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emotional it must be. but it is good that there are people like you who try to help in these horrible moments. thank you very much for your time. thinking of you. and thanks to all of you for joining us. now "ac 360." >> george h.w. bush is in intensive care. the world watched him say farewell to his wife. and within a few hours, president bush was hospitalized. what do we know about the president? >> reporter: sunday morning, he was suffering from an infection. it became a crisis.
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went right into the icu. and the infection led to sepsis. from someone his age and his health problems is dangerous. and on sunday, had some real scares. twice his blood pressure dropped and weren't sure he was going to make it. they have been giving him anti biotics and fluids. and i am told it was very serious. >> there was a statement put out by the family. >> right. and that statement says president bush was admitted to the hospital after contracting an infection that spread to his blood. responding to treatments and appears to be recovering. i think everybody is hopeful.
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but when you are 93-years old and have parkinson's and in and out of the hospital and suffered a great loss. >> i know you were at the funeral this weekend. how did he seem then? >> the first picture you showed was friday when he went to greet the public. >> which was kpoextraordinary. >> he chose to do that. he said i should be there. they said you will only stay for 15 minutes. and he stayed and stayed and it was very stoic. . saturday was the funeral. it had to have been very emotional. we saw the pictures. it was heart breaking when his
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son jeb read a love letter he wrote to barbara bush. he broke down. after the burial, he went out to dinner with his family. saturday night doing pretty well and sunday morning a different story. >> so interesting to hear the reactions of george w. bush and some of the other children, the five children of this remarkable children, that obviously because of the age of mrs. bush, their faith has really helped them through this. the sense they know where their mother has gone. and how she lived her life. >> you hear from the bushes, three most important things, faith, family, and friends. a lot of people didn't know barbara bush had been suffering from copd for the last couple of
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years. at the end she told them, i am at peace, it is time. president bush was saying, when i saw him last, i am going to live until the age of 102. these people were married for 72 years. a great love affair. a terrible loss for him. >> this extraordinary live, you talk about 73 years. she was 16-years old. he was 19 when he became the youngest airman flying in the navy. >> they were very young. he was the first time she ever kissed. the only man. you look at the old pictures,
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his plane had her name on it and they had been through so much. >> hard to imagine one without the other. >> correct. >> they lived their entire lives together. appreciate it. we are going to come back to jamie in a moment. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. let's talk about sepsis. and what it means to someone his age. >> an infection that has become a serious infection. it can start off as a minor infection. but it becomes something that starts to overwhelm the body. sepsis itself can progress to severe sepsis can progress to septic shock. in the initial stages, someone typically has a high fever. they figure out what is causing the problem and they start to
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treat it with anti biotics. >> how does, this may be a dumb question, but how does somebody get that infection in the first place? obviously the president had a busy weekend, emotionally painful. but how does one get an infection like that. >> two things to keep in mind. the infection can start off as a relatively minor infection. start off as something, in someone who is otherwise healthy, they would be able to combat that infection. this is something that does start to spread. and it could be because one's immunity is weakened. and certainly in very young and very old people, their immunity is weaken. and people talk about the toll that a loss like this takes on the body.
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what does that look like? sometimes it has an impact on the heart. a syndrome called broken heart syndrome. but an impact on your immunity. it could be a combination of things. getting the infection which is maybe not all that uncommon, but the more difficult time of clearing the infection on his own. >> according to the family's statement, the president is responding to treatments and appears to be recovering. that sounds optimistic. >> yeah. it certainly does. and being in the intensive care unit at a place like methodist, one of the best places in the world to take care of this. he is 93-years old and does have these underlying problems. he was hospitalized a year ago to the day. these are concerns you have to weigh binto the picture.
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these types of recoveries are not measured in minutes and hours, more days and weeks. you want to make sure the trajectory remains in the right direction and that is going to take some time. >> how does parkinson's disease play into that. >> they are more immobilized. when you are more immobilized. you are more likely to develop these infections. it doesn't mean you can't clear these infections on your own. your body is naturally taking care of these or doesn't get to the point that somebody develops high fevers. given his age, these factors, all an aggregate might make it ha harder to fight the infection on
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his own. >> gloria this has been such a difficult week. it is unthinkable to lose the love of your life, the person you have been with for 73 years. >> and someone who has taken care of you and who has been with you the entire time. what is striking to me was him sitting there and shaking the hands of every single person who came by to pay their respect. as jamie says, it is classic george h.w. bush. but so gracious and clearly this was not easy for him either emotionally or physically to be able to do that. and yet he sat there and he did that. and just watching it was so emotional for someone like me. it was almost as if he didn't want to leave her yet.
