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fbi. the president telling fox news even after 12 years, cohen is just not all that important. >> let me just tell you that michael is in business. he's really a businessman. a fairly big business as i understand it. i don't know his business. but this doesn't have to do with me. michael is a businessman. he's got a business. he also practices law -- >> mr. president, how much of your legal work was handled by michael cohen? >> well, a percentage of my overall legal work, a tiny, tiny little fraction. but michael would represent me and represent me on some things -- >> a tiny, tiny little fraction, as he said it. this appears to undermine the argument being made by cohen's lawyers, that he is trump's personal attorney, and therefore they shouldn't get to look at all the stuff that they raided because it's protected by attorney-client privilege. this position of personal attorney is one that cohen has held for more than a decade. it's why he was in court today

arguing that these documents seized from body his home and office are protected. it's that attorney-client privilege. here's the thing, though. if the president is the one telling the truth and it's just not that significant, cohen did a tiny little fraction of the work, then why is the president so consumed with the fbi raid on cohen? apoplectic tweeting, attorney-client privilege is dead, and now they do the unthinkable and raid a lawyer's office for information, bad. so could it be that cohen, seen here as you see on your screen a short time ago today, is more than just a bit player on trump's legal team? once upon a time, the president himself was very eager to say just that. let's roll the tape. >> michael cohen is a very talented lawyer, a good lawyer in my firm. michael is my attorney. so i just heard that they broke into the office one of my personal attorneys. >> that is exactly the way michael cohen has described his

relationship with the president over the years. >> i'm going to be the personal attorney to mr. trump. >> how many times a day would you say you're in touch with donald trump? >> a lot. a lot. and most of it is really on business-related matters. >> and an anecdote from cohen's lawyer here "outfront" may be worth a million words. >> believe me, michael cohen got calls at 3:00 in the morning, michael and i would be at dinner, the boss would be calling him all the time. >> the boss, of course, lest there be confusion, donald trump. cohen's loyalty to the president may matter to trump's presidency. and there are questions as to just how many slams from the president cohen can take. on top of the fox interview today with the president minimizing cohen "the wall street journal" reporting tonight that cohen complained about being excluded from white house posts. struggling to get trump's attention. and there are other signs of trump's disrespect of cohen that go way back. in 2012, the "journal" reports

the president was late to cohen's son's bar mitzvah. "after mr. trump arrived he gave a speech telling guests he hadn't planned to come but relented after mr. cohen had repeatedly called him, his secretary, and his children, begging him to appear." humiliating. so could this, the president's latest insult, cohen did just a tiny, tiny fraction of legal work for him, be the final straw? pamela brown is "outfront" live at the white house. what was the reaction at the white house to this frankly freewheeling stream of consciousness interview, like out of james joyce from the president today? >> it was really a throwback to the campaign when the president would do these types of interviews. and i can tell you that plenty of presidential aides were watching the interview this morning. one official telling my colleague jim acosta that many of the aides winced at some of the president's comments, particularly when he talked about the russia investigation, robert mueller, saying that at some point he'll make changes at the justice department. some of the aides view those

comments as unhelpful. but another official i spoke with tried to put a positive spin on all of this, erin, saying that it was a good forum for the president. this is something that he wanted to do, that he's his own best messenger, rather than a spokesman talking for him, that he really enjoyed it. you saw that reflected in the tweets just in the last hour where he tweeted, loved being on "fox and friends" this morning, great show. but just within the several hours after that interview, it's already created potential legal problems for the president. in the court filing, u.s. prosecutors in new york use the president's own words against him when he said that michael cohen has only done a tiny little fraction of his legal work to make the case that the documents seized in that raid, that most of them were not covered under privilege. >> all right, pamela, thank you very much. pamela is saying the president said he had a great time with the interview today, seems bob mueller might have too. john dean is with me now, president nixon's white house counsel during watergate.

