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be tough. thanks, lori. and thank you guys all for joining me at this hour. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. thank you, kate, and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing another busy news day with us. the president is described as in a rage. this after federal agents seize records from long-time trump attorney michael cohen, including material from the porn star stormy daniels. plus the pentagon is on the move preparing now. and mark zuckerberg is going
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to be in the hot seat. let's just say it's not getting a lot of likes from lawmakers. >> the apology tour or contrition sonata will simply no longer work. there has to be a commitment to change the business model. these repeated apologies again and again and again over many years simply fail to excuse the fact that they monetize information, they sell it, and there needs to be rules that protect privacy. >> we begin the hour with the president described by friends and advisers as furious and enraged, but also by one as, quote, clearly a little shaken. the anger is hardly confined to the phone calls the president makes and takes while watching cable news. attorney-client privilege is dead, the president tweeted this morning. a total witch hunt. the rage, of course, follows monday's dramatic search and seizure at an office and hotel room used by the president's
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long-time personal lawyer and fixer michael cohen. the payment to the porn actress stormy daniels is one of the issues under investigation. the records seized include bank records and cohen's communications with clients, including the president. it's important, very important, to remember the process here, the number of steps taken and the high bar of probable cause needed to serve a search warrant on an attorney. the special counsel took evidence to the deputy attorney general. he decided that evidence was credible. and he decided it was best to pass it on to federal prosecutors in new york. they, then, took the evidence to a judge who approved the warrant. that's the process. the president, though, does not see this as law and order. >> so i just heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys, good man, and it's a disgraceful situation. it's a total witch hunt. i've been saying it for a long
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time. i have this witch hunt constantly going on for over 12 months now, and it's a disgrace. it's frankly a real disgrace. it's an attack on our country in a true sense. it's an attack on what we all stand for. so when i saw this and when i heard it, i heard it like you did. i said, that is really now in a whole new level of unfairness. >> you can hear the president's frustration. here with me to share the reporting, ellen johnson of politico, michael zelden. he calls it a witch hunt. he says they broke into his attorney's office. you work on special counsel investigations. how high is the bar to go in and say, we want to serve a search warrant on an attorney, an attorney who happens to represent the president of the united states. >> pretty much as high a bar as
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can be set in the criminal justice system. first of all, they recognize the importance of the attorney-client relationship, so they have a series of rules that govern when that can occur and how that can occur. it's the last step in an investigative process that allows it. so you have to minimize it. that means look for other things first that give you the same evidence. then it has to be signed by the attorney general in the city where it's going to be taking place. then it has to be approved by the fbi. so that whole group has to look at this and say, is this the right thing to do? did an attorney commit a crime and that evidence is in his office? then they have to ask a judge. the judge signs off on it and then they proceed. >> so it goes to the deputy attorney general, who goes to an
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acting attorney in new york, who goes to a judge. >> obviously this is something very methodical. it is something loo that i ctha would not have been done if it wasn't warranted. the president is furious about this. he canceled his trip to south america later in the week. he was supposed to leave on friday. he will deal with this. he will have to deal with this. but there is no question that of all the reflection points we've sat here and covered, this, i believe, we could see it on the president's face yesterday, he is the angriest and most people believe he will do something about it. what is that something? potentially firing rod rosenstein, potentially firing jeff sessions which he's been reluctant to do, less so robert mueller. he does not have that direct authority. >> the attorney general jeff sessions came up yesterday. he's at a meeting with military leaders. he's in the middle of what could
