>> it's certainly being called a goodwill gesture from the state department, from the white house. they're saying if it happens, that is a goodwill gesture. and it wouldn't be a surprise if it were going to happen, because obviously the north koreans want to have something like this before that crucial summit. >> paula hancocks, thank you so much. i'm brianna keilar. thank you for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts now. "outfront" next, trump and giuliani going it alone, blind-siding the white house staff and legal team. sarah sanders unable to answer basic questions, admitting she's in the dark. does the white house press secretary have any credibility left? giuliani touting the release of three americans held by north korea. except for they weren't released. why is the president's personal attorney breaking national security news? let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, blind-sided.

that's how president trump's legal team says they're feeling tonight thanks to rudy giuliani's 24-hour media blitz starting with the bombshell that president trump paid michael cohen back the stormy daniels hush money. >> funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know -- he did? >> yeah, he fired comey because comey would not, among other things, say that he wasn't a target of the investigation. we got kim jong-un impressed enough to be releasing three prisoners today. jared is a fine man. you know that. but men are, you know, disposable. but a fine woman like ivanka? come on. >> each one of those statements leaving a trail of chaos on the president's own team. for example, the president, of course, said not even one month ago that he did not know about the stormy daniels payment. and those american hostages? the white house says it can't confirm they're being freed today. cnn is learning members of trump's legal team are angry

tonight saying giuliani was not prepared, winging it was the words they used, the press secretary at a loss. the best she could do, refer questions back to giuliani. >> i'm not part of the legal team and wouldn't be part of those discussions. i would refer you back to the statements, pretty lengthy statements, made by giuliani, both last night and this morning. >> okay. well, giuliani's explosive comments made front page headlines across this country and across the globe. and sanders was actually being diplomatic. one white house aide said giulia giuliani's interview stunned and shocked trump's communications staff, of which she is the leader. imagine how you'd feel if you were the president's spokesperson, and you had to go on camera, in front of the world, and admit this. >> when did you specifically know that the president repaid mr. cohen for the $130,000? you personally.

>> the first awareness i had was during the interview last night. >> okay. i mean, just think about that for a second. it certainly seems like her boss, president donald trump, has not been telling her or the american public the full story. let's just play the president's own words on air force one. this is april 5th. >> do you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> then why did michael cohen make it if there was no -- >> michael's my attorney, you'll have to ask michael. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> no, i don't know. >> so is giuliani saying trump repaid his lawyer $130,000 to pay off a porn star, and didn't know about it? no wonder there's chaos and anger at 1600 pennsylvania avenue tonight. jeff zeleny is "outfront" live at the white house. people inside the white house had no heads-up on what giuliani was about to do, the president's

own press secretary having to admit today she had no clue any of this even happened until rudy giuliani said it on fox news last night. >> erin, that was shocking. but i will tell you, not surprising. after what is this, 15 months of covering this administration, this white house, a pattern has emerged. the president sets the tone here, he tells his staff what he wants to tell them. so the press secretary has come out before us many, many times saying things she says are true at the moment, they turn out not to be true. but there is little question, based on a day long of conversations here with people, they were legitimately shocked by what rudy giuliani was doing last night. and if there's a credibility crisis, which one could argue there certainly is, that is rooted in the oval office. it's not a problem of the press secretary, it's certainly hers to deal with. but the reality here is this. there were two things going on today. there was the political fight going on.

that's what rudy giuliani was leading. that is the arena he is sharp and good in. the legal fight, it seems to me, will have to sort of be on the back burner for a touch. but the question is, as we leave, did the 11 fight get complicated by pushing for the political fight here? but one thing's clear, the white house press shop, the people we see as the face of the white house, they knew nothing about what was going to happen last night. >> all right, thank you very much, jeff zeleny. i'm sorry, i can't get over this. just to have at least the respect for your own press secretary, who's in charge of convincing the rest of the world that they believe in you, so everyone else should. the first i found out about it was last night during the interview. i can't get over it. "outfront" now, paul ryan, vice president for policy and litigation at the watchdog group common cause, which filed the complaint with the fec, federal election commission, and justice department about cohen's payment to stormy daniels, gloria borger, chief political analyst, and harry sandeck, former assistant district attorney for the southern district of new

