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sunday morning, he was suffering from an infection, it became a crisis. he was brought into houston methodist hospital and went right into the icu, and that the infection led to sepsis, which, for someone his age, with his health problems, is really dangerous. and that on sunday, they had some real scares, that twice his blood pressure dropped, and they weren't sure he was going to make it. the good news is that they've been giving him antibiotics, they've been giving him iv fluids and it seems to have stabilized him. he is still in the icu, but i'm told that it's very serious. >> there was a statement put out by the family, yes? >> right. and that statement says that president bush was admitted to the hospital after contracting an infection that spread to his blood, that would be the sepsis, that he is responding to treatments and appears to be

recovering, and that they'll issue additional updates. i think that everyone is hopeful. he appears to be recovering. but when you're 93 years old, when you have parkinson's, when you've been in and out of the hospital a lot, they don't know. >> and suffered a great loss. >> you suffered a great loss. >> i know you were at the funeral this weekend, how did he seem then? we saw the images. >> so, you know, the first picture you showed was friday when he went to greet the public. >> which was extraordinary. >> extraordinary. and unexpected. >> and he chose to do that? >> he chose to do that. he was watching a video feed, he said, i should be there. classic george bush. and he went down. they said, well, you'll only stay for 15 minutes, and he stayed and stayed and stayed. and so, it was very stoic. it was -- and then -- >> which must be exhausting, i mean, he's making contact with all those people, shaking hands. >> absolutely. absolute li. and then saturday was the

funeral. it had to have been very emotional. we saw the pictures, it was heartbreaking when his son jeb read one of the love letters that he had written on a wedding anniversary to barbara bush, he broke down, but i will tell you, i'm told that after the burial at college station, he went out to dinner with his family. so, saturday night, he was doing pretty well and then sunday morning, it was a different story. >> so interesting to hear the -- the reactions of george w. bush, some of the other children, the five children of this remarkable couple, that, i mean, obviously because of the age of mrs. bush, but their faith has really helped them through this, the sense of, they know where their mother has gone, they know how she faced her death and how she lived her life. >> right. so, you hear from the bushes always, what are the three most important things, faith, family and friends.

there is no question, a lot of people didn't know that barbara bush had been suffering from copd for the last two years. at the end, she told them, i am at peace. it's time. and i think that helped them. president bush has been say, when i saw him last, he said, i'm going to live to 102, so he's had a tremendous amount of energy. but these two people were married for 73 years. >> yeah. >> this is a great love affair. this is -- it has been a terrible loss for him and you have to just think it has some impact. >> it's also, just the extraordinary life that he has lived and frankly continues to live, i mean, they met, you know, you talk about 73 years, she was 16 years old when they met at a dance. >> right. >> and it wasn't long after, i mean, i think he was 19 when he became the youngest airman flying in the navy. >> exactly. they were very young. she loves to say, and it is true that he was the first man she

ever kissed, the only man, and she said, her children always rolled their eyes at that. but it was an extraordinary relationship, you look at the old pictures, his plane had her name on it, and they've been through so much -- >> hard to imagine one without the other. >> correct. >> they lived their entire lives together. jamie, thank you very muchlt appreciate it. we're going to come back to jamie in a moment. right now, dr. sanjay gupta is with us. sanjay, just for people out there, let's talk about sepsis, what it means to someone president bush's age. >> well, you know, this is an infection that has become a more serious infection, sometimes a life-threatening infection. typically, i can start off as a minor infection in the skin, a kidney infection or in the blood. urinary tract infection. but it becomes something that starts to overwhelm the body. sepsis itself can progress to severe sepsis, can progress to septic shock.

and in the initial stages, someone typically has a high fever. they figure out what is causing the problem, and they start to treat it, with antibiotics and hope that the fever comes down, the bacteria's cleared and that whatever vital signs, if there was any abonormalities return t normal. >> how does, and this may be a dumb question, but how does somebody get that infection in the first place? i mean, obviously, the president had a, you know, a very busy weekend, emotionally painful and draining weekend, but a lot of interaction with other people. how does one get an infection like that? >> well, i think there's two things to sort of keep in mind here. the inspection can start off as a relatively minor infection. it can start off, you know, something that, in someone who is otherwise healthy, has no other medical problems, they'd be able to combat that unfex. but this is something that does start to spread. and it could be because one's immunity is weakened, as certainly in very young and very old people, their immune system