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be one of the most consequential decisions in his presidency, how to react to attacks on syria. he is talking about this and the attorney general. >> the attorney general made a terrible mistake when he did this and when he recused himself, or he certainly should have let us know if he was going to recuse himself and we would have put a different attorney general in. so he made what i consider to be a very terrible mistake for the country. but you'll figure that out. >> it's hard to describe when you talk to people about this. the president, again, on phone calls, he's venting, he's raging. he's threatening to fire everybody. but the idea he goes back to his default, the president has to know there is nobody closer to the president than michael cohen. there is nobody that knows as much about the president than
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michael cohen. for the point michael zelden just made, for them to get a search warrant to seize computers, seize bank records, the president has to be a little rattled by this. >> what i think is so interesting is that bob mueller referred this to the southern district of new york because it was outside of his purview investigating russian meddling in the 2016 election and the trump campaign's involvement in that. so this could open up an entire new avenue where the president and his associates, his personal lawyer, is being investigated. so the president is now being hit from another side, and i think he has got to feel incredibly under siege. >> to that point we have some new reporting now and just what the fbi was looking for in monday's raid at michael cohen's office. shimon prokupecz joins us with new details. shimon? >> they were searching for information relating to stormy daniels, but our team here has now also learned that the fbi
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was seeking documents related to michael cohen's ownership ofmed. these are these highly coveted medallions for yellow taxis in new york city. he apparently owns several of these. the fbi, we're told, was seeking information regarding his ownership of this, perhaps the financing, financial documents and business records in connection with this. we don't exactly know why they would be looking for this information, but for whatever reason, the fbi and the southern district there in new york, the u.s. attorney, has decided that is also now part of their investigation, john. >> shimon, appreciate the new reporting. as this fans out, we learn in this investigation, again, trump allies will be saying, what do michael cohen's personal businesses have to do with president trump? but the special counsel came into this investigation, brought it to the special counsel, and he said, this doesn't pertain to
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you. i'm gog haing to hand it over te feds in new york. >> if you're dealing with trump officials and you run into another potential crime, it's not in bob mueller's persona to turn away and pretend that didn't exist. if you look at the regulations of the special counsel, he did everything he was supposed to do, which was then take it to rod rosenstein and ask him, how do you want me to proceed? if michael cohen did something wrong, if the president and michael cohen did something wrong together, that's on the two of them. that's not on jeff sessions. again, jeff sessions is the attorney general of the united states. he's not the president's personal attorney, he's not there to protect president trump from being held accountable for anything he might have done wrong or protect the president's associates for being held accountable for anything they might have done wrong. that is one thing this president
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still does not understand. if he sees this as a personal attack and he puts people in these jobs, they should be people loyal to him and who protect him. not to be loyal to the united states of america and the constitution. >> the president says it's an attack on our country, it's out of bounds. michael cohen's attorneys can now go to court. they can challenge this warrant. they can go to a judge and say, this is out of bounds. they can air their case. paul manafort has done that, saying the special counsel is out of bounds here. you're going to see 27 pages here way lot of black in the back. you get to the back of these documents, this is evidence provided to the united states government, to a judge. paul manafort challenged the indictment saying, what does this have to do with russia? and the special counsel filed this motion with all the
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redacted pages. >> one of the safeguards built into this system is when evidence is seized from an attorney's office, it's seized by a privileged team of the fbi. they look at those documents and make determinations as to what is privileged or not privileged. they can go to court for a court to look at it as well, and then, as you say, john, the defense attorney wants all that is settled. then the evidence which is sort of clean or unprotected evidence. it goes to a team of prosecutors. the other thing i want us to fom sl makes this much more sensible. on a 1-off, $130,000 payment to stormy daniels as hush money, it doesn't seem you need this big a stage of activity. to me it seems this involves michael cohen, his business
