we may disagree, there is no hope for any of us. carlton: i've been living here 65 years. i wouldn't trade it for nothing. i guess i'll be here 'til they cut the lights out. player: mount view on 3. 1, 2, 3. team: mount view. when i was a kid, there were two countries, east germany and west germany, divided by a wall. at some point they realized the wall was dumb, they tore it down and now they're one. the great wall of china was built to keep out western civilization. how is that working out? the point is, walls suck. on this episode of "united shades of america, we're talking about the u.s./mexico border. we'll talk to people living on this side of the wall and people living on that side. who wants to talk? oh, you know, we should just book people the way we normally do.

this isn't going to work. sorry about that. ♪ >> my name is w. kamau bell. as a comedian i made a living finding humor in the parts of the america i don't understand. and now i challenge myself to dig deeper. i'm on a mission to reach out and experience all the cultures and beliefs that add color to this crazy country. this is "the united shades of america." baas ♪ let's get some things straight. there are things that are real and imaginary. things real are quantifiable and predictable like graffiti, climate change, kneeling during the national anthem means that you don't hate the truths and that hot doughnuts always taste better than cold doughnuts. that's science. then there are things that are imaginary, like borders. think about it. borders are pretend lines drawn

on the earth by americans and i do mean by americans as a way to divide up land and sometimes the borders just don't make any damn sense. like this town. it's divided into 30 different par celts in three square miles between belgium and the netherlands. big shutout to all my baarle-hurtag people. i think we have to recognize the temporal nature of borders. for example the u.s./mexico border. even though act like it's been around since the dinosaurs it's only settled in the '70s. even though it's added through history. many people act like it's an eternal problem process. i'm in the sure if you heard but president trump has an idea how to solve it. >> more than ever we need the wall. we are going to build the wall. >> we will build the wall. >> it will be built. don't even think about it. don't waste your breath. >> oh, yes, the wall. why does he want that wall so bad again. >> when mexico sends its people. >> nope, nope, nope not going to listen to that on my show.

and the ridiculous thing is that our relationship with mexico is actually pretty good. we haven't been at war with each other for more than 150 years, and if you want to get rid of undocumented americans, then you're getting rid of people like this. >> there are tens of thousands of dreamers in the houston area making their mark in the aftermath of hurricane harvey, some like jessus, a paramedic who worked six days straight rescuing flood victims. don't we want more people like that? i want to find out what's going on the border so i'm headed to arizona and new mexico, gone joined twin cities separated by heavily guarded national bothered. first, i'll find out what the people on the u.s. side think about all of this. >> what's your name, sir? tell me about nogales, arizona. >> it's gone. >> oh. >> the way i grew up here it's gone. i got family both sides. my mother was born over here

hand my father over there. >> but in those days it was easier to go back and for the. >> not anymore. the crossing was very difficult so business started dying and dying. now it's empty. >> you say a lot of the businesses are closed? >> oh, yeah. >> the economics are terrible here. there's not a lot of stuff to do. >> so you think it should be easier to go back and forth in. >> yeah, that will help. i live here and i got a restaurant over there. >> you've got a restaurant over there. >> oh, what kind of food is it? >> mexican food, like a cafeteria. >> i thought maybe. >> the tequila is on me. >> really. what's it called in. >> leo's cafe. >> it's on facebook. >> check out leo's cafeteria. >> on facebook. you can't miss it. >> you can't miss it. >> you're all invited. >> don't invite everybody. i know these people. >> bring anderson cooper, too. >> now we've got to bring anderson cooper as well. >> herman is right. we're in downtown nogales, arizona during the day but it feels like it could be the middle of the night, and now i'm going to say something that i

don't usually say. it's not all president trump's fault because questionable border policies isn't just a trump thing. it's a u.s. president thing. from teddy roosevelt's mounted watchmen to an official board pare troll under calvin coolidge to the first mass deportation wave under eisenhauer's operation west back to clinton who pasted nafta and operation gatekeepers that built walls and further militarized the border to george w.'s establishment of homeland security and our current 650-plus mile steel wall president after president keeps voting our taxpayer dollar to tighten the u.s.-mexico border and again we haven't been at war with this country since 1848 so presidential policy seems like a good place to start and there's no one i trust more to talk about this than my friend fafiana rodriguez, an artist,

