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the plane and checked on the other passengers and the woman who posted this photo called her a true american hero. as for the young man we interviewed for the piece said i would pay extra for her being my pilot. >> it was like a walk in the park for her. >> and you hear it in her voice. >> thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for joining us, new comments from the president when asked is he going to fire mueller or rod rosenstein. now this is how his answer began. >> there was no collusion. and that has been so found as you know by the house intelligence committee. >> so that is how he began and
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went on. now koe keeping them honest. with the republican saying there was no collusion but the democrats said there is more to do. as for the president's response, the actual question about firing mueller and rosenstein, here is what he says. >> they have been saying i am going to get rid of them for the last three months, four months, five months, and they are still here. so we want to get the investigation over with, done with, put it behind us. >> well it is true that mueller and rosenstein are still there but that doesn't answer whether or not he has concluded on
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firing them. as former fbi director james comey continued media interviews, the president was doing writing himself, or rewriting why he the president put the former in former fbi director. the president tweeted slippery james comey the worst fbi in history was not fired because of the phony russian investigation, whereby the way there was no collusion except by the dems. a totally different version of the events from which the president has previously said. keeping them honest, now when i say we know it, we know it as much as we can know anything the president says. we know he said it. whether it is true, that is an entirely different story. about you we know he said it.
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we know he said it because there was a camera there pointing right at him. >> regardless of recommendation i was going to fire comey. when i decided to just do t i said to myself, i said, you know, this russian thing with trump and russia is a made up story, an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election that they should have won. >> attributing his decision to the russia investigation. if there were anyone else involved some other administration official saying something contradictory to the president, we would say it was a messaging problem. this is the president directly contradicting himself, it is like the left hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, or the left hand is lying. truth and consistency be damned.
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it also wasn't just what he said to lester holt, he also made it clear why when he met with russian officials in the oval office. saying quote, i say great pressure, because of russia that is taken off. no american reporters were allowed in the meeting, even these photos came from a russian news agency. keeping them honest it comes down to what you believe. do you believe what the president said on national television at the time. or what he tweeted this morning. on the view today, comey was asked why he thinks he was fired. >> i don't know. i took him at his word when he told that to lester holt then i read he also said it privately to the russians, i took him at his words. today's tweet which i have seen, both of those things can't be
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true. that illustrates part of the problem that i am trying to bring up, it matters that the president is not committed to the truth. so i don't know what to make of it. >> the danger at taking him at his word. or prone to rewriting. joining me now is new york times correspond matthew rosenberg. the idea that he would just revise that reasoning now, is the rest of us don't remember it seems incredible. >> there is a lot about the trump presidency that seems incredible. and not even two years into the thing here. what we are seeing here, is this unusual friendliness toward russia. and we are still seeing it.
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we saw it in the refusal to implement the latest round of sanctions. there is relationship here that we don't fully understand or isn't fully explainable. and comey seems to be caught up in the wrong side of that. >> it was from your reporting and others from the no"new york times." and echoed what he said in that interview. >> he told the russian ambassador and russian foreign minister, he called comey a nut job. i don't think the president ever imagined that these comments would be out to the american public. he shared sensitive classified intelligence with the russians in the room. saying i didn't fire comey, he
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points to hillary investigation and other issues but when he is in a private moment or lashes out, it is i fired comey because of the russia investigation. i didn't want it. and firing him released the pressure. it didn't in the end because we have robert mueller. >> what is interesting about his russia comments back then, it contradicted the day comey was fired and a lot of white house folks were pushed out in front of cameras in order to say he was fired because basically the way he treated hillary clinton. that was the initial narrative that perp pushing and the president reversed that in that interview and also what he had said to the russians and i interviewed a white house official i think two nights ago who said a whole new reason which i never heard someone from the white house saying and maybe i missed it. but he was saying on the air the reason comey was fired because
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comey leaked information which seemed a whole new reason which suddenly they popped up. >> this white house is not great at staying on message. what we saw that first night when comey was fired is that they had agreed on what the message was and there were a number of officials and a lot of people were involved in making that decision and shaping how that was going to be presented. and he says what is on his mind. what was on his mind was the russia investigation. >> it has been nearly a year since he went on record on this. do you have any reason why he went on record about this again. he can't help minneapolhimself >> the continuing russia investigation itself. comey out there questions his honesty and he says i am no tt going to take that. i am going to fight back.
