of being deployed, new information just in the last couple of minutes. they will be acting in support roles, not necessarily working on the front lines. texas national guard officials say over the next 72 hours, 250 people will be deployed. not sure where they will be. >> thank you so much. live in the border tonight. thanks for joining us all of you, anderson cooper starts now. >> good evening tonight, my conversation with roger stone, just this week, the "wall street journal" reports. robert mueller has been asking questions about stone. president trump has been taking preliminary steps preparing for

a possible interview with the special counsel. our pamela brown joins us on that. what have you learned. >> reporter: the preparations have been short and informal. and include going over potential topics mueller might raise. the president has not formally agreed to a sit-down with mueller, these preparations are a sign that the president's legal team is intensifying deliberations on whether to allow him to come under mueller's questioning and the clearest sign yet that trump and his team remains open with the possible interview. the sources we spoke with though, caution that the more formal lengthier proceedings to prepare for an interview have not begun yet, these are initial steps that are still in their

infancy. both white house -- this is entering this new phase of preparation. >> the president has seemed receptive to sitting for the interview. is that still the case? >> reporter: the press tells us the president shows more enthusiastic outwardly. publicly he says he would love to do the interview under oath. but privately, more equivocal about answering mueller's questions depending on the day. the risk of speaking to prosecutors who have already charged 19 individuals with criminal offenses including lying. multiple aides continue to describe him as being obsessed with the probe. feeling this investigation

undermines his president. his legal team continues to go back and forth of the possibility of an interview. those negotiations continue. >> joining us now carrie cordero and anne milgram. >> one of two things. he is starting to prepare and beginning soft questioning or getting him comfortable with him. and the other is, testing him out. you would never let someone like the president of the united states walk into an interview and not have him prepped for a good amount of time. they want to see does he lie. how does he respond when he gets questioned. there is this question of how will he do in an interview and a lot of question of whether he should actually sit for the interview. >> carrie, he has been deposed before. and he actually has done a lot

better than a lot of people may think. there are concerns that people close to him fear it might -- could he still face perjury charges. >> even if he is not under oath like he would be in a grand jury type proceeding. the big question for these interviews is what is the scope of them substantively. are the interviews going to be limited only to matters pertaining to the russian influence investigation or is it going to cover obstruction or start covering issues involving money during the campaign or personal and corporate finances. the level of risk for him in both preparing and being ready and being able to sit through that interview in a way that he comes out in a way that is

positive for him depends in large part on what the substance of the interviews will be. >> what happens if the president declines to sit for the interview? >> i think it is a real possibility to me it is an open question whether the special counsel would issue a subpoena. to me, it is likely that the special counsel will end it with a report. mueller is bound by all of the existing dod exist daung -- doj policy. so i think it is very possible that mueller will go the next step to issue the subpoena. mueller will want him to come in voluntarily and do everything he can to get there. if we get to the point of no sbe

or interview with a subpoena, or some modification mueller will want that interview. >> do you think the president is more receptive to that interview. mueller told president trump's lawyer, he is not a criminal target. >> based on that particular, that is probably a missed placed level of confidence. he is the subject of an investigation, and if that is correct, he does have some exposure, again, depending on which angle it takes. if he is a subject of investigation, there is still a significant risk for him. we talk about, is he exposed to purge perjury, and that is only if he doesn't tell the truth. and if they have other evidence that contradicts his testimony.

>> thanks very much. a figure who has reportedly drawn the interest of mueller, roger stone was a campaign adviser. publicly, harolding damaging information. and hacker known as gucifer 2.0 which stone argues against. democrats warn stone's warnings might indicate advanced warning. roger stone joins us now. thanks for being with us. >> thank you for your kind invitation. >> i want you to ask about this news of the president, these initial steps prepping. in your opinion, should the president ever sit down with the special counsel. >> i have said on info wars

repeatedly that i thought it was a perjury trap. some process related crime that doesn't relate to russia. i believe the special counsel is biased. and the political nature of this investigation. i think it is very dangerous for the president to do so. mr. dowd, who i read had advised against this is correct. i think it is a bad idea. >> would there be a political cause if he was subpoenaed by mr. mueller. >> i am not an attorney. it was interesting to listen to the previous segment. >> his supporters would they care if the president is subpoenaed? >> i don't think it would hurt him. no, i think the president is very, very strong and has intense support in his base.