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and he wanted to do what she wanted him to do which was be political. >> that sense of service and honor that i think is so important in the bush family. >> and putting others first. he famously talked about his mother didn't want him to use the word i. there he was with his daughter dora going over -- and yet this is a typical george h.w. bush thing. this morning he was telling aides, i have a may tenth event. and then i want to go up to kennebunkport. he is still fighting and planning his life ahead and still thinking about obligations to others. >> you talk about kennebunkport,
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it is rare that you have a family that is connected. you talk about bicoastal people, so rooted in texas and eastern established. >> he has spent every summer of his life at kennebunkport except when he was in the navy. and just to go back to his health for a moment, he has been in and out of the hospital many more times than we know about. keeping him going, dealing with these infections, dealing with breathing problems is an ongoing balancing act. >> sanjay, you talked about somebody who obviously he is in a wheelchair, does that contribute to the danger of infections, sores or thinking that can develop from lack of movement. >> that is a real concern.
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pressure points. for someone whose immune system is not as robust, infection can become more wide spread and problematic. in addition to the infection, it is in part the body's response to those infections. as it does, that it can lower someone's blood pressure. it can change someone's heart rate and cause breathing problems. so it is the body trying to do its job but that can be part of what makes somebody so sick. that is the balancing act as well. treat the infection and not hurt other organs. making sure the vital signs stay stable. >> thank you very much. we will continue to monitor late developments throughout the broadcast. next, breaking news involving the president's decision and his right to run the va.
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more breaking news tonight. late word that the president's pick to run the veteran's affair is in trouble. what are you hearing? >> what we are hearing is that both republicans and democrats on the committee are reviewing these allegations raising concerns about ronny jackson. they are not detailing what
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these allegations are. they have to deal with improper conduct at various points of his career. my sources tell my colleague that the committee is in talks to delay the confirmation hearing while they try to wrap their heads around these new details. he is not someone who had a lot of management experience. >> how far along are they? are they refuting or substantiating allegations? >> we spoke to a number of democratic lawmakers huddling on this issue. one of them telling us these are raw allegations. they are trying to figure out if there is any factual basis. we heard from top democrat on the veterans committee telling his staff giving them enough
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work -- >> so i mean, i was going to ask how soon they need to figure this out, that 48-hour time window? >> if these allegations are indeed corroborated, it is important to know if senators have indeed corroborated these allegations. senate lawmakers who had a lot of questions for jackson would want to know more about these. >> are these the only issues that could derail jackson? >> when jackson was selected to replace shulkin, a number of lawmakers had questions about him. the va is a sprawling agency. number of lawmakers worry he might not have management
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experience. we still don't know a lot about his policy views. lawmakers holding their fire. this is a stunning development for this nominee. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. france's president and first lady planted a tree symbolically. meantime, new reporting on how president trump is relying more and more on his own personal cell phone and less on his chief of staff john kelly. he is increasingly dialing up. tweeting a lot defending michael cohen and slamming the "new york times" maggie haberman.
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when boxing jackson was convicted of taking his white girlfriend across state lines. the president tweeted this about him. others have looked at this over the years and most thought it would be done. but yes, i am considering a full pardon. keeping them honest given that the president has already gone outside the normal channels to pardon two others. is this a message to mr. cohen or others. other tweets contain further hints. -- are going out of their way to destroy michael cohen and his relationship with me in the hope that he will flip. the president continues. they use nonexistence sources and a drunk drugged up loser who
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hates michael. m michael is a businessman. sorry, i don't see michael doing that despite the horrible witch hunt and the dishonest media. story over the weekend on the possibility of cohen flipping on the president may have touched a nerve. and few reporters are as well sourced as she is in the trump white house. the white house on two occasions today did not rule out pardoning cohen. >> i wanted to ask you a question that sort of following up on what you were asked about michael cohen. noticed by some that you didn't close the door one way or the other about the president pardoning cohen. >> it is hard to close the door on something that hasn't taken place.
