robotic. >> can we play the audio from that clip? >> it is enough to make the face of facebook what the zuck. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> and all i can think is he must have had to go to the bathroom. thank for joining us, anderson starts now. >> good evening a busy night. capping off a day. investigation into his campaign and the raid into his personal attorney michael cohen. breaking news about what else fbi agents were looking for. it wasn't just information about payments to a former porn star, it wasn't just allegedly about bank records, it was also communication between cohen and

his client trump about that access hollywood tape. cnn jim acosta has the story. what are you learning about monday's raid. >> reporter: we are confirming that fbi agents who raided, sought communications that mr. cohen had with trump and others. regarding the infamous -- specific reference to the president is the first direct reverence to the president. so this is obviously, you know, a story that a lot of people thought would not come back to haunt the president, but appears to have merged with this mueller

investigation in the way that the white house is not happy about. >> do we know why they would have been interested in this information or why they were looking for information about the tape or attempts to keep it from coming out? >> reporter: one of the sources that we talked to said the warrant also referenced an investigation into wire fraud and bank fraud. cnn reported that fbi agents removed cell phone, financial files, business documents. the search warrant sought communications between then candidate trump and his associates regarding efforts to prevent disclosure of the tape. and all of this is of great interest to the mueller team. now in addition to that, investigators wanted records, communications concerning other potential negative information about then candidate trump that the campaign would have wanted to contain. obviously ahead of the election, i remember covering that election as you know all too well.

this was a bomb shell and the sources that we are talking to said this warrant was not specific about what this additional information might be, but obviously the mueller team wants to get to the bottom of all of this and when you talk to white house sources they are obviously not pleased about this. they see this as a continuation of a fishing expedition. that is why for example the president is apparently reevaluating this idea of sitting down with investigators. >> john kelly and what he is seeing in the white house. >> reporter: our white house team is reporting that john kelly is coming in this week and hoping things would calm down. that has not been the case. obviously, the raid on the office of michael cohen changed much of that and then there is this decision about whether or

not to launch air strikes on syria. the president indicated this morning in that tweet which shocked almost all of washington that the president would forecast or telegraph an up coming missile strike on yria. the white house tried to tamp down on that. saying the president is reviewing all of his option. walking back his tweet. john kelly expected things to be quieter and he is not getting that. >> maggie haberman joins us now. explain more about what you learned about the raid and the access hollywood piece. >> it is a bunch of categories describes to me as a lengthy search warrant. looking for communications that

cohen might have had with the president or on his own around the "access hollywood" tape. negative stories, negative publicity around the president. it is a broad scope. it is not clear what role cohen might have had. the same day of wikileaks dump of podesta's e-mails. went online and engulfed the campaign. michael cohen was one of the only defenders of the president then candidate on television when the tape broke. a number of people close to this case, puzzled about what they were searching for. >> the president's mood was brooding and fearful.

any insight on how he is handling this latest indication. >> not happily. the "access hollywood" tape as you know was deeply embarrassing to him. and he is not somebody particularly getting embarrassed about thiese things. confirmed his belief, a, he and michael cohen are said to believe this is robert mueller's hidd hidden hand. done on a referral by mueller. this confirms what the president had in his mind. how the president sees it, that mueller has been out to get him this entire time and this is evidence of that. there are a lot of people close to the president saying they can't understand what this would have to do with anything. the topic infuriates and touches

a nerve on the president. it is not going to help. >> you reported yesterday the president wanted to fire mueller back in december. and also back in june, but mcgann stopped him. >> everyone i talked to says he knows he should not fire mueller and it is a dangerous proposition. the question on what happens to rod rosenstein comes up more frequently. but at the moment recognizes that is problematic. he is often musing about firing any of these people. shut down which is what he says on a nearly daily basis for weeks if not months.