no erosion in his position and in fact, i think his approval rating is moving up as the competent moves up and the prospects of the denuclearized korea, i think all of those things strengthen the president's handled. >> would you like to see the president fire the special counsel. >> i think that from a political point of view, while there may be grounds to do so, i think it would allow the president's detractors to aargue he sacked mr. mueller because mueller was on the verge of finding russian collusion or conspiracy or coordination which i don't believe is the case. i suggested the president should fire mr. rosenstein because of his role of approving the trump campaign of falsifying the dossier and i think the

president should direct the attorney general to appoint a special couns special prosecutor to look at fisa abuses. >> do you think the attorney general should be placed? the president has been publicly, i don't know if humiliating is the right word but has had tough words for him over a long period of time. >> i have been deeply disappointed in the attorney general and i have said again, commentary for info wars and at the stone cold truth that i think the president should dismiss his attorney general. >> have you had contact with mueller's office at this point? >> i have not. >> would you agree to sit down for an interview? >> i would need to know a great deal more about what they wanted to talk about. right now in the mainstream media, we have an ongoing story

which is not, not new pertaining to this e-mail and if i didn't know better, i would sam nunberg was trying to frame me. >> he asked questions about you about this e-mail that you sent him and we have to take a quick break. we will have more with you in just a moment. talk more about roger's relationship or lack there of with julian assange. more on that ahead. ♪ a wealth of information. a wealth of perspective. ♪ a wealth of opportunities. that's the clarity you get from fidelity wealth management.

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clinton. >> reporter: came from wikileaks julian assange himself. on july 22nd just as he promised and on the day hillary clinton was allowancing her running mate, nearly 20,000 e-mails were released. and perks provided to party donors. the following month august 4th2016, sending this e-mail to nunberg. i dined with my new pal julian assange. that same day stone gave an interview. >> let's remember that their defense, all of the clinton foundation scandals has been not we didn't do it. has been you don't have proof.

i think julian assange has the proof and going to furnish it to the american people. >> reporter: the next day, stone tweeted hillary lies about russian involvement in dnc hack, julian assange is a hero. stone later explains that he also jokes about visiting assange during a phone call. it had been nothing but a throw-away line. i simply milked the joke a little more in a subsequent e-mail. end of story. was it all a joke? the conservative website said stone showed them a boarding pass from jfk to los angeles. he also provided another boarding pass showing he flew on delta air lines from los angeles to miami, florida, he would have

arrived on august fourth 4th. the daily caller also reports stone's credit card show a deli in santa monica. putting him in los angeles, thousands of miles away from ecuador's embassy in london where julian assange has been since 2012 inform asylum. someone he later names to be new york radio host randy creditco. he refused to talk about it during an interview last year. >> i am not at liberty courtesy of my counsel to talk about roger stone or to talk about wikileaks or julian assange.

>> reporter: we know stone and wikileaks have communicated. in these private twitter messages now made public. stone messages wikileaks that since he has been defending him and assange, they may want to reexamine the strategy in attacking it. however the false claims are being used by the democrats to undermine the impact of our publication. don't go there if you don't want us to correct you. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> mr. stone, in your testimony on capitol hill, you denied any direct communication with julian assange. you say you actually had communicated with assange. what has been your communication

direct or otherwise with assange. >> i had said i never communicated with assange. that is correct. i have never met with him or spoken to him on the phone, e-mailed with him, face time, so on. i am an admirer of him. i think he is a journalist. my speech before the southwest broward republican club in which i speak of communication refers to a confirming source in this case i called him a back channel because it was a dramaticized in his speech. but back channel intermediary confirming course who told me yes indeed, and this was someone who was close to people on the wikileaks legal team that indeed what assange told cnn was

accurate. that he had devastating information that would royal the campaign. >> you used that term, back channel communication. you referred to him this radio goo as a back channel, intermediary. back channel does imply information source. was there an exchange of information? >> you can argue there is some hyperbole, but no more than cnn recently reported unearthed or recently discovered when it was on youtube for the last eight months. >> was there any exchange of information. >> i'm sorry. let me answer your question.

