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that began as president trump was announcing the strike. >> my fellow americans, a short time ago i ordered the united states armed forces to launch precision strikes on targets associated with the chemical weapons capability. of syrian dictator. the purpose of our actions tonight is establish a strong deterrent against the production, spread and use of chemical weapons. establishing this deterrent is a vital national security interest of the united states. we are prepared to sustain this response until the syria regime stops its use of prohibited chemical agents. >> life for us in northern syria. hello to you. tell us what's going on. >> this point we do look like
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syria is waking up to a day that doesn't seem substantially changed after 17 minutes of u.s. military action. don't get me wrong, significantly wider in scope than april last year. after the use of 59 missiles. double the number. and wider range of targets. a bit more detail to what we heard from the secretary of defense mattis. the research facility according to to syria state tv was hit in demas kus. a research facility in the syrian capitol. the targets mentioned by general dunford. were two research facilities. for chemical weapons near or around. both said to be involved in the production of gas. they may have been attacked by a uk forces as well.
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focus there missiles on the facility. that seems to be the limit of it so far. syria state tv running officials talking about how the it's limited. showing daily life getting back to normal. i think it's quite clear that those there was a message intended to be sent here against specifically chemical weapons and facilities themselves. given how lengthy the strike was. it's likely the places have been cleared out. the initial tweets we have heard the places have been hit before by the israel air force. over the past year. so it's unclear exactly what damage was sustained. the message fts clear. they are willing to move together. but donald trump did a deliberate kind of expiring date or limit on what this is about. in the same speech in which he announced the military action. it's not about increasing u.s. involvement in the syrian civil war. the u.s. wants ou.
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it's after isis and wants to persuade russia and iran not back what he called the monster. a very limited 17 minute window here. trump talked about economic and diplomatic moves after. but the military components. it's been focus, reasonably intense. but short. it hasn't changed the balance of power here in syria. >> thank you very much. bring in now cnn ryan brown. at the pentagon. hello to you. jim sciutto was getting information in. here's what he says. sustained response. could include further military action as well as diplomatic and economic steps. while tonight's atake is over, military options remain on the table. including in response to another use of chemical weapons.
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do you have any indication of what else may come from the pentagon? >> secretary mattis tonight after following president trumps announcement briefs reporters saying this was a one shot. this particular set of strikes. but warning that they would be watching the syrian regime moving forward. if it used as it had in the past raising the prospect of further action should the regime continue to use chemical weapons against civilians. you said the nature of the these targets were specifically designed to target the regime chemical weapons capability. it was the foecus of the strike. the targets were selected by dunford. the targets were selected to avoid civilian casualties and avoid killing foreign forces specifically russian. there was concern matty telling congress on thursday that he was concerned about this escalating. and looking to avoid escalation.
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by killing russian troops. they were communicating with the russians about deconflicting air space. but didn't tell the russians specifically what targets will be hit. again very tailor focussed on the chemical weapons program. and the strikes centered on that. not a wider campaign against the syrian regime or wider part of the civilian. >> thank you. cnn sam kylie live in moscow. sam, russia is saying that the strikes from the u.s., uk and france didn't enter their zone of responsibility. is there any other reaction out of russia? >> there is. it's somewhat muted and somewhat predictable given the scale of the attacks. the scale indicated of what the attacks were potentially looking like when they were first telegraphed by donald trump. in the beginning of the week. it was an impression left they
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would be widespread and certainly in the view of general mattis could have led to dangerous escalation. they have been very tightly focussed. as a consequence the russians have been angered. the ambassador to the united states said that we warn that such action will not be left without consequence. there's a bit of a threat in there. the foreign ministry spokeswoman usually a critic and out spoken said that one must be really exceptional to strike syria's capitol. when the country got a chance for a peaceful future. slightly unusual thing to say in a country with multiple civil wars and international wars upon it. non-the less, in both of these statements seeing a reaction we could have predicted and what will be interested is see once the kremlin gets involved whether they want to up the ante.