most of his advisers say that is just how he talks. and the case in december, he was extremely angry and had to be talked off of it. you know, it is easy to dismiss the idea that he might do any of these things and except one time he did pull the trigger and that was james comey. and it is why you can't dismiss this as just him musing. >> on a morning where the president tweeted get ready the missiles coming. mueller is most conflicted of all except those who -- so they go crazy. just technically speaking these a are not all democrats. >> it is not all fake, the

intelligence community believes that russia was behind efforts to influence the 2016 election in the hopes of hurting hillary clinton and helping donald trump. there are many other reasons why there is quote-unquote bad blood that are geopolitical in nature whchl the president says something like that, it is essentially the kind of thing that would only appeal to a couple of people, but among them, it is hard for him on one hand to criticize russia in the context of syria and then say oh, this collusion thing is all a fake. the person who seems to be suggesting this is all a hoax is the leader of the country and leader of the republican party. other people are not, his own party members don't agree with him. and he just sees himself as interchangeable with the institution he serves and has been unable to say you know, in

efforts to influence the election of 2016, was an affront to democracy. >> just finally, when hope hicks left, you said things could get out of control without her there, and do you believe that is what we are seeing shere? >> i think that is part of it. never just one person, but a number of people who have worked in concert to try to calm him down. some are still in the white house, and others have left, hope hicks is not the only person and that has delayed him at certain points. help getting him off the ledge when he talks about the investigation or firing this one or that one. a raid by the fbi on his personal lawyer, if there were a thousand hope hicks there, i am

not sure it would calm him down. >> thank you. last night the president met with allen dershowitz. he has written at least six books on the middle east. and professor joins us. so do norm easen. a lot of your former students sprinkled around the world. >> that's right. >> did any aspect -- >> i can't describe what went on in my dinners. the subject of all the meetings went on around the middle east, but let me tell but the "hollywood access" tape.

it was illegally recorded. it was recorded in california which is a two party state. >> but they were wearing a microphone. >> if you don't know the microphone is on. if i leave here and go to the bathroom and the microphone is on and i talk. that happened in a situation, that murder guy. at least a question. >> but during the commercial break if we were all talking. >> remember, he left. all i am saying is arguable. trump calls his lawyer. cohen, and says stop this tape. it is illegal. i didn't consent to it stop it. use all legal means. the government gets that information. a taint team goes through the

material and they say this is lawye lawy lawyer/client privilege. or a conversation between a man and his wife, a spouse. would any american citizen be happy to have his or her private communications read by an fbi agent on the assurance that merely it -- >> you are saying it should be read by a gjudge. >> it shouldn't be read by anybody. >> tell them to dump all of that stuff that we know they have because this tape just got released. >> that wouldn't be the crime either. >> sorry. >> that is another hypothetical. >> that wouldn't be a crime calling wikileaks saying you got

material. >> it wouldn't be an example of potential. >> anderson, you just heard the world's smallest violin playing for allen's argument. then by rod rosenstein, then it was sent over to the u.s. attorney's office and reviewed again by the public corruption unit here. it could be that allen is right. >> and a judge would have signed off on this search warrant. >> and you have to get judicial permission. but the review before the judge made a probable cause finding is much more searching. and whatever it is it is going to be the most scrutinized review in history. i think there is, which is why i think al listlen, this is a fla your argument. i think the prosecution has powerful reasons.

we don't know what they are. the timing sure is substantial. but there is something else, the history of trump's paying hush money to women that he allegedly has had relationships with. >> perfectly legal. >> and there are allegations that sometimes there have been threats against those women. and that may be what these prosecutors are looking at, a pattern of illegal contact. >> the bottom line, is we don't know. >> let me tell you what we do know. the search warrant allowed for the seizure of material that is confidential. in other words nobody does a preliminary search and says just seize material that is not covered by the privilege. then somebody reads that material. and says it is covered by the privilege and says oh, but i won't tell the prosecutor. let's assume hypothetically that they go and find privileged

material between the president and his lawyer but it is embarrassing. do you think anybody believes that the fbi wouldn't leak the material. do you think that is a safe guard to protect the right of every american not to have confidential material. >> if they felt, if there was concern that this information might be destroyed, that michael cohen might be getting rid of the information, isn't there a time essence there. >> if there was evidence of that. but i don't think there was anything in the warrant to suggest that there was probable cause to believe. let me ask all your listeners this question. if hillary clinton had been elected president and they were investigating her with a special counsel. and going after the e-mails and saying she destroyed computers and this and that. and they raided her lawyer's

office, the aclu would be on the case. and my former student would be on this case objecting to it. >> democrats would be against it. >> republicans have now discovered civil liberties and that is a good thing. >> allen it is not right. if any president of any party had committed the kinds of conduct that we've seen here. >> you mean like -- >> let me finish. >> destroying e-mails? >> you interrupted me when i was in your class. and you interrupted me when i was working in your law practice. and you're doing it now. if any president had done the kinds of things that donald trump has done, raising the serious prospect that you may have had obstruction of justice committed in the white house with the pattern around the comey firing, this pattern of very disturbing possible campaign finance violations, did

