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>> reporter: we can tell you, john, the white house pulled documents to in their view exonerate dr. jackson with some of the allegations including the allegation that he drunkenly crashed a government vehicle leaving a secret service party. the white house providing the documents pulled from g.s.a., showing three different vehicle accidents that ronnie jackson was involved in over the last few years during work hours. none of which were his fault. the white house saying that this shows that, look, if there was some accident involving a government vehicle where he was driving drunk after a secret service party, that would be in the paper trail. but there is no such paper trail according to this white house official. also, the white house providing six audits from walter reed medical center that say that the white house medical unit that jackson was overseeing was in compliance with properly storing prescription pills. there were procedural
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adjustments recommended in the audits. but overall it says he was in compliance. basically, the white house is providing these documents according to the official to defend the president's remarks earlier today about his v.a. pick. that look, he is a fine man, that he has done nothing wrong. the allegations are false. and also to defend jackson's representation, john. >> defending dr. jackson who is back at the white house. but we understand tonight not back as the president's doctor, correct? >> that's right. as you'll recall, sarah sanders, the press secretary left the door open saying he is a doctor in the navy assigned to the white house back at work today. as it turns out according to the official i spoke with he is back in the medical office but he is not back as the president's doctor. and illustrated unclear even if he will return ever as the president's doctor. since announce ds as the nominee there was another physician who stepped in as the president's doctor. that person is still in the role.
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and dr. jackson, while back at the medical unit has not resumed his role. >> pam will we also saw the president repeat two favorite words, no collusion with russia while standing next to the german chancellor based on the republican house intelligence committee report, correct. >> that's right. it was clear that russia was top of mind for the president today for a couple of reasons. there was a house intelligence report by the republicans that said there was no collusion between the trump campaign and russia. and so the president was referring to that sitting next to angela merkel saying he was honored by the report that there was no collusion, again reiterating what we heard so many times that this was a witch hunt. but also how is the report that natalia veselnitskaya, the russian attorney who met with don jr. during the election to offer dirt on hillary clinton, that she admitted to the media she is an informant for the russian government, despite previous denials. it was interesting, john, during the joint press conference
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today, the president unprompted even though he wasn't asked a question about russia brought it up in an unrelated question about dr. ronnie jackson. he said he understands what jackson is going through in terms of false allegations because he has also faced false allegations in the russia investigation, john. >> pamela brown at the white house. thank you. more now on today's house intelligence committee report specifically now the objections to it as you know democrats and the committee published a critical and minority report. adam schiff announcing ds the republican colleagues of ignoring evidence he says was plain. i spoke about the investigation with another democrat on the panel. jauquin castro. congressman, you accuse the republicans on the house intelligence committee of turning a blind eye to key leads in failing to follow specific evidence of collusion. what specific evidence do you think the american people deserve to know about? and why do you think your republican colleagues don't want it out. >> let me give you one example
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about a piece of evidence that was not followed up on. and remember, we said that the committee didn't use any of its subpoena power to verify anything that any of the witnesses told to us. so in the set up of the june 2016 meeting between donald trump jr., jared kushner and paul manafort at the time there were a few phone calls to set up the meeting. in between the phone calls there is a call from a blocked number. and we believe that it's quite possible or i believe i'll speak for myself it's quite possible that donald trump jr. spoke to his father, donald trump, in setting up the meeting. so it's possible that donald trump actually had knowledge ahead of time that this meeting was going to happen. we just found out the today that that meeting included a woman who was an informant for the russian government, natalia veselnitskaya. and that's a serious thing when the committee turns a blind eye and doesn't try to figure out exactly what happened. >> there was no follow up on who the blocked number might be.