is already weakened, but to your point, anderson, people talk about the toll that a loss like this takes on the body, what does that toll look like? it can sometimes have an impact on the heart and there is a syndrome called broken heart syndrome, but it can also have an impact on your immunity, your ability to fight infections. so, it could be a combination of things. getting the infection, which may be not all that uncommon, but then the more difficult time of clearing the infection on his own. >> and according to the family statement, he, the president is responding to treatments, appears to be -- appears to be recovering. that certainly sounds optimistic. >> yeah, it certainly does. and being in the intensive care unit at a place like methodist, that's one of the best places you can be in the world to try to take care of this, but i would say that he is 93 years old. he does have these underlying medical problems. and he's been -- he was hospitalized almost a year ago to the day, i think, middle of

april last year for pneumonia, so, you know, these are all concerns, you have to weigh them into the picture. it's great that he's on the mend, but these types of recoveries are not typically measured in minutes and hours, they're more days and weeks. so, you want to make sure that the trajectory remains in the right -- in the right direction, and that's going to take some time. >> and how might parkinson's disease play a factor in this? >> i think primarily because when someone has parkinson's disease, they're just more immobilized. when you are more immobilized, you are more likely to develop these infections. now, again, you know, it doesn't mean you can't clear these infections on your own, meaning your body is sort of naturally taking care of these, or it doesn't get to the point where someone developing a high fever, developing difficulty breathing or signs of early sepsis. but in parkinson's and again, given his age, these factors all in aggregate might make it

harder for him to fight the infection on his own. >> sanjay, stay with jamie is with us, gloria borger and paul begala. this has been such a difficult week, obviously, for the family, but for george h.w. bush. i mean, it's unthinkable to lose the love of your life, person you've been with, for more than 70 years. >> who has taken care of you, been with you the entire time. and what was so striking to me, watchi ing our coverage, was hi sitting there and shaking the hands of every single person who came by to pay their respects. as jamie says, it's sort of classic george h.w. bush. but so gracious, and clearly, this -- this was not easy for him, either emotionally or physically, to be able to do that. and yet, he sat there and he did that and just watching it was so

emotional for someone like me. it was almost as if he didn't want to leave her yet, and he wanted to do what she would have wanted him to do, which was to be political and sort of greet everybody and say, thank you so much for coming here, which is exactly what he did. >> and paul, it really does speak to that sense of sort of service and honor and just -- that is so important in the bush family. >> he always talked about how his mother told him never to use the world "i." he was going over, completely unscripted, unplanned, and these things are very carefully planned for aging first families, going in there, shaking all those hands. here's a typical george h.w. bush thing. this morning, he was telling aides, i have a may 10th event for brian mulrooney, i have to get to that, i have to get better in time to get to that. he's still fighting.

he's still planning his life and ci still thinking about obligations to others. it's amazing. >> it's rare that you have a family that is so sort of connected, i mean, you talk about bicostal people, this isn't bicostal, but a team so rooted in texas and also in the east. >> kennebunkport is just so important to them. to go back to his health for a moment, what hasn't been reported, he's been in and out of the hospital many more times than we know about. keeping him going, dealing with these infections, dealing with breathing problems, it's an ongoing balancing act. >> sanjay, you talked about somebody, you know, obviously, he's in a wheelchair, does that contribute to the danger of infections, i mean, sort of sores, or things that might develop from lack of movement?

>> yeah, that's a real concern. just pressure points can lead to some skin breakdown, and, you know, those can seem like relatively minor infections, again, but for someone whose immune system is not as robust, someone who has underlying medical problems, that's when those infections can start to become more widespread and problematic. and in addition to the infection, it's in part the body's response to that infection, if will, anderson, the body responds aggressively, trying to fight it, but as it does that, it can lower someone's blood pressure, it can -- it can change someone's heart rate, it can cause breathing problems, so, it's the body trying to do its job, but that can also be part of what makes somebody so sick. so, that's the balancing act, as well. got to treat the infection, not hurt other organs, make sure that the vital signs stay stable throughout all of that, as well. >> all right, sanjay, thank you. we'll continue to monitor this throughout the broadcast with