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michael coh and the breaking news surrounding the fbi raids on cohen executing search warrants on attorneys. and preet b. >> and i was being asked to personally approve as someone had to have been in the southern district of new york, a search of someone's home and office who was counsel to the president, i would want a lot more than the bare minimum proof of probable cause. so i predict that if they decide they had enough evidence to engage in an aggressive move that is correct the likelihood that michael cohen is going to be charged is high. >> do you agree with that? >> i think it is. the question is not the right's

of the lawyer. lawyers aren't above the law. it is the rights of the clients. when you talk the entire computer, all of the financial records. it includes conversations and transactions. >> how can it be done then? you are saying what? a judge should be the one? >> if anyone is going to go through it, it should be a judge or a neutral monitor appointed by the court. so the least number of people possible, the trusted people actually read the lawyer/client. >> the subpoenas need to be narrowly tailored. i had cases in which the tank teams worked.

and i supervised an fbi. i believe that if they have instructions not to leak, they will not leak. >> and i got a bridge to sell you in brooklyn. no leaks, oh my god, a leak? it sounds like a scene from casablanca. leaking is pervasive. the head of the fbi james comey, leaked information and laundered it through a professor. saying leaking is okay. it is pervasive. >> you said it would be a mistake for the president to fire mueller. what about rod rosenstein. >> he should be recused. >> he wrote the memo.

the first person you call as a witness, is rod rosenstein. you wrote the memo. did you obstruct justice. >> do you think it would be a mistake to replace him. >> i think rosenstein's own status in the case raises deep questions. let's assume he doesn't get recused and he testifies. his lawyers will come back and say, if he is now recused. we have to go back and see if he tainted anything else. i want to take the opportunity to apologize to norm as you know when you were my student, when i interrupted the student, it was the highest praise, say statement saying i get your point. >> now i am going to interrupt and you praise you by disagreeing. first of all, it is not a

tactical question when we are talking about the firing of rod rosenstein or mueller. it is a profound, it is not a tactical question, it is the most profound attack on our rule of law. number two, it is not correct, allen. i have done these government conflicts including sitting in the white house, it is not correct that a prosecutor needs to be recused at this stage of the case. you tell me one time in the thousands of cases that you have done when you have knocked out a prosecutor pretrial before even an indictment of the subject or target, name one example. >> first of all, you want to ask yourself if you are a lawyer, whether it is tactically advisable to do so. you are telling me it is okay for the same person to be investigating, prosecuting the case when he knows he is going

to be the central witness in the case. does this pass the smell case. >> we do not know it. >> of course we do. >> and the rules, there are rules on this, and the rules do not require it. this is more presidential mischief being recycled out of your dinner. >> the rules require common sense, and the common sense says you can't be a witness and investigating the same case. >> talked to one of the sponsor of the bill democratic senator cory booker next. this car is literally my baby.

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with breaking news fuming over the raids. now a bipartisan group of senators working together to try to protect mueller. today they rolled out a new consolidated version of proposed legislation that would do that. would ensure that mueller or any special counsel could be fired by quote good cause by senior justice department official. and also require a ten-day window. democratic senator cory booker is one of the sponsors of the bill. i am wondering why you and your fellow senators decided to submit legislation today. >> first of all, i want to be clear, i introduced this legislation with lindsey graham last year.

there has been a lot of movement on legislation, but you are right, a renewed sense of urgency and vigor to move this forward. i am hopeful that we are going to get this into our committee and out of our committee and god willing perhaps to the senate floor for a vote. >> we learned, the fbi sought communications between then candidate trump and cohen on that "access hollywood" tape. >> first of all, we have a constitutional crisis in the making should we ever have between now and the future of history have a president who he himself or his associates are under investigation. in this case, we have seen his associates be indicted and still obtain the power without good cause to fire or order the firing of special counsel. and if we can't figure out a way to check that power, we can make

