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of the rush about-face. so talk about the judges ruling today. >> reporter: the judge gave every party a little bit of what they wanted without making a final ruling of those documents that received in the fbi raid of michael cohen's. the office is going to filter those documents and hand it over to cohen's attorney. how much is protected by attorney/client privilege and report back. they're allowed to sip through them and those that pertains to him. and also the u.s. attorney's office can go through the documents as well to figure out how much it is protected by attorney/client privilege and all the party is going to reconvene and that's when the judge is going to make the final ruling in this matter. >> talk about how it came about
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of cohen's lawyer were forced to name sean hannity was his client. >> that was dramatic in the courtroom. we know the judge asked michael cohen's attorney to give names of his client. we know trump and there was this unnamed person. it was not like sean hannity's name came out quickly. it was embarrassed for this person that his name should not be revealed and offer todd give a judge a letter that was sealed in order to keep his name confidential. they took a lot of concerns for sean hannity's name before the judge finally said you have to say the name in public and that's how his name came about. sean hannity only counted on michael cohen for legal advise but not a client of cohen.
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>> based on the judge heard decisions today and the ruling that she's going to make about whether or not or how all this information is going to be looked at. how will the investigation move forward? >> yeah, that's the thing. that's where there is a lot of a win for the cohen's attorney. the whole time the u.s. attorney's office have been saying these orders and motions and the attorneys have been filing, they have all been stalled tactics for this major criminal investigation. that's where cohen's attorney kind of had a little bit of an edge here. it is going to take a while for the u.s. attorney to sift through documents as well. throughout the entire time before the judge makes the full-tifinal ruling, the investigation cannot continue and cannot look at those seized documents from the fbi raid a week ago. it is going to stall it a bit, we'll have to see how it plays forward once they came back to court. >> thank you very much. along with jeffery toobin and
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carrie daryl. >> the documents that have been seized cannot go to take until it is figured out by the judge. the vitaminvestigations have be going on for months. they have been investigating cohen for months. they can continue to interview other witnesses or subpoenas of suspected bank documents and other materials. the only thing they cannot do in the immediate future is look at the take from the search. >> is this a tactic by cohen? >> one of the iron laws of criminal prosecution is the defense always want to lay in the prosecution and the prosecution always wants to move forward quickly. that is delay. it could be a fairly complicated process depending on how thousand documents there are.
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>> ten boxes, i think. >> if the judge ultimately and they may be a special master that's outside or appointed first. some of these documents are going to have to be rule d on b the judge. i could imagine this takes a few week in the context of a long investigati investigation, probably does not make that much of a difference but prosecutors always want to get doing fast. when you search some place in particular, that's a very dramatic to step. you want to get this stuff as quickly as possible. to the extent there is a delay involved, tlahat's a win for th cohen's team. >> carrie, do you see this as a win? >> there is a little bit of a delay, today's reporting is that his team is going to be able to look at some of the documents to do their review and be able to come back to the judge and try to get some documents taken out as covered by attorney/clooiien
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coverage and that's to him or his client and the most important one being the president. part of this question is going to come down to what his attorney/client relationships are and with respect to the sean hannity issue and particular it is really just unclear there is any kind of legal representation at all. hannity tweeted me that cohen never represented me in a matter. that indicates theres no attorney/client relationship. >> sorry, hannity also talked on the radio about his relationship with cohen. the way he describes it, we short of shoot the breeze sometimes. there has to be some sort of formal agreement. you have to be paid pro bono. >> and any conversations with the attorney where you are saying hey, i am thinking of buying a place in boca. >> or did you know anything of florida law?