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>> there was not only no follow up on the blocked number. there was no follow up on anything that was told to us. how does a committee not issue a single subpoena? this was basically a kindergarten exercise where any brought in witnesses, let them say what they were going to say took them at their word and said okay we're all done here, no collusion. >> the flip side of that, you don't have any evidence yourself that that blocked number was from now president trump, do you. >> not at all. and the reason we don't kwsh -- the reason we can't say it was or wasn't is because the committee would not use the subpoena power. >> you brought up -- you brought up the russian lawyer at this meeting. we did learn today that this lawyer says her own words, says that she is an informant works as an informen for the russian government. mike cona way the republican leading the intelligence committee. he said that's news to him. your committee did not know that sh she admits to being a russian informant. >> that was news to everybody on the committee and to the
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american people and so this just underscores the fact that the investigation shouldn't have been closed prematurely, that there is a lot of leads and things to investigate. and i -- i imagine we will see more things like that come out. and the more things like that come out, the clearer it's going to be that this was a very perfunctory investigation. >> we know that donald trump jr. had been promised dirt on hillary clinton from the russian government. >> right. >> does it change much you have anything that the lawyer now admits she was a russian informant. >> her admitting that means there was a clear and direct link to the russian intelligence services and the kremlin, that they were involved all along. >> the president today used the republican report and said that it exonerates him. proves that his campaign did nothing wrong, end of story. what do you say to that. >> that's his position before the investigation ever began. i don't think the president is
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ever going to admit to many of the things. but, remember, the campaign denied any connections or any meetings what so far with any russians. so it took a lot of time and investigation to figure out that this meeting in trump tower happened, that the george papadopoulos meeting with the professor happened, that roger stone reached out to julian asaung and wikileaks and now about the email donald trump in from the clinton campaign. admit to nothing. >> will you try to push in a formal way to reopen the investigation about the russian lawyer is that door closed now. >> we're going to continue pushing. if there is a new congress in january we'll reopen. >> the word collusion means so many different things to so many people. can you tell me what you think it means specifically and whether you think you've seen evidence that the trump campaign conducted in it?
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>> sure, i believe it means there was a coordinated effort between the trump campaign and operate he was of the russian government to affect the 2016 election. and we've seen evidence of that >> the republicans on the committee say that's flat out not the case. how do you reconcile. >> again, i think they are protecting the president more than they are doing a fair and thorough job. >> thank you. >> joining me now our panel, a great friday night grouping here. brey be, the president says there is no collusion. congressman castro says he has seen evidence of collusion. you have donald trump jr., jared kushner paul manafort in that meeting now with the woman shoo who says he is a russia be informant promising dirt on hillary clinton. do you think at a minimum that is inappropriate or suspicious? >> i'm going to put my -- i'm putting my hat on what senator feinstein said she had never
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seen collision between the trump campaign and the russians. >> that was eight, nine months ago. >> it was six months ago and it was -- sure but what new information has come forward since then? nothing new has come forward. what you have a a partisan -- partisan democrat, very partisan committee even schiff said he hasn't seen collusion. >> first of all we don't know what's in robert mueller's investigation right now. >> right. >> we dough know the meeting happened. my specific question about was about the meeting in trump tower in june of 2016 and my question is that meeting inappropriate? >> i think that meeting was careless. >> extremely careless? >> it was careless. it was a careless meeting. >> that's a word republicans have had problems with before careless. >> it was a careless meeting. >> >> collusion is not a crime there is no federal statutes say collusion is a crime so forth and so on.
