sources tell cnn

asked why other countries american allies have not stepped in and also complained about the cost. the president's demeanor described as testy. joining us now, is general hurtling. basically, a result of off the cuff remarks that started last week, what do you make of that? >> it didn't surprise me, in fact i read the article that is now posted regarding what was said in the room and we were talking about a little bit about that last night. national security advisers, people who spent a lot of time doing this kind of thing and soldiers and marines who spent a lot of time on the battlefield trying to persuade someone who hasn't had those experiences on impl implications of what a rapid

pull out would mean. and then hearing sarah sanders saying the president wants to turn it over to security forces on the ground. there are none, that is why there is a civil war. so it shows that there is a lack of understanding. we presume that people we elect will have a common view of national security issues and they will hear and listen to others that do and in this case there seems to be a real gap between that. and then you add what seems to be all about the money and how much we are spending and not the understanding of what it does for american security. it confounds me. >> the policy of wanting to with draw troops, you can be for or against it. for me, it is the president

announcing it it seems without having these discussions prior to announcing it. >> this isn't the first time that we have seen policy after the fact. it forces the whole rest of the interagency to react and try to come towards some of a conclusion. we can go on and on with him spouting something. and everybody has to react. to do two things to develop a policy. and to try to walk him back. and that is what they have done today. i am frankly glad that it was a testy exchange and glad that what actually happened is the state department and the pentagon has won and convince him to stay there longer. >> can you just explain what happens when american forces or

when you're trying to execute a policy and then basically an announcement that the policy has changed and not any pre amble. i understand when brener announced that the iraqi army was being disbanded. troops on the ground weren't aware. >> thank you for reminding me, that occurred when i was talking to 400 iraqi generals. it was when i was working as assistant commander. and we were telling them how we were going to incorporate them into the new security forces and return iraq in terms of a better society and they were going to help as retired general officers and keep their pensions and an aide handed me a note and saying it was just announced that the iraqi army is disbanded and

retirement benefits are going away. and you have to tell them that they no longer have a job and all the things that they trusted you to do is now out the window. it causes some problems with trying to pull an alliance together to fight the bad guy and that is what i think we are experiencing right now with forces on the ground who have been working with syrian defense fighters and also the kurds who have been depending on us to help them for a long time. >> it is interesting that the president was focused on syria bringing american forces home compared to the number of forces in say afghanistan, it is much lower in syria and in fact, you know, the u.s. policy as i understand it is to increase the troop level into afghanistan and yet no mention is made of that. >> that's right. i mean, again, there is not

consistency here in terms of how these decisions are getting made and how the inputs are coming in and that is a real concern. the numbers are much different in afghanistan and syria. and i might remind you that the pentagon was considering bolstering the levels. and i want to talk about something else. it is not about equality. we have special responsibility because we are the most powerful nation in the world. we are the ones. we have put that coalition together. and they are relying on our continued leadership. it is likely that coalition will fall apart. >> and if i can add to this. this is not a short-term issue. this is long-term and people are going to be saying if they do this today, they will do it tomorrow. so this affects us every the long-term and our strategy around the world.

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heard michael avenatti who is the current attorney for stormy daniels. but we haven't heard from ms. daniels' keith davidson. cnn sara sidner sat down with him in an exclusive interview. >> michael cohen called me in the last week or two. >> reporter: what did he say to you? >> he called to offer his opinion as to whether or not miss daniels or mcdougal had waived -- he suggested that it would be appropriate for me to go out into the media and spill my guts. >> reporter: are you here at the behest of michael cohen?

>> no. no. not in any way shape or form. >> reporter: but he did tell you to go out and spill your guts. why do you think that is? >> well, you would have to ask him. >> reporter: attorney keith davidson, is one of just a handful of people in one of two controversial and salacious cases involving president trump. >> were you in love with him? >> i was, yeah. >> reporter: and hired by porn star and director stormy daniels. davidson is now speaking exclusively to cnn after months of keeping quiet. do you believe what stormy daniels has said about the sexual encounter with mr. trump? >> i believe my client.

>> reporter: and mcdougal? >> yes. >> reporter: accepting tens of thousands of dollars which effectively kept their relationships with trump out of the press. >> it seems an awfully strange coincidence that they both landed in your lap. >> not at all. few attorneys that would go against large corporations, powerful celebrities and that is one thing that i am known for and these two ladies came to me. >> reporter: davidson says his first contact with president trump's self identified fixer. davidson called cohen. what was that conversation like? >> a lot of chest pounding. a lot of how dare you.

and we'll chase you to the ends of the earth and this is not a true story. we're going to come and get you. i said, whoa. hold on. hold your horses. that is not at all the reason for us calling. >> reporter: the story was taken down and davidson said, he, stormy daniels and michael cohen all lost touch until 2016. then, davidson said he picked up the phone and called cohen. >> reporter: and what did you call him to say? >> as a professional courtesy to let him know that a matter was resolved and that as a professional courtesy it may or may not involve his client. >> reporter: was he involved in

the deal? >> not on our end. and no basis to believe that he had involvement with ami. >> reporter: so why call michael cohen if he wasn't involved in the deal? >> a professional courtesy. >> mcdo you goal -- accused davidson as part of a nexus. >> reporter: might be a conspiracy behind. being a puppet master if you will. >> my conversation with michael cohen took place after ms. mcdougal had solidified the

deal with ami. he says i am hearing rumblings out there that the press is poking around about stormy daniels, did you have information on that? >> reporter: did you at the time? >> no. >> reporter: do you see how it might have been nefarious? >> not at all. a natural phone call for anybody to make. circle back and ask if circumstances have changed. it was an inquiry. >> reporter: that led to c confidentiality agreement. >> yes. >> reporter: and back then, did he say you to, i am having to take a loan out of my house to get this done.

