white house saying he's too conflicted to comment on the investigation because he wrote about james comey. thanks for joining us on "inside politics" today. we'll see you sunday. wolf starts right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. in washington. wherever you're watching from around the world, thank you so much for joining us. the president of the united states and the former fbi director he fired, they are now at war. president trump calling james comey a slimeball as comey breaks his silence with a devastating takedown of the president and his behavior. among the explosive revelations, president trump didn't care about russian meelddling in the u.s. presidential election, he was obsessed with the solacious

dossier and his relationship with stormy daniels. michael cohen's attorneys trying to keep material under wraps. one surprise participant at that hearing is an attorney representing president trump arguing on behalf of the president. our crime and justice reporter shimon prokupecz is over at the courthouse in new york here in washington. cara scanel with more details on what the fbi is specifically looking into with regard to comey. shimon, let me go to you first. was it surprising to have one of the president's attorneys there at the hearing? >> certainly, wolf, it was surprise forg all because we had expected to hear arguments here. we weren't even sure we would be allowed in the courtroom because there was some thought this would be a sealed proceeding. but when we got inside, michael cohen's attorneys started making

some arguments. then we learned that someone was intervening and that person was the president. his attorneys were present and they were going to argue that he, the president, donald trump is the only person who can waive privilege in this case, not his attorney michael cohen, and therefore the government should not have access to some of this information. now, the judge told the attorneys that the law in this was sparse but that she is going to give them an opportunity, she's going to give the president's attorneys an opportunity to file a brief which will be due sometime on sunday evening. but certainly this was a surprise because we had all along just expected this to be about michael cohen attorneys and what they're doing over their concern about privileged materials being handed over to the fbi and really prosecutors, who made it clear, government corruption attorneys in court today, who made it clear in court and open court that this is a criminal investigation that is ongoing and that they need

access to some of this information. we also, wolf, expect that a court filing at some point today, perhaps in the next few hours, will be made public which will indicate or give us some information as to what the government is seeking here, what they've been doing. we expect that there will be a 2:00 hearing here where another person who we all know by now, michael avenatti, stormy daniels' attorney, is going to make some arguments. he told the court he did speak to the court here before we adjourned this afternoon, that he believes, he'll have to address his client and ept to address the court about that. >> cara, tell us what you're learning. you're learning specifically what the court is investigating. >> earlier this week we found questions about michael cohen's taxi medallion business.

now they toll gloria borger and i that the search on monday also asked specifically about one partner michael cohen had in that taxi medallion business, a staem kno family known as the steiners. they own a lot of companies in chicago and michael cohen loaned them money. cohen is a security debtor on several of those, so we know he has lent them money over the years. it's not clear exactly what interests the fbi. there is no indication that the family has done anything wrong. but we are led into. the question is what hits was he doing to suppress information before the campaign and the election, wolf. >> sh stand by. shimon, i'll get back to you.

how significant is it that at this hearing in new york, the. >> it's extraordinary. it also goes back to what happened a little over a couple weeks ago when the president intervened into the federal action in california over your stormy daniels' case. >> the president of the united states, we're not surprised it's happening. they said, you see documents? that belongs to my most prized client. michael cohen cannot give information, he can't talk about it unless he wants to, but he has a vested interest that any materials we receive. unlike with jeff sessions and other hearings on the hill in that, i'm going to learn.

>> the lawyers representing michael cohen, they filed a temporary order to keep the government from going through some of the those materials that the fbi raided at his office and home in new york. >> it is unusual to serve a subpoena on a lawyer's office. it's an indication of how serious they think the potential material is that they could find that would be part of that subpoena. remember that what the president describes as an attack on america, that the fbi would investigate this, could be evidence of a crime of bank fraud, of wire fraud. this could be part of a larger case that the special prosecutor is pursuing against the president, or it could just be about going after michael cohen. this is what people need to understand about prosecutors. they charge crimes. if michael cohen is in the way,

maybe it doesn't have anything to do with donald trump down the line. maybe they know -- one of the attorneys told me that they may have suspected obstruction of evidence, and that may be one reason to go into this office. but we also reported -- cara, skinell and laura and i reported last evening that michael cohen had a lot of tape recordings which he very often tape-recorded media personalities, people who called him. he would defend the president, this is running for the election and routinely, a, it's how i've been defending donald trump. what other recordings michael

cohen has. >> or any information that could be leveraged against other people. >> the prosecutors and the fbi play tough and they care about the rule of law. donald trump has all kinds of dealings, business dealings. whatever michael cohen was up to in this preposterous story, just ask any lawyer who is worth their word in salt if the president paid stormy daniels. >> is he his attorney or his right-hand man? you can't have a professional relationship. if you have a compartmentalized relationship, then we'll attack your attorney in court.