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yes it was extremely careless. we have had 13 russian nationals indicted. we have had the chairman of donald trump's campaign indicted. we have had the deputy chairman of the campaign indicted. donald trump doesn't make good decisions, i guess outside of knick hailey who is the most popular electsed official ever. she doesn't make good decisions outside of nikki haley. but as much as you want to get in pretsdle saying donald trump is doing this or that right. they feel the pressure of the russia investigation. but they until we see what -- in south carolina we have a good saying. for devin nunes. bless his heartis he is in over his head. >> we know what mueller is looking for regarding the investigation. he sent a letter to the trump campaign stating the four topics none none of it had to do with
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russia. >> no, no -- well that's a different narrative that's not what mueller was doing that's the southern district of new york. we're talking about mueller right now. >> i understand that you go from white water to a blew dress. payback. >> it's not. but it's an natural. >> sounds like it. >> it's a natural progression. my only point to you is that donald trump or michael cohen or paul manafort or rick gates or any of the people who are associated with the trump campaign have done anything illegal they need to pay tor it. >> nobody says otherwise. and what we have -- is we have gates lying and pleading guilty. we have papadopoulos lying and pleading guilty. those are nothing associatewood what happened with the trump campaign. gates lied about his finances. go ahead. >> both work for the trump campaign. >> sure a lot of people worked for the trump campaign. are we going to go. >> we have a full panel here. >> hang on we have a full panel we have a full panel here i want to let everybody get a chance to talk. but remember that. >> as i filibuster. >> we were complaining about
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barack obama wearing a tan suit. that was -- thafr the legitimate concern about barack obama. and now we literally have. >> on tan suit i go to you. today we see the report from the republicans, not particularly stunning that the republicans have said the republican president who whose water they carry every day and twist on sunday didn't do anything wrong. that's not surprising. but you know what is notedworthy is that in that report it says the periodic prays and communications with kick wikileaks a hostile foreign resisting ors they found is highly objectionable and inconsistent with united states security interests. even in the report done by the little boy caught stealing cookie by the little boy caught, even if that investigation they still said the president and his
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team did things that were -- were inconsistent with national security interests. that i find stunning and something we shouldn't overlook. bakari. >> tan suits is the which to move on. >> what kristine said there is interesting. should the president of the united states who went out of his way when not asked twice today to bring up no collusion should he pin this on the report from the committee by devin nunes. >> everybody is making mount elbrist out of a mole hill. what we see so far is a bunch of nothing. we were talking about some of the people arrested. they were charged with crimes that this nothing to do with any of this. you're talking about manafort and tax evasion from four years ago. five years ago. and in that report -- i read the report -- a lot of it was blocked out.
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what i read it says the fbi screwed up. the executive meaning the obama team screwed pup there was a lot of screw ups here. so you know to say that this is. >> it's notesable we hear a lot of nothing was found or nothing is done. on a day when a russian woman says i was an informant. >> nobody knew that then. >> they didn't know it then because they closed the investigation. >> no, no donald trump jr. >> it went an investigation it was a leak. >> from my sourcing on the hill because i cover the house they're not not reopening this investigation because of new -- this woman is saying i was actually a an informant the whole time not just looking to talk about adoption. this investigation was half baked right, of course. even g if i get a republican the trai gowdy the house overchairman. the very popular. he will tell you congress is not the place for an investigation. they kent can't compel people to come in and answer questions.
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in this case a lot of people from the white house came in and didn't answer questions. >> right. >> and republicanings didn't press on this. they continued put something together. and there are a lot of documents, a lot of questions that are unanswered. this is not the final word. >> very quickly, the senate investigation very different. >> the senate investigation will be -- have a little more gravitas only because it has the bipartisan nature many. only because the house investigation derailed. because of republicans and democrats. more emphasis on the senate campaign everybody should watch mueller. >> more with this panel. a new development in the stormy daniels case. that's on hold. we'll tell you why. mine's way better.
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the central figure in the now famous or innocuous trump tower campaign admits being an informant for the kremlin. an house intelligence committee who didn't talk to her during the investigation put out a report clearing the president of collusion and although over on the senateside there is bipartisanship on the russia investigation. it's a food fight in the house. that's from both sides they admit to that. back with the panel. rachel let's start with you quoting something brian said earlier. he- brian lanza former communication attention director for the trump campaign. he says we will see what the mueller investigation finds.
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which is something different than the president is saying. the president is not saying we will see what the mueller investigation finds. the president says no collusion, into collusion, no inclusion. words he reechts whenever he can even without being prompted. what do you think he is trying to do with those words? >> hold up this new house -- the house findings and say look, guys, nothing to see here. trump is referring back to this house investigation over and over and over again. but let's be clear eyed. this is capitol hill. this isn't the boy scouts. house republicans when they put it together, started doing this they knew where they were going. we knew all along the president they would find no collusion on this. so, you just got to sort of see it with the lens of washington. the president will use it to try to throw mueller unthe bus perhaps. but people know that mueller is not driven by politics on this. >> right now as if he is watching and maybe he is -- the president wrote two minutes ago. >> a tweet?