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operations not as personal counsel to donald trump but as an organization. we may be seeing just a small bit of what this is about. >> there will be people out there, understandably so, saying, wait a minute, the president does have a right to legal counsel. he should be able to have sensitive, privileged conversations with his attorney. kprur confident that there is no one abusing sensitive, privileged document. if there were papers from the president that might have something investigators want to see. >> that's exactly right. first there has to be a communication between the client -- let's pretend it's donald trump -- that communication has to be for obtaining a legal opinion. it's not, should we buy this piece of property or not buy this piece of property? then the court will look to see if, are they privileged, and if they are, they can not reach
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>> trump says he's going to pay a big price. if he doesn't pay a big price, then he looks weak in the eyes of our allies. so this is the most consequential decision he'll make. he said assad is going to pay a big price. that big price has to include the destruction of his air capability and putting him on the target list. anything less i don't think is a big price. >> barbara starr is live in the pentagon. barbara, we're about to hear from the white house, but until then, what options are on the table? >> it starts with getting those coalition leaders on board, the president talking to the british leader and french leader macron. he definitely wants them to be part of any military action. the big question, what targets does the u.s. hit inside syria? if they're going inside the airfield like they did last time, this latest attack was by
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helicopters, shutting down the airfields by crateerring with bombs doesn't do much to help them move around. if you go to storage sites, that could be tough. that could lead to dispensing chemical agents in the air. are you going to go to downtown damascus and go after what bashar holds dear, his hotels and his ministries? that is the question. >> we're going to a meeting with the emir of qatar. >> it's a pleasure to have the emir of qatar with us. he's a great gentleman. he's very popular in his country. his people love him. we're working on unity in that part of the middle east, and i think it's working out very well. there are a lot of good things happening. also, we have a gentleman on my right who buys a lot of
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equipment from us, a lot of purchases in the united states, and a lot of military airplanes, missiles, lots of different things. but they've been great friends in so many ways, and we're working very well together. and i think it's working out extremely well. so, emir, thank you very much for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you very much, mr. president. i'm very happy and honored to be here. thanks for this invitation. our relationship between qatar and the united states has been more than 45 years. it's a very strong, solid relationship. our economy partnership is more than 125 billion, and our aim and goal is to double it in the next coming years. our military cooperation is very solid, very strong. as everybody knows, the heart of fighting terrorism is from our
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base and thank god it's been successful against the terrorist groups around our region. lately before i came here, i was in tampa. it was a very important visit and it showed how strong our cooperation is between the armed forces. of course, we speak today and we see the suffering of the syrian people. and me and the president, we see eye to eye that this matter has to stop immediately. we cannot tolerate someone who kills more than half a million of his own people. this matter should end immediately. thank you, mr. president. >> thank you. and the emir and i have been working a number of years now, and we're making sure terrorism
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is being stopped in the countries we are related to, because i feel related. but those countries are stopping the funding of terrorism. that includes saudi arabia, it includes qatar and others. a lot of countries, we're funding terrorism and we're stopping it. it's getting stopped and fast. very important. you've now become a very big advocate and we appreciate that. sdp >> thank you, president. i want to make something clear. we will not tolerate people who fund terrorism. we've been cooperating with people to stop funding terrorism around the region. we do not tolerate people who support and fund terrorism. i would also like to thank the president for him being involved personally in solving the gcc crisis. he's been very helpful. he's been supporting us during this blockade, and i would also like to thank the american people for being very supportive.