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i don't want to discuss or comment on hypothetical situations that may or may not happen. i would refer you to personal attorneys to comment on anything specific on that case. we don't have anything at this point. >> the president lashed out on the russia probe. a complete witch hunt he wrote. >> we have no intention of firing the special counsel. we have been beyond cooperative with them. continuing to cooperate with them. we continue to repeat that we think that the idea that the trump campaign was involved in collusion with russia is a total witch hunt. >> never mind, the multiple reports by haberman, and spoken about it numerous times about numerous people. today an assurance from the white house, no intention in
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firing the special counsel. we will see. joining us jeffrey toobin and all allen dershowitz. sarah sanders left own the possibility of pardoning michael cohen. do you see indications that the president would not pardon cohen? >> hard to say. he is obviously dangling a pardon before michael cohen in all but explicit terms. but you know, michael cohen hasn't been indicted yet and he may never been indicted so may be no reason to pardon him. it is worth pausing to consider again what it would be like if hillary clinton were president of the united states and one of her top aides was under criminal investigation and she was tweeting stay strong, don't flip. the republican party would have
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impeachment proceedings underway already if that is the case. now the standards have changed so dramatically, that we all shrug it offer. but totally inappropriate what the president is doing, but i don't think it is unlawful. >> professor dershowitz, is it inappropriate? >> i think it is inappropriate. look, the prosecutors can influence the discussion of compa cohen they can threaten him, cajole him, even offer him munch they won't do that but they are allowed to under the rules of the court. i think it is inappropriate for the president to dangle a pardon. it is not inappropriate for a president to grant the pardon. if the president granted a pardon, there goes michael cohen fifth amendment.
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tell him he has no fifth amendment and he has to answer the questions. if he don't answer the questions, he would be held in c contempt. i don't think we can expect to pardon, certainly not at this point in time. george h.w. bush did pardon five people on the eve of their trial. and the special prosecutor did say it was designed in the cover up and end the investigation of the white house. but i don't think it is going to happen right now. >> jeff, the president does have tremendous power in terms of pardoning. >> it is one of the absolute powers established in the constitution. no judicial review. the congress can't force the president to grant a pardon. it is a sole discretionary power
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of the president. and most presidents use a procedure that is established by in the department of justice. where there is a pardon attorney, and the president obama used that power to grant commutations and pardons to hundreds of nonviolent drug offenders. presidents get in trouble when they go outside the process. president trump, the pardon of joe arpaio. and scooter libby was not in that process. it is politically troubling but as a matter of presidential power, no doubt that the president has the authority to do it. >> so glad jeffrey is learning that the president does have these enormous powers under the unitary executive to pardon, to fire, to end an investigation. and it doesn't make it right.
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and i don't condone the president telling people to stop an investigation or go soft. but i would distinguish, and jeffrey distinguishes between what is right and what is lawful. >> thank you for patronizing me so gently there, but i don't think it is the same thing the power to fire the president -- the director of the fbi. actually negotiating a pardon may well be an impeachable offense. if you say to michael cohen don't cooperate and i will give you a pardon, that may well be an impeachable offense. >> i agree with you. that could be an obstruction of justice. if you offer somebody a presidential pardon in exchange for not testifying, that would be an obstruction of justice. it would have to be proved by overwhelming evidence. if it were to be done, it would
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be done in a more subtle way. >> i wouldn't say subtle at this -- >> not state crimes, and it has been reported that mueller has been sharing information with the new york state attorney general in regards to the investigation. do you think cohen, again, we don't know what if anything they have on cohen, do you think cohen could face charges at the state level. i talked to jeff before, he thinks it is overstates that the power that the state may have if that investigation closes down. >> all kinds of rumors about taxi medallion and real estate issues. those tend to be state and federal crime if committed. remember, we have to have a presumption of innocence. they are trying to change the double jeopardy now.
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if a person is pardoned by the president, that pardon eliminated the double jeopardy that operates under new york law. it could give the state a powerful weapon. and in general, i think states are asserting themselves much more today in the legal arena than they did in the past and challenging the exclusive nature of the supremacy clause. i think we may see action by the states. states have brought lawsuits now. i think we are seeing muscle flexing by state attorney general. >> professor dershowitz, professor toobin sort of. >>ish. >> sarah sanders responds next. ' $50 bucks. you said $30. it was $30 before the pizza-ordering fee and the dog-sitting fee. are those my heels? with t-mobile taxes and fees are already included, so you get four unlimited lines for just $40 bucks each.
