>> excuse me. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> that's got to hurt. thanks for joining us. don't forget you can watch out front any time anywhere. ac 360 with anderson begins right now. good evening. i've got to tell you it is frankly hard to know where to begin tonight. president trump's pick to run the va steps aside in a cloud of allegations which he denies. a jury convicts bill cosby a man once known as america's dad of drugging and sexually assaulting one of his accusers and the president making a key admission in the stormy daniels matter and suggesting he's thinking about forcing the justice department to drop the russia investigation and start prosecuting his political opponents. and also for the first time in a decade the leaders of north and south korea are about to meet. we're going to start with the president's phone in to fox news

including michael cohen and the hush agreement cohen arranged with stormy daniels. keeping them honest on both matters the president today seems to have it both ways. michael cohen trying to handle the material the fbi seized from his office, and hotel room, some of it to do with daniels. at the time remember the president went ballistic. he sent attorneys to argue in essence that he and cohen had legally been binded at the hip for years. an agreement that cohen's attorney david schwartz has said that the president knew nothing about, an agreement he claims michael cohen did on his own with his own money because he's so loyal to mr. trump. this morning on fox and friends president trump did serious bodily harm to both those

claims. one, that he's got a close attorney-client relationship with michael cohen, and two he knew nothing about michael cohen hushing up stormy daniels. >> yesterday through his attorney he's going to be taking the fifth. what's your reaction to that being that you worked with him for a couple of decades as your attorney? >> ryan you know michael. michael's been on your show a lot. good person. let me just tell you that michael is -- in business he's really a businessman, and fairly big business as i understand it. i don't know his business, but this doesn't have to do with me. michael is a businessman. he's got a business. he also practiced his law, i would say probably the big thing is his business. and they're looking to something to do with his bhchz i have nothing to do with his business. i can tell you he's a big guy --

sadly, i have so many attorneys you wouldn't believe. >> mr. president, how much of your legal work was handled by michael cohen? >> well, there's a percentage of my overall legal work a tiny, tiny little fraction. but michael would represent me and represent me on some things. he represents me like with this crazy stormy daniels deal he represented me. and, you know, from what i see he did absolutely nothing wrong. >> so michael cohen is just a guy he says, a guy who sometimes practices law, a tiny fraction of president trump's legal work. at the same time his attorneys are arguing to keep as much trump-cohen material as they can away from investigators because there's such a close attorney-client relationship there. lawyers actually his the president's words against him in court because how sharply his words cut the attorney-client claim. however complicated their

relationship is now have had a long professional relationship. cohen was until recently executive vice president of the trump organization and fixer, his ray donovan, something he was quite proud of. >> i protect mr. trump. that's what it is. if there's an issue thatrelates to mr. trump that is of concern to him, it's of course of concern to me. and i will use my legal skills within which to protect mr. trump to the best of my ability. >> and in that capacity less than two weeks before the election michael cohen has claimed all on his own he arranged a six figure payment to stormy daniels and all without the president's knowledge to keep candidate trump as far away from scandal as possible. the claim this was done on the president's behalf without his knowledge to keep him at arm's length from it, today on fox the president put a dent in any

deniability he may have had. meantime today the parties were in court. explain what exactly she'll do and who she is. >> reporter: well, anderson, barbara jones is the name of this former federal judge who will serve as a special master in this case. she served on the bench for about 17 years, appointed to that position by president bill clinton in 1995. she has a lot of experience here in the southern district. she has a lot of experience with white collar crime. and really her position, her appointment was applauded on all sides. basically what she's going to be doing is reviewing those documents that were seized in the raid of michael cohen's home, his offices and also his hotel room and really decide if attorney-client privilege is an issue here, could it be compromised? once she makes that final decision, she will then move those documents over to investigators so they can continue the criminal investigation that is going on into michael cohen's business

