continues his humiliated celebration. he will try to start the masters. >> it is like a perfect right angle. >> it is just a perfect -- it looked like it was fractured. he will have an mri this morning and try to tee off at 8:30 a.m. >> a right well, thank you for joining us this morning. i'm rene marsh. >> i'm dave briggs. "new day" starts right now. the president has directed that the department of defense to deploy the national guard to our southwest border. >> i'm frankly glad to see him stepping up. i think it's a necessary step. >> this is just a political fix because he made a stupid campaign promise over a stupid border wall. >> i want to get out. i want to bring our troops back home. >> his entire national security team said you can't do this. the president got very is testy.

>> if he pulls out it's very likely the coalition falls apart. >> mueller's team is targeting russian oligarchs. >> it's always been follow the mope. that's what it was in watergate. that's what it is here. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day", thursday, april 5th. chris is off. david gregory joins me. great to have you. >> good being here. >> one step closer to deploying national guard troops to the border of mexico. the plan is scant on details. we don't know how many troops, where they will go, how long they will be there, or who will pay for it. as or for the plan in syria, cnn has learned that president trump got testy with top military brass and national security team when they advised him against an immediate withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria.

the president has given them six months to finish the mission and get out. >> and concerns of a trade war. could this all be a negotiating tactic for president trump? >> plus, a cnn exclusive this morning. special counsel mueller's team is questioning wealthy russian oligarchs to determine if they illegally channeled cash into the trump campaign. we want to begin with cnn's abby phillip at the white house this morning. abby, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, david. the president has sent his national security and immigration teams scrambling this morning after some sudden pronouncements in public have caused them to try to make them happen in real life on both syria and on this border wall.

>> until we can have a wall and proper security, we're going to be guarding our border with the military. that's a big step. >> reporter: president trump officially signing a memorandum to deploy the national guard to the border with mexico calling the situation a point of crisis after fuming about immigration for days. >> it will take time to have the details in place but we are moving quickly. >> reporter: the united states is imperiled by a distract surge of illegal activity on the southern border. >> why is this such an urgent priority right now for the president to sign? >> i think what i would say is the numbers continue to increase. april traditionally is a month in which we see more folks crossing the border without a legal right to do so. >> reporter: data from a department of homeland security study last fall indicated that illegal border crossings through

2016 were at their lowest in five years. >> we are way down. we have fewer people trying to come across because they know it's not going to happen. >> reporter: new board or patrol statistics show 37% spike in attempted border crossings in the last month. the secretary of homeland security saying this when pressed about president trump's suggestion that the military pay for the border wall. >> what he meant was there are some lands that the department of defense owns where we see illicit activity. we're looking into options for the military to build a wall at military installations on the border. >> reporter: this has cnn learns new details about the tense

meeting tuesday. sources say the president grew te irritated when they advised him against withdrawing troops from syria. >> we'll be coming it of syria, luke, very soon. let the other people take care of it now. >> reporter: senior administration officials said the president complained at length about the amount of money being is spent in the region, telling advisers he wants troops out within the next six months. press secretary sayre is ra sanders releasing a statement wednesday night insisting the administration will not rest until they are held accountable for chemical attacks. >> we want to focus on transitioning to local enforcement as well as have our allies and partners in the region who have a lot more at risk to put more skin into is the game. >> reporter: well, after all of this, the president is pivoting

back to taxes today. he will to west virginia for the fourth time since taking office for a roundtable on that issue. the border, tax reform, syria ahead of the 2018 midterm elections. alisyn and david. >> thank you, abby, very much for all the reporting from the white house. let's bring in errol lewis and john avlon. border crossings for the month of march up 37%. here are the incomes. they're interesting. look specifically at what has happened in march through the years. you can see in 2017 there was an outlier year, which was quite low. 16,000. 2018, it goes up to 50,000 border crossings. the president has a predicate for sending troops to the border. he can just look at these numbers. he can reveal these. that may not have been his motivation. but other presidents have done this.