is this a yes? >> no. never any conversation about that. >> reporter: days after the agreement was signed, trump unexpectedly won the 2016 election. >> what i can say is that timing is everything. >> reporter: daniels has filed a suit against donald trump, michael cohen and the company that paid her off. putting out on twitter a picture of a dvd or cd giving the idea that there is a lot of evidence that they have. can you tell us if there is anything on that dvd that you are aware of? >> i have no idea what are in the files. >> reporter: any videos, any sex tape perhaps? >> again i have no question. best asked to mr. avenatti what

is in his files. >> reporter: davidson says the whole truth has not been told. >> why are you sitting down with us? >> i would like the truth to come out. >> reporter: is the whole truth out yet? >> no, i don't believe so. i think most of it. not the whole truth. >> cnn reached out to michael cohen on the story and did not want to comment on the interview. up next hearing from michael avenatti and his response on what davidson has been saying and the latest on the lawsuit. and whiskers on kittens ♪ rs ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪

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before the break you heard from attorney keith davidson who used to represent both stormy

daniels as well as karen mcdougal, both of whom say they had affairs with then citizen donald trump and both of whom signed deals to keep their stories from coming out publicly. since then, they've both spoken out about davidson says the whole truth has not come out. joining us now is stormy daniels' current attorney, michael avenatti. you hear what davidson says. why would michael cohen, president trump's attorney who's publicly been very quiet, be calling davidson up and encouraging him now to appear on tv? >> well, anderson, that's a very interesting question. you know, this situation is very, very unusual to say the least. it raises a whole host of suspicions about exactly what's been going on between these two attorneys. michael cohen can't appear on your show or any other show to answer the most basic questions, and yet he's trying to act as a puppeteer and evidently succeeding to a certain degree as it relates to mr. davidson. this is very, very disturbing to say the least. >> michael cohen has said that

he paid the money out of his own pocket. we know that by now, and that it had nothing to do with the trump organization or with the election. mr. cohen's attorney and friend, attorney in another matter, was on megyn kelly's show recently, and i just want to play something he said because it caught our attention. >> michael cohen had great authority within that organization. >> got it. >> to take care of things. >> to fix. >> so he's talking about michael cohen as a representative of the trump organization. that's a point that you have been making all along that michael cohen did this as part of the trump organization, which is michael cohen saying he did this on his own. >> well, exactly. megyn kelly asked mr. schwartz last week point blank about the $130,000. and when he went to give the explanation, he starts talking about the trump organization and the wide latitude that michael cohen has within the organization. where i come from, anderson, we call that check mate. it's clear as day what happened

here. this was not something personal by mr. cohen. it had everything to do with donald trump and the trump organization. and mr. schwartz just put his foo foot in his mouth and admitted it on national television last week with megyn kelly. >> mr. schwartz has said in television interview that someday someday and her people are the ones that contacted michael cohen before the election and that's what generated ultimately this hush agreement. keith davidson is saying it was michael cohen who called him because he had heard rumblings about a possible interview. that seems an essential difference in their stories. >> well, it is an essential difference, and it's consistent, anderson, with what we've been saying for weeks and what my client told you in the interview. that's not what happened. what happened was that cohen contacted davidson. it was not the other way around. this was not some shakedown effort by my client against mr. trump. it just didn't happen.

>> keith davidson has said, though, that the whole story has not come out yet, that most of it has but some things haven't. he is bound by attorney-client privilege with stormy daniels even though he no longer represents her. some people have said, well, look, why don't you release -- or why doesn't stormy daniels agree to release keith davidson from the attorney-client privilege so that he can say whatever he wants to say? >> well, i mean that's certainly something we'll consider. it's highly unusual. you know, i think if the president or michael cohen would waive their attorney-client privilege, we'd certainly be willing to do that. i doubt they're going to do it. but, you know, i've been very careful in what i've said about keith davidson, anderson, over the last few weeks. but i'm going to say this. keith davidson is an absolute tool. he is an absolute tool, and i'm going to say it on national television tonight because what he has done by giving this interview is really unheard of in the legal profession. for him to go out and comment on two matters, one for mcdougal and one for my client after he

was terminated in both cases, all in an effort, i guess, to get his name out there or his face on competition, is really outrageous, and it's unethical, and there's going to be serious consequences that result from it. i'm shocked. >> you think he has violated attorney-client privilege? >> oh, i think he's violated the attorney-client privilege for both clients. i think he's violated numerous ethical canons. i know for a fact he was on notice from both clients that he was not to be communicating with the media. and it appears that the only reason he did it was because mr. cohen wanted him to do it. he was in contact with mr. cohen, who is encouraging him to go out on television and tell his story, presumably to support mr. cohen. i guess mr. davidson is now the new mr. schwartz. mr. schwartz has been replaced now by mr. davidson. it's remarkable. >> michael avenatti, appreciate it. thanks very much. stay with us. a great deal to get to tonight. in the next hour, new reporting

on the mueller team questioning russian oligarchs about possibly illegal cash donations. also a flurry of activity about sending national guard troops to the u.s.-mexico border. we'll be right back. ♪ with t-mobile, get the fastest network ever, now on the fasters samsung ever. because fast should be fast. ♪ now at t-mobile, buy one samsung galaxy s9 and get one free. ♪

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