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more breaking news tonight. late word that the president's pick to run the department of veterans affairs, ronny jackson, is in trouble. cnn's lana summers joins now with the reasons why. >> reporter: anderson, we're hearing that republicans and democrats on the committee are reviewing allegations, raising concerns about ronny jackson. the white house's pick to lead the department of veterans affairs. they're not detailing what the allegations are yet. we know they have to deal with improper conduct at various points of his career, according to two sources. those sources said that the committee is in talks to delay jackson's confirmation hearing. that was scheduled for wednesday, why they try to wrap

their heads around the new details. jackson's not someone who had a lot of management experience, and people had concerns about what his policy views are to lead one of the government's largest federal agencies. >> how far along are they, are they refuting or substantiating allegations? >> reporter: they are trying to figure this out. we spoke to democratic lawmakers who are huddling on the hill tonight. these are raw allegations, they're trying to figure out exactly if there's any factual basis to them. we hear from john tester, he's the top democrat on the senate veterans committee, and he told us this, that he's going to tell his staff, to give them enough time to do as much as they can in the next 48 hours, see what they can come up with. and he asked if the allegations are troubling, he told my colleagues on the hill today, if true, they could be. >> so, is -- i was going to ask how soon they need to figure this out, is it that 48-hour time window? >> reporter: there's not a lot of time here. if the allegations are indeed

corroborated, it's important to note, we don't know if senators have corroborated the new allegations. they could perhaps be troubling, i'm assuming senate lawmakers, who had a lot of questions for jackson, would want to know more about these, as there are a number of cabinet nominees that this administration is trying to push through right now. >> reporter: are these the only issues that could derail jackson? >> they're not. when jackson was selected to replace david shulkin, a number of lawmakers had questions about him. the v.a. is a sprawling agency. number of lawmakers worried that someone with a more traditional military background may not have the management experience. a number of democrats on the hill say they're concerned if ronny jackson would privatizing the v.a., something that the nation's veterans groups don't want to see happen. we don't know about his policy views. lawmakers have not said if they are supporting him or not, so, this is a stunning development for this nominee. >> juana, thank you.

france's president and first lady arrived late today. they toured mt. vernon and will be honored tomorrow night with a state dinner. the first one for this administration. meantime, there's new reporting tonight on how president trump is relying more and more on his own personal cell phone and less on his chief of staff, john kelly. sources inside and outside the white house telling cnn he's dialing up outside advisers, by passing kelly and the white house switchboard. he's been tweeting a lot, defending michael cohen, slamming "the new york times" and the russia probe, fueling speculation if pardons could be coming by way of the year 1913. that's when jackson john was convicted of taking his white girlfriend across state lines. over the weekend, the president tweeted this about him. sylvester stallone called me with a story of jack johnson. his trials and tribulations were

great. his life complex and controversial. others have looked at this over the years, most thought it would be done, but yes, i am considering a full pardon. now, other presidents have considered doing the same, but keeping them honest, given that the president has already gone outside the normal channels to pardon two others, scooter libbi and joe arpaio, the question is, was this really about a message from mr. stallone or a message to mr. cohen and others? some other tweets from saturday contained further hits. quoting here, the new york times and a third rate reporter known as a cooked h flun can i who i don't speak to and have nothing to do with are going out of their way to destroy michael cohen and his relationship with me in the hope he will flip. they use nonexistence sources and a drunk drugged up loser who hates michael, a fine person with a wonderful family. michael is a businessman for his own account, lawyer who i have always liked and respected. most people will flip if the government lets them out of trouble, even if it means lying or making up stories.

of all the people to claim he doesn't speak to, his choice of maggie is especially rich. her story about the possibility of cohen flipping on the president, it may have touched a nerve, but few reporters are enjoy enjoyed a more fruitful relationship than maggie. in any case, the white house on two occasions today did not rule out pardoning cohen. >> wanted to ask you a question, sort of following up on what you were asked this morning about michael cohen. it was noticed by some that you didn't close the door one way or the other on president pardoning michael cohen. what is your -- what's your read on that right now? >> it's hard to close the door on something that hasn't taken place. i don't like to discuss or comment on hypothetical situations that may or may not ever happen. i would refer you to personal attorneys to comment on anything specific regarding that case. we don't have anything at this point. >> the president also lashed out again at the russia probe, barely making a dent in

