>> i literally have ten seconds. does bob mueller deserve to stay in his job? >> yes. >> all right. you answered it less than ten. i appreciate your time. thanks for watching. we hand off to ac 360 with anderson cooper. >> good evening, president trump said to be in a red hot rage. two items. one involving the possible firing of deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. discussing getting rid of him and laying the groundwork for it. the second breaking news is the possible firing of mueller. gloria borger joins us with the exclusive. what are you learning about president trump and rod

rosenstein? >> discussing with advisers whether he ought to fire the deputy attorney general. he has been in his crosshatch for quite some time. but the michael cohen raid has taken it to a different level. but, there are lots of different voices in that room. there are people trying to calm the president down and say wait, don't do anything yet. some of his attorneys are telling us that he is not going to fire rosenstein. some are saying rosenstein is conflicted witness here. we have a good case to make against him if we need to do that. and they also believe that you know, he is important to the mueller case because of course don't forget he wrote the memo

about the firing of comey and they are saying look, this is a clear conflict and we can make that case and by the way, you have already made a good case about disqualifying the fbi because you think that their investigation has not been credible and has been contaminated. so the president wants to fire people, we are hold. rosenstein primarily among them. perhaps even jeff sessions and of course there is always the question about does he want to fire mueller. do we know he is going to do any of these things? nobody does. >> what are your sources saying about the president's feelings on mueller himself right now? >> he has problems with mueller too. i was told by a source that right now his rage is more directed at rosenstein and at jeff sessions. but they leabelieve, and the

president believes that the raid crossed a red line. and he has run amuck. and he is unchecked because rosenstein approved that. and he believes that he is not checking him in the way he should. and therefore, he would like, if he had his druthers, he would like to get rid of him too. there are members of congress, you heard chuck grassley say it would be political suicide if he did that. he may not want to start that fire because difficult for him to extinguish politically. firing rosenstein would not be as difficult. >> we got information on what the fbi was seeking in their searches. >> we know a great deal of the search warrant was about stormy daniels, the payment to her, and

the conversations that michael cohen, the president's attorney may have had with the president about this and the campaign. we have since learned that there were also issues related to the payment to karen mcdougal, the play mate that the president allegedly had an affair with. and questions about federal law. and the search warrant was interested in michael cohen's personal investments and the sale of those investments which were taxing medallions. and now have decreased in value because of things like uber and lyft. not only going into his personal, but also the question about women. and he represented the president in dozens and dozens of legal cases and presumably, that would

all be in his personal financial records which he kept. >> gloria borger, thanks very much. more on the special counsel. new reporting on the new york times. magg magg maggie haberman joins us by phone. you reported on the previous incident. explain how this all played out again in this past december. >> sure, and this is just one of several instances where the president has come pretty close to dealing with dispatching with mueller in some way. this is one of the most detailed and the one most similar to what we are seeing right now in terms of michael cohen. in december there were erroneous

news reports that mauler had subpoenaed records to deutsche bank. it was not specific. it is not even clear that he did have loans current or money current with deutsche bank. the notion of his finances drove him to a different degree of anger. his lawyers worked hurriedly to figure out what was going on and got an assurance from mueller's folks that we did not get that subpoena. but it shows you how close he can get himself and i understand how many people in the white house have come to see this as part of the life there. most of them dismiss this, this is just how he talks, blowing

off steam. one white house official told me, don't you think he suggested firi firing rosenstein about ten times today. it is hard to dismiss it all as just ventilation and blowing off steam. >> the president was ready to do this because it crossed the red line that he said, or talked about with you and your colleagues in an interview. >> correct. or he thought it had. turned out it didn't. he felt it violated the quote-unquote red line which is what he said in an oval office interview which is what he said with my colleagues and myself about the scope of mueller's investigation. that her charges and the things that relate to the president's finances or his family's finances would not be

applicable. >> i am wondering this story, about wanting to fire him in december leads to right now. >> i mean, i think again, this is something that a line that he repeatedly walks up in the past and there are often people and still are telling him this is a bad idea. some combination of lawyers, legal advisers, friends, white house advisers and fewer of those people now than existed before. and i think that is part of what makes this more precarious. add to that, the fact that everyone i have spoken to and cnn's reporting is similar saying this is different. the president's level of frustration and i would use the word helplessness because he has no control here and there are few things that drive him crazier than that are at a peak. he is doing what he always does,

watching us talk, watching television, and watching news and he is getting very, very angry. the moods are not constant, not every second of every day but creating a sense of uncertainty in the white house that is different. >> i appreciate that. i want to bring in our panel. josh campbell, jeffrey toobin and jeff bernstein. >> does it make sense to you that, i mean, just in december for the second time he would have been talking about firing mueller? >> sure it makes sense given what we know about the president and his character. but let's step back and remember this red line, is something of his own invention that he thinks is some line between appropriate and inappropriate.

