straight back, like no time had passed at all. >> the band released a statement saying we may have couple of age but the song is new and feels good. and i, for one, will be listening. >> i'm excited for you. >> i appreciate that. >> tell me sade is going on tour. that will do it. see you back here. shania twain and kanye west said positive things about donald trump. if consumers can't tolerate

public vow viewers. -- when president obama hand the the reigns to president trump he warned the biggest problem would be the korean missile threat. now that they're finally ending the conflict after 65er kbr yeal trump receive any credit. jeff green field is here to weigh in. depedestri depending on what side you're on -- i want to know what does the evidence show? and 30 years after his rampage of rachltpe and murder, the gol state killer is finally behind bars. but first, this week the internet em ploeded over celebrities kanye west and shania twain will dared express

admiration for president donald trump. people are claiming they will boycott their work and concerts. twain, a canadian felt compelled to apologize after saying if she could have she would have voted for president trump because of his forthrightness. she backtrack was my answer was awkward but should not be taken as representative of my values, nor does it mean i endorse him. i make music to bring people together. my path will be one of inclusivity as my history shows. no doubt twain panicked about possibly damaged her brand just as she embarks on a comeback tour. then came kanye west. on wednesday here's what he tweeted. you don't have to agree with trump but the mop can't make me not love him. . we are both dragon energy. he is my brother. i love everyone. i don't agree with everything anyone does, that's what makes us individuals and we have the right to independent thought.

meanwhile, it was revealed by the "new york times" this week that at a private meeting last fall about the national anthem controversy, the owner of the philadelphia eagles, when describing president trump used a profanity to emphasize distas truss before adding don't quote me. this has me wondering if lovers are shania twain or kanye west who don't' prove of the president see fit to walk away from recording artists from expressing a rather benign political opinion that has nothing to do with their work than will philadelphia eagles fans e fans appendix pektsed fans be expected to abandon the team? should social circles be defined by red and blue colors. if you learn that your pet groomer, favorite restaurant

owner, rama can nick don't shar your grounds, is it reasonable grounds. is a teacher for a yard sign for a candidate you didn't support no longer fit to teach your kids? that shania twain would think she needed to apologize for a vote she never cast for donald trump is a sat commentary on today's political inincivility. i say if you look their music listen to it. if you respect what the eagles accomplished. support them but to take out somebody's views on their livelihood, that don'ti impress me much. do they have anything to apologize for regarding their pro-trump remarks? so, where is america's partisan identification on

everything going to take us. joining me now two great guests. senior editor of the national review. he's got a brand new view. suicide of the west, how the rebirth of tribalism, populism, nationalism and identity politics is destroying american democracy and "new york times" reporter who's new book, chasing hillary, ten years, two presidential campaigns and one intact glass ceiling. amy, there's no room for nuance, isn't that the takeaway from shania twain and kanye west? >> absolutely. i mean i wrote a book that i think is sympathetic and incredibly honest about my own mistakes and those of hillary clinton and her campaign. it's a really honest nuance portrayal, and the reaction has been very eye opening. i mean intense backlash from both sides. i think to your point we saw

what happened to the dixie chicks. you can consume news entirely based on your own biases. this is exacerbating the problem that you only want to consume whether it's books or newspaper articles that confirm your existing biases. >> the tribalism that you write about in your book is that which presumably caused twain to make a business decision thinking i better set out these tweets. >> look. i mean i think she probably made a silly mistake in tweeting about this -- about saying anything about who she'd vote for in another country to begin with. and these tweets are kind of like saying i immediately regret my decision. but, part of the problem we have in our culture is we are increasingly seeing politics as entertainment and when we see politics as entertainment we root for villains in a way we

see us versus them. at the same time our entertainment is politicized. one of the problems is you get people becoming spectators and view everything through a prism of facebook and television and not actually living in their own communities, we tend to not only politicize your lifestyles, we turn our politics into a lifestyle and it becomes very difficult to see where the bright lines are and judge people because of their affiliation in ways we never have before. >> right. it's a lack of evidentiary thinking, and more of -- well tell me who's on both sides of the aisle. oh, that person or that group oppose z this? then they pick their own side. >> right. in my book i call it ex-stat ix -- something worth doing own by because it makes your enemies feel bad. do it to own the libs or your