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and when he is being called out as he sees it, he is going to respond. >> thank you very much. joining me now is allen der s dershowitz and jeffrey toobin. >> it was about days after it happened. shouldn't he stick to one story? >> he should stick to no stories. he shouldn't say anything about it. but obvious that the efficieort to end the russia investigation. it is not okay. i think it is not illegal. it is not a crime because the president does have the authority to tell the attorney general i want you to investigate this but not that. i don't want you to investigate that. that should change. that is not okay.
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but it is not illegal today under the law >> it sure is. this is a fundamental disagreement that allen and i have. all of those examples of setting investigative priorities. if the president fires the fbi director to stop him from investigating the president himself, that is a corrupt motive. that is the definition of obstruction of justice. >> you are saying the intent matters. >> that is the whole story. >> that is the point. you have to have an illegal act and you can't have an illegal act when the president acts within his constitutional authority. you can't have an act that is both constitutional authorized under article one, article two and at the same time is critical. and you must have an actus reus. it would, to start questioning
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why he fired. he can't question him. just like you can't question a senator for his vote on the senate floor. >> there are laws full of examples of acts that are otherwise legal. >> not by presidents. >> but made illegal by the intent. insider trading being a perfect example. but, you have said this, that the president has unfetterred ability to act. about you what is the authority for this? this unitary theory? >> take for example insider trading, the act is trading, having information that you obtained improperly and illegally. so that is the act. but i know of no case, they purposely did not impeach clinton, nixon, or try to impeach bush. all of them engaged in acts
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particularly bush with an alleged corrupt motive. >> on his last day in office. >> that was the conclusion done by the special prosecutor and nobody suggested, no historian, no lawyer that president bush committed a crime to stop on investigation of himself. >> i want to move to another legal matter which is the michael cohen situation that the president and michael cohen, there are teams that are going to be able to review some of these documents. how difficult is it for the defense to prevent at least a good part of these documents from actually being used by the fbi? >> it is going to be impossible and it should be impossible. because attorney/client privilege is a narrow privilege and applies only to certain communications when there is actually an attorney/client relationship and the judge is
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setting up a sensible system. most of these documents will not be excluded. >> you recall that i made that suggestion on this show and jeffrey said it was a terrible idea. >> saying it was unnecessary. >> and now suddenly it is a good idea. you are going to have a judge or somebody assigned by the judge to look through the papers. if there is nothing that is lawyer client privilege here. if they find communications between the lawyer and the client that is legitimate, no fbi should get to see that and leak it. thank you very much. new reporting that the president has been warned that michael cohen will turn against him if he is facing charges. and the president claiming in a tweet that the california
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more breaking news this from the "wall street journal" reporting one of the long time
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legal advisers warning the president that he would flip on him. can you explain who this adviser, to the president is, and what he is advising the president. >> jay goldberg is a seasoned attorney, a criminal defense lawyer and prosecutor. and worked with donald trump for many years. he started in the '90s and the 2,0 2000s. he told president trump if a call friday morning that if michael cohen were charged, well he basically says you know, mob guys when they are faced with prison time, they flip. and anybody who is facing that situation is going to flip. michael cohen is not a hardened mafioso. and if he is going to be
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charged, he will likely turn on the president. >> what reason is goldberg using to back up his claim. he says cohen is a one on a to 100 on a scale. >> saying cohen is a family man and primarily being a lawyer and a business man. not clearly the kind of career criminal that goldberg has witnessed in his lifetime and he is essentially saying, a guy like this from what i have seen is almost certainly going to flip. >> it sort of backs up what michael avenatti has been saying that michael cohen talks a big game. i think at one point he said he would take a bullet for donald trump and do anything for him.
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and the bigger that somebody talks, the harder he will fall. and was the president receptive? >> president trump said michael is very strong and he has confidence in him and cohen as you said has been tweeting, i'm never going to abandon the president. but and he, well, it has been reported that he called michael cohen the same day as he spoke to jay goldberg on friday. not clear of the timing. he did speak to goldberg in the morning bu morning, but he did thank him and give a lot of feedback saying meichael is a strong guy >> it is important to point out that goldberg is confirming this on the record. i know my colleague gloria borger also talked to him.
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>> i mean, he doesn't have any acrimony with him. and i think his motivation is to perhaps publicly warn the president. we spoke with him this morning at his apartment and he probably wants to make sure that what he is saying is heard loud and clear. if michael cohen calls you and tries to visit you, make sure he is not wearing a recording device. >> thanks very much. fascinating reporting from you to want. joining us tonigh are gloria borger, white house correspondent julia her sh fed davis. >> let me give you a little context. jay goldberg negotiated both of
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donald trump's divorces. and the president does call him from time to time and last friday morning he was surprised to get this phone call from the president and he just flat out went out of his way to say look, i know you are close with michael cohen, but let me tell you something, this guy is going to end up cooperating with the prosecutors because he said, anybody who is facing 30 years never stands up. without exception a person facing a prison term cooperates. and also warned him that he might be wearing a wire. and said to the president do not speak to the special counsel, they can jam you up even if you are telling the truth. so the president has, you know, a long standing relationship with jay goldberg who i believe is in his mid-80s.