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they probably leave it at this. given the strikes while fairly spectacular were tightly limited. we heard had not even involved firing up the responses let alone a missile. from the russian air defense. that was going to be one of the most important friction points. >> russia has never admitted that the regime had chemical weapons on their own people. what's the stake in syria? >> their stake in syria is multi-layered. on the first level they have a strategic port. a position they have held many years. a major backer traditionally since the soviet days in terms of arms and training to the syria armed forces. and a much wider sense. this is often not fully appreciated in the west.
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and then the president of the united states indicated that there will be a sustained effort. frankly both gentlemen are coming at a resolution from a different perspective. both of them reserve the right based on discussion if the effects were not achieved the united states and allies the french and prettyish will go back and achieve the results. let me show you what happened today. we had the strikes in demas kus. that went after research and development capability. c 2 and intel. that's extremely important. those three capabilities which are essential to the development and sustainment of the program. that asad has. strikes tock place here in holmes. where there was storage of chemical capability. and some limited strikes up there. these locations were immediately targeted. and that's where the strikes went in today. but, over the course of the next
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12 hours or ten hours. assessments will take place and the termination will be made if the effects were achieved woer good to go. there maybe kmeconomic sanction. still the president reserves the right to go after the targets if the assessment is made that effects were not achieved on the initial strikes. >> general you mention before. when you look at military strikes you have a military attorney next to you. why is that? >> it's not just next to you the commander. when you're giving the guidance. it's with the planning staff. they're going to take a look at the connectic packages that go in the strike packages. what target are they going to hit. what kind of things are around the targets. what's the proportionality of the response. and what civilian casualties might occur. a lawyer does -- the lawyer
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doesn't make the decision. the commander makes the decision. the military lawyer the jag officer will give you advice. and you have the experts on your staff who are very well versed in the law of land warfare. the convention and the uniform code of military justice. they will tell you things like this is a good target. this one you have to be careful because there's some type of civilian facility and you'll kill a an amount of civilian. there will be clat roll damage and explosions. that's a consideration. because you don't want to be accuse of a war crime. >> the president essentially called his shot earlier in the week with a tweet. how much more difficult did that make this operation? did that give russia and syria time to move their equipment? >> yes. certainly. we saw that. we saw the syrians moving aircraft around. moving them to bases where there
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were an increase russian presence. if they can put the aircraft amongst a russian contingent. there would be less chance to be struck. we only struck two airfields. involved in the chemical attack. not only did it gif the syrians and the russians a chance to move things around, it boxed the president in. once he said he was going to do this he had to do something. we saw this drama play out. in washington. between the chairman of the joint chief and the secretary of defense. who i believe were counselling caution. and the president who was really more set on more connectic action. there was a lot of discussion that went on about just that. i think he was boxed in. and all this time to get the assets in place gave the russians and syrians chance to move everything around. so we don't know what was in the
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facilities that we hit tonight. >> back to the general marks. what military action is russia coordinated with syria. do they have active military personnel there now? >> they do. let me go to the map. what's important to realize this is what syria looks like today. in terms of control. this area right here that we see, that for the most part all of that was isis territory. over the course of the last year plus the united states the curds have really been able to reduce isis and essentially remove them from the battlefield. not entirely. there's been a tremendous effort to reduce the kal fate. this now is controlled by syrian forces. what russia has been able to do is assist with air power and advisers. assist with logistic support. distribution of capability. so this area that used to be
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isis has good news for us isis has been eliminated. bad news russian forces and asad forces now occupy this space. in syria. asad is reclaiming his country very slowly. still incredibly fractured. but there has been some advancements for us. in terms and progress in terms of ability to get rid of isis. asad remains in power. >> stay with me. much more on the breaking news. the air strikes tonight on syria chemical weapons program. ♪ ♪ (baby crying) ♪ ♪ don't juggle your home life and work life without it. ♪ ♪
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call today. breaking news. trump announcing precision strikes against syria chemical weapons capability. >> back with me. general marks how does the u.s. military relationship with turkey factor in. >> that's a great question. hovering over all of this is turkey. its involvement in nato. long standing very strong relationship. with nato and a tight relationship with the united states. that sadly has been eroding over the course of the last year.