>> people that know donald trump understand who he is and intrinsically who he is. this latest to have the president's name in it and to have his lawyer associated for the first time, that's intrinsic as well. we cannot forget that. >> these phone conversations that michael cohen would routinely record, do we know if he recorded conversations with the president himself? >> we don't know. we absolutely do not know. since the president was down the hall a couple doors from him, maybe not. we also don't know if the president recorded conversations. we know that donald trump had two phones in his office and routinely would be on a phone and have somebody else pick it up and listen, but we don't know the answer to that. i want to add one other thing. i just got off the phone with a couple of sources who are familiar with the president's thinking. and they said, you know, a week or so ago, the president was pretty sanguine.

he was feeling more comfortable about what he was doing, he was doing everything he wanted to do. one source just said to me now that his anger is beyond what anyone can imagine, and another source said to me he is becoming completely unmanageable. >> it's interesting that you say that. >> at least he's not president of the united states or something. >> it's interesting that you say that for that to happen now. jase few weeks ago he was trying out new lawyers, trying to find new lawyers, even white shoe lawyers who said, i'm not going to do this, because one, the president would talk too much and throw so much out there that's now coming back to hurt him. i would think back then during that time, he would have been angry. but he's angrier now. >> he's got a new lawyer representing him in this hearing in new york city today. we'll get more on that as well. everybody stick around. the other breaking story happening right now, the president fired fbi director james comey in a war of words after james comcomey calls him d

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explosive revelations and a fiery response from president trump. we are now hearing today from former director james comey fired last year by president trump. he has a brand new book coming out and we're seeing excerpts from that book. plus he's talking about a conversation he had with the president about those very solacious revelations in the steele dossier. >> he told me to investigate that, and i said, sir, that's up to you, but you may want to be careful about that because it may create a narrative that we're investigating you. >> did you approve of his

denial? >> i don't know if the president was with prostitutes in moscow in 2013. it's possible, but i don't know. >> the president responded on twitter earlier in the day, quote, james comey is a proven leaker and liar. virtually everyone in washington thought he should be fired for the terrible job he did until he was, in fact, fired. he leaked classified information for which he should be prosecuted. he lied to congress under ooath. he is a weak and untruthful slimeball who is, as time as proven, a terrible director of the fbi. his handling of the clinton case and mishandling of it will go down as one of the worst botched jobs in history. it was my honor to fire james comey. here's more of what comey said in that abc news interview. >> i started to tell him about the allegation was that he had been involved with prostitutes in a hotel in moscow in 2013

during a visit for the miss universe pageant, and that the russians had filmed the episode. and he interrupted very defensively and started talking about, do i look like a guy who needs hookers, and assuming he was asking that rhetorically, i didn't answer that, and i just moved on, saying, sir, i'm not saying we credit this, i'm not saying we believe it, i just thought it very important that you know. >> did you tell him you thought it was true or you didn't know if it was true or not? >> i never said i don't believe it because i couldn't say one way or another. >> how weird was that briefing? >> really weird. it was almost an out of body experience for me. i was floating above myself looking down saying, you're sitting here briefing the incoming president of the united states about prostitutes in moscow. >> amazing. amazing stuff indeed. gloria borger joining our panel as well.

what do you think? >> the one thing a former fbi director can do is dodge a question. when you see him repeating certain words that are, no question, solacious, i'm stunned that he went that far. that said, i talked to quite a few former fbi high-ranking sources. they are not happy about this because they feel it crosses the line of professionalism. they are worried about their reputation. they've been under attack, the organization has been under attack, and they're afraid that when he says these things and goes this far, it further hurts their reputation short-term and long-term. >> gloria, what was your reaction? >> i think there is a couple books in this book from what i've seen. and again, i haven't read the whole thing. there is the one book which is about honor, integrity, justice and his notion that he was dealing with somebody he didn't