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when the president used the word breeding, the critics saw it as racially charged language. jim acosta asked about it and read from the tweet that setoff a storm. >> the president tweeted last week, he was talking about sanctuary city in california and saying there was a revolution going on in california. so many sanctuary areas want out of this crime infested and breeding concept. when he used the word breeding was he making a derogatory
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term -- >> he talked about the problem itself growing and getting bigger. >> when you think of breeding, you think of animals breeding. >> i am not going to begin to think what you think. certainly i think it can mean a lot of thing it is a lot of people. but the president is talking about a growing problem. and i addressed that with jim. and i don't have anything else to add. >> what the president meant about breeding. he is not talking about people having babies? >> not that i am aware of. i will have to ask him to be more specific. >> so the president according to sarah sanders is saying that in this context the word breeding synonymous as the word growing. let's talk to former trump senior campaign adviser jason
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miller and bakari sellers. growing and getting bigger, that is what breeding concept meant. >> we have been accustomed to sarah becoming a pretzel at the podium. i think it has a lot to do with cultural issues in this country. what he was going to is the heart of the base. this breeding concept that you refer to animals that way. of course it was derogatory. cultu culturally, there are a lot of this country who are afraid of this country becoming browner. in any way he can show the divisiveness. he is successful in his base. this is par for the course for this president of the united states. the fact that he doesn't have the courage to stand up and say,
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simply, this is how i feel about people of color. you all go out in dark places and breed. this is what you do. this is about showing the country is becoming browner. in places like california, he has an issue with that. >> as sarah says, it means getting bigger. >> i don't think i saw it when the president tweeted. my reaction when i first saw it, i thought breeding contempt. >> you thought the word was meant to be contempt. >> that was the first thought that i had. and there wasn't a heck of a lot of news on it. and then it pops back up and gets brought up in addition to jim and another reporter brought it up.
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the president has brought up sanctuary cities over and over. specific to california, they just passed something to try to make the state a sanctuary state. the president has had ten or a dozen tweets on sanctuary cities. i have never heard the president use this charged language that folks are trying to put in his mouth. or make it sound like he is making a racist concept. he moved on and didn't think about it and that is my opinion on it. >> this whole debate, debate about sanctuary city, it is almost bril generliant that the president has developed this in a national security. you can use racially charged language and envelop in this larger argument of sanctuary
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city when the fact is, it was derogatory. my friend jason here, this breeding concept is not new. this is language that is ripped right out of white nationalist nazi sympathizers. this is not new phrase. this phrase that he used, it is there. it is that language over and over again. so whether or not he consciously used it or not, the fact is it is still a derogatory piece. >> we haven't seen the president used those two words next to each other. i have heard him say breeding con tempt before. but he has talked about sanctuary city over and over. when he had the angel moms. the issue of sanctuary city and this disrespect for the rule of
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law. >> the disrespect for the rule of law is ironic. >> basically giving the middle finger to the rule of law. this is a big reason why president trump won. >> i am sorry to belabor this. i don't believe this is a conversation about the rule of law. what he is able to do with his immigration language, with his builds a wall language, with the kick him out. with the sons of pitches. race. and that is what he is doing. listen, people get this all the time. bakari, stop playing the race car. i am not playing the race card. i am black. so transparent that we can see through it. referring to people breeding like dogs on the street.
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>> no way that is what he is referring to. he doesn't use language like that. we have never heard him use language like that. he talks about the wall. and i hope he builds it. i hope he does something about sanctuary cities. i think it is disrespectful an entire state can move in that direction. we are on opposite sides. >> all i am saying -- we gave them $25 billion. the president of the united states has an obligation and a duty. he should not tweet, if he is trying to say breeding contempt. >> respectfully i would say don't come back at it and say this is some racially charged comment when that is not the way the president talks. >> going to take a break. after a deadly shooting at a
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man accused of killing four
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people in a nashville area waffle house is now in custody. arrested late this afternoon. we are going to talk to james shaw jr. you were right there leading up to the capture of the suspect. walk me through what happened. >> reporter: we were at this apartment complex where there is also a construction site. we were there doing some of these on camera stand ups and sure enough this truck with a construction worker came speeding up to us and he said i thought you were the law. i just called the police because i thought i saw the suspect walking through the construction site. he called 911 saying the guy is here. and sure enough i said to him do you want to go on camera. he said no. as soon as he drove away, moments later, dozens of police
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cars came racing down the street. talked to the construction worker who directed them to a path inside the area and right into the woods. they went in and split up into the wooded area and able to nab the suspect. >> go ahead. >> they certainly weren't trying to hide the fact they were coming after him. lights and sirens blaring. >> have you been able to learn anything from the victims from the shooting. >> we have. and a lot of people were talking about the people who died. all of the victims were under 30-years old. waffle house employee was killed outside. along with joe perez who sent his mother a text message saying