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primarily because turkey has taken a far more independent view of its role. and has been moving in the direction of russia to include a recent military purchase agreement with russia. for the is 400 air defense capable. which we are seeing. we're talking about. and probably been used in this strike against syria. the concern that i have is that turkey has always provided an incredible bridge between our relationship with the rest of the nato partners and the troubled region in the world. it's been a counter balance to the former soviet union and russian. im not sure how that will go in terms of future arrangement. i think turkey wins based on what's taking place in syria. over the course of last 24 hours and what will happen going forward. >> you have served in turkey. tell us how the u.s. military
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relationship with them has evolved. >> as general said, it was quite a strong relationship during the cold war. we had the soviet union there we needed the turks badly. they straddle the only way the russians can get fl the black sea into the mediterranean. very important. over the last few years our relationship has suffered. primarily because of our support for the curds. and this all goes back to the fight against isis. the united states fts looking for someone to be boots on the ground. remember always the problem of any u.s. military operation in the region is who are going to be the boots on the ground. the american people no longer have a stomach to put american boots on the ground. so we're looking for a force to do that. the curds provided that. the syria democratic forces made up primarily of excellent curdish fighters. did that. now the turks have a real
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visceral problem with any kind of armed turkish presence. they believe it's a threat to the southern border. they make no distinction between the curds. they believe them all to be members of a radical terrorist organization. the united states does not believe that to be the case. we have armed, trained and led the curtish forces against isis. this caused a real rift. the turks have intervened in northern syria. our ground offensive against isis has come to a standstill. general pointed it out the areas of isis which have been reclaimed from isis. but that has come to a standstill because of the turks are involved in northern syria. curds are moving to defend their homes against the turks. this is a real political problem for the united states. and we'll have to thread this needle somehow. and get a better relationship with the turks. in the long run we need them to be in nato. we need them as a counter
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balance as a relationship between the united states and russia. continue to deteriorate. >> why in your opinion were mattis and dunford more cautious in the president. and national security adviser john bolten on this matter. >> a variety of reasons. first of all, because they have seen combat in this area. and they know that sometimes plans go awry. and second and third order effects that people who haven't seen combat don't consider when they're asking folks to bomb places. they consider the effects on the enemy and how the enemy is going to react. as i said earlier, that enemy in this case is not only the syrian regime. but the russians and the iranens. they're wild cards. secretary mattis when he was general mattis was part of the initial invasion forces in iraq. under in 2003. and he was part of the force
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that went in thinking he was there to get rid of weapons of mass destruction. which was an intelligence failure. and it's admitted. sometimes that happens. he wanted to ensure in fact the syrians used nerve agents. in douma. your conversation about turkey and the allies in the region. secretary mattis and dunford have good friendships with not only the turks but other militaries and governments. and chief of defenses in that particular region. and know the tenuousness of relation shils. the turkish government is one thing. the turkish military is quite another. and both spider and rick talking about lt curds. i spent a great deal of time in northern iraq. they are a magnificent fighting force but have various factions throughout the region.