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and when i asked him, what did the president say to you, he said he was quiet and that there really wasn't much of a response at all. >> the idea of michael cohen possibly wearing a wire when talking to the president, is stunning. he did go to have dinner, i think it was at ma. is it to just be careful and watch what you say? >> i think you know, if it were up to goldberg, the president would not have conversations with michael cohen and goldberg knows michael cohen a little bit. and made the case to me he has nothing against michael cohen. but the president has always been his client. donald trump has always been his client and he also recommended a lawyer that he thought perhaps
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should join the president's legal team. he wouldn't tell me who that was. but it is from a large firm. and i think that he, it is interesting to me, quite honestly, that the president is reaching back to speak with a lawyer that he has known for decades and decades to try and feel him out on this because he clearly has a comfort level with jay goldberg. >> michael cohen has positioned himself as i was saying a second go, is the most loyal, he would take a bullet, how surprising that one of the president's allies is publicly advising him, be wary because everybody flips. >> yeah. i i am gr i am glad you raise the dinner. so far, we haven't seen any cracks. michael cohen is saying i will
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jump off a building for him and donald trump is inviting him and having dinner with him in public view. obviously that was before the raids while the swirls of stormy daniels and all the questions around him, you are looking to see are there going to be cracks and now you have an old colleague lawyer confidante for decades call him up and try to chisel. >> julie, the idea of michael cohen wearing a wire in the presence of the president, is that possible? >> i highly doubt it. i think the advice that this old friend of president trump was trying to get across is you don't know what he is going to do if faced with real jeopardy
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and prison threat. he is calling somebody who he has had a relationship with for many years and this speaks to how really nervous the president is and in some ways feels that he hasn't been well served by his team of lawyers both in the white house and outside. in all of these matters, the mueller investigation, the potential that the cohen raid has opened doors and legal complications. he feels that he is not being protected and we know this president feels he always wants to be insulated. and the problem is there is no way to do that. so many avenues that this raid has opened for him and worried about the consequences. >> the elephant in the room is the possibility of pardon. the scooter libby pardon. and the question is whether the
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president is willing to risk the blow back if he were to pardon. >> i asked jay goldberg about whether the questions of pardons came up and he sort of changed the subject. and it seemed to me that it didn't come up in this particular conversation. i think what you had was an old friend who did trump's divorces in which i might add trump did very well. has been in touch with him. and is friends with his wife also. i was told he called the president, called and talked to his wife. and talked to her. she said you are doing great. puts jay on the phone and they have this conversation and i think to julie's point, the president wants to hear from people he feels that, they have
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his best interest at heart because he has known them for decades. >> and i was going to say, he thinks michael cohen is one of those people. >> he does. >> that is a role that michael cohen has played. and that is why the level of concern is high for the president. michael cohen isn't just close, michael cohen in his entire relationship is in charge of the weak spots of donald trump. that is what the role of the fixer has been. and that is why the level of concern gets ratcheted it up. >> and he is so loyal. and i believe the president may have said that to jay goldberg in one way or another. but you know, he was generally quiet in listening to this advice. but i think it must be hard for the president to hear that to be honest. >> julie, if michael cohen does flip, if that circumstance arises, it wouldn't just be the
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president who potentially michael cohen has information about. michael cohen has been at the epi center of an awful lot of conversations and deals and hush agreements and who knows what else and what other activities that he might be able to point a finger to other people about. >> that is true and we learned a little bit about who is on his client list at the hearing. the point is that the president and his legal team and cohen and his legal team don't know exactly what the prosecutors now have. and that was part of what was behind this dispute in court the other day. they need to know what the prosecutors are working with before they know how to respond. it sounds like from gloria's reporting is that they are trying to devise a strategy.