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cocktail party conversations with attorneys are not attorn attorney/client privilege. there has to be some sort of prescriptions. it sounded like there is no attorney/client privilege. i don't know why cohen would mention it. >> sean hannity on his multiple descriptions certainly seemed to be it like that way. yet he said he did think it was confidential. >> yeah, it is fun to have it both ways because he does not want the nature of his conversation to be revealed but he wants to make it seem like he does not have much relationships to cohen because given the trouble that cohen is in is not a great association to have. >> going back to today, it is a largely a win for the government. the reason they did the search was they wanted to have the first crack at making a
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determination of what is privilege and what is not privilege. so when the judge today decided that this going to be a process and take some period of time and did not allow defense to say we want to first crack of what should be turned over and what should not be turned over, the government won. you want to make sure there is some independent party and special masters at some point or the attorney's office is going to make sure that nothing falls in the crack. that's the most important thing that i think for purposes of the proceedings today >> is there any chance, you are the representative of michael cohen, you can determine what's privilege or what's not. >> i don't think so. >> that was the initial request. >> the request was and the initial criticism with the government was you sure this issue is subpoenaed? >> from my perspective as a lawyer and someone running that office, the fact that the first request by the defense was, we want to have the first crack and we'll tell the government what in our mind is privilege and
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what is not shows you why the government wants to seek a search warrant in the first place. the person that's assessing that should be someone who's not the person being searched. >> part of what's getting lost in this is this is not the first time that a federal prosecutor or office or the southern district of new york have been involved or executing a search warrant against an attorney. it is not the most common thing in the world and this is a high profile case and there are procedures how this happen. normally there is a government privilege team in this case because if the judge decides in her discretion that there coushd be a special master of somebody protecting any kind of perception of bias then maybe she will go in that direction. it is not like it is the first time something like this ever happens and it is novel in courts of appea practice. >> obviously that's not a federal charge. a lot of people are saying the state can pick up the case if
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there is a case against cohen if it is bank fraud or wire fraud. are you confident of that? >> not a bit. the federal government has so much more power to prosecute, particularly if new york. the attorney general of new york barely prosecutes any criminal cases at all. the idea that this could totally be picked up by the eric sneiderman who's the attorney general is not because he's doing a bad job, it is just federal prosecutors have resources and laws that are not comparable to the state. >> depends on the crimes. we have no idea. a lot of things are over which local prosecutors have joint and concurrent jurisdiction, we have federal prosecuteoprosecutors. there could be a state crime that's chargeable or a state
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crime that's chargeable. i am not sure what kicrimes are being examined. the brief that my office put into court has sections redacted. it tells you the kind of in fractions they are looking at. >> you could read through those? >> well, i looked carefully and i could not read those. >> they gotten better of the black out stuff. >> does it surprise you that and jeff, did sean hannity any point, some 16 times that we have counted that michael cohen have been on his broadcast since donald trump announced -- oh, by the way, i consult with this person. >> by the way, he represents me as well. >> no. >> he does not represent me. >> what makes it peculiar and hannity was not being honest, what he described was the relationship was not an attorney/client relationship. if he was really and being
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represented by michael cohen as a matter of journalist ethics, he should have reported it. well, he's sort of friendly with me and we are all friendly with some people we cover. that i am not sure has to be disclosed. if he did actually represent him as a lawyer, of course, that should have been. >> but in a fraud high stakes, big deal proceedings that occurred today in court when there is a weekend to think about it and the judge wanted to know who michael cohen's clients were and he only had three. the representative from cohen certainly thought he had to name sean hannity as a client so there is a disconnect. >> thank you very much. >> just ahead more on hannity's reaction today and james comey says the president is morally unfit for office. republicans reaction to that, the bomb shell interview is coming up.