tears are delicious. it doesn't matter what the policy is underlying the position, it's just simply i want to punish the other side because we're at this tribal mind set. >> amy, from your book, the quote, they were never going to let me be president. is that not part of the same conversation we're having? >> well, right. that goes back to the 90's and hillary clinton's belief there's a vast right wing conspiracy working against her and her husband, and she has a long list of adversaries, some real and some imagined, but to me, as a public figure, she's always been sort of a barometer of this division. people want to see her either as a saint or a sinner. and the fact is that like all of us, she's some of both and very much in between. >> i want to make the point i think my blame is at both ends and i'll illustrate by showing you both a clip from 2006, kanye west. roll it. >> the destruction of the people

of the people of southern louisiana and southern mississippi. george bush doesn't care about black people. >> that's the same kanye west being embraced by the right because now he's saying kind things about donald trump. it's only the here and now and which side you're on that matters. >> it's the nearest weapon. sort of a point you got into in your column about shania twain. it used to be if i asked you if were you a republican or democrat 40 years ago, i'd have to ask you follow-up questions to find out if you were liberal or conservative. today, partisan affiliation tells a tells you more about someone. it's becoming a secular religion. part of it comes from this big sort upstream from washington in our culture where we only want to associate with people who

agree with us. or share our values, and so any time there's somebody on the throne, as it were, who comes from a different value set, you just assume they've an exist ten shall enemy and go into a panic about it. >> amy, i'm going to get into the joy reed situation later but i put it in the same category where it almost seems to matter not to some whether she uttered these statements. instead, it's she's on msnbc and how do i feel about that tick ar cable outlet. >> absolutely. i covered hillary clinton and barack obama when i was the correspondent at "the wall street journal" and all of the readers assumed i was conservative running around who hated democrats. as soon as i switched to the "new york times," it was the opposite. you have a liberal bias and you're in the take for hillary. there's very much this identity associated with these networks. i think some fair and some imagined. >> final word goes to you, on

the joy reid relevance to this discussion. >> i think she has behaved poorly in this in the sense i think she probably wrote. there's all sorts of things i wrote 17 years ago i'm embarrassed about. but the conspiratorial approach and counting on the fact her fans will go with her. i flatly don't believe it's true there was acting involved. but this assumption that you can put a story out for your fans and they will pick it up and believe it simply because of the sort of tribal attachment to your heros and because you don't like her enemies. i think it is really kind of sad. she should have owned up to what she wrote, said i've matured since then and moved on. >> i have read both of your books. they're terrific. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. thanks. >> what are your thoughts tweet me & smerconish. nope. they don't owe an apology but i

don't owe them anything either. if would have unfollowed kanye but but i didn't have to because obviously you weren't following him to begin with. >> my take it this. if you look their music, then support it. and if it you don't, then you don't. but to get so into it as to say oh, they said something favorable or unfavorable about president trump and now i'm going to take it out of my iphone i think goes too far. where does that thinking end? go to my website at smerconish.com. answer this question. do they have nic to apologize for regarding their pro-trump remarks? won't it be interesting to see the results at this end of this hour. up ahead, north and south korea finally ending the conflict after 65 years where the news comes on the watch of president trump, will he ever receive any credit from political opponents, jeff green field is here to weigh in. as i was just mentioning.