trust who was a serial liar, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, who didn't understand the separation of powers and all the rest. and then there's the part of it that's kind of revenge served cold part of it, which i think is quite unattractive, to be honest, because if you want to be bigger than that, you don't talk about the president's marriage or the size -- i was looking at the size of the president's hands, and again, i don't know how much of a part of the book that is, because i haven't read it fully except for excerpts, obviously, so i think i want to pay a lot of attention to what comey is saying about the substance of the discussions he had with the president, the discussions he had with jeff sessions and where this would lead people to believe. on obstruction, he does make a judgment on that, but less on the other stuff. >> i think there is a couple

important points. tl there is a lot of noise with this and a lot of incrimination. i think comey is making a mistake by going into these details and joining the fray in a way that he should not, in a way that intelligence officials should not, in the way andrew mccabe should not have. they served institutions that are bigger than them, and they shouldn't really be getting down to the president's level who is engaging in all of that. comey has done so much to hurt himself in the conduct of the investigation with the clinton e-mails, doing something unprecedented by talking the way he talked when he shouldn't have done that, trying to manage his media profile and his public profile. but we should also be very clear. he was not fired because of any of that. donald trump was not defending hillary clinton's honor. he fired him because he didn't like the russia investigation. and what this book details is the fact that this president has no regard for the major institutions of law and order.

just ask yourself, if hillary clinton as president had done any of these things, would members of the house, i think one of whom you've got coming up on the program, would they have voted to get hid of her by now? >> april, i want to get your reaction, but listen to what comey said on this assertion that the president of the united states following meetings he and other officials had with him was clearly not interested in russian meddling in the presidential election. listen to this. >> president-elect trump's first question was to confirm that it had no impact on the election. and then the conversation, to my surprise, moved into a pr conversation about how the trump team would position this and what they could say about this. they actually started talking about drafting a press release with us still sitting there. and the reason that was so striking to me is that's just not done. the intelligence community does intelligence, the white house does pr and spin.

>> you also said you were struck by what they didn't ask. >> very much. no one to my recollection asked, so what's coming next from the russians? how might we stop it? what's the future look like? it was all, what can we say about what they did and how it affects the election that we just had? >> everybody hold all their thoughts for a moment because we're just getting this statement in from the white house. the president has pardoned scooter libby, the then chief of staff to former vice president dick cheney. chief correspondent jim acosta is on the story for us now. tell us about the president's presentation, especially given the current context? >> reporter: scooter libby, was, of course, part of that investigation into who leaked the identity of cia agent and

operative valerie plame during the george w. bush administration, it was all really in reference to the case that was made for the iraq war during that time period. scooter libby was under investigation, as were other administration officials, for the leaking of valerie plame's identity. he was convicted of perjury in that case, and the white house announcing today that the president is going to pardon scooter libby, so that is happening now. that just was announced by the white house in the last several moments. the reason why all of this is important, a couple different things. one is we should point out that scooter libby's appointment, victoria tensing, she has been talked about in the last couple weeks about potentially joining the president's legal team and going up against the mueller investigation. that didn't pan out. there were conflicts cited as the reason why she didn't sign on. but perhaps more broadly and

more importantly, wolf, the reason why this is important, and you're hearing a lot of legal analysts bring this up, the president is showing a willingness to use his presidential power to pardon people, and there are concerns that if the mueller investigation continues to go down this road and you have convictions coming in the not-too-distant future that the president could essentially be sending a message to people who might be tempted to cooperate with robert mueller to essentially hold on, don't cooperate too much might be the implication here, because if you do end up going to jail, you could be pardoned later on. that is the message some people are talking about, that that is the concern here, that the president, by pardoning scooter libby, may be sending a message to people who are just essentially ensnared in the russia investigation, wolf. obviously all of that is going to come up at the briefing this afternoon with sarah sanders when she holds that briefing in

about an hour from now. figure from the bush administration part of that entire episode, that saga over the wrongful case that was made by that administration about the weapons of mass destruction in iraq, there is some closure in all of this, i suppose, and koo scooter libby being pardoned, but it will certainly raise a lot of questions, wolf. >> it certainly will. the president said, i don't know mr. libby, but for years i have heard he has been treated unfairly. hopefully this full pardon will help rectify a very sad portion of his life. jim acosta, stand by, you've done a lot of reporting on the scooter libby perjury, obstruction of justice. he received clemency by president bush but not a full pardon. >> president bush decided he was not going to pardon him, and this became public because vice president cheney went to the mat with president bush and said you can't leave a wounded soldier on