practices. >> and is the appointment of a special master, is it a win for either side here? >> reporter: it's really not a win or lose for either side. if you remember michael cohen emphasis attorneys wanted a special master from the very beginning. the government was opposed to it. then really right before this hearing happened this afternoon the government rescinded their objection, basically saying they were okay with appointing a special master. basically citing in part president trump's tirade on fox news. you played it there for your viewers. basically the government said we've said all along he's not been -- trump and cohen have not really had a ton of legal work amongst themselves, so there's really not a lot of privileged document here. so really if you think about it the government is little bit happy in this in the hope this special master will speed up this process so the

investigation i continue. we certainly knew there were a lot of documents, a lot of electronics that were seized in that raid of michael cohen. but we learned really in detail that seven or eight boxes have now been turned over to michael cohen's attorneys for their review. and today rather four cellphones, one ipad was included in what was turned over. and then tomorrow another 12 cellphones and ipads are also expected to be turned over. and in the future, anderson, even more electronics are expected to be turned over to cohen's attorneys after they are able to get some information off of those devices. so it really gives you an idea of the scope how many electronics were seized in this fbi raid. >> again, stormy daniels' attorney has an interest in the materials seized from michael cohen. he joins us now. i was wondering what was going through your mind when you

listen today the president this morning on fox and friends. because for weeks we have heard from representatives of michael cohen in print interviews, say he did this all on hez own, the president didn't know about it, it was all from his home equity line of credit. the president didn't need to sign a contract. it was a deal between michael cohen and stormy daniels. today the president seemed to indicate, and i guess there's some wiggle room in how you interpret it, but seemed to indicate michael cohen represents him in the stormy daniels matter and represented him in the stormy daniels matter. >> i think he punched a hole big enough to drive a mack truck through, honestly. and all i could think about was sitting in this very chair on a number of nights on this show during which david schwartz. >> an attorney in another matter. >> appeared on this show and debated me and constantly

asserted on your show and countless other shows that michael cohen did this on his own, mr. trump knew nothing of the fwreeagreement and nothing e payment. then you have the air force comments and you have the comments today. when i heard it i thought it was a dream because i couldn't even fathom the president would go on fox and friends and make these assertions which are directly contrary to everything we've heard over the last six or seven weeks. >> does it affect your case at all? i know the lawyers for the government were already using this in court today. >> well, they used it and we also used it this afternoon when we had a filing in our cases. so it strengthens our case in the following ways. first of all, i think it makes it much more likely we're going to dee able depose the president in connection to our case because now we be contrary statements. contra contrary statements by michael cohen and the president on air force one and the comments this

morning. they all can't be true. it's impossible. so we're going to argue this further strengthens the foundation for our motion to take a deposition of the president. so it certainly strengthens it in that regard. it also strengthens our case in that mr. trump trying to claim he didn't know anything about this agreement, in our case is going to be completely undercut by his statements to fox and friends. >> some legal experts talking to "the washington post" said that you could read the president's statement -- and i want to get this right -- as him implying that it's likely cohen could have done this on his behalf without saying he definitely did this on behalf. do you shade it that way? >> no, i don't shade it that way at all. i think the president is making it up as he goes along. i think michael cohen has made it up as gone along, and this is what happens. you can't keep the fraudulent facts straight and you trip up. and that's exactly what we saw today. >> the president also seemed to throw michael cohen under the

bus. he said he's a good guy, but mostly he's a businessman, and he's a lawyer as well. but he only does in the sum total of mr. trump's legal needs, he only does a tiny, tiny fraction. that does seem to argue against what the president's attorneys and what michael cohen's attorneys have been arguing in court saying their attorney-client relationship is so deep and wide. fafgt, he's just one of three clients. and the other client, shawn hannity, has said no it's just some conversations. and the other one has said it's a republican donor who had a hush agreement. >> let's assume moments before the fox and friends interview, anderson, the sphere of attorney-client privilege documents was this big, okay? immediately after that interview it shrunk to this big. which means that everything else that's now excluded will be free game for government investigators, prosecutors and perhaps us in our case for discoverability. meaning we're going to give you a chance to look at these