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i love you. those killed inside were akilah da silva and deebony groves. a sad day. >> four people killed all under 30-years old. could have been worse if not for the action of james shaw jr. who wrestled the gun away from the shooter. >> at what point do you realize something terrible is happening. >> when glass is shattering. i looked back and -- and he was laying there on the ground. he was no longer alive. and he shot again and that is when i jumped from my seat and kind of lid on the ground to the entrance up the bathroom. when i started shooting, i actually jumped and lunged toward the bathroom area and i
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was actually looking at him and when he shot towards the bathroom area and i was actually grazed with a bullet in my upper right elbow. after that i think he had to reload i saw an opportunity to take advantage of him. so i ran through the door as fast as i could and i hit him with the door and that kind of made him a little woozy and he let go of the gun and he was tussling for the gun, wrestling for it. and he had it in one hand and that is when i took it from him. >> people think about how they would react if a situation like this but nobody knows until it actually happened. what was going through your mind when you made the decision, looks like he was reloading and i am going to do something. >> only example i can give to you is if you almost drowned and you are gasping for that last
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bit of air that you don't think you are going to get. i saw the barrel pointed down to the ground. and it seemed like it was forever. it happened in a split second which it did, but it seemed like forever. in that time, i was like i have to go now. he is going to have to work for this kill and luckily it worked out in my favor. the gun was hot. he was naked. none of that mattered. i can deal with nudity and a hot gun. i got a blister in my hand. >> you grabbed the barrel of the gun and it was hot. >> after it was discharged it was very hot. i didn't feel that then. i was trying to get the gun away from him. >> some people asked if this could have been a >> as far as i know, it was just
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swear words. literally all of it was a blur. >> do you consider yourself a hero? i sure do, and i'm sure everybody in that restaurant does as well. >> heroes seem kind of like they're not touchable. if i'm looked at as a regular person, if someone else is in this situation, they have that same thing within them that they can project that also. >> james, i don't believe in naming the shooters in a case like this in a mass shooting, because i don't think history should remember that person's name, but i certainly hope history and everybody in this country remembers your name, james shaw jr. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you so much for what you did and for talking to us tonight. >> all right. you have a good one. >> remarkable guy. that's a gofundme page he set up for the victims and for those who have injuries from this shooting. breaking news in toronto. the death toll has risen to 10 after a van plowed into pedestrians. what we know about the suspect in custody, next.
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back to the investigation in toronto and the trauma after a driver used a rented van on pedestrians. at least 10 people have died, others are badly injured. we are joined from toronto. what do we know about this? what's the latest? >> reporter: anderson, what we just heard from federal and local reporters who gave us a full picture of what was carried out, the death toll went to 10. it was at nine, and that's because the injured appear to be in critical and serious condition. we also heard from authorities about the attacker himself. he was taken into custody without incident. they have identified the attacker. he's a 25-year-old from richmond hill which is about half an hour from here. they did provide the name. as you know, anderson, we will not be reporting that name, but they say this is not a name, contrary to some earlier reporting, that was in their files. right now they are not calling this a terror attack. they are saying it is not a
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threat to national security. there is no indication that there are any other attacks that are in the works, and they are not raising the terror threat level. now, they are offering a better picture of how this unfolded this afternoon. it took some 26 minutes from start to finish starting at just 1:26 p.m. anderson, this is one of the biggest streets in the country. young street at 1:26 p.m. today. it would have been bustling with people going to lunch, the driver driving southbound on this side and really plowing into people. we heard from witnesses who described the scene as a nightmare, as pandemonium, saying the driver was going as fast as 40 or 50 miles an hour as he was ramming into people. anderson? >> have police spoken to the possible motive of this person? we've seen that video that's extraordinary of after it was done of the man basically
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holding up -- i'm not sure, i think what it was, holding it up toward a police officer and then drawing it several times almost as if he wanted to be shot by the police officer. >> reporter: yeah, that's the big question right now, what is the motive, and some speculate he was looking for a suicide by a cop, as they call it. the authorities have not said that, but you're absolutely right, that is some incredible video at 1:52. so 26 minutes, as i mentioned, after this attack started, the police did manage to corner the attacker. they got him out of the car. you see him pointing something at the police. they say it was not a gun, however, the attacker claimed that he had a gun. the police said, we will shoot you if you don't put it down. they managed to get the attacker on the ground and handcuff him without firing a shot. so we're showing remarkable restraint. let's just show you some of that video. >> get down! no, get down!
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get down! get down! >> reporter: but no, anderson, there's been no declared motive right now. as we mentioned, right now they don't think it was a terror attack. there has been no claim of responsibility, but when you see an attack like this, of course it dredges up those horrific memories of where there have been very similar attacks, nice, barcelona and london last year. the former first lady barbara bush's husband, george h.w. bush, is in intensive care. the latest from houston, ahead.
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