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>> do we know who kept michael cohen from working in the white house? >> i presume the president did and the president's family did. i have been told by a source close to michael cohen that michael didn't want to go in the white house. that he felt he could serve the president better by remaining outside the white house. but then i have been told by other people of course he wanted to go serve in the whouite hous. he is a political person. he is a democrat by the way that he did want to go in. you hear it both ways but the decision was made that it wouldn't be the best thing for the president. >> thank you everybody. reiterating his claims several times that no one has been tougher on russia. here what he is saying about new russian sanctions after war of
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more breaking news, the president's news conference, the president saying new sanctions will be placed on russia when the time is right. also saying this. >> there has been nobody tougher on russia than president donald trump. between creating vast amounts of oil. we raised billions and billions of dollar extra in nato. nobody tougher than me. with the media, no matter what i
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did, it was never tough enough because that is their narrative. but russia will tell you nobody tougher than donald trump. >> this comes after senior administration officials were told there will be no more sanctions on russia. after nikki haley saying there would be an announcement. let's get the latest from jim acosta. there would be additional sanctions -- jim sciutto, i'm sorry. >> no worries. >> probably announced on sunday or monday by steve mnuchin. the white house seemed to reverse that. do you know what happened? >> the trump administration gave a clearer signal to russia than it did to the president's own ambassador of the united nations with this message now confirmed by the white house saying they
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told them there would be no sanctions. early on this weekend, the explanation from the white house was that nikki haley had gone ahead of the policy process in announcing the sanctions. but in fact that doesn't look to be the case. the president changed his mind. remember, that is the function of these sanctions. when he changed his mind that message was not delivered clearly at all. to make that pledge. it is an embarrassing to say the least miscommunication. and also frankly misleading explanations to the white house. when it was in fact the president changed his mind. >> you believe this fits a pattern from president trump with this policy on russia.
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>> it does. there was some decision making policy making process here where they decided to draw up these sanctions and oppose those sanctions and allow to be announced. the president changing his mind and under cutting her and that policy. when the u.s. expelled some 60 russian diplomats from the u.s. following the poisoning, we learned after wards that the president was surprised about i the number, that number 60 was in his view too high. he wanted to be more in line with the single digits. the president disagreeing with his own administration's decision as it pertains to russia. and that's a real problem because it appears, anderson, this reflects a division not only with the republican party with approach to russia but within his own administration, those divisions breaking out in
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questions about his choice of words if a tweet this morning. he says quote, there is a revolution going on in california. so many sanctuary areas want out of this ridiculous crime infested and breeding. safety now. as well as breeding as for what he meant. even his secretary of homeland security couldn't understand why he mentioned breeding when he asked about it this afternoon. joining me is jorge ramos. >> i am wonder what you thought he meant by that? >> it is, i mean, i give up. i really cannot interpret president trump. but what i am seeing every single time whenever he talks about immigrants he is equating them with criminals. i was reading other of his tweets. he was talking about the supreme court reaction. he was saying this is a public
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safety crisis. that is also a lie. he wants to keep america safe. well among the border between mexico and the united states, you have some of the safest towns in the country. i don't know what the president was talking about. >> specifically, the referencing to breeding, i mean, obviously there is a number of critics just thought it was, it seemed racist. >> yes, and this is not the first time in which president trump has made racist remarks when he said that mechanxican immigrants were criminals. that is a racist remark and when he says that people from haiti were from ass-hole countries was a racist remarks. hate is contagious and the president of the united states is making racist remarks, just
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imagine what his reporters might be say in social media. we cannot normalize this behavior. and we are not in normal times >> the president has been frustrated with the state of california, laws that restrict local police from informing federal agents about people who are being released from prison who are undocumented. even two california county, orange county and san diego they sided with the trump administration on this issue of helping federal authorities. >> yeah, but i think san diego is on the wrong side of history. who is going to be defending immigrants? i think the trump administration continues to arrest people who have no criminal records. they continue to destroy thousands of families. and i just came from the border. and i can report to you, that there is no invasion at the border. no invasion what over.