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and i think both general dunford and secretary mattis know that they have to keep that alliance with the curds as well as maintain the capability with the turks as part of the nato force. very complex very complicated. that's only one small area of this entire big problem. >> i want to get this in. we'll go back to the questions. this new video of strike video. this is from turkish -- syrian state media. i'm not sure of the location. this is just into cnn. you can hear the background there. i don't know the exact location. there you go. general, listen. this is just in to cnn. no signs of proregime or russian retaliation. against u.s. and coalition troops in syria. at this time, proregime or
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russian forces are showing no signs of retaliation. following this strikes. according to to an official fighting isis in syria. approximately 2,000 u.s. troops inside syria. in the fight against isis. what say you to that? >> i need tell you between the time when the president indicated that there would be a strike and when the strike occurred last evening. the syrians probably did everything in their power to scatter their capabilities. and scatter as best they could their chemical storage capabilities and to put many of the capabilities intermingled with the russians. knowing the united states would not strike a target that would put russians at increase risk. we had the united states and the coalition partners had an obligation. to achieve certain results on the ground. but mitigating factor would be
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russian presence or location with syrian capability. so the syrians were scrambling to get to the russians. the russians didn't want any bit of that. i can guarantee they did their best parts to try to get away from that. they didn't want to get in the fight. immediately, upon the heels of this strike, and during the strike. you didn't see russian activity going against the united states. the british or french of the that was a calculated effort. we routinely go against, we always go against thinking enemies. they have cognitive efforts that are in many cases very, very precise. they understand what they want to try to achieve. this connectic engagement has unintended consequences and it will spin in directions that is difficult to predict. >> thank you gentlemen. we have also got major revelation about president trumps personal attorney. when we come back michael cohen under criminal investigation.
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bomb shell revelation tonight about president personal attorney the justice department saying michael cohen is under
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criminal investigation. in the investigation that has been going on for months. let's discuss now. cnn political commenters. hello. >> how are you. it's early. so tired. >> my glasses are so dirty. david, federal prosecutors now confirm the president personal attorney michael cohen is under criminal investigation. cohen the raid was a kin to a final blow. for trump and his anger is beyond what anyone can imagine. if he hasn't done anything, why is he so angry? >> the circle of the various investigations is tightening and closer and closer. around his inner circle. special prosecutor mueller was pinted last may. not quite a year ago. and things were a lot of threads were being pulled by his
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investigative team. now we have seen a series of indictments and guilty pleas. michael cohen his flunky and chief. has been is now under criminal investigation. as has been reported today. and so you have a situation where the president knows that whether or not he himself is ever charged with anything. or depending on what the results of this special counsel investigation, that dominos are really tipping all around him. and this is no longer just a distraction administration. this is really the central feature of his time in office. so far. >> i hate to hear you say that. am i the only -- does anyone feel sorry for michael cohen? >> no. >> i feel sorry for the guy. anyone's down fall. i don't take glee in that. >> i did not wish this process on my worst enemy. what he's going through. what his family is going through
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is unlike anything anyone can imagine. i was able to spend time with him if brooklyn during the presidential debate. with sanders and clinton. and he's an interesting human being to say the least. however, what we will figure out throughout the process is that not only has he commit td wire fraud. and committed mail fraud. committed crimes in violation of the federal election commission. but he has serious issues. and has information that maybe implicate the president of the yoits in various criminal activity. that's a big thing. what happened when he was raided is that now we're turning the page. now mueller has what he needed to get maybe donald trump to be excited or worried. >> this is worrisome. it's opaque. at least with the russia investigation with mueller, it's clear where they're headed with that. there's the obstruction bucket and the collusion. the president lawyer is probably
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have a good idea of what they have. who they have spoken to and so on. on the cohen piece, there's darkness here. we don't know. they have taken things out of the mans office and hotel. possible recordings. >> can i ask this -- you bring up a point. "new york times" reports this poses more of a threat to the president than the mueller investigation. do you agree with that? >> i agree it's scarier. because of what we don't know. it goes outside the bounds of presidency. what mueller is locking at in large park are things that happened since the president took office. or was running for president. this cohen business could fwo back for years. it could be a larger bucket of stuff. and again we don't know what it might or might not be. that to me if i were advising the president. that would concern me the most. flying through clouds without
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instrument. >> i think the stakes are higher with the russia investigation. at the end of the russia investigation, there maybe nothing. or there maybe something. or maybe something in between. there may not be a crime associated with the president of the united states. that's quite possible. that hasn't been demonstrated yet. that's much more important than what's going on with the president's alleged relationships with the various women. what michael cohen. >> it's not about the relationships. this is about a pattern of paying people off. and paying hush money. and according to, there's pay off after pay off. >> that's what i'm getting to. again. when you talk about russia, whatever we find out at the end of the special counsel those are matters of the utmost national security. at the highest level. i'm not dismissing what's going on with the investigation around cohen. around the pay offs. in fact what i was going to say
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is if anything, what it shows about this pattern is this was something that was so routine. if you believe the reporting. the various other reporting. that these pay offs were happening with multiple women at the same time. today in the wall street journal it was reported that the same pseudonyms. were used with this woman associated with elliot. as used in the stormy daniels contract. cohen is sitting there with a machine. ripping off these mbas. >> how old are you. >> i want to say one more thing. i don't -- this is serious. i'm not waiving it away. i don't think the stakes are as high when you talk about russian meddling. >> there's one point that i don't mean to scare viewers. i believe we're on the brink of a constitutional crisis.