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his role is very vital to end this crisis in our region. thank you, sir. >> thank you, emir. thank you. >> we're leaving now, thank you! thank you, all! we're leaving now, thank you! >> thank you very much. >> thank you, all! >> the president there not open to taking any questions from the pool of reporters brought into the oval office. he's meeting with the emir of qatar. the emir, number one, saying he sees eye to eye with the syrian crisis. number two, thanking the president for his intervention. there are often disputes and those tensions continue. i hope bloomberg joins our discussion. one meeting is to discuss what to do. he said he would have an answer within 24 to 48 hours, which means sometime today we expect to get a briefing on military options. at a time of turmoil, the president not going to the summit of the americas. he decided he needs to stay
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here, stay in washington. you reported he didn't really want to go, anyway. as the president looks at these options, what is his test? how does he define big price? >> well, i think there are a couple things at play. the first is the president drew sort of his own red line a year ago when he said that the use of chemical weapons by assad was unacceptable, and that he, unlike obama, was going to respond in this case, and he sees it as a way to distinguish himself from the previous president, which is something he likes to do. so now he's sort of boxed in. when assad uses chemical weapons, there is video of it, but that said, he seemed okay with that. he seemed to want to respond to this. he said he'll pay a big price but didn't define that, so i think we don't know what the president means about that. there was a meeting among the president's top advisers where they discuss what sort of response we'll get, and i
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anticipate it will come at some foint tonight, weerg hearing a potential bombing. i think the white houms will have an impact going forward. >> just last week he talked about a need to unwind these wars, needs to bring back troops from the middle east. after two decades of an endless war, he said we've gotten nothing in return for us, and this kind of red line he's drawn, saying they're not going to stand for these chemical weapons attacks. if he does put something out on the table. while encountering iranian influence and boosting what we call the modern opposition, this disparity group of people who are not really together in the first place. >> and this is one of the world's biggest retractible
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problems. as trump critics are out there, you have to take a deep breath. he's also raised the bar for himself saying moscow is a patron state. ambassador roger ford says he should respond, but he should be prepared when he responds to be invested in this for a while. >> he uses chemical weapons. he has an incentive to use chemical weapons. we have to make him pay a military price to compel him before he uses chemical weapons again. it will probably take a series of strikes in the weeks and coming months to get assad to understand we really mean
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business tim. the ambassador is probably correct about sending a message to as sawed, and that runs parallel with the president's instincts to want to get out, right? >> he doesn't invest in these kinds of issues in the lodng term. he was horrified to see chemical weapons used against children in specific, and now we're sort of in the same boat all over again and it looks like they're considering the same options. but how do you -- you got me in this mess, and that may very well be true, but he's the president of the united states now, so if he wants to differentiate himself from president obama, if he.
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the president is very much distracted and. there is no doubt he will accept the recommendations of the people in the room sitting stone-faced on this. this evening would certainly fall into what he was talking about. i do not believe he's focused squarely on this. he knows he has to deal well this, but he is not going to pick an option out of left field here. i believe he will pick out an nopgs. we'll keep an eye on that. back to the fbi's extraordinary raid of michael cohen's office and the attorney's very long friendship with the president. for the sales team, it and the warehouse crew.
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it's a concern to him. i'm mr. trump's pitbull, i'm his right-hand man. i've been called many different things around here. >> as you can see there, michael cohen wears the title of president fixer like a badge of honor. which is why the no-knock raid in cohen's office and hotel room touched off a nerve with the boss. today he says his privilege is being compromised. he told reporters last night this raid, in his view, a disgrace. >> we've given, i believe, over a million pages' worth of documents to the special counsel. they continue to just go forward. they only keep looking at us. they find no collusion, and then they go from there and they say, well, let's keep going, and they raid an office of a personal attorney early in the morning.
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and i think it's a disgrace. we'll be talking about it more. but this is the most conflicted group of people i've ever seen. >> now, cohen is on record saying he would take a bullet for the president. he may soon have to decide if he'll take the legal equivalent of that if he has anything to offer to prosecutors. the president often says the people in charge of investigation here, just people, hardly even knows them. very hard to make that case of michael cohen especially when you listen to this. >> michael was -- i always like to say the ray donovan of the office. he took care of what had to be taken care of. i don't know what has to be taken care of. all i know is michael is taking care of it. >> if you need something at 300n in the morning, you can call him. >> there isn't an expenditure authorized that he doesn't know about. >> he took care of a lot of
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things for mr. trump without mr. trump knowing about it. >> there it is. we talked a little about this on the substance of it earlier, and now we get into this personal relationship. there are a lot of people who understand trumpland saying michael cohen knows more about ivanka or jared. >> of course he knows more than the family members. there are things you're not going to explain to your daughter or even sons, perhaps. i think the point here is, is this an effort or avenue to get something else? if michael cohen would turn on the president -- i can't imagine it, frankly. he has been at his side long before he ran for president at every other iteration. when i was a reporter at the "new york times," you would write one story about donald trump and you would get a phone call immediately from michael cohen. he is an appendage to him, and
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that's why this is so offensive to the president. are the feds trying to get him to cooperate, to go after someone else who is even closer to the president, a family member, perhaps? we don't know the answer to that, but this is a critical moment in this investigation. >> again, just to put michael cohen into context, this is a tweet from him from sunday. a person who deserves my loyalty reeves it. i will always respeprotect our , and calling cohen a secretary of loyalty. the special counsel brings evidence to rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, saying, thank you, this is credible, but it's not the russia mandate, so i will hand this off to an attorney in new york who hands it to a judge. they clearly think they have reason to do that search.