documents. that is major blow to the defense of michael cohen and potentially the president in the criminal matter as well as in our case. it was beyond stupid for him to go on fox and friends to make those comments. he may be able to get away with that in a political campaign. you cannot get away with that when you're a litigant in litigation period. >> you tried to intervene today in the case. you made a claim that the fbi recovered communications from keith davidson who was stormy daniels' former attorney who was the one involved in this agreement and michael cohen. and you were requesting access to those communications. the judge initially granted your request and then turned it down. >> not exactly. the judge indicated she was inclined to grant our request. the government said they'd not had an opportunity to review it. they wanted a chance to meet with us and talk about it so they could decide whether to depose it or not. i'm confident we're going to be able to work it out with the government. and if we're not able to work it

out with the government, i think the judge is going to grant us a seat at the table standing to make sure these documents are protected. i will say this, anderson, we are very concerned about the lack of an arms length relationship between mr. davidson and mr. cohen as it relates to my client and the communications that took place not just around the negotiation time period of the agreement but as equally important or more importantly recently. it's our understanding that mr. davidson and mr. cohen had consistent communications in the last four, six, eight weeks relating to my client. that's very troublesome to us. we want to get to the bottom of it. >> putting out a statement denying any inappropriate relationship with michael cohen saying any characterization with mr. cohen is anything other than adversarial yet professional is false. >> i think the facts speak for themselves. there's no question this was an unusual relationship, the level of communication. >> that's an allegation that

karen mcdougal had made against keith davidson. >> and in fact you only need look at the interview when he commented on the fact he was communicating with mr. cohen who was encouraging him to go out and do interviews and disclose attorney-client information he had on my client and others as well as communications with mr. cohen after the interview to make sure that it went okay. i mean that's not an arms length adversarial relationship. >> when you took on the stormy daniels case, i guess there's no way you could have envisioned all the -- where you are right now in this case. >> i don't think if we scripted this out and tried to sell it in hollywood they'd laugh us out of the office because they'd say it's so far-fetched. no one could have anticipated what happened in this case. but the beauty of this case, anderson, is with each passing week and day the case gets better and better and a lot of

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people investigating him. he also made what could be seen as a veiled threat. >> they have this witch hunt going on with people in the justice department that shouldn't be there. they have a witch hunt against the president of the united states going on. i've taken the position, and i don't have it take this position and maybe i'll change, that i will not be involved with the justice department. i will wait until this is over. so i'm very disappointed in my justice department. but because of the fact it's going on, and i think you'll understand this, i have decided that i won't be involved. i may change my mind at some point because what's going on is a disgrace. our justice department, which i try and stay away from, but at some point i won't. >> at some point i won't. i spoke about that, the russia probe and cohen daniels case. professor dershowitz the

president saying about the justice department quote i try to stay away but at some point i won't. he also went onto say he won't be involved with the justice department, he's going to wait until this is over, what do you make of that? what do you think he meant? was he talking about not testifying or not interviewing with mueller? is he talking about not firing people? some people saw it as a threat. how do you hear that? >> how do you ever interpret statements made by donald trump? obviously me made a vague, general statement intended to convey different points to different people. it may have been just musing about whether he has the power to do things with regard to the justice department but he's not going to exercise that power. i don't know what he thinks he gains by making statements like that. i don't think he picks up support among his followers with these kinds of statements. i don't think he increases his legal vulnerability, but he certainly doesn't seem to help

his case when he makes statements like this. >> ambassador eisen, it's his justice department. he is involved with it obviously. >> well, anderson, he's talking out of both sides of his mouth because he says he's not going to be involved with it until he is. he made a threat that he may decide to get involved. i thought that was very ominous, and i thought it was another step in the direction of obstruction of justice. now, i'm not ready to rule. that's for bob mueller to decide whether an obstruction of justice case has been made. >> do you see it as a threat to dearthwits or a possible brick in the road of obstruction of justice? >> i do not. i think it would be going down a bad road to start parsing the president's words to determine whether or not the president of united states is exercising his authority under article ii or violating the law.