twitter's 280-character limit. quote, a complete witch hunt, he wrote. sarah sanders today said robert mueller's job is safe. >> we have no intention of firing the special counsel. we've been beyond cooperative with them, we're continuing to cooperate with them. we continue to repeat that we think that the idea that the trump campaign was involved in any collusion with russia is a total witch hunt. our position on that has been very clear since the beginning of this process. >> never mind the multiple reports that the president went to don mcgahn about firing mueller and spoken about it numerous times to numerous people. today, an assurance there is no intension of firing the special counsel. we shall see. let's dig deep entire the legal angles when it comes to pardons. joining us, cnn chief league analyst jeffrey toobin and professor alan dershowitz. so, jeff, sarah sanders left open the possibility of

president trump to pardoning his personal attorney, michael cohen. do you see any indications that the president would not pardon cohen? >> well, it's very hard to say, i mean, i -- you know, he is obviously dangling a pardon before michael cohen, in all but explicit tirms, but michael cohen hasn't been indicted yet and he may never be, so, there may be no reason to pardon him. but, you know, it is worth pausing to consider, you know, again, what it would be like if hillary clinton were president of the united states and one of her top aides was under criminal investigation and she was tweeting, stay strong, don't flip, you know, the republican party would have impeachment proceedings under way already, if that were the case. now, you know, the standards have changed so dramatically that we all shrug it off. but it's totally inappropriate, what the president is doing, but i don't think it's unlawful. >> professor dershowitz, is it

inappropriate? >> i think it's inappropriate. i think it sends a message that the president may be trying to influence the decision of michael cohen. look, the prosecutors can influence the decision of cohen, they can threaten him, they can cajole him. they can even offer him money, they won't do that, but they're allowed to, under the rules of the -- of the courts today. they have tremendous leverage over him. but i think it's inappropriate for a president to dangle a pardon. it's not inappropriate for a president to grant a pardon. now, one reason for not granting a pardon, if the president granted a pardon, there goes michael cohen's fifth amendment privilege. he no longer is exposed to criminal prosecution, so, the first thing the prosecution would do is call him in before the grand jury, tell him he has no fifth amend pt, he has to answer the questions, if he doesn't answer the questions, at that point, he can be held in contempt and the president would have to pardon him from the contempt and all of that would be a complete mess, so, i don't think we can expect a pardon, certainly not at this point in

time. down the line, who knows. remember, president george h.w. bush, whose health we're all playing for today, did pardon five people on the eve of their trial trial, and the special prosecutor did say it was designed to continue a coverup and end the investigation of that white house. but i don't think it's going to happen right now. ? jeff, the president really does have tremendous, i mean, power to -- in terms of pardoning. >> it is one of the absolute powers established in the constitution. there's no judicial review. the courts can't invalidate a pardon. congress can't force the president to grant a pardon. it is a sole discretionary power of the president. and, you know, most presidents use a procedure that is established by the -- in the department of justice, where there's a pardon attorney and the president -- obama used that power to grant come ewations and

pardons to hundreds of nonviolent drug offenders. presidents get in trouble when they go outside that process. bill clinton went outside that process to pardon mark rich. president trump, the pardon of scooter libby, joe arpaio, was not in that process. it's problematic, it's politically troubling, but as a matter of presidential power, there's no doubt that the president has the authority to do it. >> i'm so glad jeffrey's finally, finally learning that the president really does have these enormous powers under the unitary executive, to pardon, to fire, to end an investigation. it doesn't make them right. i don't condone the president telling people to stop an investigation or go soft, but i would distinguish and jeffrey now distinguishes between what's right and what's unlawful. >> thank you for patronizing me so gently there, but i actually don't think it's the same thing

with the power to fire the -- the director of the fbi. and actually negotiating a pardon may well be an impeachable 0 fentoffense. if you say to michael cohen, don't cooperate and i'll give you a pardon, that may well be an 'em pitchabimpeachable offen. >> i agree with you. that could be obstruction of justice. if you offer somebody a presidential pardon in exchange for not testifying, that could be an obstruction of justice, but it would have to be proved by, you know, overwhelming evidence -- >> okay. >> i think -- if it were to be done, it would be done in a lot more subtle a way and it would be difficult to establish as an impeachable offense. >> i wouldn't say subtlety is the dominant character of this administration. so, we'll see how this unfolds. >> well, professor, a presidential pardon only applied to federal crimes, not state crimes. it's been reported that mueller