the field. president bush decided he could not go there. so this is a big move by trump. here is some context. i know that vice president cheney and victoria tensing and jo dejen eva have been lobbying this with mr. trump for some time. nobody in the valerie plame case was convicted for leaking her name. the prosecutors knew from day one that it was richard armitage at the state department. and supporters and conservatives of scooter libby have always felt this was a case of prosecutorial overreach. and who were the two people involved in that case? james comey, who appointed the special counsel patrick fitzgerald. so this speaks to donald trump

in a way that i don't think any other case would, because this is the way he feels. >> do you think it might be a coincidence that the day after the comey book came out? i'm just saying. i'm just saying. and obviously he's just sticking his thumb in his eye. he may agree that he should be pardoned. absolutely, he could get back his law license, as we were talking about. but it sends a signal to people like paul manafort, somebody like manafort who faces the rest of his life in prison, for example -- >> this is also trump with a view that none of this matters and that the rule of law doesn't matter. president george w. bush didn't pardon him because his lawyer said, you can't do this. this is going too far. and president bush was angry with vice president cheney about going to the mattresses on this whole point. so this is the reality that this

president, who is being investigated to what extent on this question we can't know of obstructing justice by firing jim comey, but certainly robert mueller knows about it. whether he could be indicted as a sitting president doesn't matter, this is by report by the special prosecutor. but his contempt for this investigation is evident, i think, by reaching out to somebody who was not mistreated. >> jim acosta is absolutely right, but you also have to remember, when you look at this moment in time, the president is very strategic. he understands that there is something else that mueller is doing in the background. he knows that something else is percolating. so he wants to start moving this piece so that all of those to include primarily manafort, understand, you can be pardoned

if you just -- >> trey gowdy, who was the republican former u.s. district attorney in oklahoma, said about president trump, if you are innocent, why don't you act innocent. this kind of behavior. he's frustrated that he can't control this kind of behavior. but this is something he can. >> the president has the authority to go ahead and pardon anyone he wants. >> he absolutely has presidential pardon authority. you saw this earlier in his administration with sheriff joe paio in his handling of undocumented immigrants. his message is for rod rosenstein and robert mueller.

why? because at the time there was a special counsel appointed to oversee the matter involving this man scooter libby, the deputy attorney general at the time was jim comey. and the patrick fitzgerald character was the equivalent of robert mueller. so if you're saying to these people, i believe there was a scapegoat or witness of sorts and i'm going to rectify that wrong and show you how the past will be prologue, then i believe that's the game that he was playing. but the key thing here is, wolf, he has absolute presidential pardon power in federal crimes. as i said before, the mueller investigation has diversified to state level as well as the attorney general in new york. there is eedva, virginirginia c there's sd crimes in new york. that makes all these separate investigations virtually go on

auto pilot, especially on the state level. i think it is a commentary about how he views witch hunts, but the larger irony in addition to what he's trying to say to these people, is this is a man who is very, very vocal about leaking, about people who lie. he even called james comey lying comey. i guess it actually means if they wear a hat of witch hunt. we have to follow breaking news. we'll take a quick break and be right back.

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the president at the time, president george w. bush, gaifr him clemency from jail time. the president says, i don't know, mknow mr. libby, but for years i've heard he was treated unfairly. hopefully this will help rectify a sad part of his life. the first member of congress to endorse donald trump for the presidency, congressman, thank you for joining us. what's your reaction to this decision, in effect rejecting the recommendation, rejecting what president george w. bush did at going ahead and giving scooter libby this full pardon? >> clearly a lot of years have passed, and it's the prerogative of the president to do this. he had already had his law license restored, his right to vote restored, so this is, obviously, folks came to president trump and said, here's why we think you should pardon

libby, and he listened -- >> what about the timing now to go ahead and give someone convicted of perjury, obstruction of justice, to give this individual the pardon right now. you know what's going on with all the president's inner circle now being investigated, some already pleading guilty, others are awaiting trial like paul manafort, his former campaign chairman. the timing is raising questions. >> i wouldn't look at the timing. it is what it is and some would say there is a timing issue here. >> is the president sending a signal to some saying, you know what, i'm going to protect you if you get into deep trouble. just be loyal and take a look at what i did with scooter libby? >> i would not read that into it. i'm sure others may be trying to read that into it. i would say this is a one-off and would not read anything into it anymore than a lot of years have passed and many folks thought libby was convicted inappropriately, as some of your