so how significant? >> i think it's is significant politically more so than operationally. i don't think we're going to look at the next round of numbers and see it drop down to 16, 14, 13, or anything ike that. and it's not intended to. this is what i would call security theater. it's akin to what you see at the airports. they make you take off your shoes, hop on one foot, to make you feel some effort is being made to secure the nation. we know from the experts that's not what is going on at all. this is not a matter of if there is a wall there, if there are troops there, you can stop people. and if not, they will come flooding in. there are push/pull factors there are more. what he wants is the image. he wants the incomes. >> back in 2006 when bush did it, when president obama did it,

in both cases there was a broader context, as there is here, some type of bigger immigration deal with more enforcement and mr. pathway to citizenship or not, and now you have the wall. >> that's right. it is usually a carrot stick offering to show i'm willing to be tough on the border if we can pull together a broader deal. here's the thing. this is a president that exemplifies governing by impulse. he is able to break with advisers and a scurry of activity. occasionally he breaks from reality. this particular instance about him react to go a problem with his base and things he's seen on television. all of a sudden you have more national guard troops at the border and a government trying to implement his desires. with syria, it is more comp rated, that reality show. but in instance in particular is not being driven by a real

problem. it is being driven but a perception of a problem and political problem with his base. >> the mexican foreign minister said something interesting. he said they wouldn't be armed. and who is going to pay for this? is that different? >> it is coming from deep within. more politics. it is for show. frankly, again, operationally, it's not like you have to have people with guns to stop desperate, starving, low income migrants from crossing the border. maybe you just want to scare people away and make a show of things. >> there is this issue of a

complicated reality people coming not just from mexico but central america who are seeking asylum status, seeking to escape danger. there have been well documented cases of single women escaping abusive relationships in mexico, maybe part of the drug trade and elsewhere. none of this is addressed by this. if you can come while the matter is being adjudicated. it raises this question of why now is this a priority? our jeff zell is any was questioning sarah sanders at the white house about this yesterday. >> why is this such an urgent priority right now for the president to sign? >> i think what i would say is the numbers continue to increase. april traditionally is a month in which we see more folks crossing the border without a legal right to do so. we are seeing more and more advertising unfortunately by the traffickers and smugglers to our south specific how to get around

our system, enter our country and stay is. why today, not yesterday, tomorrow? today is the day. >> is this homeland security? passover is coming. we have to stop the border flows. >> it is a seasonal thing. it's april. the crossings will be up. it is basically because the president said so. if it were attached to a broader immigration deal, as seemed to be possible in october, this would be great policy and great politics. but it doesn't seem to be. it is government by impulse. >> something else the president said that people are not immediately springing to do, and that is remove u.s. troops from syria. our elise has reporting that in fact, he is getting pushback from military folks about how to do this, when to do this, why to

do this? the president said they need to finish within is six months. the president wants our troops home. he said that before. interesting, errol, this is what he hit president on 'bama for time and again. don't tell the enemy what your going to do. don't give a timeline. don't play your hand. don't telegraph it to the world. >> this is what he said and his actions are taking him in a different direction. impulsivity. i wants it done sucks months from nsix months from now? oh, that's right around the time of the elections. on the other hand, you have military officials telling him in so many words this is a long

war. this is not going to get done in six months. it might not get done in six years. this is sort of an ongoing fight against the forces of radicalism which, if you allow them to regroup, if you pull out and sort of let them hang out in the desert and reconstitute themselves, we'll be having this conversation again. >> the president said as a candidate we're going to defeat isis. we're not going to cut and run. he made a huge deal of that. at the same time, the tension piece is just what obama felt, where he felt he got rolled by the military. this is a perennial problem. how long do you stay in a region where the an seasons of u.s. leadership can create a vacuum? >> yeah. the entire reason we have a problem with isis in syria is because, in large part, there was a vacuum. he believes we need to get troops out.