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i think that because of the fact the president has extremely broad pardon power. we're getting to the edge of his circle. we're getting to his inner circle and his family and michael cohen. i wouldn't be surprised if even before any of them were charged, donald jr., even michael cohen or anyone else. trump pardoned them. and so you have something where the united states congress has to step up and do something. and hopefully mueller will come through with this investigation and do something. i belief we're on the brink of the constitutional crisis. i don't believe anybody can inhibit trump ob constrain him to do what's right. >> he can pardon at the state level. >> he cannot. >> only federal level. >> and he can pardon you before you commit a crime. >> isn't this state level? this is federal. it is a united states attorney. my point is we saw this with gerald ford. he pardoned nixon.
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for crimes over a five year period. even though he wasn't charged. you're going to going to see trumps wills move. >> first of all the pardon power is broad. it is constitutional. it's well within his right to do it. i do tend to agree it will be bad idea and a bad day for the country if we see mass firings at the department of justice. or mass pardons. >> you might see some of that. >> the point i want to make. it strikes me now that it appears the president's team according to to the reporting decided not to have him interview with mueller. now we're seeing the possibility that reports from mueller could be written and distributed to the department of justice. and possibly congress. over the next few weeks. so it's this cohen business plus the fact that mueller maybe writing reports. we're on the brink of an escalation of movement in this investigation. on two fronts. >> stick around. when we come back the political war between james comey and the
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president heating up. why the president went on a twitter rant about the former fbi director.
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comcast, building america's largest gig-speed network. james comey new book is full of explosive revelations and has trump rage tweeting at the former fbi director. what are you smiling at? >> rage tweeting. >> it's 2:00 in the morning. >> we're all rage tweeting. >> i get you in trouble. never rage tweet. >> first of all. can i just say that comey is not a sympathetic figure. i have all of this. >> you're mad. >> i'm still mad. he came out and violated protocol. eleven days before election. an portray himself as a sympathetic figure. no, i'm not buying the book. there are 200,000 presales.
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i get it. a large part of the reason donald trump is president of the united states, we can talk about the hillary clinton campaign and russia interference but it was the fact that comey violated department of justice standards and so no, he's not a victim or martyr. he is someone else out selling booksing. > can i disagree a little bit with bakari on this point? i agree he's not a martyr. he's grown-up. he knew what he was getting into. what he violated at the end of the election were department of justice guidelines. he didn't do anything illegal. >> that's what i said. >> i know. sometimes we talk about this as if something was done that he could not do. holder memo at the department of justice said not to talk about political activity 60 days beforehand. that was standard protocol. there was nothing illegal about him doing that. >> i get that wholeheartedly. the even handedness, when you go into court, they say if you come in with unclean hands, comey
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came in with unclean hands. the reason being because if you're going to say one candidate is under fbi investigation, you need to let the american public know the other candidate is under fbi investigation, as well. i mean, treat people equally out of the same spoon. >> will we ever get over the 2016 -- i've had this conversation before. >> i'm not going to buy his book. that's all i'm saying. >> i'm sure that will have a big effect on the sales he has. >> his wife and some random person to buy a book. that's all i want from comey. >> i'm going to take up for bakari. it was the beginning of flu season and he had unclean hands and that's not great. b, he writes in the book it's october. and he was influenced by the polling in the presidential campaign. law enforcement decisions were being influenced by the polling in. the presidential campaign. what his read on the election was. >> he thought she was going to win and didn't want to make her seem like.