including the allegedly hacked e-mails. i never received anything whatsoever from wikileaks, julian assange or anyone associated with them including allegedly hacked e-mails and passed them on to donald trump. >> did you ever give anything to julian assange? >> no i did not. >> the e-mail that you sent sam nunberg where you said you had dinner with assange. you said it was a joke. i just, i am just wondering, of all of the things to joke about, why that? how does that get you off the phone faster. if anybody said to me i am having dinner with julian assange, i would stay on the phone longer. >> it was being played on in the political media around the edges of the campaign. it was a hot topic. sam is somewhat neurotic, he would sometimes call you 30, 40 times a day often with nothing

to say other than what is going on. when you let his phone calls roll over to voice message, i would becoming annoyed with you. demonstrate no such trip was made. i did produce airline tickets and so on. here is the one thing i got right. when i was in west hollywood, i stayed at the london hotel. >> have you been in communication with others who have been in touch with as -- assange. >> no i have not. >> as i was writing the question, i knew that was going to be the answer. you revealed public tweets and private messaging communicating with gucifer 2.0. i know you say you don't believe. that the tweets and the dms that

have been publicly reported are they the sum at the moment of all your communication with gucifer 2.0? >> yes, absolute. it was interested media organizations knew it was there. hard to know unless you had been hacked. the "new york times" had reported that i was a subject of a fisa warrant along with paul manafort and carter page. and the times never retracted that. and i know the government is denying that in the back and forth between manafort and the government. >> you believe they had been monitoring you? >> what i am saying i don't know to what extent all of my e-mails and communication may have been monitored. >> there is reporting that u.s. investigators trace to gru.

>> well, the problem is that my communication is completely ex post facto, happens weeks after wikileaks has published the allegedly hacked e-mails. consequently, it makes collusion chronologically impossible based on the context and the timing of this communication. by the way, i was covering this for info wars and spoke with hundreds of journalist. >> you had a phone conversation in the spring of 2013. if true, that would significant because it was months before wikileaks announced that assange 20 on british television and announced he had information on hillary clinton. did that conversation occur? >> no it did not.

the time's piece is flawed. by the time their story posted, the e-mail was gone but the alleged contents of the e-mail remained the lead of the story. this is hearsay. two sources say stone said. i had no advanced knowledge of the content or the source of the wikileaks disclosure. the idea that i knew about john po desa's e-mails were hacked. >> it is often misquoted but if that conversation didn't occur, i want to ask for the record did you at that time have knowledge that assange had gotten e-mails on senior democrats? >> no i did not. so, the source says two things, he -- the e-mail that was

alleged. >> time in the barrel, what did you mean by that? >> well, the panama papers published in april of 2016, expose the podesta brothers. >> tony podesta, not john. >> my reference is to both brothers. i wrote an extensive piece about john podesta's banking dealings in russia and how luke rattive that was. it was a reference to the subsequent mainstream media

focus on the podesta brothers various businesses. nowhere did i predict the hacking of john podesta's e-mails. >> and you are saying the evidence is because you say podesta plural. >> you said over and over and most recently this afternoon that you never had any advance knowledge of the context or the source. the washington post recently pointed out that you seemed to be careful in the words you used. you always say the content, the source, the exact timing, can you just say categorically that you had no advanced knowledge of the hacked e-mails? >> yes, i can. categorically. and the reason i say it that way is because i actually believe that assange would make public disclosures on october 1st which he did not. but on the first, he did

announce subsequent schedules for data dumps. >> you have also said quote let's be clear, i had no advanced notice of wikileaks hacking of podesta's e-mails. can you say you had no advanced knowledge that the hacked e-mails existed? >> yes, i absolutely categorically can. >> yes, and we addressed the john podesta question. >> special counsel mueller's, have been -- does it concern you that you vice presidehaven't be. >> the source is sam nunberg, how reliable a source is he? i have done nothing wrong. and i have substantial bank of e-mails. i am involved in politics.

and my e-mails involve all kinds of things. smoke and mirrors, failed initiatives, tested ideas. but there is no evidence of treason or collusion with the russian state or any other violation of the law. donald trump did not need help from russia to beat hillary clinton. he ran an historic, and amazing campaign and she had run a horrible campaign that i have seen. >> you have been remarkably consistent in what you have said in your defense all along. one thing that stood out to me and i know it is a weird thing, but i have to ask you about it, in an interview with "time" magazine in february 2017, you say you may have been poisoned with plu knownium?

>> i was extraordinarily ill. i have lesions on my face from that illness. my doctor believes i was poisoned. believe there was radioactive element to that. i have never been this sick in my life. >> do you have any files that you can release on that or the medical report? you said the sample was said to the cdc. >> i don't think my health is of great interest to the american people other than half of them that wish i could drop dead. i am the conservative that ever liberal loves to hate. >> -- if somebody was poisoned with plun nommium.