now, obviously, if a president were to say this is a message to you, mr. cohen, if you don't testify against me and you're held in contempt i would pardon you. that would be an obstruction of justice. nut the pardon but an offering of the pardon. >> professor dershowitz, don't you think it's skiend of surreal where we're like don't listen to the president because he's like a person on a park bench with an onion tied to his belt mumbling c coherently. you're essentially saying don't pay attention to the words coming out of his mouth because they really have no meaning. that's basically hut your saying. >> i'm making a different point. i'm saying the words of the president have a special authority under the constitution. he's entitled to express views, speak to the public. and we shouldn't be making obstruction of justice or any other crimes out of the words he

speaks unless their ambiguous or unclear. now, this particular president i agree with norm, speaks in a way that conflicts throughout. and i wish he wouldn't speak in this way, and if i were his lawyer, which i am not i would advise him not to speak in this way. >> it was like listening to the rantings of richard nixon on tapes. except this is on live television. he's collin screaming, yelling into the telephone. >> anderson, it was extraordinary. he lost control. you could hear the emotion, you could hear the passion. words do matter h. we know that in the law threatening words can create liability, but we're not just talk about words. he fired comey apparently. now we need to let the mueller investigation play out. but there's substantial evidence he fired comey because he wouldn't take his loyalty oath, because he wouldn't see his way clear to letting the flynn

investigation go. if he did that with corrupt intent i believe that is actionable. in our country no man is above the law. especially -- especially the president. >> i wish you were right that no man is above the law, but as you know senators are above the law. justices are above the law. they have exemptions. it's the law that gives certain exemptions to the leaders of our three branches of government. and one of it privileges that a president has is to speak in this way. i don't approve of what he's saying but to turn what he's saying into crimes, of course he threatens that's one thing. but he had a right to fire mueller -- comey. he had a right to fire him to stop the investigation. he had a right to fire him because he didn't take an oath of loyalty. he had a right to do all of those things. that's a good reason for voting against him, but he has all of those rights under article ii of

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there you see kim jong-un leader of north korea who's going to be for the first time stepping over to south korea on this morning. the leaders of the north and south are about to meet to discuss a peace settlement and denuclearization. president moon shaking hands with kim jong-un. a moment to see these two leaders there, kim jong-un, stepping into south korea. that has never happened before. posing there for more photographs on the south korean side of the dmz, an area

traditionally full of tension. the setting for the summit, the peace house which is on the southern side of the demilitarized zone. cnn's will ripply and christiane amanpour join us now. as we continue to look at these pictures it's really extraordinary to see these two men continuing to hold hands and now having a discussion. >> this is the first time in the history of north korea that a leader has stepped foot on the south side of the dmz. and it shows really a new willingness on the part of kim jong-un to engage with south korea and engage with the united states. this has been a carefully orchestrated thaw that began with north korea's last intercontinental bu listing launch in november. kim jong-un and president man jay in using it to kick off this area of diplomacy, which is such

a u-turn. i've been to north korea many times when they've launched missiles, been thereafter nuclear tests. to see there and to see kim jong-un and moon jae-in walking together towards the peace house, really words can't describe what this moment means. i'm here on a rooftop about 5 miles from the demilitarized zone and all around me there are korean citizens and journalists who are completely silent this morning. earlier they watched him drive across the bridge and people were cheering. there's really an electricity and optimism here on the peninsula. but it's certain a cosh optimism because agreements have been made for denuclearization, for peace and then it all went