it's important to remember that we are talking about a president who may be firing justice department officials and prosecutors for doing their jobs. rod rosenstein has done nothing wrong. he has done his job. yet, it seems like and i certainly believe the reporting of our colleagues that he is on the verge of losing his job because he did the right thing. so i think it is totally believable that the president is considering firing rosenstein, that he almost fired mueller in december and earlier last year. but we can't lose perspective on the fact that this is wrong, this whole approach to being president is wrong. but this is how things are working. >> jeff, the president was about to fire mueller for something that turned out not to be true. there was no subpoenaing of his bank records if he even had bank

records there. what does that say to you about how sensitive he is to all of this? >> it says that he is deeply worried about his personal finances being looked into. he has invented this standard that there is some red line as he said in this interview with the times several months ago. this red line is not some sort of legal concept. it is a personal indulgence, a personal imagined rule that the president came up with and you know, fortunately, i guess for the world, his lawyers checked out that the subpoena never happened. so this crisis was forestalled. but we seem to be heading for another one this time aimed at rod rosenstein initially. >> do you feel like we are on

the verge of a saturday night massacre here? what would be the point of firing rosenstein if it were not some sort of impact on mueller. >> the president of the united states has made clear to those around him and those closest to him in the white house and among his friends that he is determined to shut down the investigation and the moment he has chosen to act on it is when the special prosecutors and other prosecutors have gotten hold of his lawyer's computers which have perhaps evidence of real conspiracy or there could be exculpatory evidence here. if the president maintains and even the few around him believe there is no there there. and this is truly a witch hunt. we have a president of the

united states willing to risk so he can avoid and letting the facts roll out. if there is a witch hunt, there is plenty of time at the end and there would be hell to pay if mr. mueller or anybody else conducting an investigation. this is about the president of the united states determined to avoid accountability. >> josh, would firing rosenstein necessarily get what the president wants? >> well, two prongs here. the first is he can set additional parameters. let's take the example of firing rosenstein and put in someone who can do the president's bidding. if the dissolve the special counsel completely, it doesn't mean it dissolved the investigation completely. the fbi if they are in possession of information or

allegation of a crime, they are no the going to stop investigating. >> wait a second, i think that is overly optimistic about the work of the fbi. if robert mueller is fired and this investigation you know technically still exists but no one in charge of this. donald trump wins. >> i didn't say he didn't win. what i am saying is the counterintelligence that are working the case don't go away. you don't shred your files case closed. they don't stop investigating. >> knob linobody like a muellerg the investigation, and the team that he has assembled. isn't it effectively be over? >> of course. the idea that the fbi could do

this on their own, it is not realistic. this is why we have independent counsels and special counsels. they have to lead investigations that are independent of the super structure of the president's party. in terms of the impact on mueller, say rosenstein is fired, he would then be replaced by the person under him who would then oversee the mueller investigation to whatever effect, we don't know. >> we are in unchartered waters. i think it would be the -- or another person designated by the attorney general to supervise mueller. but, you know, at least initially, i don't think there would be any change in the mueller investigation. but if a new person came in and

started restricting what mueller could do, that would be a very serious limitation on his power. >> let me cut to the chase here, if i may, senator grassley, the republican head of the judiciary said it would be suicidal if this investigation was shut down. according to the people i talk to, who talk to trump, he is willing to take the bet. what is suicidal from his point of view is to let this investigation run on and the facts become known to the american people. so he may be betting that indeed if he shuts down this investigation, his base is strong enough and his appeal to that base, that this has been a witch hunt is resident enough that it can carry the day. the kind of message and cold civil war that is going on in

this country right now that has been exacerbated. >> he is laying the table, setting the table for, you know, an assault against the fbi and an assault against the department of justice. whatever form that takes. >> it is a campaign under way to discredit and this shows you when you have the collusion of politics and law firm, this is the result. these are people who do this for a living. if you look at the attacks, they are softening the ground and laying for this moment. if and when they decide to move mueller or rosenstein, they can say we told you these folks were corrupt from the beginning and move on to someone else. >> if donald trump runs the republican party. if he were to fire mueller, paul ryan would say i am very concerned. and rubio issue one of his statements saying i am concerned