has been sharing information with the new york state attorney general. do you think cohen, again, we don't know what, if anything, they have on cohen, do you think cohen could face charges at the state level? i talked to jeff about this before, and he said he thinks it's overstated the power that the state may have if mueller is -- if that investigation closes down. >> well, there are all kinds of rumors about taxi medallions and real estate issues. those tend to be both state and federal crimes, if they have been committed. remember, we still have to have a presumption of innocence as to cohen and certainly as to the president, but i think there may be some power in the state attorney general, and, of course, they're trying to change the double jeopardy law now, so, if a person is pardoned by the president, that pardon eliminates the double jeopardy that generally operating under new york law. if that were upheld by the court, it could give the state a fairly powerful weapon, and in general, i think states are asserting themselves much more

today in the legal arena than they ever did in the past and challenging the exclusive nature of the supremacy clause. so, i think we may see some action by the states. states have brought lawsuits now against the president over the travel ban, so, i think we're seeing muscle flexing by state attorneys general. >> professor dershowitz, professor toobin, sort of. >> ish. >> ish. >> coming up, sarah sanders' comments on the president's words of breeding concept. that's next.

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when the president used the word breeding in a tweet about california and immigration, his critics saw it as an example of racially charged language. the basic question, what was the president's intention in using that word? cnn's jim acosta asked that question, reading from the tweet that sent off the storm. >> can i ask you about a tweet that the president put out last week, he tweeted a lot over the weekend, but last week, he said he was talking about sanctuary cities in california, saying there was a revolution going on in california, so many sanctuary areas want out of this ridiculous crime infested and breeding concept. was he making a derogatory term about latinos, that they are prone to breeding?

>> he's talking about the problem itself. >> what does breeding mean to this president? when you think of breeding, you think of animals breeding. populating -- >> i'm not going to begin to think what you think. certainly i think that it can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. but the president is talking about a growing problem, and i addressed that with jim. i don't have anything else to add. >> just to define what the president mend about breeding. to be specific. he's not talking about people having babies, yes? >> not that i'm aware of. i'd have to ask him to dig into that deeper. i just said not that i'm aware of, and i would have to ask him to be more specific. >> so, the president, according to sarah sanders there, is saying that in this context, the word breeding is synonymous with the word growing. we could find no record of the president using the word breeding that way. let's talk to former trump senior campaign adviser jason miller and bakary sellers. you hear sarah sanders saying

the president referred to the problem itself growing and getting bigger. that's what breeding concept meant. >> i think we have grown accustomed to sarah becoming a pretzel from the podium in attempting to meander her way in and out of situations. the president is president of the united states, not necessarily because of politics or policy, but i think it has a lot to do with cultural issues in this country. what he was going to was the heart of his base. what he was talking about, this breeding concept where you refer to animals that way. of course it was derogatory. this isn't anything new. and the reason that he's able to do this and harp on these issues because culturely, there are a large segment of this population are afraid of this country becoming browner. any time the president is able to go back and point that out and show the divides we have in this country, he proves to be successful with his base. i'm not outraged and want to flip the table over. this is par for the course. my job is to call him out on it. and the fact that he doesn't have the courage to stand up and

said, you know, simply, look, this is how i feel about people of color. like, y'all go out in dark places and breed. this is what you do. i mean, this is not about a growing concept. this is about showing that the country's becoming browner and places like california, he has an issue with that. >> jason, is breeding concept, as sarah sanders says, the problem is growing and getting bigger? >> keep in mind, this is last wednesday, almost a week ago, i think i saw it when the president tweeted it, exactly at that moment. my first reaction when i saw it, i thought he meant breeding contempt, and that was the phrase he was using there. i didn't think anything of it, moved on. i didn't see much news of it over the past five days and it pops up -- >> you thought the word concept was meant to be contempt. >> that was the first thought that i had. didn't think much anything of it and there wasn't a heck of a lot of news on it over the past five days and it pops back up and gets brought up in addition to jim and another reporter brought it up today, as well. but the president has brought up

sanctuary cities over and over. and specific to california, as we saw their senate just pass something to try to make the entire state a sanctuary state. so, this is something that the president has talked about on the campaign trail, it's something he's talked about -- probably a dozen tweets on sanctuary cities over the past week, two weeks alone. i have never heard the word use this charged language they think folks are trying to put in his mouth or make it sound like he's making some racist-type comment. i think he was offering commentary on sanctuary cities and then moved on. that's my opinion on it. >> this whole debate, this immigration debate, this debate around sanctuary cities, it's almost brilliant the way the president of the united states has enveloped this in a national security type apparatus that we're doing this to make sure that our citizens are safer. when in all honesty, that's not it at all. you can use racially charged language and envelope it in this larger argument when the fact