horribleably wrong. will this time be different, that's certainly the hope here. but people are skeptical and of course worried about what could happen if this summit doesn't work out and if the upcoming talks with president trump don't work out because there's some huge differences between what the north koreans want and what the south koreans want and what the united states wants certainly had it comes to the issue of denuclearization. >> christiane, even if nothing comes out of this meeting, is the fact this summit is happening significant enough? >> anderson, it is. look, let's not forget this comes after many, many months of the most heightened rhetoric that we've really ever seen between north korea and the west. the whole business of the nuclear tests, the int intercontinental ballistic missile test, the fire and fury from the podium by mr. trump, the i have a bigger button from president trump. the fact this region and the

world trembled for weeks and months potentially on the brink of even what the united states was calling a bloody nose message to north korea. this has changed that rhetoric at least for the moment. and as you see this guard, as you see the red carpet, as you see frankly kim jong-un and man jay in acting like dads with their arms around two children and flowers being given and handshakes and smiles, this is for this moment an extraordinary change. and that's why it's important because it shows that there is a possibility of changing the dynamic from headlong conflict to potential negotiation. and of course this meeting will be the precursor to a maybe meeting between president donald trump and kim jong-un. although, yesterday i spoke to the foreign minister and she told me there will be that meeting. and of course after this summit between the two korean leaders ends and wraps up this evening they hope for a written, a written commitment from kim

jong-un to denuclearization. they say the foreign minister told me that her president will be in a meeting on the phone with the u.s. president to discuss the tone of the meeting, to see whether enough has been achieved to recommend that the united states goes ahead with its planned summit. but the foreign minister told me she was quite convinced that would happen. of course, just to be completely realistic, denuclearization at this point may mean two different things to two different sides. president trump and the south koreans have said it must be verifiable destruction and dismantling for any, even the beginnings of the removal of sanctions and onward motion. we're not sure exactly what kim jong-un means by it. in the past it means including the united states and the removal of forces and a much bigger tertian. but we'll see. we'll see what happens by the end of this one-day summit. >> and will, to start briefly, do we know how long the meeting between these two men is supposed to last?

>> they're going to have a couple of different sessions lasting several hours a piece. they're going to have a morning discussion and break for lunch. kim jong-un will actually cross back into the north. when he comes back in the afternoon there's going to be a ceremonial tree planting. they're going to bring soil from north and south korea to plant this tree. and bring water and water the tree. all of these photo-ops and very symbolic and they'll be shown live around the world. but those discussions inside the peace house won't be televised, and those are going it to be the discussions whether these two sides can come together. >> we'll continue to monitor the events. coming up dr. ronny jackson is out of the frying pan, and scott pruitt into the fire. what they're both saying today about allegations.

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dr. ronny jackson is no longer the nominee to run the va. jackson withdraw this morning embroiled in a series of allegations. in a statement jackson said the allegations against him were completely false and fabricated. and on fox this morning the president complained about the way jackson was treated. >> doc ronny. you know, we call him doc ronny, an admiral, highly respected, a

real leader. and i watched what john tester of montana, a state that i won by over 20 points, you know, really they love me and i love them. and i want to tell you that john tester, i think this is going to cause him a lot of problems in his state. he took a man who was just an incredible man, an incredible man, respected by president obama, gave him his highest rating. you saw what president obama said. president bush, he was the doctor to president bush, to president obama and the family. he's been my doctor, and he runs a fantastic operation. you know they have many doctors and they run a fantastic operation. and honestly i said it to him, he didn't come to me, i said you run a great operation. how do you think you'd do at the va? >> the president certainly stanning by dr. ronny jackson. claiming he runs a great operation. a number of it 20 people, it seems like most of the 20 people

according to senator tester who made allegations against the doctor, who has spoken to senator tester on capitol hill have said he doesn't run a great organization. >> that's right, anderson. there are people over the years who worked with dr. jackson who feel he didn't run a tight ship. and you heard staffers saying that the doctor is a hell of a man. so the president obviously feels very strongly about him, but at the same time getting back to what he was saying about montana senator john tester bringing up these allegations the president essentially threatening on fox news to go after john tester in his state when he goes for re-election. my guess is you're going to have a lot of democrats saying here if this becomes a lingering issue they might have spared -- and admitted just a couple of