he said at a rally in ohio, we're pulling out. they don't know the timeline. there is a scramble to do it. first of all, he's contradicting by insisting on six months. exactly what he hit president obama on. you have the watches but we have the time. we're going to win this fight ultimately. the second is the generals trying to say what is your real outcome. you make a lot of noise propertily about isis being on the run. baghdadi is not yet caught. it's not entirely extinguished. you have unanimous dissent from the military brass and trump frustrated. maybe he wants to create a condition to move the costs to saudi arabia. you have military brass with real world possibilities. russian oligarchs are in the

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indirectly into dom trump's campaign and inauguration. the trump administration is expected to sanction several russian oligarchs with ties to president trump over election spwrfrps. let's discuss that now with john avlon and carrie cordero. carrie, what's the play here? what are they looking at? is this in the sweet spot of mueller's mandate? >> good morning. i think it certainly adds another layer to what we already knew about special counsel's investigation as revealed through the indictment, the big indictment of the internet research agency and other russian entities and oligarchs that the special counsel's office already had filed. so in that indictment, those individuals were charged in this case. and so what this new report shows is that the activity of certain russian oligarchs is not have the investigator answer perspective just related to the

activity that was laid out in that indictment but also there may be another layer of activity in this case perhaps providing money directly or indirectly to the campaign. so there's more to come. i think we already have indicators that they were looking at this set of individuals. but there's more to come. >> look, it just stands to reason, follow the money. >> follow the rubles. >> if they have ton of money to spread around or maybe even with real estate. to figure out if donald trump was compromised somehow before that. >> right. questions of real estate and money laundering may be separate from what mueller is going through here. he is looking at did they use, for example, straw donors to make illegal donations. that is fascinating. i'm sorry, the trump's campaign. one of the big accusations

against manafort is and open questions around this election, the fact that they are targeting oligarchs, people are being detained when they come here, being asked tough questions. the mueller probe is widening. not just a side op via social media but money and perhaps to compromise key figures as well. >> it is illegal for foreign nationals to contribute to an american campaign. there's questions about potential financial ties that donald trump and his businesses had to russian oligarchs. now they are investigating whether there is money coming into the campaign. all the while you have sanctions against russian oligarchs. you have a crackdown coming. >> you're absolutely right.

it is clearly under the campaign finance laws or for foreign entities providing campaign donations. what er seeing is i would look from a positive develop. there are parts of the u.s. government notwithstanding the president's rhetoric that are working together to put together investigative and intelligence information laying the groundwork to establish sanctions. they were named in the special counsel's indictment. john is right. where we see the overall investigation looking at one hand social media and propaganda efforts, on the other hand trying to influence people on the ground during the campaign time period, where there was

enter interaction in the u.s. during the election. and whether or not the russians, in addition to personal interaction and social media, also had financial impact. >> this is the point. there could have been all of these attempts, all of these measures taken. that is the distinction. >> it is. if facebook attempt to influence people's mind did impact people's votes but only in their heads, that's a per cural 20th century question. if it is money, money laundering, oligarchs and/or the russian internet agency influencing, that's a different criteria. then you have questions of collusion, the campaign, the broader trump associates, and russians.

>> thank you for that segue. >> you're welcome. that was an assist. >> that leads us to roger stone. >> all roads. >> all roads lead to roger stone. long-time friend and associate of donald trump's. and the question has always been what exactly did he know, who exactly was he communicating with? and he seems to be bragging during this period of communicating with julian assange and others and then trying to walk it back. we have located an interview he gave to info wars where he was trying to say what he knows. here it is. >> the clinton campaign favor donald trump and the russians are leaking the information this is inoculation because as you

said earlier they know what is coming and it is devastating. let's remember that their defense in all of the clinton foundation scandals has been not, we didn't do it, it has been you have no proof. yes, but you have no proof. well, i think julian assange has the proof and i think he's going to furnish it to the american people. >> he said he has communicated with assange. that's august 15th. he had direct messages, we know this, with the russian intel guy. so how are they going to figure out what in fact, roger stone knows in. >> alisyn, i think we can derive from that from the investigative standpoint, there will be a point when investigators are able to piece together the truth of what roger stone knew, who he

communicated with, when he communicated with them. that will get resolved, i feel confident. what is less unclear and we'll see whether or not the eventual factual story reveals this, is whether or not roger stone had advanced knowledge and what his communication with or coordination with the campaign was, if he did have advanced knowledge. and then another piece is the role of wikileaks in this. >> is right. >> so there is the roger stone personal piece, what his personal involvement may or may not have been, the knowledge. and what is the role of wikileaks. this is a bigger question for the intelligence community. the cia director pompeo has come out and said last spring that wikileaks is a hostile tkrbg works with hostile intelligence agencies. >> good point.