organizer and activist who i have absolutely respect for. culture strike creates artist events for change and we're uniting in bisby, arizona. >> it's a trip because it's been like six years. >> yes. one of the first things i remember seeing is an artistic depiction of at that point president obama and under him or over around him were the words deporter in chief. hey, but obama's the best at everything he does. some people on the left like to sort of always demonize the bad policies that come from the right. >> oh, hell no. no. i mean, obama had taken office in 2008 and really helped build the deportation apparatus which is what trump is using now. he implemented programs such as secure communities and essentially said local police

need to share their data with i.c.e., and so he really grew the entire system and as a result you saw deportations at the highest they had ever been for any president. we're talking at rates of over 1,000 a day, about 1 million people. >> wow. >> why is it that people who are quote, unquote anti-immigration, why don't they see those as families or people that need and their family needed help? >> i think words and language create inconscious bias, symbols, imagery, because in the '90s i remember watching tv and seeing the commercials that say invasion. >> they keep coming. 2 million illegal immigrants in california. >> you would see brown guys running are, and the symbol of the border has been such a powerful symbol, really in creating a very lasting anti-immigrant wave. >> yeah. >> now let's talk about the wall. >> yeah. >> the physical, like, you know, as an artist, how you see it, what your thoughts are when you hear about them building a bigger wall, a more powerful

wall. >> as a metaphor, as a story, it's extremely compelling. i mean, the president is a straight-up performance artist. like he is a really powerful storyteller. he is speaking to people's fear. the story is very compelling. >> he's like an artist and reality doesn't matter. he's just painting his canvas. >> it's fiction and it's imagined and for artists our time is really now because we need the metaphors for the future, and artists, you know, that's what we do. we create new symbols. it's the power of culture. artists have a big role to play there, and that's our superpower. >> yes, you know. >> yeah, yeah. i knew i would invite you to the bay area, hippie, liberal, leftist. that's right, that's right.

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it's heartbreaking to see all these trees dying. what guides me is ensuring that the public is going to be safer and that these forests can be sustained and enjoyed by the community in the future. this morning i'm headed to the mexico side of nogales, and if you need an example of how mexico views americans coming to their country, here it is. yup, i'm just walking in. harder to get on the subway. where are you from? >> do you want it in spanish or english. >> let's spry spanish, sore. >> so you're from sonora, mexico. i'm trying to see how good my spanish is. where do you live here? >> here in nogales senora.

>> you're getting it. >> and what are you doing today? [ speaking spanish ] >> you should probably go back to english. i heard you work. that's all i got. [ speaking spanish ] y. >> oh. so it's true that american citizens can come to mexico and buy pharmaceutical drugs without a prescription? >> oh, no, no, no. >> what about cialis? >> i'm just asking for a friend. >> okay. this is for a guy i know. is it safe in this town? >> it's a safe place to live, yes. >> do you think this wall will make it more safe or less safe? did it make a difference? >> less safe because there's more restriction. the more restriction we have on people, the more rebellious.

>> the more rebellion, simple as that. >> what is that saying? do you know what he's saying? >> oh, it's a supermarket. >> i thought it was some sort of like -- the revolution is coming. time to rise up, brothers and sisters. we're going to take down that wall! it's about melons and cucumbers. if you could say something to president trump right now, what would you say? you can look right in there and talk to president trump. >> senor trump, with all respect -- >> translator: mr. trump, all due respect are we not thieves. we are not delinquents. we're people who work and know how to work because we want to help our country, and we're not asking for anything.