days ago that essentially ronny jackson did not have the qualifications to be the va secretary despite the fact the secretary tried to say the president didn't say that. the president did raise questions about the experience level ronny jackson was going to bring to the va. >> in terms of white house staffers, do we know how they feel about all of this? >> they like him. he's a well liked guy around here, i can tell you among not only white house officials but member of press. they've been on foreign trips with him and so on. and people do feel padbadly fore ordeal he's gone through, but at the same time i've talked to sources this evening who said the white house didn't do proper vetting of ronny jackson and essentially sent him into battle. because any nomination fight is that, a battle here in washington and they felt they sent him in there unprepared and that the white house was not prepared to deal with these accusations when they came forward because a proper vet

wasn't done. not the democrats up on capitol hill, not members of it press. it's up to the administration to vet members. >> meantime in other hot seat news epa minister scott pruitt was up on capitol hill. they questioned about the ethics controversies that have been dragging on for weeks. phil mattingly has more. >> let me be very clear, i have nothing to hide as it relates to how i run the agency. >> reporter: in two hearings on capitol hill epa administrator scott pruitt. >> what has been alleged towards me and my team has been at least half truths at best. >> reporter: fighting against allegations of abuse of power. it was a pitch that carried little weight with democrats. >> there's so many questions we need truthful answers to today, but because so far we've only

gotten untruths or outright falsehoods undeserving of the public trust. >> i may be elected but i'm not a fool. that's really a lousy answer from someone that has a high position in the federal government. >> reporter: and even brought some skepticism from republicans. >> these issues are too persistent to ignore. someone in the ig's office has not found some of the personal security concerns that you've -- that you have proffered in relation to the enhanced security that you've received to be either warranted or credible. >> reporter: pruitt has been plagued for months by an unending array of allegations and scandal. a few weeks ago he had this to say about exorbitant raises given to close aides. >> i did not know they got the pay raises until yesterday. >> reporter: that seemed to change today. >> i think with respect to the raises -- >> is that true? i have five minutes so i have to

move along. >> i was not aware of the amount. >> not the amount, aware of the raises. >> i was not aware of the amount or the bypassing of the ppo process not being respected. >> reporter: pruitt also refusing to take the blame for the $40,000 soundproof booth installed in his office. >> i did not have access to secure communication. i gave directions to my staff to address that and out of that came a $43,000 expenditure that i did not approve. >> reporter: congressional republicans several aides say i increasingly frustrated with all the allegations but are unified in support of pruitt's deregulatory agenda. >> it's been a classic display of innuendo and mccarthyism. >> mr. administrator, you're not the first person to be the victim for lack of a better term, washington politics.

>> reporter: looming large over both hearings and pruitt's public turn in the spotlight the reality that a white house including the president himself will be watching, and it may determine his very unclear future. >> we are evaluating these concerns, and we expect the epa administrator to answer for them, and we'll keep you posted. >> and phil mattingically joins. you've been talking to lawmakers. >> when you talk to republicans it breaks down to three categories. first what he's actually done at the agency. he's considered a rock star for what he's done with dismantling president obama's -- and they have major sway advocates, big donors who have really considered him a superstar not

just since he's been at the epa but beforehand. they have been impressing upon people on both sides of pennsylvania avenue, keep him on the job. and finally i think perhaps the most important reason, logistical. you talk to senate republicans and they point to other nominees, what jim acosta was talking about, over at the cia, the fight they had to get mike pompeo in and they recognize how difficult it is. perhaps even the support to ever get another epa administrator through. at this moment he's still on the job. a top senate aide told me we just keep our eye on the president's twitter feed. coming up disgraced comedian bill cosby found guilty of drugging and sexually assault. . wait, is mom here yet? where's mom? she's in this car. what the heck?