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the korean war finally comes to an end this july after 65 years, even those who don't support president trump might be willing to give him credit. when president obama was leaving office he warned president trump the north korean nuclear threat was likely to be the most urgent problem he would confront. how did trump decide to handle it? by belittling kim jong-un on twitter as little rocket man rattling people to the point where some roo lobbying to have the president's smart phone taken away. when we look back at this time will trump have achieved a legacy in foreign policy or will his style prevent him from getting his just due. joining me now, emmy winner jeff greenfield. this was another of those topsy tur vy weeks. but it was something stunning, six months a year ago we wouldn't have believed to

happen. >> it reminds us once again that the visceral power of visual images can sometimes just dominate what we think about the news. when we see president carter and sadat shaking hands. when ronald reagan and gorbechev. and those pictures, that picture of the two leaders of the koreas stepping over that concrete barrier, immediately, makes you think wow, something has changed. what has to happen is a kind of more sober remembrance that the presidents or leaders of the two koreas met 18 years ago. in some sense, what i'm saying is we do have to remember that in the past, american presidents have been been charlie brown and

north korea has been lucy with the football. that picture should both encourage us, given what we thought might be happening a few months ago but remind us there's some serious stuff before we can actually celebrate a genuine change of -- permanent change in that peninsula. >> okay. and the biggest optics, i'm so glad you framed this the way you just have. biggest optics presumably are yet to come when it's president trump with kim. what are you expecting from that moment? >> well, again, expecting an enormous amount of gee, wiz, who ever thought this would be possible. and sometimes in the past, those kinds of pictures have told us something really important. president nixon greeting in beijing. question is whether or not that picture which will dominate

every front page and every television network and smart phone is actually the pre kcur sor to something that will change everything. president already seems to think he was agreed to denuclearize which which he means he's going to get rid of all the nuclear weapons first. that has not been the position of north korea ever. question is after the handshakes, what happens when the two of them sit down and actually try to hammer out an agreement. that's why the picture can sometimes not only be 1,000 words, but several hundred words that may not be accurate in terms of what's going on. >> i want to share with you an observation in the "times" today. can we put that up. an apparent inconsistency between the iranian posture and that with the korean peninsula. quote, by pledging to break one nuclear deal just as he enters negotiations for another,

mr. president trump risks sending the message american promises are empty giving adversaries very little to make concessions. point being there's risk involved here for president trump. this is not a certain win. >> right. but i have to say that i think compared to what a lot of folks were fearing several mons months ago that we were virtually on the edge of a genuine confrontation, war confrontation, the fact that something seems to have changed, even if it's just an effort by north korea to try too pull the wool over our eyes again. if you measure these things more modestly, that is -- that's better. i think it's winston churchill's favorite line. i noticed to your point you made in the introduction, that both writers in "the washington post" and the "new york times" have said yeah, i think trump deserves some credit for moving kim and moving north korea

toward a more at least apparent effort at some kind of accommodation. you trace that back to the olympics, to the fact that china seems to have pushed north korea, it's very hard. it reminds me of what you guys talked about in the earlier segment. i think for some people it is so hard to look at the way trump has behaved which lord knows is worthy of much criticism and even come to the conclusion that on anything, well maybe on this his instincts may be bearing fruit. it's hard sometimes. it's very hard in a time of polarization for one side to say, yeah, when you go back and look at what kind of credit, if any, did any republican ever give barack obama for anything in eight years. so that's kind of with are we are in the domestic response to this. i thought it was interesting that a couple of voices in anti-trump publications if you will, have said yeah, he gets points for this.

>> yeah. i see it all related in the same conversation i had. this tribalism has gotten the best of too many of us. thank you foreb for being here. let's see what you're saying. what do we have in facebook, how wonderful president trump ended the korean law. hey, stacy i'm willing to give hem credit for the current posture. i don't want to be premature but i'm willing to say i think his 'tour with regard to kim probably scared the held out of him and is reminiscent to me how the iranian hostages came home literally as ronald reagan was being sworn in because i believe the identibelieve -- >> he deserves no credit for bringing north korea to the table. he only inflamed the situation