harry sandeck, former u.s. assistant attorney for the southern district of new york. patrick healey, politics editor for "the new york times." will the president's words come back to haunt him today? the words today come back to haunt him later? >> well, as you alluded, they did come back and haunt him today. with the filing in court where they were able to use the interview he gave this morning in court this morning on this issue of appointing a special master. so i think, yes, i think all this is going to come back and haunt him. we don't know exactly where mueller's going or the southern district is going. but he's just putting too much out there. and he's very defensive in the way he's doing it. >> you know, harry, i want to play again one of the operative lines here, what the president said today about michael cohen, here he is. >> well, there's a percentage of my overall legal work, a tiny, tiny little fraction. but michael would represent me and represent me on some things -- >> that tiny, tiny little

fraction. literally he said that this morning. on fox news. and then federal prosecutors took it, put it in their filing, and said, hey, if it's a tiny, tiny little fraction, clearly these documents we seized are unlikely to contain voluminous privileged documents, so i guess we should be able to get them all and there should be no restrictions at all. did he do damage today? >> i think he did do some damage today. he stepped on his lawyers' feet. they've been saying for the last couple of weeks over and over again this raises the serious privilege issues and they need to go to the unusual, novel procedures to protect the president's rights. and here the president is saying, actually, not so much. >> i don't have any rights, he didn't do anything for me. >> exactly. >> i mean, it's pretty incredible, patrick. >> yeah, pretty incredible. this is donald trump to a "t." >> rudy giuliani would have recommended -- >> rudy giuliani and donald trump both like to go on television and just believe that whatever they say is obviously the truth and that the base

wants to hear it. donald trump spent decades calling into radio shows, loved doing "howard stern," different networks. when he was running for president, some of the most fun he had was on the sunday shows when he never went on like other guests but he would call in from the desk. he would just go on and on and on. now he likes to do it with a place like "fox and friends" which doesn't ask any kind of challenging questions. but his ability to step in it and undermine himself is great here. >> he didn't need a challenging question to step in it, that's the amazing thing. >> he believes he's his best communications director, best political strategist, now his best lawyer. >> so john, in this interview this morning it wasn't just that he said cohen wasn't that important, which puts this attorney-client privilege thing in question. he also then clearly said, cohen represented him on the quote stormy daniels deal, let's let the president say his own words. >> he represents me like with this crazy stormy daniels deal.

he represented me. and you know, from what i see, he did absolutely nothing wrong. there were no campaign funds going into -- >> then why is -- >> okay, john, look, the president wasn't named in the nda, wasn't named in the money deal, they said he knows nothing about it so how would he know what funds were used, in fact the man on this was david dennison. did trump admit today to knowing about the deal at the time? did he open himself up here or not? >> i don't think he outright confessed it. that he was knowledgeable about the deal. but he certainly implied it in the way he phrased his distancing himself from his lawyer and what his lawyer was doing. you know, these are the sort of things that at some point, a lawyer's going to have a lot of fun cross examining the president on these issues. and there are -- there will probably be more before that day comes and there are probably some we're not even thinking of. >> harry this crazy stormy

daniels deal. he represents me, like with this crazy stormy daniels deal, he represented me. we've got a tense change in there, which could end up being significant. >> which is different from what he said and others have said in the days leading up to this. there's conventional wisdom if you're in a high-stakes civil litigation, a target, a witness, a subject of a criminal investigati investigation, you don't talk. that's for a reason, because people who talk often find themselves in a worse situation, where there are inconsistent statements that you've introduced, and later on a fact finder, a judge or jury, will say, was he right then? was he right this time? was he right that time? maybe i shouldn't believe anything this person says. >> then the president continued today to basically say, all right, if cohen did something wrong, not my problem. >> right. >> didn't vouch for his character or anything, just not my problem, i wouldn't know about it. basically michael cohen has his own businesses and that's over there. here's what he said. >> you've got businesses. from what i understand, they're looking at his businesses. and i hope he's in great shape.