[ applause ] >> gracias. thank you. thank you. >> thank you very much. bye. >> i'll see you later for some cialis. nogales feels different than nogales, arizona. i'm 200 feet from where i talked to herman. the energy here is vibrant and fun. we could use some of this on the american side. too bad this wall is in the way, and yes, there's already a wall as a re-mile-per-hourer. here's what people don't seem to know. here's a segment i like to call get to know your border wall. this $3 million piece of wall is made of concrete layers, steel beams and barriers fit for the beaches of normandy. at over 650 miles it runs sporadically from california to texas with the most continuous section along arizona y.sporadically?

that's because the parts that don't have a wall are pretty much impossible to build a wall on because of hazardous terrain. also, you can't put a wall on a river. again, just science. but for our current president, this isn't enough. and while the future of the new wall seems to change every day, construction of prototypes took place in october of 2017 in san diego. to take a look at this issue both structurally and ethically, i'm on the american side of the wall to talk with engineer dr. darsho carlisle. let's talk about the idea of where the nation is at right now where there's a lot of talk about the trump wall. let me show that. it's not really connected to any sort of like current reality. >> right. >> so there were two calls for proposals put out. eight prototypes were chosench the teams have been given 30 days to build a 30-foot long and ostensibly 30 foot high wall. >> the way you describe it and it makes sense that it sounds like this. he hosted one reality show.

this is a back door pitch for another reality show. six teams, 30 days, to build a wall. >> welcome to america's got talent but it's wasting it on building this wall. so let's talk about this -- is that -- is that the noise of the loudspeaker? >> it's funny. as we sit here talking about this border and this wall, like we can hear the sounds of life over there. in any other situation we'd be like let's walk over there and see what's happening. does he have ice cream? let's check it out. >> our questioning the nature of the nation state itself. >> is that what i'm doing. i just want some ice cream. so now let's talk about the other piece of this. every president has a moment of should i do this? is this the right thing to do, you know. no matter what field you are there are questions like is this the right thing, or is this going to hurt people?

>> so that's a complicated question. >> great. >> that's what we do on this show. >> well, so, every professional society has a code of ethics, and like the first canon is about engineers holding paramount the safety, health and welfare of the public, but it's really hard to define what those words mean. you know, what public are we talking about? whose health are we talking about? what does safety actually mean? engineers i feel and firms need to be equipped to at least conte context tourly answer those questions. from an ethical and world standpoint i don't think something like this should be done. for now this may be politically necessary or something like that, but say it takes three, four, five, six years to build something like this and politics of the situation have inning chaed, then what? like, this is there for a long time. >> it will help define who we are as a country. >> this isn't a tea cup or

something that can be gotten rid of, right. a whole other part of this is there are parts of the border where the infrastructure to actually build it doesn't actually exist so you need to make the roads to go there. how do you set up the camps for the workers who are going to be there? like there are all these other infrastructural questions just to build it. >> we're talking about the engineers, really talking about the engineers on this side. a whole bunch of people over there who may not have engineering degrees, but no matter what you put up they are going to be like, all right, everybody. let's get together and work on this. >> 30-foot wall and 31 food ladder, right?

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the wall are most of the people trying to smuggle drugs just trying to get here? >> see, that's the thing. you don't know there is not a magic device i can point it at sob he wants to come over and work here. he wants to come over and provide for his family. he wants to come over to commit crimes. >> i think that's the biggest thing that most people miss. we're not anti-immigration. we want people to come in through the front door. we're all product of immigration ourselves. >> i would imagine there are probably friends or family in your community that wouldn't be happy with the fact that you have become border agents. >> i actually arrested an individual. she asked me, how can you do what you do when you're a mexican? first and foremost i am and american. second of all you hear about the people dieing in the desert they die because i didn't catch them. think about it. in a sense every arrest i make is a rescue. right here as we go up you see rust, right? at the same time you can see footprints and handprints all

across the fence right here. >> this area right here is worn different colors. so the rust color is the natural color of the fencing. but the hand oils, the dirt changes the color of the tube from the amount of use that people try and get over. >> we know they can cross it. this is just what we utilize to give our agents an additional amount of time. >> so there is not necessarily a wall thap could be built where you'd be be like that's all we need. >> no. no. >> i wish it was that easy. people want like a magic silver bullet, and there is none. >> come on up. >> all right. >> all right. now we're talking about a more remote area. from here they get away from us it's going to take hours to days. you can feel the heat on you. you can imagine what they're told. they're being told it's a short walk. but in reality the trip is three to five days. >> that's the trip once you get on this side. >> that's once you get on this side.