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i have no personal interest in this proceeding and in fact asked that my de minimis discussions with cohen. >> a lot to talk about. >> did you understand why michael cohen teed up this mystery conversation with hannity. >> cohen and his team filed, made a filing where they suggested that it was very, very important that one of their legal clients not be disclosed. that suggested they have some conversations with that client and doing it on behalf of that client and then we have this big dramatic unveiling at the judge's insistant in the court today. >> although hannity assumed it
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was confidential. >> you just read that he suggested that he did not tellitel tell cohen to do any of this or make this request in the proceeding. someone must have asked cohen. if you read the original findings, they made this request that this client had to stay private. >> does fox news see this as a problem at all? >> fox news does see this as a problem. they don't have anieswers. i have been asking the past 24 hours, does hannity's bosses know anything about this or will there be any disciplinary action and fox is not saying anything. >> cohen has been on his program at least as much as -- 16 times that we found since president trump announced that he was. >> right sometimes of campaigns and things like thatme. another thing we can judge hannity based on 101 -- he goes
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back and forth and tries to have it both ways. he's an entertainer. maybe now we have a little better understand of why. maybe his faith is linked to cohen as we knew or to president trump as we knew. is hannity's name in these documents that the government seized? >> or the cohen's recorded conversations and we don't know the details. >> today helped us understand how deeply linked the pro-trump media world is. not only hannity is calling the president to give advise at mar-a-lago or hannity attacking trump's enemies. >> i talked to hannity the other day about one of the stories he did of the mueller crime. he says these are my ideas and i come up with it and i rarely talk to trump. following up to what's going on today, with regards to michael
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cohen, i don't deal with him often. we have talked to legal matters pertaining to real estate and pay hush money for women and he says no legal documents have been signed or money have been exchanged. with that being said, he assumed there is attorney/client privilege, i don't see it applying here. with that as much as i think a lot of sean -- he should have disclose thd this on his progra and radio. he's very pro-trump and defensive of cohen. >> he should have disclosed it. >> his brand is trump and trump's team that's why cohen is on his shoulders so much. this looks like it may have been blindsided a little bit. last thing he tweeted out --he's using terminology in there and he wants to be solid and his name is the random third client. we are close and that's my brand and now he talked to his lawyer,
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wait a minute, i don't want to go down this path. >> it does not seem like a good direction to go here. either he's using cohen for the reason of president trump was which was really bad or having conversations that he does not want throughout and any understanding is cohen used to regularly record conversations with journalist, i would call him a journalist. he pretends to be one on tv. the other thing that's remarkable of all of this is trump has the mightest touch but it is for legal problems, his campaign is a mess and the right wing media is getting pulled into this. my question is who's not pulled into these legal problems. >> are hannity and his kids are going to be proud of the way he handle this moment? every night attacking mueller and comey and the cohen raid and
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new york. is he going to be proud of this attempt to tear down our institutions in america? >> i have to wonder if he's going to look back. >> go ahead. >> yes, he'll be. he represents it. >> that's disappointing. >> he's representing a group of americans that believes we are in cultural fight. there is a group of people on the left that believes the justice institution is under attack and there is a group on the right believes that the president is under attack and a corrupt department of justice, that's where we are splitting into. >> there is a voice for that group of americans every single night on television, that's who he's representing. >> how much does he believe what he says? >> 100%. >> he's feeding a lot of people? he believes it is 100% and as mike says there is a large swap
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of his listeners and trump's soloi voters and trump's base that believes this as well. the big concern is this mueller probe and how expansive it is, they want to reign it in. it started one thing and now we are talking about women and paying off hush money to women. the problem is it is up to him or trump or rosenstein, it is up to mueller. >> trump is a law and order candidate and hannity is telling me a lot of things. what does fox news believe? a younger generation has taken over and you were saying standards. there is supposed to be journalist standards in place. if i were fox news right now and golly somebody here may have broken the rules and what do we do about it. the question is is it more important with them to maintain
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credibility of the 35% of the american electric that watches them and basically pays their bills or does it matter to them to hold the journalist standards. this is really interesting to fox news. >> this information is what's supporting the president at all costs. they're supporting the president. >> all right, we'll take a quick break. james comey says the president is unfit for office and the president called the fbi director a slime ball. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything
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mob boss. >> maybe this was not his intention but it was what i felt. making us apart of the message and the boss is ahead of the table and we are afiguring out together to do this. how strange is it for you to sit here and compare the president to a mob boss? >> very strange. >> i don't do it likely and i am not trying to by the way suggest that president trump is outbr k outbreaking legs. that leadership culture constantly comes back to me when i think of my experience with the trump administrations. the interview got the attention of many on capitol hill. i spoke to jim jordan. member of the district. >> is he wrong? >> i don't think james comey has
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much credibility, anderson. i thought he was wrong on july 5th when he did his press conference, i thought he was wrong when he reopened the case. i thought he was wrong throughout the investigation. i said so both times. when i said so in october, i took a lot of heat from my republican leagcolleagues. i thought he screw this thing up from the get-go and i don't think he has a lot of creditability. > president is referring to james comey as a "slime ball." are you concern that this could damage the public confidence in the institution of the fbi? >> the fbi is confidence damaged because of james comey and mccabe. james comey was fired and mccabe was fired for lying four times. deputy counter intelligence was demoted. these are some of the top people at the fbi.