>> ropblg or stone has created his own trap. but there is a pattern of hum bragging and talking about things he expects from julian assange. information that later comes out. you can't spin your way out. thank you both very much. president trump getting testy with advise issers over immediately trying withdraw troops from syria. what are the risks if the u.s. leaves now or the next six months? we dig deeper on that incomes.

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damascus this morning. good morning to you. >> reporter: hi, david. certainly those words from president trump sent is a clear signal. all the players here in syria, both international and national ones, that america wants out of here. that has done a lot to undermine america's credibility here on the ground. if you look at america's allies, isis, the kurds, they are quite ang angry. ground forces fighting isis ask and thought america would be in it for the long run. some of the forces are already talking to russia. president trump says he wants other countries to step up here in syria. three countries that certainly are stepping up, iran, turkey, and russia. i would say right now the russians are the strongest outside player here inside syria, especially where i am in the damascus area. the the three countries had a

summit about the future of syria. clearly america not at the table. america sort of getting squeezed out of the equation as to what this country will look like in the future, alisyn and david. >> thank you, fred. joining us to talk about syria is richard haass author of "world in disarray" now available in paperback. do you understand what president trump's policy is? >> we no longer have a syria policy. he has agreed to continuation of a counterterrorism policy, counterisis policy in syria. but he has taken the united states out of the competition, shall we say, to shape the political future of syria. >> by announcing this? >> by announcing this. essentially he sent a message that the united states is not there to stay. for as long as we stay it is an

anti isis. we are living with the government. russia, turkey, eye ran, you essentially decide the future of this country. >> let's pick up on that. we have seen this before. i think if we have learned one overarching lesson from 9/11 is that failed states result in safe havens, result in critical threats to our national security. so in syria, you both have that, which is how isis was able to form. but you also have this vacuum that iran and russia are eager to fill. what does that mean? if the u.s. pulls out of this idea to shape syria's future, what advantage is it specifically for russia? >> it shows russia is willing to act decisively so others will start aligning themselves with russia. even on the narrow counterterrorism. it means it's a question of when and not if.

we may have to go back. groups like isis, al qaeda, similar to that, one way or the other they will find a way to reconstitute themselves. the president needs to take on board the idea this is not a traditional war. this kind of war doesn't have a beginning, middle, end. it just continues as long as the terrorists want to apply their trade. we have to be there modestly, but we need to be there working with locals. in this case the syrian kurds. this haste for clarity, for completion is totally inconsistent with the nature of the enemy we're fighting. >> suspect the push back, look, obama felt he got rolled by the military by surging up in afghanistan. the forever war in afghanistan is still at some point going to result in the taliban being in the government. so is the only answer that the u.s. has to have some presence to keep terrorism from taking root? and that's a tough pill to swallow. >> i don't know why it is that tough a pill to swallow.

keeps troops in place to turn them into democracies or something, that is a bridge too far. but the idea that we may need to keep limited numbers of troops in several countries around the world, this would be one, one in afghanistan. >> we're still in korea. >> for limited purposes. you could keep them for the limited purpose of deterrence, for the limited purposes of counterterrori counterterrorism. that's something the the president needs to level with the american people on. again, this haste to bring the boys and girls back home. i understand it. it is at outside with the nature of the adversary we are fighting. if we leave, we will be back under far worse circumstances. >> about the adversary, what is the status report on eyes dismiss have they been mostly decimat decimated? have they lost all their land? >> they have been dramatically