but he's got businesses. and his lawyers probably told him to do that. but i'm not involved and i'm not -- i've been told i'm not involved. >> okay, but cohen worked for the trump organization. in fact, the e-mails they've seized that he says all of sean hannity's communications are, are going to be on the trump organization e-mail. stormy daniels' case had e-mail on this that. of course, that was the president's organization. >> right, whenever this gets into deep discovery, there's going to be ability to talk to so many people who have been on the other end of a phone call or an e-mail from michael cohen representing donald trump. all of us in the media knew that the way to get to donald trump, the way to talk about issues, was to go through michael cohen. people in business, people in law, people in real estate. michael cohen was -- fixer is a very good word for him. that is sort of who you really went through. >> he could get the message. it was him and ronner. >> here's the thing what you're seeing with president trump in

this interview, part of him really does want to talk to robert mueller because he thinks that if he can just explain things, this certitude he has, if he can explain things, everyone will get it. this is a dry run and it just makes you realize, boy, he's really creating problems for himself. >> here, look, cohen has said he'll take a bullet for the president, he said that. privately to people he has expressed frustration with some of the things the president may have done at times. in the "wall street journal" tonight, this bar mitzvah story, after saying he'd attend mr. cohen's bar admits value in 2012, he was late, the blessings below played. he gave a speech telling guests he hadn't planned to come but relented after mr. cohen repeatedly called him, his office, his children, begging him to attend. the guests laughed because it was realistic sounding. the journal continues with a story from the inauguration. during the inaugural festivities mr. cohen and his guests weren't given priority access to the

festives, noting the hurt was visible on mr. cohen's face. he was always just at the edges. you've work in the the southern district of new york. when you hear stories like this, and this is just a few of many, is this a guy you could get to turn on that guy? >> you would absolutely wrap this into your pitch. your initial pitch is, you're facing a lot of time, you're going to go to jail. if there are personal things you can use to say, hey, this person you're cooperating against, don't hesitate, don't hold back, this person doesn't have you in their best interests, this person pulled you into this mess, now they're going to abandon you, you need to look out for yourself. these kinds of stories, the bar admits value and the inauguration, three or four others in that article, they are very good fodder. >> also it's when president trump, when donald trump needed michael cohen on his own terms, on trump's own terms, cohen was there like that. i mean, whenever trump needed to call him, that was it. now you're seeing, well, this is what the guy -- in the what the president thought of me? that hurts. >> all right, thank you all.

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with a focus on customized insights. so you and your company are ready for today. tonight the epa administrator scott pruitt is fighting to keep his job. the question now is, did he lie about when he learned the fat raises given to two epa employees? he was under oath today. and he appeared before congress. and he was asked about the $80,000 raises. >> i was not aware of the amount, nor was i -- >> were you aware of the raises? >> not the amount, nor was i aware of the bypassing or the ppo process not being respected. >> not aware of the amount. but it did appear he was aware of the raises. which flies in the face what was he told fox news on april 4th. >> i found out about this yesterday. and i corrected the actions. >> you didn't know they got these large pay raises? >> i did not know until

yesterday. >> this comes on the same day trump's nominee to head the department of veterans affairs, ryan jackson, withdrew his nomination after reports he'd been drinking on the job and handing out prescription drugs, including an opioid. and cia pick gina haskell's nomination is in jeopardy as critics cite ties to harsh interrogation techniques after 9/11. national affairs correspondent for "the nation" joan walsh joins me, along with former economic advisor to trump, steven moore. these, changes went on and on. first it was, i didn't know about the raises. then it was, well, okay, fine, but i didn't know about the amount. obviously he was much more definitive in his interview before with fox news. which is it? he didn't know about them at all? or he did know about them but didn't know the amount? do you know? >> i don't know. but i would say this, i think what's going on in washington, d.c. in the last couple of months has just been disgraceful. i mean, it's basically character

assassination of one good person after another. what happened to ronnie jackson, i think people are just so horrified by this kind of treatment. and you know, look, let's be very clear about why liberals are going -- putting up this fight against scott pruitt. because he doesn't drink the kool-aid of climate change. and he doesn't believe in this religion. and because of that, they are trying to destroy him. look, i don't know, i do know scott pruitt, i knew him when he was in oklahoma. i think he's a good man, honorable man. people don't like him on the left because he's pro-american energy development. i think i truly think that that's what this story is all about. >> joan? >> nobody on the left made scott pruitt install a $43,000 phone booth, cone of silence in his office, steve. nobody made him travel first class. nobody made him first tell ed henry one story about a set of