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♪ depending on who you believe, msnbc anchor joy reid is either the victim of a hack or someone with a long history of homophobic writings. she came under scrutiny from her blogs. they are weshe a -- she appeare to mark gay celebrities and other. the post variously insinuated things about charlie -- another example. quote, here's your chance to park sparks fly as sean hannity

get a got topping off from vice president dick cheney. in writing about homophobic remarks by an nba star she opined most straight people cringe when seeing two men kissing. when certain posts surfaced last year she apologized saying she evolved since then. but with newly discovered post she says they're fakes and she was hacked. -- including personal e-mail and blog. yet, as experts and journalists investigated her claims are being hacked are not panning out. leading me to wonder if this is going to be a situation where the cover-up could have more consequence than the initial act itself. reactions are all over the place. and seem to be falling along partisan lines, not evidentiary ones. sex advice coloni-- tweeted did

stupid battle. -- my earlier guest tweeted i wrote things 17 years ago i'm embarrassed by. i'd be even more embarrassed if i find myself claiming hackers made them up. just apologize or recant or stand by what you wrote. but this stuff is sad. then the daily beast, which -- claims by her cyber security expert fall apart, which led the inner -- tweet scathing report proving the hacking tail she told is based on an utter farce. despite that, we have democrats today tweeting i stand with joy. just spend a minute pondering what those democrats are saying about themselves. my next guest is an expert who has researched all of this. joining me now is michael nelson, professor of computer

science. dumb it down for me. i want to know what does the evidence show relative to her having been hacked? >> yes. so the evidence that we can find in the web archives do not support her version of events. so there are several posts in question, and i won't go over all of the posts, but i've read the letters that her lawyer sent to both google and the internet archive, and for one example that we can discuss in detail, there was a post from 2006, january 11th, and in that post, there are two posts that her lawyers argue that she did not write. so, there are copies of that post in the internet archive which have since been redacted using something called a robot exclusion protocol from her camp. but the key issue is a copy of

that page still exists in another web archive, in this case, the library of congress web archive, so we can go and inspect that page, and one of the things that we see is the window of opportunity, if there were a target the hack, is as small as less than 30 minutes for a hacker to go in, change the content, have the internet archive make a copy of that page, and in 2006, you could not control when the internet archive came to visit your page. you can do that now, but not then. so the window of opportunity for this hack to have occurred and nobody to have noticed, including joy reid and other people controlling the blog, it does not seem like a likely explanation of events. >> if the 2006 blog that you're referring to were hacked, would it have been hacked recently? or hacked back in 2006? or don't you know?

>> so this is actually a really important point. i think a lot of people don't understand the difference between the kinds of crawling that google does and what a web archive like the internet archive does. when they visit a page, they make a snap shot of it, and index it under the date that it was visited. in this case, january 11, 2006. they might come and visit it later, and we might get additional snapshots of that page. but they would be indexed under the time that they were visited, which, so if they visited a year later in 2007, the content would be from 2006, but it would be indexed under 2007. google, on the other hand, every time it visits a page it overwrites the index with the latest content. this is important because if the blog were hacked say in 2007 or '08 and post back dated, which

you can do, in 2008, it could have been hacked for example and said this post appeared in 2006. it would show up under the 2008 version of the internet archives copy of that page, no at the 2006. so the internet archive is actually the tool that allows us to establish when certain pages were observed by an independent party. and to the extent that we can no longer see the full contents of what's in the internet archive in part because someone in joy reid's camp has put a robot text to block that, it becomes harder to establish when he certain posts were made and how they persists over time. >> let me see if i have it. a snapshot is essentially taken in real-time for close there jaft. so if there were a hack taking place more recently you'd be able to compare the two images.

>> that's correct. it's like taking a picture. if i take a picture of a building and then the next month that building is vandalized or spray painted, the spray paint doesn't show up on my picture. so the picture, the snapshot shows the building that particular point in time but anything that hans ppens to tha building is not reflected in the snapshots we have indexed z under the time where the images were taken. >> and if she were a victim of a hack back then, you would have expected her in 2006 to say something about it, perhaps the reason she said nothing in 2006 is because they were her words. and not those of a hacker. >> that seems like the most likely explanation. so, sometimes blogs are hacked, or vandalized, but if you are interacting with the blog a lot, you would notice this, and edit that content out. and often this is in terms of comments so you just delete them. but if somebody's actually entering your site and changing

the content, first thing you do is change your password. so the fact we don't have any contemporary 2006 era notes about this was blocked, i removed a post that was incorrectly stated suggests that it was actually a legitimate post that stayed over time. i'd like to also point out that she -- at this time was a prolific blogger and blogging as many as ten times per day. so the idea that it was hacked and it wasn't noticed doesn't seem to hold up either. because if you're chicaecking o something 10 times a day you would notice fraudulent content. >> that's what i wanted. dispassionate evidentiary thinking, not left or right. thank you for that professor. >> thank you, michael. thanks for having me. let me check in on your tweets and facebook comments. time for one, i think. what is it? leave her alone.