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potential interview with mueller's investigators. they learned this raid was going on in new york where three locations connected to cohen were being raided by the fbi. and this we are told was made for a very, very awkward meeting. these are sensitive negotiations that have been protracted for some time trying to decide when and how president trump would sit down for an interview with mueller. and they learn the president's attorneys, his residence, his hotel room, had been raided. and obviously now everything changes. no decision has been made as to whether or not that interview will go forward. we got a statement from jay seccu low saying we do not

discuss conversations we have had. >> it is not clear if the president is considering or reconsidering sitting down with the special counsel. >> we are told this raid has up ended those discussions. people we talked to have told us it is certainly making them reassess whether or not anything that came about from this raid, whether that changes the calculations for the president. after all, cohen's biggest client is trump. they are going to have to take that into consideration. >> thank you very much, let's get back to the panel. josh, i saw a tweet you sent out, you were talking to a former colleague of yours from the fbi what did your former colleague say about this? >> he was saying, you know, and his quip was that 20 years in

law enforcement, the number of times i have seen an attorney who has had his premise searched is rare and all of those attorneys went to prison. how much of a big hurdle, how much approval would have to be in place. it also shows if you look at the government that a lot of times there are fruits to these endeavor and sometimes it means jail time. >> jeff, now that 24 hours or so has passed, can you put into context to josh's point, how unusual it is. after a while it seems nobts normal. in the big picture, how nuts is this? >> it is so unusual and josh, you know, was certainly right in his exchange with his former colleague in the fbi.

it is very difficult to search a lawyer's office in a constitutional protected -- permissible way. because so many of what attorneys do is covered through the attorney/client privilege. and the way the government usually deals with this problem is they bring in a separate team called the taint team who looks through all of this material and decides what is privileged and then with holds that from the actual investigator. so the investigators who are investigating michael cohen, they don't see the fruits right away. it has to go through this taint team first which is a cumbersome and difficult process, something the government wants to avoid.

when i was an assistant u.s. attorney, i had situations where i wanted to subpoena a lawyer, a much less obtrusive phenomenon and that had to go to the washington headquarters to get approval. a search warrant is far more intrusive and it happens very rarely. >> it is also extraordinary when you consider -- i mean michael cohen has described himself as the fix-it man. if it is true that he as he says facilitated the payment there is no telling how many other sorts of interesting arrangements he has been involved with whether

you know, donald trump knew about it or allegedly didn't know about it. >> this raid is not about as trump would have it, the civil liberty the of his lawyer. this raid is about scaring the hell out of the president of the united states because he knows better than anyone what he and his lawyer have discussed, communicated about it. and this has been trump's biggest nightmare throughout this investigation. has it crossed the line? it has, it crossed the line in which trump can no longer according to people close to him, no longer afford to let the factual basis go forward. we have a president of the united states who is willing to undermine the concept that no one is above the rule of law in this country including the president. he is willing to throw that away and undermine our national

security by shutting down this investigation. that is where we are. let me add one thing about what jeff said and that has to do with this tainted process. if those investigators find evidence of criminality and conspiracy between the president and his lawyer, that evidence goes back to the mueller investigation. it does not stay with the southern district of new york if it is related to russia in any way and that is a huge factor in this constitutional crisis. >> i just wanted to make that point that you know, remember what the president said, this search was an attack on america. that is what, remember, he used that term. that gives you some sense of how he views himself at this point. an authoritarian investigation of the united states at this

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. the breaking news tonight gloria borger is learning that the president is considering firing rod rosenstein. new reporting also the president told advisers as recently in december that mueller's investigation had to be shut down. will the president try to fire robert mueller.