>> temperatures here with reach well over 100 degrees. combine that with mountain pass at over 3,800 feet. add a liberal amount of snakes scorpion, coyotes and wildcats, and you've got an obstacle course that can turn deadly at any given step. >> so here we are, kamau. this is the end of the infrastructure that we have in place. it doesn't actually span the whole border, at least not yet. but that's what the border used to look like there. >> right there? >> those sticks and that barbed wire fence right there. >> wow. >> you know what you're walking on right there, kamau? that's a trail. you can see it's already started growing back. >> oh this here. >> this used to be a trail where illegal immigrantsere walking through. >> wow. >> not that long ago becse somebody ate candy here recently. >> look at that. you just smelled to find out how fresh that candy is. now i think people at home seeing this right now are going see? this is why we need to build a bigger -- you know.

this is why -- i'm quoting. >> i understand. air quotes. >> but even this is not a hard thing to get over, then you got to go through this. >> exactly. that's the dangerous part. but see over there in the distance? what's that? that's our tower. even though he thinks he is not seen, we're watching him. they finally saw you wave. >> where is my passport? i'm with you. it's all right. it's all right. >> out here it's low tech high-tech with a digital wall with 8,000 cameras, 11,000 underground sensors, 107 aircrafts, including drones. a blimp and other repurposed military gear used in afghanistan and iraq. >> so then what's a taller wall going to do exactly? >> we're glad that you decided to talk to us so people can understand what kind of service we are doing for them. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> i've got to be honest. i'm always hesitant in these situations.

these officers seem like good guys. they believe they're helping people. i had fun. but these officers over here ares are border patrol and a couple months after we were there this video came out showing proceed patrol officers that i hadn't met destroying water supplies from activists trying to help people not die. >> somebody left on the trail. >> while the agency released a statement they they condone the actions. they admit there are still border patrol agents out there like this and like this. which are there more of? it's hard to know. but there is no question that the water was there to save lives. if anybody knows what's what happens to people out there when they don't have enough water, it's dr. bruce anderson, a medical examiner for pima county, arizona. so tell me where we're at. >> we are in the receiving room aged what we receive here, of course are, decedents. everything fl a dead body to a single bone which could be found in the desert. bull but all of the deceased people come in the back door.

>> to be clear this is not just for people at the border. this is for anybody in the county. >> everybody. the vast majority come in here with a name. there is no question about the identification. with the migrants foreign nationals who die outside in very harsh conditions, that's not true. maybe mexican citizens, central american citizens. we've had 2,800 such deaths over the last 18 years. we identified about 1,800. that leaves us about a thousand currently unidentified. >> i hear you using words like migrant and foreign national. you seem to be purposeful with those words. those are not the words we on tv hear. >> most of them were migrating, trying to get from mexico through arizona to any of the other states in this country for a job. a few are smugglers. the vast majority seem to be from what we learn from the identified people to be migrants who were going to do the blue collar jobs. >> yeah. so we're going to go in here now?

>> this is the cooler. this is where we keep all the remains before autopsy. >> so the first thing i notice is the smell. is that the smell -- that's the smell of the people? >> it's decomposition odor, yeah. there must be 50 or 70 bodies here, and they're all unidentified. they will be released and either buried or cremated as john doe or jane doe. >> and their families will never know what their end was? >> the vast majority of these folks shouldn't be dead. they're in the prime of life, 20 to 30, in good shape. they wouldn't be dead except they crossed a dangerous desert. >> at what i would define as a stupid point in american history. for the unidentified the journey back to their families begins with dr. robin rink for the center for human rights. her organization works to reconnect family was the loved ones using the few belongings