weakened. but they're not a traditional army. they feed off discontent, radicalism. they will reform. we saw it in arm. we have seen it here. we have seen it in afghanistan. >> you are talking about critical infrastructure. preventing syria from failing. who picks up that mantle? who is responsible against the back drop of an historic refugee crisis? >> that's a whole separate set of questions. more than half the the population, more than half is internally displaced or across borders of refugees. the government wants to reassert authority. lots of sunni arabs, the kurds obviously did not want that. iran and russia is helping it. as the government reasserts authority, rather than alleviating, they are exacerbating it. more and more innocent women, men, and children are being

killed. so there is no answer to your question. >> what happened to not telegraphing your plans to the enemy? president trump talked about how barack obama made all of these mistakes, letting know when we would be getting out? now he is doing the very is same thing. what's that about? >> donald trump has two fundamental views about the world. we have seen them both in the last 24 hours. one is trade. he thinks the united states is disadvantaged by trade. he believes the costs of american involvement in the world far outweighed the benefits. he is quasi isolationist. he wants to bring people back home. this is his whole view of american history. he said what have we gotten for this. if only we did less abroad, america could have been great. this is at the core of his philosophy. >> i think that is what it is.

though it is strange he is doing the very thing that he, you know, so often hit president obama on. >> and it can't work. the fund memories of this world is what happened in places like syria, rehe moat parts of afghanistan. the world isn't las vegas. things don't stay there. things come here. we are going to be affected for better and often for worse by developments around the world because of globalization. that affects climate change, trade, terrorism, you name it. so mr. trump has this attention of his preferences. >> we also can't forget process matters. there is a process to how you implement and move forward on foreign policy, especially on issues of troop withdrawal. >> look at the north korea summit. this is three to four moves ahead. this is foreign policy.

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the art of the deal. this is a he president who has been consistent. this may be a way to get them to the table. >> with all due respect the secretary is of commerce, it's easier to begin wars than it is and we can't say where this is to take us. we need serious trade with china. there's legitimate grounds. what's not smart is kicking off

a trade war. >> is this a negotiation or start of a trade war? >> confrontation kwral approach. it is high-risk strategy. we could have it it without all the style. he likes to begin with a controversial boom. he is he hoping that sets the stage where the other side is more likely to compromise. mr. trump did not yank the united states out of the trance pacific partnership week one of his presidency. with another 11 cups at our side saying, hey, china, here's the higher rules you need to play by.

>> the critique has been consistent. in the short history of the administration, he was appealing to china. there was getting leverage on north korea. so he didn't have his foot to the metal when it came to trade until he did, which is now. >> right. this is an interesting debate whether this hurts or helps towards north korea. china is pretty much going to do what it is going to do on north korea based on the merits of its strategic considerations there. i think the real question here is whether this does lead to an acceptable settlement where china restrains its behavior in the trade realm. kwro i don't see the need for this and for taking the risk that we won't be able to work things out. then it will escalate. >> here's what concerns me. yesterday they saw how rattled the markets were. they made a point, the president

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i might need an assist. i'm reading sports. few can compare with the fun and excitement of the annual par 3 contest. coy wire has more in the "bleacher report". tell us everything. >> i'm going to bring levity to your morning. sweet moments. brought to you by ford, going further so you can. yesterday the par 3 competition is known for golfers having their families there, their caddies. watch this moment. kevin chapel had his wife elizabeth, 15-year-old daughter and son wyatt as his caddies.

watch him celebrate after sinking the putt. he throws the ball in the lake. was he celebrating or was this the terrible twos? i turn 3 next week, dad. i just want to go home. jack nicklaus letting his 15-year-old grandson take his last tee shot. perhaps the sweetest moment we will see out of this year's masters. grandpa, six-time masters champ who will hit the ceremonial first tee shot with gary player said you are going to hit a hole in one, kid. look at that. nicklaus was graduate to tears. his grandson's first ever of hole in one. all eyes on tiger woods, jordan spieth. what do you think? >> i think he's