other guests just reported. i for one would not read anything else into it. >> let's talk a little bit about what's going on right now. you heard gloria borger reporting the president is livid, he is so angry, not only angry at the fired fbi director james comey but also what's going on in new york, these fbi raids against michael cohen's residence, his hotel room, his office, his long-time personal lawyer, his so-called fixer and friend. and the president seems to be so, so angry right now that some of his aides are worried this is a dangerous moment, and you don't want a president of the united states in a state like this right now. >> well, it's clear that mueller has exceeded anything to do with russian collusion and interference. they're going down every other path. >> you mean by referring this case involving michael cohen to the southern district of new york? >> yes, exactly. what started out as a special prosecutor to look at the potential of russian collusion, which we're clear there was none, it's now taken on what

looks to be a witch hunt. >> we don't know what robert mueller and his team have collected. there have been no leaks. we have no idea how much s substantive information they may have. they're still in the midst of this investigation. >> as someone still pretty close to the campaign, i can tell you i'm convinced there was never any collusion. >> but you don't know what mueller has or doesn't have? >> it's clear he's just going off the reservation. >> why is he going off the reservation? if he sees there are potential crimes that may have been committed, what's wrong with referring it to the acting u.s. attorney in new york? >> he was appointed to look into the potential of russian collusion and russian involvement in the election, and to go down these other roads, i think, is inappropriate. >> let me read to you what he was appointed to do. this is rod rosenstein who is the deputy attorney general because sessions recused himself. he was in charge. but he was specifically told

that he's got various missions, including alleged collaboration or cooperation conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russians, but if other issues come forward, he is clearly authorized to go and look at that as well. that's in the official letter that he received. >> i think many of us would say this is an overreach. many of us were stunned by the fact that trump's personal attorney, his office was raided, things hauled off. clearly nothing to do with russia because this was done by the u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. it just would appear, if there was something there -- >> but a federal judge approved these raids by the fbi. there must have been some good reason, knowing that this isn't just michael cohen a lawyer, this is michael cohen, the president's lawyer for a decade. you got to have some evidence to justify that. >> well, you do, and my guess would be the allegations have nothing to do with trump himself, otherwise this would not have been approved.

i believe this has to do with the potential of cohen having done other illegal activities, potentially not related to trump. otherwise it would not have occurred. so we'll have to see how this plays out as we have a manner of things playing itself out. i think it should run its course. mueller, rosenstein, i don't think either one should be fired, because that would be a firestorm in and of itself. let's let it play out. it's been going on for a long time. i for one am confident there won't be russian collusion linked in here, but only time will tell, but let's let it run its course. >> i think you're right. let's see what happens. these investigations are certainly continuing. thank you very much. representative chris collins from western new york, including not too far from my old hometown of buffalo. thank you very much for coming in. up next, taking on the president of the united states. i'll speak with a democratic member of congress about the james comey revelations, the white house strategy to fight back, all that and more.

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we're following lots of breaking news, including president trump's decision to offer a full pardon to scooter libby, who was the chief of staff to then-vice president dick cheney. representative steve cohn is joining us. he represents the district of tennessee. congressman, thank you very much for joining us. i want to get your opinion on several events, but first, what's your reaction to the scooter libby pardon? >> i think it does telegraph what he will probably do with flynn and manafort, and he'll be using his pardon power like he did with arpaio. he doesn't do it in the most discreet way, he does it for political purposes and he wants

to cover his people. next he could pardon libby and hunt and mcgruger. he wants to pardon them because it's a precursor to him being pardoned. >> you think he's sending a message? >> i think he's sending a message. >> but you don't have any evidence of that, you're looking at the timing. a lot of people making the same conclusion. >> it's a signal. >> let's talk a little about the decision, the james comey book. the president fired him, and you actually criticized his firing by president trump. but before the election, you were no great big fan of james comey, either. >> well, i wasn't. i think he was wrong to give as. information as he did back in june or july concerning hillary clinton. it wasn't the job of an fbi director to go into analysis and