pretty extreme raises, and now tell a committee the other story. you had greg walden, a conservative republican, today criticizing scott pruitt. nobody on the left is making him do this. i'm surprised you're taking this tack. because it's as though you can't find a guy who's tough on climate change or pro-drilling who doesn't have these kinds of ethical problems. he has ethical problems -- >> wait a minute, wait a minute. joan, how many people in the media even batted an eye when gene mccarthy was spending millions to go to -- over to paris for the -- all over the world for these posh places for these climate change conferences that cost 10, 100 times more than the money that is supposed to have been misappropriated by scott pruitt. i mean, it's like comparing an ant with an elephant in terms of the money that was misappropriated by the previous administration -- >> i think we've had these sequential revelations about high spending on the taxpayers' dime about -- >> you didn't answer my

question, joan. what about all the money that was spent in paris? what about the millions of dollars that were spent in bobbi kristina? >> i'll look that up and get back to you. >> millions and millions of dollars. >> she was doing the people business, so my knowledge, not flying first class, to my knowledge she did not sit at $70,000 desks -- >> they sent hundreds of people to paris, they went to every one of these climate change conferences at these posh resorts. >> that's completely, completely separate. >> why do you have to spend so much money on that stuff? nobody batted an eye about it. >> hold on we haven't brought up any of this travel. the security in italy, the trip to morocco. if you're going to take travel out, fine. the desk, the sound proof booth, the fake lights on top of his car and saying he has to go faster, all those other things that have nothing to do with it. >> all of that adds up to 1/1000th of what mccarthy spent to go to paris for the cly mad accord treaties. >> if gina mccarthy did anything

wrong, i promise trey gowdy and jason chaffetz would have called her in front of their committees for endless, endless hearings. >> i don't think this kind of character assassination was going on -- >> oh my god. did you pay attention to those committees? >> what happened yesterday with the -- >> steve, hold on a second. i want to -- pruitt was under oath today. so look, there's a consequence to lying. and he was asked by democrats and republicans all these questions. money spent. deals he got on housing, that below market rent he paid. otherth things questions -- >> $1,500 a month is below? >> $6,000 is the average in that area, so yes. >> way below average, my god. >> here's the thing. here's these answers. let's just play them and give you a chance to respond. >> henor was i aware of the bypassing -- i don't have knowledge about that, congressman. i'm not aware what was you're referring to, congressman. i'm not aware of that ever happening. i was not aware of one of those individuals even seeking a pay raise. i was not aware it was $13,000, $8,000, $43,000.

it could have been used in that instant, i'm just not aware. >> is that okay, steve? >> how many other cabinet secretaries in the obama administration had to go through this kind of thing? i mean, look, this is a -- this is the head of the epa. he is doing exactly what donald trump wants his epa director to be doing in terms of promoting american energy, promoting american oil and gas and coal, he's creating jobs. he's cleaned up more toxic waste dumps and more superfund sites per year than -- way more than obama did. >> i find what hard to believe. >> yes. because the reason is all gina mccarthy cared about was climate change, they didn't care about other environmental issues like clean air, clean water, toxic waste dumps, they dare ethey ca climate change. >> eric he'der, hillary clinton, people were brought before investigative committees for the slightest, slightest infraction.

so this notion that no one paid attention to the obama administration is just ridiculous. and the point is right now -- >> they weren't taken from office, though. >> this administration has an ethics problem and earth to, if scott pruitt worked for barack obama, he would be gone. but he's not rising to the level of scandal for this president. >> thank you both very much. next, the attorney general suggests he wants the russia probe to end. is that appropriate from someone who has recused himself from the russia investigation? plus breaking news, the white house releasing new images of the historic meeting between kim jong-un and mike pompeo. there it is, that's pyongyang, there they are together. it comes as kim is moments away from coming in on the south korean side of that dmz. first time in 65 years the north korean leader has done so.