is, it was derogatory. with all due respect to my friend jason here, this breeding concept is not new. in fact, this is language that's ripped right out of white nationalist nazi sympathizers. this is not -- this is not a new phrase. i'm not calling the president that, but what i am saying is that simply, this phrase that he used is a direct -- it's there. it's that language, over and over again. so, whether or not he consciously used it or not, the fact, it's still a derogatory piece. >> we haven't seen the president use those two words next to each other. i've definitely heard him say breeding contempt before. again, don't know to this tweet specifically. he's talked about sanctuary cities over and over. the angel moms that would join him on the campaign trail or kate steinle's family. the issue of sanctuary cities and the disrespect for the rule of law was a major -- >> outright contempt for the rule of law is ironic.

>> when you talk about cultu culturally, the fact you have municipalities and now an entire state that is basically giving the middle finger to the rule of law like this, this was a big part of the reason why president trump won in 2016. >> honestly, and anderson, i'm sorry to belabor this, i don't believe this is a conversation about the rule of law at all. i think what he's able to do with his immigration language, his build a wall language, with his kick them out, this breeding contempt language, it all ties in together, because he's doing is, he's talking about one of the glaring issues we have in america. >> illegal immigration? >> race. people want to say all the time, i'm going to get this on twitter, stop playing the race card -- i'm not playing the race card, i'm black. i'm not playing a card. this is who i am. when the president uses derogatory terms and language, when he wraps this up in a policy ideal that is so transparent that we can see through it -- he's referring to people breeding like dogs on the

street. >> he doesn't use language like that. we have never heard him use language like that. yes, he talks about the wall, which i hope he builds it and i hope they get it from sea to shining sea except for maybe a couple of places. i hope he does something about sanctuary cities. i think it's disrespectful a state could move in that direction. i think it's an important issue. we're on opposite sides of this issue -- >> maybe we can protect dreamers -- >> call chuck and nancy -- >> we gave you $25 million. the president should not tweet if he was trying to say breeding contempt and said breeding concept. he has an onfully game -- >> i would say, don't come back at it and say this was some racially charged comment when that's not the way the president talks. >> we're going to take a break. coming up, after a deadly shooting at a waffle house in tennessee, the manhunt for the

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camera standups that we do. sure enough, this truck with a construction worker in it came speeding up to us. he said, i thought you were the law. sir what's going on? i just called the police because i thought i saw the suspect walking through our construction site and making his way into the woods. so, he called 911, he said, the guy's here, you should come and get him. he was wearing black pants and a red shirt. and so, sure enough, i said to him, do you want to go on camera, he said no. he was a little concerned about putting his face out there. as soon as he drove away, anderson, moments later, dozens of police cars came racing over there, racing down the street in front of us. lights and sirens blaring. they went up and they talked to that construction worker who directed them to a path inside that area and right into the woods and they all went into the woods, they split up in the wooded area and they were able to nab that suspect in the woods, anderson. so, they talked to the guy, and they certainly weren't -- >> sorry, go ahead.

>> reporter: no, they certainly weren't trying to hide the fact they were coming after him. they came with such a scene, they certainly weren't trying to sneak up on him. >> have you been able to learn anything about the victims from the shooting? >> reporter: yeah, we have, and it's important, because a lot of people are talking about the four people who died. two of them were killed outside the waffle house, two others killed inside. all of the victims were under 30 years old. waffle house employee torrian sanderland was killed outside, along with joe perez, who sent his mother a text message, the very last communication, saying, i love you. those killed inside were akilah dasi dasillva and deebony groves. a very sad day here in tennessee. >> a terrible tragedy, four people killed, all under 30 years old. could have been even worse, if not for the actions of james shaw jr., who wrestled the gun away from the shooter. james, at what point did you

realize something terrible was happening? >> probably when the glass was broken and shattered and there was dust in the air and i looked back and there was a gentleman right there beside the entrance of waffle house and he was laying down on the ground, he was no longer alive, and he shot again and that's when i jumped from my seat and kind of slid on the ground to the entrance of the bathroom. when he started shooting, i actually jumped and lunged towards the bathroom area, and i was actually looking at him and when he actually shot towards the bathroom area and i was actual lly grazed with a bulletn my upper right elbow. after that, i think he had to reload. i saw an opportunity to kind of take advantage of him, so, i ran through the door as fast as i could, and i hit him with the door and i kind of made him a little woozy, and he kind of let go of the gun, and then we was