a determinant state of what he thought what went wrong. then we're prohibited to talk about things with the election, and he brought up information on anthony weiner's laptop -- >> do you think he helped contribute to hillary clinton's defeat? >> i definitely think he did. and i was asked on one of these shows and i said i think it factored into the election and cause him to lose it. >> and what do you think about his book, including solacious details? >> i think the book was a good idea. i think he has a lot of information to give the american public. i think james comey is a man of high rectitude, but occasionally his judgment isn't the best, like no one's is. i think his opinion of the trump team are accurate. >> what do you think of all these efforts to undermine the

credibility of the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, who oversees this whole russia probe investigation by robert mueller? >> i think it's despicable. all the things the president has done to undermine everyone has been done to protect himself. it's being done for anyone who will fall for it to get them to think he's been railroaded. he's not. they are all republicans, they're all people he hired or had some input in hiring. they're all respected, professional, lifetime, judiciary people who have great reputations who he has tried to ruin. >> you just heard representative chris collins, republican from new york, the first supporter of donald trump for the presidency say he doesn't think that rod rosenstein or robert mueller should be fired. >> and i agree with him, they shouldn't be fired, and maybe the president will listen to

people like chris collins and some others who told him that -- i guess grassley said it was suicide and some others, it would be a critical mistake and he probably has a better chance with impeachment in the house and the senate than he would otherwise, because i don't think mueller can take it to a grand jury. but i think the information that mueller has if and when it comes out will be enlightening to a lot of people, and i think there are a lot of people that support trump now that when they see the activities, and i think there are activities with russia involved in the election, and there are other activities in new york and being involved in some of the crooked politics. the man has a record of shady deals, i think people will see him in a different perspective. >> we'll see what the conclusion of the investigationings come up with. thank you. >> you're welcome. there's more on the other breaking news we're following. the president's lawyer is making an unexpected appearance in a new york city for the fbi raids involving the president's personal attorney, michael

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we're following another breaking story involving president trump's long time personal attorney michael cohen. according to the "wall street journal," cohen arranged another settlement amid rumors of an affair with reports saying the arrangement involved a republican fund-raiser. to the national political reporter in new york for us with details. so update our viewers. >> reporter: wolf, this is breaking news about donald trump's long time personal lawyer, michael cohen. the "wall street journal," as you said, is reporting he was

involved in setting up a $1.6 million payment to a former playboy model to be quiet about what she claims was an incident in which she was impregnated by a prominent republican donor based in the west coast. his name is elliot brodie. as a part of the agreement and getting this payment of $1.6 million. the journal reports she could not discuss the content of her relationship with the gop fund-raiser. i want to read for you a statement that we have from elliot. first, i would like to apologize to my wife and family for the hurt i've caused. i acknowledged i had a consensual relationship with a playboy play mate . at the end of our relationship, this woman shared she was pregnant. she decided she didn't want to continue with the pregnancy. i offered to help her financially during the difficult period. we have not spoken since that time. he goes on to say he believes it's unfortunate that this personal matter between him and

this former playboy model has come to the national attention because of michael cohen's involvement, but this should not be a shock to him. because michael cohen has been in the headlines so much. as you know, wolf, it was a couple of days ago that federal agents raided the home, hotel room, and office of michael cohen trying to gather a lot of information and various involvements he had over the years. some of which has come to light in the last couple of months. we know he has been involved in various hush agreements, incoming with stormy daniels and karen mcdoeg l. the fact that the journal was reporting he was involved in another hush agreement is potentially significant, wolf. >> do we know how michael cohen got involved in this? >> we don't know the details of that yet. and we're, obviously, still trying to report out the details. but i will say one thing that it also important, one other name, is keith davidson. this is the lawyer who has

previously represented stormy daniels and karen mac dougall. they have different representation. but the journal is reporting that keith davidson also is representing this former playboy model who claims to have had this affair with the republican fund-raiser. wolf? >> we'll continue to watch the story unfold. thank you very much. we'll have more news after this. liberty mutual saved us almost $800 when we switched our auto and home insurance. liberty did what? yeah, they saved us a ton, which gave us a little wiggle room in our budget. i wish our insurance did that. then we could get a real babysitter instead of your brother. hey, welcome back. this guy, right? (laughs) yes. ellen. that's my robe. you could save $782 when liberty stands with you. liberty mutual insurance.

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