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insisting james comey got it all wrong about trump's 2013 trip to moscow for the miss universe pageant. >> russia really wanted it -- >> reporter: sure, trump says, i stayed in russia overnight. >> of course i stayed. well, his memo said i left immediately. i never said that. i never said i left immediately. >> reporter: the problem, comey says he met privately with trump twice, immediately wrote notes about what was said, and each time he, trump, explained he hadn't stayed overnight in russia during the miss universe trip. the very night the infamous dossier claims he was cavorting with prostitutes, a dossier cnn has not corroborated. >> look, comey is a leaker and he's a liar. >> reporter: so between the conflicting accounts, is there any reason for trump to have apparently changed his story? yes. a flood of facts has now proved he was in russia overnight at that time. bloomberg obtained flight logs showing the private plane trump used landed in russia on a

friday evening and headed back home very early sunday morning. social media posts show trump around moscow the day after his arrival. and congressional testimony by one of trump's security guards and comments by a pageant host also make it clear the new york billionaire spent at least one full night in russia. all of that piqued comey's interest. >> it's always significant when someone lies to you. especially about something you're not asking about. it tends to reflect a consciousness of guilt as we would say in law enforcement. >> reporter: a potential consciousness of guilt that could be of interest to special counsel robert mueller. >> what it opens the door to is what the president does not want, which is further curiosity on the part of the special counsel. that's exactly what's going on in the mueller team's mind right now, why would the president have been so eager to distance himself from, frankly, a hard to believe circumstance? >> reporter: the president has always denied the salacious

story about prostitutes, and to be sure there has been zero public proof that it is true. but when an fbi boss, even a fired one, starts saying that a president is changing his story, in this town, that gets scrutiny. >> sure does. as james comey says, anybody changing their story when no one even asks for the story to begin with, he finds suspect. obviously these two, no love lost. thank you very much, tom foreman. "outfront" now, democratic senator richard blumenthal, member of the judiciary veterans affairs and armed services committee. this inconsistency, whether or not the president spent a full night in russia, we have friday night apparently he was there, saturday he left at 3:48 a.m., that could go either way. but he obviously, according to jim comey, said he didn't spend the night there. the records show that he did. you heard the legal analysts who had represented the former deputy campaign manager, rick gates, say that mueller will care about this. how significant could this be if this really is a flip-flop,

tells one thing to james comey, and now another? >> it could be significant. as part of the mosaic. a piece in that picture. because it does reflect consciousness of guilt or criminal intent, which is extraordinarily important in an obstruction of justice case. i think there's a credible case of obstruction right now against the president of the united states. >> why do you think the president would have, according to james comey -- if his version is true, bring it up to james comey multiple times, and specifically say, i didn't spend the night in russia? when he did? >> the president has been extraordinarily sensitive about his ties to russia. that's an understatement. he has minimized the relationship with putin. he has basically denied that he had any business dealings with russia, when in fact michael cohen went there in an attempt to develop a hotel. there are allegations.

they are as yet unproven. that there was money laundering through deutsche bank involving russia. he has refused to place sanctions on russia, despite congress overwhelmingly mandating -- >> bipartisan, yeah. >> so the ties to russia are very important in donald trump's mind. and that's the reason why consciousness of guilt and potential criminal intent are reflected in this denial without any prompting of spending another night there. >> right. now in his interview on fox news this morning the president said several times, they might get involved with the doj. of course the doj, bob mueller's investigation resides within the doj, right? mueller reporting to rod rosenstein. here's the president on fox news. >> i'm very disappointed in my justice department. but because of the fact that it's going on, and i think you'll understand this, i have decided that i won't be involved. i may change my mind at some point. because what's going on is a

disgrace. and our justice department, which i try and stay away from, but at some point i won't. >> is there a threat? >> a very ominous and threatening kind of statement to make about his own justice department. a threat to the people there. the special investigator. and it is one of the reasons, erin, why the judiciary committee today voted 14-7 to report to the florida senate favorably a measure that will protect the special counsel. i worked for months on this measure. the president's mounting threats have created a clear and urgent imperative we protect the special counsel. >> clear and urgent imperative, your words. do republicans agree with you? >> some definitely do. >> in private? >> four of them voted for this measure. to his great credit, senator grassley in a very thoughtful and reasonable way negotiated with us to overcome some of his concerns. we worked hard and deliberate in the way the senate is supposed to do.