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>> michael cohen is now under investigation, you have jared kushner, the president's son-in-law also under investigation, you have two people who were previously close to the president, paul manafort, his campaign chairman, and michael flynn, the former national security adviser who have been indicted, and rick gates, also a former deputy campaign manager. these things are really adding up, and you can understand, i think, why the president feels completely under siege. and as somebody who sort of, i think, believes that he embodies the office that he holds, that's why he's saying this is an attack on the american people and on the u.s. >> the other thing to the president's defense is if you found out that your personal attorney that you've shared any vulnerability, any sort of legal vulnerability you might have had, whether you did something wrong or not, over decades, and you found that person's office was searched and their home was
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searched and hotel room was searched and these documents were taken, yeah, you're going to feel under siege, you're going to feel it's unfair, because that's the person you felt you could go to and trust, and we know that this president doesn't necessarily trust the judgment department, doesn't necessarily trust law enforcement in this country. so when we saw michael zelden explain kind of the painstaking process you have to go through, what you have to do to make sure the attorney-client privilege is trusted, you can kind of see why the president feels so exposed that everything he was talking about with michael cohen for decades before he was president, before he was running for president, is now in the hands of key investigators. >> and that's why it's important to see if the system meets the bar. meaning the feds in new york have taken this over. when they have to defend this in court, can they convince judges they're doing the right thing?
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>> and this man who used to be a fox commentator thinks this is going over the line. >> if this was hillary clinton being investigated and they went into her office, the aclu would be on every television station in america, jumping up and down. the deafening silence of the aclu and civil libertarians about the inclusion into the lawyer-client confidentiality is really appalling. >> about as appalling as the deafening silence of the republicans when the former national security adviser cops a plea. but as we go back through this here, i take gershowitz's point to be this. now we're going to have a public airing of the case against it so they get to see if they make the bar. >> and the question is what does the president do about it? does he decide this is enough
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that he's going to fire rod rosenstein? this is enough that he'll fire jeff sessions? the sessions one is still a little more complicated on capitol hill, confirming a new attorney general, et cetera, but keeping an eye on what his view of rod rosenstein is. does he believe he's more compromised? up until now, the president's advisers have been able to talk him off the ledge. don't fire anyone. >> it's important to watch the president over the next 24 hours because what he said yesterday caught the attention of a lot of republican leader as well. they think the president is inching to a line they don't want him to cross. we shall see. we'll take a break and be right back. stay with us. simple goodness is ahhhmazing! meaty morsels. a tender texture. with real meat and a blend of
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that raid, the serving of a search warrant of the president's long-term fixer. they were looking for papers on two women who claim they had affairs with mr. trump and the silencing role of one of the women. the two women, one is stormy daniels, we know about that, a $130,000 payment from the president's personal attorney just before the 2016 election, she says to buy her silence about a relationship in 2006. karen mcdougal is a playboy model whose publisher is a personal friend of the president. that was in august 2016. investigators now want to know about these payments and they want to know what michael cohen
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has in his bank records, in his personal notes, in his e-mails, on his phone, all the materials seized from him, which we don't know a lot about this, but this tells me they're looking at somehow is this a campaign violation or is there more involved in trying to buy silence here. >> to pierce the attorney-client privilege, you have to show the communication between the attorney and the client are a fraud. and to get the warrant they had, you have to show that somebody's safety would be in danger. that's an extraordinarily high bar. clearly they must think they have enough where they know enough about the communications between the president and michael cohen to prove there was a crime involved. >> but that also assumes, though, that the president was party to these payments, and where are these payments?