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>> they were demoted and reassigned by mueller himself. >> we have seen the text messages, just don't show biassed but showing -- if anyone destroying the credibility at the top is those people. americans have the highest confidence in those folks. >> you don't think the president calling these people as low lives and referring to them as thieves. >> how about the report came out on andrew mccabe. here is what he did. >> do you think the president is showing anemist? >> i think he's pointing out the fact that these five people have been demoted or reassigned or fired. that's pretty telling. >> i want to play something that comey said in his interview about the president. >> i don't think he's medically unfit to be president. i think he's morally unfit to be president. >> the person who sees moral
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equivalence in charlottesville and who lies and insisting for the american people to believe it. that person is not fit on moral grounds. >> did you agree with him? >> i think the american people spoke loudly on election day and they made president trump the president of the united states. >> we did good things for this country, tax cuts and gorsuch, i think a lot of good things happened in 2017. >> do you think the president lies a lot? >> excuse me, anderson? >> do you think the president lies a lot? >> i think james comey leaked information through the new york times for the state to get the special counsel. i think james comey took over the investigation and never happened before. it has always been the attorney general who announced the findings. i think james comey said earlier -- >> it is gone because how he
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handled the clinton investigation and how he started the trump administration >> you got to admit this president has said things that are not true time and time again and this is a very long one and almost on a daily basis. >> i think mccabe said things that are not true. >> does it make it right? >> he was fired because of that. >> you are bold on calling mccabe not and not so bold on t president of the united states. >> it was not me calling on mccabe but his colleagues. >> you have not heard the president lie. >> he's been square with me. that's for darn sure. >> what about the american people? >> the american people elected him to be president of the united states. >> have you heard him lie? >> i have not. the american people feel like what the treatment he's receiving from the top peop people -- >> a, i don't think you can talk about all the american people. have you heard the president lie? >> i have not. >> really? >> the washington post counts
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hundreds and hundreds of times, none of those are believable to you. >> i have not seen what the washington post reported. you are asking me if the president said anything to you. >> i am asking you. >> nothing comes to mind. my guess is anderson, you may have said something that's not 100% accurate. >> if i have, i apologize and i try to correct it. >> have you heard the president apologize and correct something? >> i don't know if he said something wrong that he's apologizing for. nothing comes to mind right now. if i would do something like that -- i would deal with it. >> i don't know if the president have. >> let me ask you in terms of what's going to happen next obviously with ryan leaving, are you interested in becoming speaker? >> look, i said this last week, paul ryan is the speaker and he's going to continue to be the speaker for the remainder of this congress.
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if and when there is a speaker race, i have colleagues encouraged me to look at it. the big focus is much more important on who the speaker is next year and what the republicans do this year. we won't be in the majority. let's get focused on what we are doing and what they sent us here to do and what they told us to do. >> you are that concerned about the midterms? >> i am concerned of the midterms, yes. >> if we don't do what we are sent to do and deal with border security board and make the tax cuts permanent. the policies that we are elected to do, if we don't get focused on that, then we can have some problems. >> congressman jordan, i appreciate your time. >> you bet, anderson, take care. >> up next, comey's explanation on the hillary clinton's e-mail investigation reaction from someone who had a lot to lose. hillary clinton's campaign manager.
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boo book, you may recall in 2016. comey told congress the fbi was viewing more of clinton's e-mails. comey was asked of his motivation for revealing that to congress. >> was the decision to reveal influenced by your assumption that hillary clinton was going to win and your concern that she wins and this comes out several weeks later and that's taken by her that she's an illegimit. >> i am sure it was a factor. it had to have been. she's going to be elected president and if i hide this from the american people, she will be -- >> back now with our panel, i am going to start out with you.