tussling for the gun, kind of wrestling for it, he had it in one hand, and that's when i took it from him. >> people think about how they would react in a situation like this, but nobody knows until it actually happens. what was going through your mind, when you made the decis n decision, okay, looks like he's reloading, i'm going to do something? >> the only example i can give to you is, if you have ever almost drowned, and you're gasping for that air, that last bit of air, you don't think you're going to get it, it seems like it's going to take that long. so, in that second that i saw the barrel pointed down at the ground, it seemed like it was forever. i know i say it happened in a split second, which it did, but it seemed like it was forever, and in that time, i was like, i have to go now. so, i said, he's going to just have to work for this kill, and it luckily worked out in my favor. like, the gun was hot. he was naked. none of that mattered.

i can deal with nudity, i can deal with a hot gun. i got a blister on my hand. >> so, you grabbed the barrel of the gun and it was hot? >> yeah, after it had been discharged and it was very hot, but i didn't feel that then, i was just trying to get the gun away from him. >> there are some people who have asked if this could have been a racially motivated incident. was he using racial, you know, inappropriate racial words or just swear words? >> as far as i know, it was just swear words. all of it was a blur, like, literally all of it was a blur. >> i mean, do you consider yourself a hero? i sure do. >> heroes seem kind of like they're not touchable. if i'm looked at as a regular person, somebody else in this situation, they have that same thing within them that they can project out, also. >> james, i don't believe in naming the shooters in a case like this, in a mass shooting because i don't think history should remember that person's name, but i certainly hope history and everybody in this country remembers your name,

james shaw jr. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you so much for what you did and talking to us tonight. >> all right, you have a good one. >> remarkable guy. there's a go fund me page he set up for the victims and for those who have injuries from this shooting. there's breaking news in toronto. the death toll has risen to ten after a van flowed into pedestrians. what we know about the suspect in custody, next. reinking reinking.

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back to the investigation in toronto and the trauma after a driver used a rented van on pedestrians. at least 10 people have died, others are badly injured. we are joined from toronto. what do we know about this? what's the latest? >> reporter: anderson, what we just heard from federal and local reporters who gave us a full picture of what was carried out, the death toll went to 10. it was at nine, and that's because the injured appear to be in critical and serious condition. we also heard from authorities about the attacker himself. he was taken into custody without incident. they have identified the attacker. he's a 25-year-old from richmond hill which is about half an hour from here. they did provide the name. as you know, anderson, we will not be reporting that name, but they say this is not a name, contrary to some earlier reporting, that was in their files. right now they are not calling this a terror attack.

they are saying it is not a threat to national security. there is no indication that there are any other attacks that are in the works, and they are not raising the terror threat level. now, they are offering a better picture of how this unfolded this afternoon. it took some 26 minutes from start to finish starting at just 1:26 p.m. anderson, this is one of the biggest streets in the country. young street at 1:26 p.m. today. it would have been bustling with people going to lunch, the driver driving southbound on this side and really plowing into people. we heard from witnesses who described the scene as a nightmare, as pandemonium, saying the driver was going as fast as 40 or 50 miles an hour as he was ramming into people. anderson? >> have police spoken to the possible motive of this person? we've seen that video that's extraordinary of after it was done of the man basically

holding up -- i'm not sure, i think what it was, holding it up toward a police officer and then drawing it several times almost as if he wanted to be shot by the police officer. >> reporter: yeah, that's the big question right now, what is the motive, and some speculate he was looking for a suicide by a cop, as they call it. the authorities have not said that, but you're absolutely right, that is some incredible video at 1:52. so 26 minutes, as i mentioned, after this attack started, the police did manage to corner the attacker. they got him out of the car. you see him pointing something at the police. they say it was not a gun, however, the attacker claimed that he had a gun. the police said, we will shoot you if you don't put it down. they managed to get the attacker on the ground and handcuff him without firing a shot. so we're showing remarkable restraint. let's just show you some of that video. >> get down! no, get down! get down!

get down! >> reporter: but no, anderson, there's been no declared motive right now. as we mentioned, right now they don't think it was a terror attack. there has been no claim of responsibility, but when you see an attack like this, of course it dredges up those horrific memories of where there have been very similar attacks, nice, barcelona and london last year. the former first lady barbara bush's husband, george h.w. bush, is in intensive care. the latest from houston, ahead. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream.

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