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that louisianaasted for years. he tormented his victims, some he shot and killed. others bludgeoned to death. he wore a mask and bound his victim's hands. law enforcement identified him using dna obtained at one of the crime scenes but there was no match. clue came from an amateur genealogy website why search.org. they compared their sample to people seeking family tree information. at first they identified the wrong man, a sickly 73-year-old. they eventually located de angelo using a different site, ged match, the site which is never advertised lets users upload dna profiles to expand the search for relatives. investigators upload the the crime scene dna froefl to ged

match using a fake profile and pseudonim and found a distant relative of d'angelo before narrowing it down. what does this mean for us who are looking for ancestry who sent our dna swabs and those who get tested at hospitals. are they unwittingly going into a registry accessed by lauchl. joining me now peter pits who's now president for the center for medicine in the public interest. he published this piece in forbes. privacy delusions of genetic testing. >> i have given a swab. was it in the fine print somewhere that i overlooked that it could have this ramification? >> well, when you check i agree at the bottom of these sites you're basically giving a lot of these companies the ability to share or sell your data to a

variety of sources. so i guess the two key words here are unintended consequences. these tests are more than just fun things to chat about at work or share at a memorial day barb. they have serious consequences. we saw on the one hand to be used for good to capture a criminal but also used for ill. imagine if your genetic information is stolen. if you think having your social security number is bad. imagine genetic thift on the genetic level. >> something that occurs to me after reading your piece, by cheging the box i'm not only impacting myself. i'm impacting my family. right? i'm now essentially putting all of us into a database. >> that's exactly right because it's going to implicate or identify other members of your family. a lot of these websites say your information can't be identified, that's not necessarily true. there have been many examples that show you can pretty easily reidentify data.

you're not only putting yourselves at risk but your immediate family as well. >> how do we strike a balance because we're all celebrating the fact that presumably they've got the right guy through that dna break through, but at the same time i worry about the big brother implications. and, as i understand there's n regulation. >> there's the act of 2008 that makes it illegal for employers for example to use genetic information to discriminate but you're not supposed to discriminate based on race, gender or sexual orientation but people get discriminated against all the time. this is now a new way that can be done. i think there may be a role for government. you don't want to stymie this but we need to be more certain about the security mechanisms that are guarding where we are. because if these websites get

hacked and all of a sudden millions of genetic information identifiers are out there, wow, that's a bad proposition. >> so the trial lawyer in the -- upon first learning of this aspect of the story thought hipaa. is this not a hipaa violation? >> i certainly think it should be. we have to agree it's wonderful to catch the monster, but you want to be able to catch them with efrd usable in court. clearly this is somebody's private information. no permission was granted. before they grot the right guy, they got the wrong guy who's lying in a hospital bed. i guess you can't discriminate against people at work but it's okay to walk into an elderly man's hospital bed and swab the inside of his cheek. there are a lot of unanswered questions. this is not a parlor game, not science fiction. it's happening now. we have to have solid legal precedence, otherwise, criminals that are caught using this type of data are going to be set free

on appeal and that would be a disaster. >> hey, one other thing. apparently they used this guy's disposable dna. i suppose that means he threw away a cigarette or can of soda to which there were no privacy implications. >> that's right. if you don't swab somebody's cheek but they drew threw down of coffee cup or tissue -- not putting a security code on your e-mail, but what's happening to your personal bodily fluids in hospital rooms. >> nicely done. thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. >> sill to come, your best and worst tweets and facebook comments like this. smerconi smerconish, if you didn't do anything wrong in your life don't worry about submitting your dna. it's the 21st century. really? what about crimes against humanity. what about ethnic cleansing,

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