>> i was also t-boned in a hit and run. it is not inconceivable that some people would not my testimony in this matter. >> you did leave the scene of that so there is no record that you were in the car. i know you did look like you had injuries. if you were hit in a hit and run, why leave the scene before the police showed up. >> no one was injured and i waited one hour and it was a workday. >> i want to get your take on the white house today, how the interworkings of the white house, how you see it. if you stick around, that would be great. allergies with sinus congestion and pressure? you won't find relief here. go to the pharmacy counter for powerful claritin-d.

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talk with roger stone long time associate of the president. former campaign adviser. thanks for being with us. so cnn is reporting that the president increasingly believes he is his own best adviser, would you encourage him in that? is that a wise move for him? >> i say let trump be trump. he is run the most improbable and brilliant campaign in american history based on all of the measurements of the things we think are necessary. he came, he staged an extraordinary come from behind victory. i think he understands leadership and the need to get the economy growing.

the appointment of kudlow will help the president make this economy cook. increasingly he has found his sea legs and is doing what the president doing. if there is a convoy coming towards our border. >> he will say something announce and there is a lot of people in his administration having to scramble to catch up. is that the right way to lead when you are the president of the united states. i get it when you are running a corporation or running a campaign. >> my only criticism has been to some extent that he surrounds himself with people who don't share his world view. i think the appointment of john bolton is a positive thing. i think the appointment of mike

pompeo who is skeptical of the nuclear deal is positive develop. the president surrounding himself with men and women who he trust and who share more of his anti interventionist world view. >> mike pompeo sees him as -- >> indeed. i have been critical of mike pompeo about that. but that aside, i do think he shares more of the president's foreign policy views on north korea, on the iran nuclear deal than his predecessor. >> what do you think about general john kelly, do you think he has a place in the white house? >> look. donald trump cannot be managed, will not be managed. he is his own manager, his own word smith, and strategist and

damn good at it. there has got to be a high burnout rate of anyone who tries to get in the way of this man. he is like theodore roosevelt. he lovers america and he has a vision. >> just yesterday, he spoke about the payment that was made to stormy daniels by michael coshen saying he had no knowledge of it. was that wise to go on the record with that. >> i have not a chance to read that nor am i keeping up on the controversy having to keep up with the incoming of the was "washington post" and others in the fake news business. >> the payment had anything to do with the campaign even though

it was made 11 days before the election. >> i will believe the president's version of it when he says he knows nothing about it. but what amazes me about this is the country doesn't seem to care. many sees this as an extraneous issue. i don't think the american people care about this. >> good to talk to you. thank you. >> thank you. >> a lot to talk about. back with the panel. do ndo not misjudgenity quiet tranquility. with the power of 335 turbo-charged horses lincoln mkx, more horsepower than the lexus rx350 and a quiet interior from which to admire them.

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conversation with roger stone left us with plenty to talk to. let's listen to something mr. stone said just a moment

ago. >> was there any exchange between you -- >> let me answer your question. i had no advanced notice of the content, source or exact timing of the wikileaks disclosures. never received anything from wikileaks, julian assange. >> did you ever give anything to julian assange? >> no i did not. >> joining me now is one of the directors of the documentary. also jim chusciutto and carrie cordero. he has been remarkably consistent. >> that is true. he has been saying the same thing all along. and it is possible he got the

information from the tweets from the public records. and true that the tweets were erroneous. our camera crew was with him on the day he said wednesday hillary will be done. and nothing happened. remarkably consistent and wrong at times. >> the democrats point to his, he predicted that podesta's e-mails were going to be hacked. it doesn't come out of left field that he was going to be talking about the podestas. >> he was categorical there. he was given milly mouthed answers or answers that could be

misconstrued. he was categorical. never communicated, never spoke with on the phone. no advance notice of disclosures and he also categorically denied any trip to meet with assange. a lot of these things have been floated out there. and to some as facts in part because of stone's involvement because he has often been not the most credible commentator, but to you, he was categorical in his denial. you also saw the classic roger stone claiming that he was poisoned but plu nomium. i covered it. if you are poisoned it, you will die. it reminds you this was the man

who wrote a book claiming that lbj killed kennedy. >> there would be medical records that if somebody really wanted to they could. have you talked to him about this poisoning. >> it is ludicrous. in terms of assange, you know, he had spoken to us in july and august of 2018. and his desire. and one of the things i find striking about all of this is why he wouldn't have wanted us to be there if he didn't meet with assange, it would have puffed up his role in the campaign. >> if mueller has been asking questions about him, to sam nunberg and others should it be a concern to roger stone that he hasn't been asked to come in and