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when hear that, what did you think. this shows out political he was and he's thinking of poll numbers and thinking oh she's going to be president. >> i am glad he's talking about it because we cannot go back in time and change what happens. from my perspective, what matters the most is thinking of the future and what we can do to make things better moving forward. i think what he did in the election was totally inappropriate and contrary to protocol and you can say they're legal implications of some of what he did and it should not happen again. by him admitting that he believed she was likely to win and probably influenced. i hope that helps us moving forward. >> it is interesting watching him just now and you know talk about president trump and watching jim jordan there saying how critical he was of comey, i am just kind of wondering where were all these guys back in the election? if it was so wrong for comey to do what he did to hillary, why didn't he say that?
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>> if comey was so worried of trump, why didn't he present both investigations to the american people. >> we cannot go back. i think it is important to have a mature discussion. james comey, i am clad he's going out and saying what he saw and speaking the truth that he saw of who donald trump really is. but i also -- we spent some time thinking of the future. >> it was completely wrong for him to come out this close in the election to do this and violation of protocol for him to do so. with that being said, i don't think it would change the outcome of the election. >> we don't know. >> you have to consider donald trump was also dealing with the "access hollywood" tape at the same time. >> and wikileaks on the same day. >> he had major road bumps to deal with. i can see where hillary and a lot of democrats would like to take this as comey admitting he messed up and he screwed up and this was a large part of why she didn't win the election.
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she didn't win because she did not connect with people and donald trump connected with people and worked harder. >> i think james comey did a huge disservice to the fbi and i think it is really serious. there are a group of americans who believe there maybe correction and you have andrew mccabe getting thrown out because the inspector general found out that he lied. there are a group of americans that start to question the justice department and career people. now we have the formal head of the fbi in a cookie sort of way says he reads polls and pays attention to people skin color and tone and how long their ties are. he pays attention to political things. that's not what we want to see in our law enforcement and media. he's taking the same bait that some people the immediate do
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which is they want to engage on this sort of prove themselves as opposed to being fair. most of the fbi people, most of the fbi agents in the country are fair. this is doing them a huge disservice because it is proving what some people may think of the fbi in the era of trump which is they are out to get them and don't agree what happened. we got to fix it in some way that we can. i did not realize fbi leaders could be like this. >> i disagree in all three of you. >> harming the moral these days is president trump and not james comey. if you talk to current ones that are anonymous -- as a whole lliu look at the polling, the single most important event that tipped the ballot to trump was the action that comey took.
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if you look at 538 which is good on polling. a lot of events don't have a big effect, that claim had a big effect. i disagree that comey should not have done it. your best argument is that if comey was going to reveal this new investigation matter with hillary clinton, he should reveal where the fbi was doing with respect to the trump campaign. >> that's to me. >> look, the public had the right to know that one of the candidates in the race was being investigated by the fbi. as a voter, i think everyone would want to know that. what was improper of my view is we were told by the new york times and others that the fbi was not looking into trump and comey did not correct that. that's to me is something that unforgivab unforgivable. as a journalist and citizen voting on these two candidates. we should know about that before we go to the polls. >> we'll never know.
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we are never going to know what the actual effect is. i saw the polling. i don't want to get bogged down in that because it gets us back to 2016. to your point, i think all or nothing. talk about them both or don't talk about it at all. to me, when we start to put the fbi in a position where if they are looking into something and they have to reveal that. you know, the fbi -- it is like they become a super pac in the race. you can tank someone's race. that's a power to mike's point, they should not be entitled to. >> republicans were mad at comey because he essentially exonerated hillary clinton early that year. you had loretta lynch meeting with bill clinton and you had all these things going on surrounding the campaign. i don't believe james comey won donald trump the election.
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there are other decisions in play, he won the election fair and square but i do believe that it is dangerous for law enforcement and it is almost like during elections, they need to take a step back. don't get involved. that's the problem with this. you saw the interview he gave, not only he was involved and he was reading polls and watch what's going on and helping my decision making. it plays into a narrative that people are defending the president and watching the president and is out to get him. >> i want to thank everybody. the new sanctions are on the way. it is going to be announced today. the white house says not so fast. republican charlie dan weighs in as well, next. can prevent paint from delivering the color you want. so we got rid of them, and that made our paint color more durable, more fade resistant, and truer. it's a simpler paint formula, thanks to our exclusive gennex color technology.