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>> the house intelligence committee rules no collusion between the trump campaign and russia. as i've been saying all along it's a hoax by the democrat based on the payments and lies. rob, to you. he is drawing the direct line here. he is saying the house intelligence committee says this so the special counsel should have never been appointed, witch hunt. >> brian you want me to come to your aid. >> listen i'll say there is no collusion. >> i agree. >> we have two years. >> we haven't seen a drop of that yet. not an ounce of it anywhere yet. >> does the fact -- does the fact that the house -- this partisan committee -- that's again, i think democrats and republicans agree this all fell apart. >> yes. >> is that reason to say that robert mueller should have never been appointed and that's a witch hunt. >> no because it's confirming what most of us thought from the beginning in that there was really no reason because it's
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gone from point a where they haven't found a thing. now into tang ents. >> what was the crime. >> brian go ahead, go ahead, kristine. >> we don't know what mueller has found or not. because nothing has been released. if you want to say nothing has come out or leaked out. okay but mueller has not released findings. we don't know until they are released. so it's simply untrue to say this wasn't found or was found. again, i think we all know -- and if the democrats come out with a report that says it was absolutely collusion, that's as absurd as this one. because they don't have the resources that a special prosecutor does. so we don't know. but we do know today that more new information has come out. this woman natalia was not just a lawyer. she is an informant to the russian government. now you can call that a -- he i forget the word you use a careless meeting or something of that nature. it's a disaster that you would bring in top representatives of
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a presidential campaign to meet with a woman who even has the resume she had but not vet in any way you'd find find out she is an informant. >> i will add to that what is now apparently a fact that the top leaders of the trump campaign met with a russian informant. you keep saying nothing has come out of the mueller investigation. he indicted 13 russians and three russian entities for meddling in the u.s. election. >> at no point did he say they interacted with the trump campaign. >> did he say that. >> did that's false. they had contact with members of the trump campaign. what he did not determine -- they didn't make a determination whether. >> collusion took place. >> no, no whether the trump campaign officials knew. he didn't say they did not know. but he said there was discussions between the trump campaign. brian what i was saying here is he issued the indictments and then the government of donald trump sanctioned the people. so there is oolts come out of the investigation. >> absolutely there is more than plor that's going to come out as he goes forward. but we have the senate intelligence committee, the house intelligence committee do the investigation. so they have released some information.
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>> senate hasn't. >> the house has leaked nearly everything they could have leaked in the past two years. >> they never subpoenaed peel. >> here is what we know. this is the first special prosecutor being brought forward without a specific crime to investigate. so donald trump is right. what is the actual statute and crime he is investigating this never happened. >> that's actually accurate if >> i'm not sure you how you get from white water to blue dress? republicans are guyedy over this when it happened under bill clinton. but that's -- >> you should come back on. but my only point -- my only point to you is simply this. there are 13 russian nationals indicted. >> um-hum. >> the chairman of the campaign who you worked for. >> correct. >> has been indicted. his deputy has been indicted. the lawyers -- the personal lawyer for the president of the united states has had his apartment raided.
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>> for what? >> for what. >> not on russian government stuff. niece are totally different things. by the way part of the house intelligence. >> but. >> has not come out yet. >> can i follow up for one second .. there is no concern about flipping if you never did anything illegal. the fact of the matter is the and people hanging out with people who have had illegal activities and you can shrug your shoulder to that. >> very quickly then. >> shoem what he is going to flip on. >> we don't know. >> let's wait on michael cohen because. >> you is a say he is going to flip. >> let's wait on michael cohen. >> kristine point quickly. >> i think that michael cohen, the potential charges et cetera are relevant to russia in this sense. we all have talked about tonight even brian that action is relevant to the russia investigation were at best careless. at worst illegal.