for a serious financial crisis. i am one of those folks who thinks let mueller do his work. i know there is a lot of speculation but you see a progression of work and a thorough investigation going on. i want to make sure, that we in congress, i am grateful that there are republicans who are prudent, sober legislation. i want to make sure that we avoid what we saw in the past. >> you do have republican cosponsors on the bill, but most republicans oppose it. to say nothing about even if it does pass, the likelihood of the press actually signing. >> we are seeing circumstances change daily. one of the reasons this bill is getting momentum now is because you are starting to see a president saying things that are

not only sort of threatening the process but seemingly potentially recklessly pushing us towards a crisis. >> did fire rod rosenstein, would that in your opinion constitutional crisis? >> again, if he fired rosenstein and installed somebody who then ordered to fire mueller, when you have seen what is going on, you have seen indictments and one person being sentenced who pled guilty. for him to interrupt an investigation like that, you would bring about a moment in our country where you would have a crisis in our nation. >> this tweet by the president saying much of the bad blood by russia is caused by the fake and

corrupt investigation headed by democrat loyalist. does that make any sense to you. the majority of the people here we are talking about are republicans. >> i mean, this is the thing that frustrates me. we have seen an investigation led by a republican. we all need to keep reminding ourselves, this is about the strength and security of our democracy. putin is not met by power, not shown american force pushing him back, he will be emboldened by what we see in our democracy. we are in a cyber contest with the russians. to have a president of the united states not appreciate this and not recognize the danger and the threat and be

doing things that are at the very least trying to create an atmosphere, this is very problematic and i think in many ways this is malpractice on a president whose first concern should be protecting the american people. >> appreciate your time. thank you. coming up next, more on the stormy daniels' documents that the fbi was seeking. stormy daniels' attorney joins us next. well, like most of you, i just bought a house.

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>> as we reported by "new york times," sources telling cnn that the fbi was looking -- shows the now president bragging obviously about sexual assault, the tape does. and the warrant include the documents relating to the pay off. her attorney joins me now. just in general, now that it has been two days since this raid, how do you see this raid? obviously it is bad news for michael cohen, to you, what stands out about it?

>> i think this entire raid is centered around this $130,000 payment. >> you think that is front and center? >> look, i can't get into the details, but i know it is front and center and i think it is going to be a clean case ultimately. and it is going to be far easier to prove than russian collusion. >> if the president did know about it, what is the crime there? >> first of all, i think it is highlig highly unlikely that he did not know about it. if the president did not arrange reimbursement, he is scott free, no issues. i disagree. if it can be shown that the president knew that michael cohen paid this money or conspired with michael cohen, that would be a felony.

that would be a conspiracy potentially between -- >> a lot of people pointed to the idea that this was about campaign finances and saying this is not such a big deal. you are saying it is campaign. >> it is a big deal. i have seen panelist saying big deal, we are talking about felonies. >> often times campaign finance violations. >> al cappone went down for tax evasion and this could be a similar situation. if they occurred it would be easily proven. and this is something that i have been saying for a couple of weeks now. i think that that is the target of these raids. that is the target of this investigation. i don't know what to make of this "access hollywood" tape, to

the best of my knowledge, no reporting that suggests, or no facts to suggests that there was any change of money or any money in connection with this "access hollywood" tape. the only focus as it relates to the "access hollywood" could be acts of thuggery or intimidation. to the extent that michael cohen knew about this or the president knew about this. that is the only aspect relating to the "access hollywood." >> you talked about releasing a i don't know, what do you call it? an investigation by stormy daniels, you had a sketch artist do by the person she says threatened her in 2011 in las vegas. you intimated you weren't going to do that. >> she described in detail this serious threat back in 2011. subsequent to that, my client

sat down with a foremost forensic artist. we were on the verge of releasing that together with details concerning a reward. asked to delay that. this is a dynamic situation. >> can you say who you asked by? >> i am not at liberty to discuss that. but what i will say this is a dynamic situation. a lot has happened within the last 48 hours. and these raids that occurred on monday, they are not the last raids. there are other raids that are contemplated and i anticipate them coming in within the next week. >> when you say you know that for a fact, the only way is you said you had been contacted and stormy daniels is cooperating with officials from the mueller investigation. are you saying you have learned that from people you have -- >> i am not going to get into details as to where i learned that. but our track record over the

last weeks what i predicted or what we predicted is pretty damn good. >> more raids to come? >> we have only scratched the surface. i have the utmost competence. they are going to get to the bottom of this. there is a lot of information that is going to come down the pike if you will. and if i was the president, i would not be sleeping well at night. >> michael avenatti. thank you very much. twitter warnings get ready russia. next. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..."