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so far they've confirmed the president was not party to these payments. we have to be careful whether you're piercing the attorney-client privilege because we don't have an answer whether the president knew that. >> the timing is interesting because we just heard the president a few days ago address the stormy daniels situation for the first time. getting on air force i, he said he was not aware of the $130,000 payment on the record and identified michael cohen as his attorney, which i think is important. then a few days later we had the raid on these offices. the juxtaposition of those events is probably important. >> and he and his attorney talk all the time. michael cohen was at mar-a-lago having dinner with the president just a couple weeks ago. he's not on staff but he talks to michael cohen much more than a lot of his own staff members here. but sara makes a good point. we don't know what the president was aware of. >> but that is the challenge now. if you're the president of the united states, michael cohen is your friend, michael cohen is your personal attorney, michael
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cohen has done a lot of fixing for you over the years, but now do you have questions in how aggressive you want michael cohen to be in fighting back, because when people like paul manafort have fought back, that's when the special counsel shares some of his evidence. some of it is included, some of it is redacted, but it's because paul manafort fought back to the special counsel, filed papers and said rod rosenstein hired me to investigate possible collusion, possible crimes. if michael cohen goes to court to fight this warrant, to fight the seizure of these documents, might the president learn something he doesn't want to learn? >> he is one that would turn on the president even more than paul manafort. >> if he's questioned himself and he goes back to court, that's when you get these filings. >> he's described himself as someone who would do anything for him, and that includes hush
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payments to women, it includes using friendly media as part of exchanging favors to get people to be quiet. this is someone who certainly has a trust in the president and clearly knows a lot. >> again, in terms of triaging information here, there is a lot of stuff going on. the point is, what does the president do about this? we know he's furious. what does he do about this? he scheduled this trip to south america. he wasn't scheduled to leave until friday. it's tuesday now. he's focusing on this. what will he do in the coming hours? we'll see. >> he's probably nervous. there is somebody floating the president may fire bob mueller. chuck grassley, president of the judiciary committee, said it would be suicide for him to do this and it would give democrats a weapon. >> let's be real honest about where republicans are right now. they're going to go on television and say, don't do this, you're going to get into a lot of trouble, but they're not
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going to pass legislation to protect the special counsel. there has been no will to do that. >> we're the ones on the ballot this year, don't make us deal with that. we'll see what the president does. up next the former secretary of state hillary clinton gives her long-time critic mike pompeo some advice as he prepares to take a job clinton once had. why does fear feel so good? i fell in love three times -- once with a woman, once with a country, and finally... with myself. -so, do you have anything to declare or not? -isn't that what i'm doing? -so, do you have anything to declare or not? alright, i brought in high protein to help get us moving. ...and help you feel more strength and energy in just two weeks! i'll take that. -yeeeeeah! ensure high protein.
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welcome back. we told you earlier the president canceled his travel plans to stay in washington and deal with the syria crisis. james mattis also modifying his upcoming travel this week. he planned a trip to nevada that were planned this weekend. they are due to scheduling conflicts, not expanding on what those conflicts are.
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the knew poll says young voters are likely to vote in this midterm than others. 37% said they definitely plan to vote. that's significantly higher than the 23% who said that in 2014 and the 31% in 2010. two democratic senators say they have evidence that the environmental protection agency may be overstating the need for security for administrator scott pruitt. that security runs 24/7 costing you over $2 million. the president 's former aide to speak to investigators. pompeo a fierce clinton
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critic when the house was investigating the benghazi attack that left four americans dead. hillary clinton has some advice for him. >> were you aware that we were meeting with people in benghazi just before the attack? >> i have no knowledge of this. >> i think this is deeply disturbing. >> the advice included, a source tells us, urging pompeo to retain and rely on the diplomats at the state department. thank you for joining us on this breaking news day. we'll see you back here tomorrow. wolf starts right after a quick break.
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