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>> not only was he fbi director but he was chief pundit and he was wrong about his punditry. that is one of the core take-aways i had from the excerpts was the influence of polling on the chief law enforcement. >> let's step back and just, are you empathetic at all? can you imagine being under that sort of pressure with having loretta lynch saying not exactly recusing herself but saying she was going to let someone else handle the investigation and then you had to make the decision on your own and you've got this close race and the two people most unliked candidates in history going at it. is there any empathy for what the guy was dealing with? anybody? >> not empathy. you go back to july of 016. the fbi could have recommended charges against secretary clinton. i'm not saying they should have but they could have. their read on it was no charges. that was a break for clinton.
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yom disagree with what scott is saying. if comey is saying he let politics influence his thinking, that's a problem for his credibility. you have to take the good, the bad with comey. he could have charged clinton and we would never have gotten to october of 2016 when he brought it back up which possibly cost her the election at the 11th hour. >> you couldn't have charged anyone who didn't commit a crime. >> she was under investigation and said "the new york times" reporting she said she wasn't under investigation. >> she may have been reckless. she may have been negligent. hillary clinton did not commit a crime. can we just back up for one second right now? we're talking about a president of the united states that is under investigation for not only just being very flippant and very boorish in his behavior. he's not only under investigation for money laundering and fraud but collusion and treason. this is what the president of
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the united states is under investigation for. and we're back to talking about as bernie sanders said, these damn e-mails. >> he said she couldn't be president because there would be investigations and she would take us to war. >> well, it's friday the 13th. look what's happening. this is why i'm exhausted and you are, too. this week has been a week for all of all ages, for the ages. i can't even talk. look at the news out of washington, michael cohen was raided, trump considering firing rosenstein, ryan announced his retirement. no air strikes in syria. any of these would have been enough to sustain a week's worth of coverage in any other presidency. but there you go. we forgot scott pruitt. >> who? >> scott. >> that was weeks ago. which cabinet is that? >> what now? >> can i chime in since i'm here? can i chime in? i love to get scott and all my republican friends riled up.
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i always like to say, what happens if this was barack obama. come on. >> we were outraged over the fact that barack obama liked dijon mustard which is a sin. and wore etan suit. >> i like dijon too so whatever. >> uppity. and wore etan suit. now we're talking about legitimate high crimes, treason, scandals, frauds day in and day out. it's like drinking out of a fire hose. if barack obama would have done this, i mean, donald trump's bar is near our shoe laces. that is where his bar is. it's the irony of this goes back to the root of our country. so for me, i just sit. >> scott has a pained look on his face. >> i agree with bakari. >> he's right. the first week obama was in office, president bush's chief of staff andy card criticized him on tv because he didn't wear his suit jacket while he was sitting at the desk in the oval office. and now we've got a president who is tweeting insults day and
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night and republicans seem to be going with the flow on it. >> bakari is right. >> i agree we should be talking about barack obama this early in the morning because his failure in syria, his failure with russia on the chemical weapons is causing the air strikes and military intervention. >> you know what's crazy about this? >> donald trump's cleaning up his mess. >> i say barack obama failed on a few, just a couple of levels. one is historical black colleges and universities. the other is with syria. he should have done what we're doing tonight with a coordinated striking. > bad bakari, scary scott and what do we call david. >> handsome. >> i won't call you dumb. i'll say something david. i'm coming up with nicknames. >> dapper david. >> dandy something, no? >> doogie houser. >> oh, wow. >> thank you. thanks for staying up late. that's it for us tonight. our breaking news conch
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