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so you have a campaign where we see they'll behave in any way they have to try to win. and in the michael cohen case we see very likely federal election commission violations. anything to win the law be damned. >> one thing we haven't mentioned, in that report it damned the clinton campaign for taking the russia bait as well. >> yes. >> that hasn't been discussed at all. >> thank you. i will let the record you take that back to the green room with tan suits and russian informant. up next, breaking news a judge puts the stormy daniels against michael cohen on hold. also what she former wrestler hulk hoganen a a republican fund raiser have in company common. the answer may surprise you. ooks to start my business. but as it grew bigger and bigger, it took a whole lot more. that's why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. everything.
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breaking news, stormy daniels has to wait for her day in court. her lawsuit against michael cohen on hold tonight for 90 days because cohen is kind of busy. the judge issuing the delay to allow the criminal investigation of cohen to proceed. meanwhile, we have new details tonight about the non-disclosure agreement that ms. daniels signed raising questions about how the deal was done. more from sarah side ner. >> what do porn star stormy daniels and former wrestler and hulk hogan and republican chairman have in common. they all signed almost identical confidentiality agreements
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written by the same attorney keith davidson. in 2012 davidson tried to broken a deal between hulk hogan and dafrds's client trying to make money off a sex tape oft showing hogan having sex with his friend's wife. davidson wrote the agreement saying the sex video would be handed over if he paid the client $300,000. his attorney called the fbi. and he was caught up in a raid. accused of extortion. questioned but never charged. four years later davidson became stormy daniels attorney. and he use the same document as a testimony polite for the deal. the wording in most of it identical. that means the president's attorney michael cohen did not write the hush agreement as previously believed. >> if keith davidson drafted this document for stormy daniels, that's an outrage,
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because in is such a one-sided agreement. a new york lawyer who briefly represent ed represented donald trump said davidson concentrating the agreement is an unusual move for two reasons. the person demanding the silence usually drafts the deal to make sure it's air tight. they would want to be in control of writing the agreement. and the attorney for the person being silenced is already giving away a large amount of negotiating power by writing it, >> if you're the lawyer representing the person being asked to provide confidentiality, your goal is to make -- write an agreement that has as many holes as possible to protect your client. your goal is not to lock up your client. >> part of the deal says stormy daniels who again was davidson's client can be fined $1 million for each time she talks about the alleged affair with the president. >> davidson also wrote the hush agreement signed by a former playboy model he represented who accused a major gop donor of
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getting her preg. then rnc finance chairman agreed to pay her $1.6 million his lawyer was michael cohen. in a statement borrowedy revealed more about the situation saying the woman terminated the pregnancy. the woman's current attorney peter striss said none of this should have been exposed to the public. >> can you say definitively this was not your client leaking this information. >> my client did not leak this information. my client was no the involved in the leaking of this information. my client could not be more upset that her personal life in this regard has been made public in any way. >> sara joins us now. does stormy daniels 'current attorney have anything to say. >> he saw the story and said any suggestion that michael cohen was not actively involved in the negotiating and drafting of the
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nda for miss daniels is patently false petition admitted as much. i want to bring something else up to you, john, pretty important. when we looked at what the judge said when it came to the 90-day stay. he said something strong in some of the language for his decision. one thing our investigative reporter pointed out. i had to read this. ed the judge said whether or not an the judge judge said wlorntd an indictment is forthcoming and the court thinks it is likely based on these facts alone, he says this is not a simple criminal investigation. something we all know because it involves a personal attorney for the president. >> he says he thinks an indictment is likely. sarah, great to have you with us. thanks. next why so many people getting close to the president seem to suffer for it. two rupp trump biographers join us on that next. this perfect nude glow? do you really think i woke up like this? new lumi glotion l'oreal's first glow-enhancing lotion for natural illumination say "bonjour"
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depart yurs and it's a lot. the times reports that half of the top aides coming to work at the white house with the president are now gone. republican strategist rip wilson has his name for the phenomenon he says etttd. everything trump touches dies. a former trump casino executive, the cutting rise and spectacular fall. how does the president work those he works with? is it one-sided. >> this is all about donald trump and his ego. i don't think he really recognizes the humanity in the people who try to serve him. and this was evidenced long ago. mr. o'donnell knows from personal experience. but at about the time that trump was pursuing his casino developments he also opened trump airways. and burned through executives there.