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lily bernard, in white, is one of dozens of other women accusing cosby of attacking them. here's what she said a short time later. >> i was just full of joy, full of gratitude for the prosecution, for the commonwealth of pennsylvania, for andrea constand and the five other witnesses, my survivor sisters who courageously stood on that stand. i was also just shocked. i didn't expect this kind of verdict. the jury has restored my faith in humanity. i feel like i'm dreaming and i need to be pinched to be woken. >> well, the 80-year-old cosby is under house arrest as he waits to be sentenced. the prosecutor had asked for cosby's bail to be revoked, fearing he would leave the country. cosby stood up and yesterday to the prosecutor he doesn't have a

private plane, you a-hole. more than 50 women have publicly accused cosby of sexual misconduct stretching back decades. another accuser, patricia stoyer, said cosby assaulted her twice when she was an aspiring singer. >> patricia, when you heard at that's verdict, first of all, what went through your mind? >> first i couldn't quite believe it because i really expected either an acquittal or another hung jury. these cases are so difficult to prove. and after the disbelief, i put myself right in front of my very large husband, and he put his arms around me and i started to cry. and he cried too. and i husband doesn't cry. so the two of us stood in the pharmacy where we were picking up prescriptions crying together. >> how did you hear the news? >> actually because we were crossing the sierras from nevada to california when this all broke, we didn't get the news

until quite a bit after it happened by text from someone. so that's how we got the news. >> you've been carrying the weight of what bill cosby allegedly did to you for more than 40 years now. what is the feeling, a sense of -- is there a sense of relief? is there joy? is there sadness, anger? what is it? >> i think it's a mixed bag, anderson. i think there's joy, there's relief, there's definite sadness for the years, especially the first 25 that i carried it alone, not at all aware of anyone else who had had the experience that i had. >> you didn't know that there was anyone else. until andrea constand came forward in 2005, you had no idea that this had happened to anyone else? >> that's right. i thought i was the only one. >> have you and miss constand

ever spoken, ever shared thoughts or experiences? >> we have not shared our experiences. we have spoken by phone twice. she was advised at that point not to talk about her experiences with mr. cosby, and i just took the same tact with her so we just talked about our lives and our gratitude for being in each other's lives. the fact that she had the courage to come forward, the fact that she knew she wasn't alone, and i knew i wasn't alone anymore. >> they clearly were trying -- the attorneys for mr. cosby were clearly trying to paint her as a liar, as somebody who was making something up who wanted money, who had ulterior motives. >> apparently that's true. i think that's sort of the playbook when you have a defense like this, they try to discredit the witness or the primary person who's making the complaint. that's not my experience of her. i was telling someone today how much she practices ieqanimity ad

serenity and how kind-hearted she is. that's not my sense of her at all. i don't claim to know her well but i do know her heart from the little conversations we have had. >> mr. cosby was demonstrably angry in the courtroom today. do you think that he feels any sense of remorse? >> i haven't detected any. i can't really speak about what he feels inside, but he hasn't displayed any. he's a very, very fiercely proud person, so it doesn't surprise me that he's reacted with defiance. >> is this something you ever forgive somebody for? >> i forgave bill cosby years ago for me, because carrying resentment for someone like that for an event that took place so long ago wasn't hurting him at

all. it was simply hurting me. so i forgave him for me. >> patricia, i really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. >> thank you for inviting me. >> well, coming up next, president trump trying to distance himself from michael cohen, and there's new reporting tonight on their shifting relationship. ♪ ♪ build your next big thing to run in more places, without recoding. the ibm cloud. the cloud for smarter business. the ibm cloud. i just got a pretty sweet deal on this card for mother's day. nice. i got a sweet deal on this iphone at verizon for my mom. i'm not done shopping. i just start with a card and then work up to... (vo) this mother's day, get up to 50% off the latest iphone on us. unlimited is only as good as the network it's on.

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well, it's complicated. on the one hand michael cohen is well known as the president's long-time attorney, fixer, latter day ray cohn, someone trusted enough