left when the remains were discovered. >> it's kind of the typical case. there is an id card here. so that's a strong clue. but a lot of times people will carry a false id card or the chaos of the crossing they'll mix up id cards. >> just because there is an id it doesn't mean it's this person? >> exactly. there are clues. they can help tell a story. they can help the family to heal. they can help the family to connect to something when they're given skeletal remains and said this is your son. i remember a woman was carrying a spanish/english dictionary, and she had a little sheet where she was practicing english, saying my name is -- >> preparing for a new life. >> you could feel that sense of hope. yes, yes. what do you think about when you hear people talk about the wall? >> we have a wall already. it's an err responsible, inhumane policy. if you look at the data from

1990 through 1999, this office saw an average of 19 fatalities believed to be migrants. from the year 2000 through the present, the average jumps up to 175. per year. that's like a medium size plane crash every year in southern arizona. these are special, individual irreplaceable human lives. for example, we just notified the daughter of a woman who had been missing since 2011, esperanza. her daughter said "it's my birthday today. this is the best birthday gift for me because i get to reclaim my mom's the other story and to know how it ended. and to have her mom's body. >> wow. >> we believe that our duty is for healing and for justice and also a messenger, hopefully to other americans to be ready to speak out against this and to

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2340 big deal. >> really? what year was this? >> mid-70s, '80s. when i moved here, there was 400 border patrol agents. but now there is over 1200. >> whoa. >> that's too many border patrol agents. >> they are not kidding about the rise of security. in 1992 there were just over 3500 agents along the southwest border. in 2017 there were over 16,000. and they are still hiring. >> so guess what they put their wall? right behind my property. >> you hear president trump talking about we need a bigger wall, like a 30-foot hall. what do you think about that? >> i'm not in favor of it, and i don't like it. it doesn't make me feel any safer. do you feel safer? that's the real question. >> we're not afraid. >> let that sink in. these are white people who live on the boarder who don't want the wall. >> over the years, we'll get some crossers.

if they approach my house, it's only because they need help. >> we've had illegal aliens tell us when the coyote drops them off, they think oklahoma is two miles that way. >> oh, yeah. >> they have no idea where they are. >> i had six young men one time that came with a little piece of paper, and it said "cleveland, ohio." their coyote told them if they walk that direction for two days, they will be in cleveland. >> oh my god. >> they are just people, lost people looking for something better. >> this is what people in washington d.c. are afraid of. people that for some reason are always the ones in front of the cnn cameras. >> well, look at this! look who put you in front of the cnn cameras. >> oh, here we go. here is a helicopter. >> wow. it's really close. sometimes shooting a tv show just works out because here we are having a conversation about there being too much security and what do you know, we're interrupted by too much security sponsored by your wasted tax dollars.

>> they are totally circling us. >> he's checking you out. >> i've been called a bad hombre. let's be clear, of course there is crime at the border, there is crime everywhere in america. that's kind of one of our things. but crime on the border can be unlike anywhere else. like check this quaint little house in nogales, arizona. there is something about this house that's pretty interesting. >> yes. it's called the tunnel house. la casa dtunnes. the longest tunnel ever found. the exit is here in my basement and it's from el chappo guzman's cartel. >> that's right. part of life on the border means you can rent a house that features a patched over underground drug tunnel. in fact, there is over 100 tunnels in nogales, arizona alone. but this one was operated by the notorious el chapo.

in case you need a refresher, here it is. >> so in case you're looking at border real estate, ask if any international drug lords owned it first. maybe you'll get a discount. >> just back this way? >> yes, back this way. >> so right there. >> right there, yes. >> this part that clearly looks covered. when did they tell you or did you know this was el chapo's? >> nobody told me. i googled the address to see it on google maps. and i saw these newspaper articles that it was called the tunnel house. i had rented the tunnel house. >> so you didn't know? >> no, i didn't know. so there is strange things in this house. >> you ever think you're going to knock on a wall and suddenly a door will open and drugs will fall out or something? >> yes. >> have you ever found anything? >> no. >> you're a stronger person than i am. or crazier person than i am to live in el chappo's tunnel house. yogi is a bear.