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they actually -- you know, the times headlines about people crashing, he would say terrible things about airline safety. they would beg him, please, listen to us we know what we're doing. he ran that company into the ground. >> so jack, i wanted to read you something tony schwartz the ghost writer of the donald trump book art of the deal in "the new york times." people are not people to him. they're instruments of his ego and when they serve his ego they survive and when they don't they pass into the night. ultimately the fate of anyone casts their lot with trump is you are passing through. and i just can't think of anybody for whom that is not true. so you worked for donald trump. do you agree with tony schwartz there? >> well, i certainly do in the -- from my experience, the last year that i worked for him. i was fortunate in that the first two years i worked for donald he had a ceo that he listened to. and we were pretty stable.
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but as soon as donald took control and he had direct reports is when he started burning through people. so i think what tony schwartz described is absolutely true. in the latter part of my experience. and we have seen this of course in the administration as well. >> you know, michael it's not just he burns through people it's the idea as the times puts it when he is done with them they are left bloodied on the side of the tracks. >> look at michael cohen right now. there is a risk in all of this for the president. he -- you can't just humiliate people continuously and expect them to remain loyal as someone like cohen has been. you know, the coverage of that case must be excruciating for him. at some point men and women do stand up and say i'm not taking this anymore. and they either walk or they in the worst-case scenario for the president flip and become witnesses for the special
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counsel. >> you know, jack, then there is the issue of his children. you know, his children work for him, are incredibly close to him. are they exempt from these rules? or is it a one-way street when it comes to the children as well? >> well, i think we have seen the trump's management style has put his children at great risk. and i think a good manager protects their people to some extent. and of course i don't think donald trump does that. i think he basically lacks compassion and empathy, as michael has suggested. but his -- you know, the whole donald trump, jr., story you were talking about in the last segment is a good example of how he will put his employees -- and in this case it was his son -- at risk because of the lack of experience. and a good manager doesn't do that to the people working for him. >> will he stick his neck out to protect his kids in ways he won't other employees?
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>> well, i -- i think that he will. i have said many times that there is the loyalty of his family and the trust he has in his family is greater than any employee that's ever worked for him. i think he would go to some stent to protect them absolutely. >> michael, the "wall street journal" had a story this week also stunning about michael cohen talking about the president humiliating cohen and cohen trying to send messages to the president what do you make that have. >> it's terribly embarrassing for cohen. almost pathetic. he is sort of being challenged by now the national media to man up. it's fascinating to see if he does. >> michael, jack, thank you. >> a care van of central american migranting arriving in tijuana. some hoping to get into the united states. the president made his feelings clear, the president is against them getting into the united states. we'll get the latest from the reporter traveling with the care
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but gabriela hernandez says she has no choice. this is what she must do to reach this point. off in the distance, behind a tall fence for the first time she is getting a glimpse of the united states of america. >> she says it doesn't seem real she is that close given all they have struggled through to get here. >> we met hernandez in puebla, mexico. i'm asking where she is from. >> and live tv early in the journey with a large group of central american migrants making their way north. she got off the bus and knowing she was part of a group that had become the latest target of president trump. he called them dangerous. >> asking if they're dangerous. >> she says the child of this age cannot be dangerous. >> we tracked her journey.