talk to mueller. >> i continue to be amazed of the number of individuals affiliated with the trump campaign in some way and even if they haven't been asked to come in subpoenaed or come in know that they are being looked into in the investigation, some indication that perhaps some of their records have been wrapped into the investigation and continue to get lengthy public interviews. it doesn't matter from the investigator standpoint, roger stone or sam nunberg or others say on tv. what matters is the documentary evidence and the testimony that is given under oath by the witnesses who are either interviews or called in to testify. >> we got to take a quick break. more with the panel ahead. be right back.

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we've been talking about the interview tonight with longtime

trump ally roger stone. here's something he said about the president and turnover in the administration. >> donald trump cannot be managed, will not be managed. he is his own word smith, his own strategist, and he's good at it. there's got to be a high burnout rate of anyone who tries to get in the way of this man. he's like theodore roosevelt in that sense. he is impetuous. he is bombastic, and he loves america. and he has a vision of what he wants to do. >> back now with one of the directors of the documentary, get me roger stone, which is fascinating. also jim sciutto and carrie cordero. jim, i'm reminded of every time we're talking about details that we or "the washington post," "the new york times," "the wall street journal" have learned about the mueller investigation, it is still just a small fraction, just the tip of the iceberg of what we actually know. they know so much more than we

do. >> no question. let's be frank. i know the mueller team has been accused of leaks. i've covered this for more than a year now. that is the tightest black box in washington. you get sort of secondary ripples of what he's looking into based on what lawyers for witnesses tell you, et cetera. and then you get, you know, sort of indications of lines of inquiry that he's going down. but what evidence he's found down these lines of inquiry, that is very much an open question. we know he's asking about trump's financial dealings. has he found financial crimes? we don't know. we know he's asking about -- still asking about the possibility of collusion, foreknowledge of the hacked e-mails, et cetera. has he found evidence of collusion? we don't know. that's the thing. when he releases that report, that's really when we're going to know the answer to those questions. >> you made this film, so you spent a lot of time with him. clearly it says some of the things he has said in the past

were to puff himself up, to make himself seem more important to others perhaps in the campaign or around him. it's very easy to look as some of the things he said as suspicion. you can also look at them as just kind of bragging and made up. >> right. well, as we show in our film, although roger has certainly had a pivotal role in historic events of extraordinary consequence, he's also lied about his role and historic events. that's part of his m.o. here. i thought it was really interesting when he said to you about his willingness to appear before the special counsel depends upon the scope of the interview. you know, roger, as we show in our movie, has been by trump's side for three decades and was once his washington lobbyist. i think that roger would be much more reticent to talk about his knowledge of trump's business dealings than he is about the russian collusion investigation. >> they go back that long that he would know a lot about trump's business dealings? >> he's literally the first person to put the idea in

trump's mind to run for the presidency way back in 1987, and he's been representing trump as his lobbyist, his political strategist, since the mid-'80s. >> carrie, the president's supporters say this investigation by mueller has just gone on too long, keep saying, look, we haven't seen anything come out of it. it's been going on for more than a year. it's an argument i don't quite understand because generally you wouldn't see anything come out of an investigation until the investigation reaches its conclusion, and obviously we have seen indictments on russians and obviously the actions against paul manafort and others. >> given the scope of this investigation, i think it's moving quickly. i mean they've already launched guilty pleas against several individuals affiliated with the campaign. they have a big pending indictment against the campaign chairman, paul manafort. they have a huge indictment against russian nationals and russian entities. i think actually given the scope of it, it's actually moving quite at a pace. one other thing on just something that stone said, so he really doubled down in this

interview on his support for julian assange and wikileaks, and it's just worth noting. you started to get at this a little bit, anderson, that the current cia director, mike pompeo, trump's cia director has come out and said that wikileaks is a non-state, hostile intelligence service that works with foreign intelligence agencies. and really that is something worth note, that if this is somebody who has been advising the president for decades and to the extent he may have continue to have his ear -- we don't know -- the fact that really doubled down on that support for wikileaks, even going so far as to comp paare it with the work t professional journalists do here at cnn is notable. >> i was just going to say, and it is the view of the u.s. intelligence committee that russia used wikileaks as a so-called cutout, a middle man to transfer the stolen, hacked

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