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today i'm back in knoll gals, mexico to check out a place that reveals the human

cost of america's immigration policy, and i'm meeting with one of its leader, father sean carol. tell me where i'm at now. >> this is a place we provide two meals a day, mostly to deportees. >> this is their first welcome back to mexico? >> it really is essentially. we provide food, clothing. this is critical work here. >> are there people coming here who have been in the united states for years? >> yes. we're seeing an increasing number of people who have been living in the united states for a long time who are being deported in comparison to last year. some people thought their life was set up there, and suddenly they're deported and they find themselves in this room. >> sometimes almost overnight. >> since trump took office, no agency in america has had a greater impact on immigrations and customs enforcement, aka i.c.e., an arrests up from 2017. the trump organization made it so any undocumented immigrants in america today are vulnerable to arrest.

this empowerment has seen i.c.e. raid would be safe places like family homes, churches, sanctuary cities and even 7-elevens. and it seems like the true fallout is hard-working families being ripped apart like this one. >> no one should ever go through the pain of having their mom taken away from them. >> or this one. >> why do you want to take my brothers away from my family? why? >> or this one? >> it's so hard. they just pull you away. you can't even say bye to anybody. >> or this one. >> my dad was detained in front of me on my way to school. it was the hardest thing to watch. but i still went to school because my father showed me the importance of education. >> now stories like this seem to be happening every day because they are happening every day. i.c.e. picks you up, suddenly you're back in mexico. i would imagine at some point you're stuck with what do i do next?

>> we're people who grew up in the united states so for some of them, they're really in a foreign country. >> as an american, what do you feel doing the work down here? >> i don't think our current immigration policies reflect who we are as a country and who we want to be as a country. >> the thing that i find is the american thing to do would be to give people access to opportunity, family, and community. >> that's certainly something we're promoting. >> my wife is going to be very happy i ran into a jesuit. every time i talk to a jesuit, maybe i could be a catholic. after talking with father sean, i wanted to get involved. i wanted to hear the stories of the people i helped serve. the crowd is a mix of people who have been living in the u.s. for awhile and others who were there for just a few days. >> yeah, on tuesday. we got here last night.

>> this is for cecilia. for people like her with no prior record and arrested at the border, she was sent to a u.s. federal court and given a choice. plead guilty to a petty misdemeanor for unlawful entry and most likely get deported immediately, or risk sitting in jail for months of waiting a trial. what do you think she chose? what was the trip like to the border? [ speaking spanish ] >> cecilia's plan was to cross the border, find work, save money, and return to mexico and open a business. she had no plans to stay. did you try to figure out if there was a legal way to go to america? hearing about what cecilia went through gave me an opportunity to point out there is no easy way for immigrants to enter or

work in the u.s. first, on top of a passport, a visa is required which takes heavy documentation, money, an interview and several weeks, if not months with no guarantee you'll get it. let's say you do that, get in and want to work. well, only 66,000 immigrants from all countries are able to obtain seasonable work visas through employers and jobs outside farm labor each year. most importantly, access is limited to employers who take the steps to prove an american can't or won't fill the positions, which means immigrants aren't taking american jobs. what is your plan now? in the u.s.? >> not sure. so i don't think it's worth it now. it's just not worth it. so i'm going to have to wait. >> gracias. thank you.

thank you. >> cecilia's story was hard to hear, and i was super thankful to my producer vanessa sanchez who encouraged her to talk to me. as we wrapped up, they were having a moment so later i pulled vanessa outside from behind the camera to tell me what was going on. can you tell me what was going on there? >> yeah. so she came over to me, and she said that i reminded her of her sister. and her sister has her daughter in the states. she told me that her daughter gave her this bracelet when they were separated and told her that she would give it back to her when they're together. and she wanted me to have it to thank me for what i'm doing. and it just really touched me because i am a viirs generation latina. my parents migrated to this country in 1981 when they were 15 years old. only one time did they ever

actually speak about the journey and it was something out of a movie. and my parents walked, swam, ran, jumped, hid in the walls of a truck to get over here. so not until now do i like, see it, and i just want to run home and give them a hug and say sorry. >> why say sorry? >> because i was so bad when i was a teenager. i was just so bad, and, you know, they did everything for me, you know, for me to have the potential to be where i'm at now and i will have this forever. forever. >> it's the least you can do after being such a bad kid. you were such a bad kid. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much.