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the world is looking at him. and is wondering what he's saying. and so, i don't thwart him for having, you know -- you have to signal in some way, are you going to respond to this? react to this? is that -- the mistake, of course, was all of that criticism that he was heaping, piling on barack obama, which really misunderstood the nature of the presidency. of course, the president has to have some reaction when these things happen. he could have had a -- frankly, he could have had a more guarded reaction, the kind that obama or bush would have had, which gives you more options. in fact, whatever his press secretary says, he doesn't have any option at this point. he has said he's going to respond. >> and with smart weapons. chairman rogers, defense secretary mattis said today that the u.s. and key allies are still working on options to respond and have not even definitively concluded who is behind the attacks. how risky is it, then, for the president to make a statement like that? or was it the right thing for him to do? >> listen, i was with trump when he said, we shouldn't telegraph what we're doing tactically.

and he certainly didn't do that in his tweet. what i also found a little disturbing, this is why you don't have this kind of kploe diplomacy over a short character tweet, is thats t the russians could certainly misinterpret this. he deliberately poked the russians in what we think was an assad regime attack using chemical weapons. why would you enrage the russians? the best way to do that is have the attack, take away their ability to deliver chemical weapons, and then come out and say, hey, the russians need to clean up their act, they should not be supporting these folks. and now what's happened is you see anti-air units are being deployed, units are being moved around syria, ships have deployed, the russian ships have deployed out of tartus, a russian-controlled port in syria. and the reason they're going, they believe, if you're going to fire missiles, you have to do it from the met and they're going to have ships out there to try to deal with that. none of that is good. some of that they were going to

do anyway, but this heightened poke you in the chest just doesn't help and may, in fact, have taken away an avenue in which the president could have dealt with this issue. >> the striking thing listening to mike is, there's so much kind of bizarre, bizarre incompetence in the trump white house. sometimes, you know, things go wrong. government is very hard. national security is very hard. but so many of these cases, it is obvious that this is not what you want to do, because you create more problems for yourself than yourself. so look at the steel tariffs for china. they decide to go on with steel tariffs and surprise, surprise, we actually import most of our steel from canada and mexico and south korea and germany. so then you have to provide exceptions to all those countries. or just, you know, think about what mike just said. this is all predictable, if somebody just had a national security council meeting and had this five or six people around saying, okay, if we were to do this, what would likely happen? so then you don't do that. so it seems as though nobody in

the trump white house does any scenario planning before they announce something or before the president tweets something. >> chairman rogers, white house spokesman sarah sanders kind of danced around the president's comments, saying just pause the president laid out one option, doesn't mean he's looking or not looking at other options, including diplomacy. to fareed's point, does there need to be a clear strategy communicated in any type of reaction? >> completely. and if this were part of some grand strategy that maybe those of us who are in the -- used to do a lot of the national security work don't understand, that's great. but you need to articulate it. or at least demonstrate it. and when you have the secretary of defense who's in a different position saying, well, wait a minute, we haven't even worked out the issues with our allies yet. and by the way, if you're going to be successful at this, you have to have our allies engaged in whatever decision, even if the president decided, i am going to fire tomahawk missiles and take out your ability to deliver a chemical weapon, either by air or by machinery or by runway, all of those things could be options. now that seems a bit muddled.

and you've gotten ahead of the negotiations with your allies. i will tell you, that will honk them off. that's a technical diplomatic term, anderson. >> yeah. >> it will happen. they're not going to be happy about this, because they want to get it right. they want to be able to tell their people why this is important and why we need to thwart the use of chemical weapons. i just think it takes away options, it doesn't help you build allies and put your options on the table. >> chairman rogers, for a reid zakaria, thank you very much. coming up, new details on the raid on michael cohen's office, hotel room, and home. and also, new reporting on a plan to cripple the russia probe and the return of steve bannon. u more for your thing. your letting go thing. your sorry not sorry thing. your out with the old in with the new, onto bigger and better thing. get the live tv you love. no bulky hardware.

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