sarah sanders believes he has the power to do that. >> mueller should be allowed to finish his job. i think that is the view of most people in congress. >> i think it would be suicide for the president to fire him. the less the president says about this whole thing, the better off he will be. >> i am not concerned he will fire mueller. i'm not concerned that he will fire rosenstein. >> the best thing for the country is to allow mueller to finish his work. >> i am not going to speculate on something that i don't think will happen. the president is too smart to do that. >> honestly, i am not concerned. >> joining me is senator blumenthal. this news now from the "new york times" that the president wanted

to fire him back in december. is there any reason to believe he would want to do it now. >> this raid on his lawyer's office is like a nuclear strike with multiple war heads, the ada audacity. the judge would not have granted this warrant. and so the implications for the president are absolutely profound and he is going through internal upheaval and turmoil that obviously is giving rise to these reports from cnn that he is contemplating firing rod rosenstein. and remember that warrant had to be approved at multiple levels

in the department of justice by appointees of trump himself. the southern district of new york did that with expressed permission of main justice. >> what happens if the president fires rosenstein. would firing him be more palatable than firing mueller. would it be safer politically? >> that is an excellent question. i think firing rod rosenstein would provoke most of the same reaction from my republicans, democrats. i welcome my republican colleagues saying that it won't happen, it can't happen. he is too smart to do it. but we know that the president can be impulsive and rash and i hope they are not in denial. in the meantime, i have worked and talked to my republican colleagues privately behind the

scenes because i think we are gaining momentum for legislation that i have sponsored along with senator graham and tillis and democratic colleagues. whatever happens to rosenstein and i think we need to pursue that legislation. >> part of the strategy of the white house is to reaching out to key congressional leaders to discuss options so they are not quote blindsided. >> we had heard rumors, there are a lot of swirling sorts of rumors here on capitol hill and i think there is a sense of intense alarm here that is unparalleled during this presidency. and there is a sense of impending catastrophe if the president follows through on some of the threats the

president has made privately apparently to his staff. but i think now is the time for my republican colleagues to stand up and speak out and say not only that they doubt it will happen but that firing rod rosenstein or robert mueller will provoke a constitutional fire storm that would engulf this presidency and bring it down. >> there are a lot of folk who is have not lived through a catastrophe like this as you say, what would actually happen. what does it mean in terms of nuts and bolts. what happens? >> there are a variety of options, very hard to contemplate or describe with any certainty. but i think there would be in effect a shutting down of the united states senate.

if the president of the united states embarks on an illegal course of action there would be response on both sides of the aisle. the president is talking about firing mueller directly. 28 section united states code section 509. that would be such an abbrogation of the rule of law and his responsibility of the role of office. >> even by republicans? do you think there would be enough republicans that would do that? >> my hope is that we would avoid that outcome and that is why i think republicans would have to think about that. yes, i do believe they would take action that might be regarded as extreme right now. >> senator richard blumenthal,

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can to assist in that investigation. our intent has been to expose the facts, expose the truth for the american people to learn the truth on what happened. to the extent that we can assist in the investigation to accomplish that, that is what we will do. >> apparently stormy daniels is going to be appearing on the cover of penthouse magazine in may. do you know anything about that? were you aware of that? >> i am not going to get into what i was aware or not aware. i am not aware of the appearance of the magazine, as far as the details of the magazine, or what was said or was not said. >> he said i would be lying to you i would be not. he said that the agents in the raid were professional,

courteous and respectful which is a far cry from what the president described as the agents breaking into his office. do you have any belief that what happened to michael cohen's office and hotel room and his apartments or house is linked to what the president said just last week in which he indicated that michael cohen was his attorney but he knew nothing about this. essentially saying that some people have suggested that meant that attorney/client privilege would not be involved because he was not acting as the president's attorney in whatever he did with stormy daniels. >> it might be good for cnn for michael cohen to be speaking to don lemon is moronic. the day after the fbi executes

three search warrants on your homes and offices. this is ludicrous. when i heard that he spoke to don lemon, i didn't believe it. and i believe that it happened. it is beyond stupid. i don't understand what he is doing. that's first. secondly, i still cannot believe that the president made these statements on air force one and effectively put his own personal attorney in the cross hairs by way of those statements. >> how are you saying the president put him in the cross hairs? >> by saying he didn't know anything about it and he referred everyone to michael cohen and he set him up to be the fall guy in my view. and there is now a false sense of security i think on behalf of the president that michael cohen is going to take the fall for this and michael cohen is going to be able to withstand this pressure and heat. if you are going to have a

fixer, first of all, he should be really smart or she. he or she should be able to withstand a potentially amount of pressure, heat, and go to prison for you. in my view, michael cohen doesn't fit either one of his requiremen requirements. >> for all his talk to being incredibly loyal to donald trump, the guy, the keeper of all the secrets, the tough guy, you don't believe he would go to prison for his client. >> i don't. any guy in my experience who has to constantly tell you how tough he is, is not a tough guy. he is closer to a purse puppy than a tough guy. i am going to stand behind those statements. the problem is this. a constant problem for mr. trump