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completely lost in the u.s., mexico wall hysteria is a tribe named the tohono o'odham nation. they have been affected more by the line called the border than anybody else because this land was their home long before the u.s. and mexico even existed.

the border literally split their land in two with parts of their people in property on different sides. for my final stop i'm meeting with the tribe's chairman, edward d. manuel and the vice-chairman jose on the american side of their reservation. thank you for letting us come here today. it's beautiful out here. >> that's why we live here. >> makes sense. why not live where it's beautiful? i read that in your nation's language, there is not a word for wall. is that true? >> that's correct because the creator never gave us boundaries. we were nomadic. we moved around. we were never confined and so there is nowhere for a wall. >> yeah. >> we've never crossed a border, the border crossed us. >> talk about how long your people have been in this area of the world. >> we've been here since time immemorial. it's the place the creator has given us. >> time immemorial is a very, very long time. when time started, you were here. >> yes, yes.

>> we're a federally recognized tribe and our enrollment has about 34,000 with approximately 2,000 of them living what is now mexico. we traverse this what we call invisible border, the national boundary, daily, you know, for domestic, religious, and ceremonial purposes. >> what are your thoughts on suddenly someone says this is the border, if you're on this side, you're with these people and if you're on this side, you're with these people. >> yeah, when i first toured the border, i noticed there was a house on the u.s. side and the well was on the mexican side. >> so they got to go four miles to the north to get the water from the well and haul it back to their house. there is no plumbing. we have to go to the well and pump it into the barrels to take it back home. >> i mean, it's silly when you hear that. it just seems ridiculous. >> if they put up that wall, it's really going to make it

difficult for us because now we have to go around and drive two hours just to get to the port of entry. >> so instead of going straight through, you have to drive two hours to get around. >> the federal government is wanting to force this upon us to say they will put another slice through our heart again. so we welcome the trump administration to sit down at the table with us and let us talk. i will walk the 62 miles with them if he walks with me on that border. [ laughter ] >> i believe you would walk the 62 miles. i don't know if i believe he'll walk the 62 miles. maybe he'll roll next to you in a golf court. >> yeah, probably. >> thank you for your interest oncoming here. >> absolutely. >> the tohono o'odham, and meeting with us. >> absolutely. again, this idea of borders and walls is ridiculous. we're too good for this. here is the first people of this land and they didn't even have a word for wall. but it's clear our current border policies do need to

change. because too often there is a tragic human cost. well, the people i talked to, many of whom live on the border, have some ideas. >> what i would do is make it so that the borders would be porous so that we could really get to experience and connect and really see what happens when communities can work together to build a future. >> do a background check, let them in here, give them the job they want, that would then free up border patrol to chase after the guys that are smuggling guns and drugs and money. >> when you focus on a group and provide them the resource, they will succeed. so why don't we start with some of those things if we really want to be the true melting pot and the american dream. that's the dream that i'm looking for. >> damn straight.

well, coast-to-coast across the united states, good morning to you and to our viewers around the world this hour. you're watching "cnn newsroom" live from atlanta. i'm george howell. >> and i'm rosemary church. good to have you with us. let's check the headlines this hour. u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo says the u.s. goal in north korea remains denuclearization. he spoke with abc news on sunday about his recent meeting with north korean leader kim jong-un. his comments come ahead of a potential summit between president trump and mr. kim. pompeo says he believes there is a real opportunity this time with pyongyang. >> but now the u.s. secretary of state is inda