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as far as i know mexico has not been declared an enemy of the united states. and i didn't see armies of bad hom bres willing to jump the fence. what the president is doing, suing california, is completely useless. it is a waste of time and money. >> it was interesting to hear the president, i think more than a week ago that he used the term enemy combatants, were coming across the border which i think may be the time that he has used that term. i am not sure if that was in order to try to get the military to pay for the construction of the wall. but the idea that there were enemy combatants, al qaeda and the like coming across the border was a stretch. >> i certainly didn't see that. i have been going to the border hundreds of time and i have not seen that. 9/11, all the terrorists that
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came to the united states didn't come through mexico. and again, this is just another example in which donald trump is trying to criminalize an immigrant population. clearly donald trump is the most anti immigrant president since the 1950s. wants to cut legal immigration by half and deport as many immigrants as he can. he wanted to deport 11 million people in two years. that is completely impossible. >> can you understand his frustration with a state that does bar local authorities from alerting -- is being released from prison? >> i can agree with that. and i am not defending any criminals. that you would be ludicrous and it doesn't make sense. to criminalize the whole population because of what a few people are doing is wrong. it is as if i were saying all
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okay. fell from the sky np now according to the these items were found about 70 miles away from the philadelphia airport where the emergency landing was made. the safety board is asking people to contact them if there is more debris found. meanwhile we learn more about
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the passenger who died. the philadelphia health officials says the mom of two died of blunt force trauma. it's believed fragments of the engine hit her after shattering a window. there is a lot of prays for the highlight who people say had nerves of steel during the crisis. >> we have part of the aircraft we need to slow down a bit. >> captain tammi jo shults piloting the 1380. >> did you have the medical meet thrust on the runway as well? we've got injured passengers. >> injured passengers. okay -- is your airplane physically on fire. >> not on fire but part of it's missing. there is a hole and someone went out. >> i'm sorry you said there was a somebody went out. >> yes. >> 1380 doesn't matter we'll work it out. >> it was kay onboard you wouldn't have known it listening to captain schultz, experienced navy 5:30 pilot among the first women to transition to tactical
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aircraft. she remained calm. >> we dropped down. and then it was pretty steady. then they said we were going into philadelphia. we had a good landing. and the pilot was a veteran of the navy. she had 32 years in, a woman. and she was very good. >> shults dreamed of tying since a teenager. but she wasn't sure if it was possible with no professional female pilots at the time she faced an uphill battle. telling her story in the book military fly moms. i never touched an airplane but you knew flying was my future. i met a girl who was had air force wings in college. i set to work trying to break into the club. however the air force wasn't interested in talking to me. but they wanted to know if my brother wanted to fly. she found opportunity with the navy taking a test and filling out paperwork for officer candidate school.
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a year later she found a recruiter willing to accept her application. she set off to accomplish what she described as intense joyful and a horrible experience. but she got through it. all of it preparing her to fly the plane on tuesday, more damaged than even she knew. sh rap until from the engine casing punning urd a hole and nearly surking out jfrp riordan. >> somebody screamed we realized what happened when the window went out. i tried and couldn't. and then andrew came over. just trying to get her back in. >> seated in roe 14, the 42 o 44 mother of two talgtsly injured. nearby pare passengers tried to keep her inside the aircraft. >> they started cpr on the lady which we continued for about 20 minutes. we were still doing cpr when the plane landed. we made every effort we could make to save her. >> fellow passengers doing
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everything they could for the stranger who neighbors describe as fulling of life. >> she was a remarkable mother and wife. >> riordan's family devastatesed. jennifer's vibrancy fashion and love infused her community and reached across her country. everyone she touched can never be fully measured. >> sand value joins us in enveloped where does the investigation stand? >> well, anderson, late tonight word from the federal aviation administration that the next two weeks they will be requiring that aircraft carriers really focus or some of the carriers focus on the engines of the planes. and it's the same model that was on this plane that was aircrafted during yesterday's incident. of course the prevailing theory for investigators with the national transportation safety board is that one of those fan blades was detached from the engine setting off this catastrophic chain of events. it's extremely important that authorities this essence use ultrasonic equipment to look for
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potential signs of metal fatigue. as we heard tonight in what is expected to be the last press conference by the national transportation safety board at least here this investigation is certainly not over. but that is at least what their main focus of the investigation is tonight, anderson. >> thank you. very much. up next new are the rowing the president was warned that michael cohen will turn against him if he faces criminal charges. we'll tell you who gave the president that warning on the phone when we continue. we just got married. we're all under one roof now. congratulations. thank you. how many kids? my two. his three. along with two dogs and jake, our new parrot. that is quite the family. quite a lot of colleges to pay for though. a lot of colleges. you get any financial advice? yeah, but i'm pretty sure it's the same plan they sold me before. well your situation's totally changed now. right, right. how 'bout a plan that works for 5 kids, 2 dogs and jake over here? that would be great. that would be great. that okay with you, jake? get a portfolio that works for you now and as your needs change from td ameritrade investment management.
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tonight news a of a warning to the president from a long time legal advisers that his fixer could turn on him. on the table will michael cohen flip? one of the cht's former lawyers says it could happen. the president insists nobody is tougher on russia than he is. despite russia being advised no new sanctioning. the hasn't connect to the president and lur and how dope it goes. broken bile wall street that the president's former lawyer and long-term advisers warned him on friday if michael cohen faces criminal charges he would turn on the president and cooperate with prosecutors. gloria borger confirmed the story. she joins us now. you talked to the attorney as well. walk you