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. facebook crowe mark zuckerberg said his company did not do enough to stop fake news and hate speech and foreign

election interference. he testified before the senate judiciary and commerce committees and in his testimony his company confirmed that the company is cooperating with robert mueller in the investigation. and he apologize for mistakes that led to the scandal involving cambridge analytica. amy klobuchar asked about that scandal and a research agency of a russian control group that tried to disrupt the election. >> you've estimated roughly 126 million people may have been shown content from a facebook page associated with the internet search agency. have you determined whether think of those people were the same facebook users whose data shared with cambridge analytica? are you able to make that determination? >> senator, we're investigating that now. we believe that it is entirely possible that there will be a connection there. >> earlier i spoke with senator

clobu char. >> were you satisfied with the answer to your question today, do you think he understands the severity and the political ramification of his platform. >> i think he does. and i was interested that he said there was a connection. that would point directly to the fact this cambridge analytica data off of facebook is somehow has some major overlap with what the russian troll factory was doing. and again, i think that what we learned today was that they know they have a major breach of trust with their users, they know that they're going to have to have some privacy regulations in place and the whole question is going to be what those privacy rules are. but we just can't keep going and pretend they are just a sight for cat videos and recipes. >> the answers that zuckerberg gave to the joint committee, do you think he was forthcoming in general with his answers and do you think this actually did move the ball forward when it comes to any kind of possible facebook oversight? >> well, i think two things. one, he has said that he believes that there should be some kind of rules of the road

and regulations which means a law in place. we haven't been doing that. all we've heard from them for years is, well, no, we can self regulate, we're fine. and then the second thing is that he supported the honest ads act which is my bill with senator john mccain and warner which basically said you have to post all of these paid political ads so the press could see them and your opponents could see them and that includes issue ad kmz is 90% of what the russians bought and have to have disclaimers. so he supported it. twitter joined them today in supporting our bill. and honestly, anderson, we were just stuck. we weren't picking up more republicans. so this makes a difference. and finally they are voluntarily posting all of the ads. so starting in june, we're going to start to be able to see them. so let's say you have a nra ad, well maybe they would run that in rural and people in the suburbs couldn't see that a candidate was being attacked for gun safety legislation. now they'll be able to see it.

>> based on what you heard today, based on the information that you already knew, how concerned do you think facebook users should be when it comes to the integrity of the information that facebook has access to? >> i think they should be very concerned. every week the numbers go up. we started at 30 some million and now at 87 million that went to cambridge analytica and that is more than the population of california, new york and texas combined. and now we know there is 126 million people whose information was somehow in the hands of the russian troll factory. so this is -- it keeps changing as they do their auditing. so of course everyone should be concerned. i think one of the questions i'm going to ask on the record is, is it possible that every american's data might have been shared and that just can't be and that is why we need rules for data breaches, so there could be notification if that occurs and also rules to make it easier that you can be able to keep your information private.

>> not every senator who asked questions was part of the facebook generation and some senators more media -- or social media savvy than others. do you think that disparity got in the way of questioning zuckerberg. >> i saw some twitter feed out there from my colleagues and we'll leave that out there between you and me and the audience and senator shots and senator warner in this business before and we have a number of us working on this for a long time. and i don't think that is an excuse. you can't use age as an excuse or cluelessness as an excuse about not doing something what b what is the biggest privacy concern and the biggest breach we've seen in a decade. you just can't do nothing. and that is why i think you'll see bills coming forward. i'm working on a bipartisan bill and start seeing ideas come forward of how to regulate the companies but the democracy

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the president did not spend the day grumbling about the person that would [ inaudible ]. pamela brown has the latest. what are the thoughts on firing rosenstein or the statements. >> reporter: the president's consideration of firing rod rosenstein has gained urgency following