and i think there is a mounting sense of alarm and apprehension on the republican as well as the democratic side. >> you're on veterans affairs, ronnie jackson withdrew his bid today, obviously with the allegations that were out there, unproven, and without name. they were anonymous. but there were more than 23 people who had made such allegations. the president was asked if he had any idea now who's next, who he's going to nominate, nearly 400,000 people who work for the b.a., the second-most important important in the united states, here's what the president said. >> you but i better not give it. maybe my next call. i think we're going to have somebody great. >> so he has an idea but i'm not going to give it, maybe next call, we'll have somebody great. do you have any idea who it is? he's got somebody ready? >> i have no idea, nor does any one of my republican colleagues, but it should be someone great, it should be worthy of our nation's heroes, veterans who were served by the second-largest agency facing rear managerial challenge. rear admiral jackson should

never have been nominated. and the white house bungled the vetting and review. and then it fumbled the defense. what it has to do now is make sure this next nominee has the character and ability, as well as integrity, to be the best possible secretary of the v.a. by the way, there was no partisanship among any of those 23 men and women in uniform, and retired military, who came forward. they risked their careers. they exemplify the best of patriotism. >> you have no problem with the fact that none of them were named? >> they probably would have come forward had there been a hearing. i actually -- >> you think they would have? >> i think some of them would have come forward. i believe that their allegations were substantiated by records. the white house refused to provide those records. they rejected our request for some of the ig reports. >> interesting. >> and the documents and

evidence essentially were denied to us. and i think that reflects the white house's own failures. >> interesting that you thought some of them should have and indeed they would have, had this moved forward. thank you so much, senator bluken that will. breaking news, history in the making. you're looking at it here. moments from now. these are live pictures. this is south korea. this is usually empty road going up to the dmz. kim jong-un is traveling there. historic sit-down. this meeting next. breaking tonight, bill cosby, he's free tonight, $1 million bail but he is at home. he was found guilty of sexual assault. is prison next?

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breaking news. new photos, mike pompeo meeting with kim jong-un, the leader of north korea. these are new photos just released from the white house. we are moments away bright now from kim making history. these are live pictures of the south korean president moon's motorcade heading to the border. it's usually very empty road, four lanes on each side. now you can see this giant motorcade heading up. kim for his part will be the first north korean leader to cross into the south since the korean warm armistice 65 years ago. it is an incredible moment. "outfront," ian brown, president and founder of the you're rare sha group, author of "us versus them: the failure of globalism."

"or "the u.s. versus them." this meeting between pompeo and kim, these pictures coming out, history-making moment was not planned. it happened earlier this month in pyongyang. when you see these pictures what do you see between these men? >> looks like a dove between the two of them in a background. it looked that way from both sides. if that's the case, certainly the north koreans planned that. the americans, the fact that they had pompeo meet with kim jong-un, the fact that pompeo made no demands of the north koreans before an actual summit, means that the americans want this meeting to happen. the north koreans want this meeting to happen. it's a big plus for their leader to be legitimatized by the americans. it's a big plus for trump to be the first leader, american president, ever to meet with a north korean leader. that's a very big deal. so i think the meeting's going to happen. and on balance i think the meeting's going to go well. >> so look, kim's going to walk over tonight in just moments to the south korean side, right? of the dmz. it's incredible to imagine for anyone who's been there, you,

me, others to imagine the 1950s scene of those blue u.n. houses and imagine kim jong-un walking over that border. yet this morning on fox the president said that his meeting with trump, this upcoming meeting you're referring to, he tried to throw out, oh, maybe that won't happen. >> it could be that i walk out quickly. with respect. but it could be. it could be that maybe the meeting doesn't even take place. who knows? >> he has no control over it, obviously. i mean, we don't have any -- >> his meeting with kim, though. >> right. >> you think that's all bluff? >> i think it's going to happen, but if you're trump right now, it's smart to recognize that the meeting might not happen. right? i mean, we're talking about the world's only totalitarian state. we call it the hermit kingdom. it's not like we have intel on what's going on. >> fair. >> i wouldn't make too much out of that. i will tell you one thing, this meeting, this summit that's about to happen, is the first major piece of unmitigatedly good geopolitical news in the world we've had all year.