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she said the united states would be announcing new sanctions against russia. today, take a look at what she said. >> so you will see that russian sanctions will be coming down, secretary mnuchin will be announcing those on monday, if he hasn't already. and they will go directly to any sort of companies that were dealing with equipment related to assad and chemical weapons use. and so i think everyone is going to feel it at this point. i think everyone knows that we sent a strong message and our hope is that they listen to it. >> "the washington post" is reporting that president trump is the one who put the brakes on additional economic sanctions on russia. when he asked white house deputy press secretary hogan gidley on that tonight. he didn't comment on deliberations, but he did say that the administration is looking at potentially more sanctions. earlier tonight, i spoke about the conflicting message on sanctions with republican congressman, charlie dent. >> congressman dent, how does something like this happen? you have nikki haley saying one thing yesterday, the president putting the brakes on it. does it make sense to you how
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the administration seems to be out of step of something of this kind of consequence? >> we've seen this before, anderson. where the president's staff has said one thing and the president has later contradicted them. on russian sanctions, that's the latest. we're dealing with a president who can be rather mercurial and erratic at times. >> what kind of a message do you think it sends domestically? do you worry at all what kind of message this sends to russia? >> well, yes. i mean, the issue i've noticed with the russians is that so many people in the administration, when it was mattis, mcmaster, and tillerson, had a more traditional, conventional view towards russia and recognized it as a threat, not a benign actor, that they were trying to undermine our power and influence anywhere they could in the world, and the president always had seemingly conciliatory, relatively kind comments about vladimir putin, which he was always bewildering to me, at the same time while in some respects pi respects, pick. this has been a never-ending
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issue for us. and again, the president seems to contradict his staff on a number of issues, especially on russia. >> as you said, the president does seem very reticent to criticize vladimir putin and has, you know, really when he launched the attack against syria the other day, was the first time he sort of directly said to russia, essentially, the toughest words he said, which was, which sort of a nation do you want to be, what kind of people do you want to associate with? but that's kind of been it. >> i guess what i guess is most troubling of all is that this rules-based order that the united states and our allies worked so hard to build after the second world war and doubled down after the end of the cold war is something i think is a crowning american achievement. and that our country has benefited by it. in many respects, the president talks about as if this united states has not benefited by this order that we have led. and countries like russia, iran, and north korea, of course want to undermine that order. and that's why i find this all so troubling. and i guess it's perhaps my greatest policy objection to president trump, is that his unwillingness to stand up and robustly defend constitutions
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like nato, the eu, the wto, ors that we spilled a lot of blood for. and our partners, some of whom are mortal enemies at one time, are now some of our best friends, in germany and japan. and i just -- i guess that's what's so troubling. i get it that people on the outside want to take down this order, but i can't understand why the president would want to undermine it from within. >> in regards to the russian investigation, you introduced legislation on a friday that's written to protect special counsel mueller from being fired. it mirrors the bill introduced by the senate. why did you think it necessary to take that step and how much support do you actually have from fellow republicans on this? >> well, starting to get some republican cosponsors for the bill. it's a companion measure by the unintroduced by the senate, by senators tillis coombs, graham, and booker. it's the same bill. it's important, we're helping the president here by telling him not to fire mueller. we're helping him -- preventing him from hopefully taking a
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self-destruct i haive act. and it would be terrible for the republican party and our chances in the midterm elections. the most important reason why we should do this is it's good for the country to pass legislation like this. i don't expect the president to sign a bill into law if we were to send it to him, but hope it would send a message that firing mueller would set off a political crisis the likes of which we haven't seen since watergate, since the saturday night massacre, since that archibald cox moment, we don't need to go there again. >> congressman dent, appreciate your time. >> thank you, anderson. always good to be with you.
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we have time to hand it over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts right now. see you tomorrow. >> this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. you know you've got a blockbuster day in court when the porn star who says she slept with the president isn't the biggest news of the day. no, the biggest revelation was one that pretty much nobody saw coming. michael cohen's attorney was forced to reveal the name of his mystery third client and boy was it a bombshell. it's sean hannity. yes, sean hannity. who had asked
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