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as the pregnant mother of two boards half a dozen buses for road trips totalling 50 hours. we watched her wipe away her tears after realizing her children would sit on mounds of scrap metal on a train. with little to no money or food. she a month ago she joined more than a thousand migrants for an annual march north. a caravan calling attention to the plight of the migrant including a number of people planning to seek asylum. a legal way to enter the u.s. under federal law. trump has ordered homeland security not to let what he calls large caravans into the country. attorney general jeff sessions has already said he will make sure enough u.s. attorneys and judges are in place at the border to rule on the cases of this caravan. [ speaking a foreign language ]
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about 130 of the migrants plan to turn themselves into authorities in san diego. volunteer attorneys are helping the migrants. hernandez says this is about survival. she said the gangs that control her neighborhood in honduras threatened to kill her 6-year-old son. having no faith in her protection in her own country she fled. many granted temporary permission some offering to seek asylum in mexico over the possibility of ever dealing with trump. hernandez knows in the u.s. detention is likely. deportation a possibility. her concern now her family. [ speaking a foreign language ] she worries she could be separated from her children while in the custody of u.s. immigration officials. homeland security insists children are only separated to protect a child.
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or if there's any doubt the adult is the child's legal guardian. but what will happen under the watchful eye of the trump administration as the caravan approaches the u.s. border? [ speaking a foreign language ] >> she says she doesn't know what she will do if we can't get in because she can't go back to her country. >> that uncertainty hasn't stopped them yet. >> what are the next steps for that woman? >> well, today she met with several attorneys to talk about that asylum case. for her she says it is important to do this the legal way, to turn levelself in to a port of entry as law permits. in the meantime, as gabriella prepares to turn herself in, for
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her she is actually talking about the mental preparation memorizing phone numbers in case her belongings are taken away and she doesn't have it. she's preparing for cold detention facilities in the united states, but still in the back of her mind is that hope that she will find a better life for her family in the united states of america. >> thank you very much. could marijuana be a key to solving the opioid crisis? dr. san yew gupta talks to anderson about that in idea we had 4" next. same here, but this one has leather seats! use the cars.com app to compare price, features and value.
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so could medical marijuana help solve the opioid crisis? it is an investigation weed 4 pot versus pills. anderson spoke to sanjay about the special. >> i got into pain medicine at a time when we didn't have very good treatments for pain. >> dr. mark wallace is the director for pain at u.c. san diego. he like most of his doctors were taught in medical school to prescribe opioids. >> we were told there were evidence that the use of opioids
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isn't that risky and we should use them more liberally. >> it was the 1990s and doctors were seeing a lot of commercials like this one. >> these drugs which i repeat are our best, strongest pain medications should be used much more. >> problem is while they were fda approved for some kinds of pain, they were never intended to be used long term. >> we went alone with some of the advertisement that was coming around. and the education that we were getting in medical schools. >> dr. nora vulca believes that was the beginning of our opioid crisis. >> we started to see patient who is were predescribed opioids who had never been addicted to anything addicted to those drugs. >> >> we knew that there was a danger. we knew they weren't as effective after a period of time yet it still happened anyway. >> marketing. >> we started questioning whether we should be using opioids but we didn't have a lot of good alternatives at the time.
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>> dr. mark wallis since then over the last 20 years started using cannabis to try to help patients not only treat their pain but get them off of opioids. and he's treated hundreds of patients like there. there's no alternative back then. this is the big alternative for now. >> what makes cannabis -- can you say that cannabis is better than opioids for this? >> two things, one is it is definitely safer. you have someone dying from a drug overdose every 19 minutes in this country. no documented overdose from cannabis. it is definitely safer here. that's not unimportant here. we are in the throws of one of the worst self-inflicted epidemics in our history with this end i had epidemic. it is hard to believe it flattened our life expectancy. number two is it treats pain. opioids treat pain by interfering with pain signals to the brain. so does cannabis. it also decreases inflammation
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which is often the source of the pain. it seems to be safer and do things opiates can't do. >> all right. tune in. sanjay's special report this sunday night at 8:00. time now to hand it over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." this is "cnn tonight." i'm dobson lemon. we are live in washington for you. we are following multiple big stories tonight. first breaking news on the russia investigation to tell you about. the russian lawyer who met with donald trump jr. and other members of the trump campaign who claim to have dirt on hillary clinton now revealing she has klocloser ties to the creme than than she previously admitted. listen to what she tells nbc. [ speaking a foreign language ] natalia veselnitskaya disclosing that
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