we should actually do a little victory lap. like something is actually moving in a more positive direction. >> and it's incredible. in your book you write about trump and the pop latest wave he rode to the white house, talking tough on north korea was one of the things, he continued to do that as president with the fire and fury and little rocket man stuff. a recent poll, 66% of people, according to quinnipiac, approve of this meeting between trump and kim. split democrat and republican as you might expect. 89% of republicans approve, 42% of democrats. will that change, though? because as you say, it is a good thing. >> trump's done things that are popular. when trump decided to bomb the syrians. the first time around, when obama didn't hit him for chemical weapons. second time with the french and the brits. that's popular. when he says, i want to get 2,000 troops out of syria, that's a populist move that most americans, enlisted men and women, voted for trump. they didn't vote for clinton because they want an end to these forever wars. it's not as if everything trump

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comedian assaulted andrea constand in 2004. >> i am so happy today that i can say although justice was delayed it was not denied. it took a lot of courage for her to come pack and to do this. >> reporter: cosby was on trial for drugging and sex well assaulting constand at his home in pennsylvania in 2004. cosby who became known as america's dad first faced charges for the attack in 2015 after a deposition from constand's 2005 civil case against cosby was unsealed in which he admitted to giving q qualuds to women he wanted to have sex with. the second trial started just three weeks ago and with it some big changes. and tom mesaro -- also five additional accusers were allowed

to testify against cosby including former super model janice dickinson, instead of just one additional accuser during his previous trial. district attorney kevin steele brought to tears by his conviction of cosby. >> i was watching what they did. >> reporter: before thanking the dozens of other accusers. >> through this whole process has been a lot of other courageous women who are willing to stand up and tell their stories about being drugged or sex wal assaulted or raped. >> reporter: cosby's attorneys say they are not giving up. >> we are very disappointed by the verdict. we don't think mr. cosby's guilty of anything and the fight is not over. >> reporter: that disappointment also expressed by cosby in a shocking courtroom outburst. after the da pushed to put the

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tonight what happens when the stream of consciousness the president calls into his favorite news show? here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: like a run away train. >> it's an absolute disgrace and i've been told i'm not involved. i say that at speeches, remember? >> reporter: the president's stream of consciousness went speeding down the track but the president was unstoppable. >> a lot of people say no, it was close, but the unemployment picture is the best its been. you keep your sanity and it works very well. but last night i did watch a liar leaker. >> reporter: the daily show described it as when grandpa's telling the same story again and you can't get him off the phone. >> the co-host even tried to collectively interject. >> actually gave the questions.

>> craw, but don't worry about them. >> well, think of. >> mr. president, okay we're running out of time. >> reporter: at least no one said. >> excuse me, excuse me. excuse me. >> reporter: but maybe the host should have. >> mr. president -- >> you know, the economy is so strong. >> reporter: finally they resorted to the oldest trick in the book to get the president off the phone, telling him he's too busy to keep talking to them. >> we talked to you all day but it looks like you have a million things to do, but i hope you could join us again. >> reporter: the president had time to talk but not to shop on melania's 48th birthday he admitted maybe i didn't get her so much. flowers and a card. but who needs to run out for flowers. >> well, it outurns out i've goa rose garden. >> reporter: still president trump better ask his wife to.

>> excuse me. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> that's got to hurt. thanks for joining us. don't forget you can watch out front any time anywhere. ac 360 with anderson begins right now. good evening. i've got to tell you it is frankly hard to know where to begin tonight. president trump's pick to run the va steps aside in a cloud of allegations which he denies. a jury convicts bill cosby a man once known as america's dad of drugging and sexually assaulting one of his accusers and the president making a key admission in the stormy daniels matter and suggesting he's thinking about forcing the justice department to drop the russia investigation and start prosecuting his political opponents. and also for the first time in a decade the leaders of north and south korea are about to meet. we're going to start with