york. blind-sided. the brand-new white house legal team, let's emphasize this, brand-new, all these new heavy hitters, all these people ready to go and they're blind sided and angry. >> they are. and my colleagues, pamela brown, evan perez, and i have been reporting this all day. what we're hearing is words like, blind sided. the president threw a grenade into all of this. that giuliani was winging it. and that giuliani has said he spoke with the president about this, and as we've said all along, the president is his chief legal strategist. so maybe they concocted this together. but it might have been nice for them to talk to the rest of the legal team about whether he ought to be doing this. because their sense of giuliani, from speaking to them today, that is he's the guy who ought to be out there delivering the message they need to deliver. which is, the president's being treated unfairly, comey doesn't tell the truth, the department of justice needs to start

dealing with congress, needs to start cooperating, and the president won't testify unless these questions are fair, et cetera. all of that. instead, what he did was he started talking about stormy daniels. he raises an issue nobody wanted to talk about. and oh, by the way, in doing that, he contradicted what the president himself has said. so he created more headaches for this new legal team, not less. >> and harry, you're a lawyer, let's talk about this. you've got these legal advisers in there, blind-sided, angry. gloria said grenade a word one of them used. emmett flood, powerhouse attorney who represented clinton on impeachment joined this team yesterday. everybody said this is a game changer, you've got this guy on here. are people like that going to want to stay on this team? how damaging is this for this new team? >> i think it's damaging, i think it's something that has to be worked out quickly. the lawyers have to get into a

room together, they have to make clear that no one's going to throw any grenades until there's a decision that a grenade needs to be thrown. the president's lawyer, giuliani, introduced all sorts of doubt about what happened with cohen, about what the real reason for firing jim comey was. there was no need to talk about any of that. >> right. all of those things, which we played several of them, were completely unnecessarily in the context of what at least the legal team thought they wanted out there, paul. and i want to turn to more what was giuliani said. of course remember trump denied knowing about the payment made to stormy daniels. it wasn't even one month ago. here's the operative question. >> to you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no, no. >> two-word answer, "no, no." here's what giuliani said last night about the payment. >> the president repaid it. >> oh, i didn't know -- he did? >> yeah. >> there's no campaign finance

law -- >> zero. >> so the president -- >> sean, sean -- >> this decision was made by -- >> everybody was nervous about this from the very beginning. i wasn't. i knew how much money donald trump put into that campaign. i said, $130,000? he's going to do a couple of checks for $130,000. when i heard cohen's retainer of $35,000, when he was doing no work for the president, i said, that's how he's repaying -- that's how he's repaying it. with a little profit and a little margin for paying taxes. >> all right, so paul, giuliani seems to be saying, right, and read between the lines, seems to be saying is, yeah, trump paid him back but trump might not have even known he was repaying cohen, he's paying this retainer, it's going to nothing, i have this great idea, let's apply it toward that porn star, we're done with this. does it matter if the president did not know that he was repaying cohen? >> it matters. it doesn't change common cause's allegations that there was an illegal contribution from cohen

to the trump campaign and that the trump campaign violated campaign finance law by failing to disclose this. but i'm going to back up a step. i cannot believe that donald trump at some point didn't become aware, didn't know about this payment to stormy daniels. and it was at that point that he had a legal obligation to have his political campaign amend their disclosure reports and report this political expenditure. rudy giuliani gave america evidence that the president committed a crime. we don't know the timing of the crime, but i cannot imagine he didn't know at some point that michael cohen had made this payment on his behalf. >> of course he's saying he didn't know. he went on twitter today and said this sort of thing happens all the time with celebrities, they're wrongly accused, don't worry about it, there's nothing to see here. he tweeted, mr. cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign, and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into private contract between two parties known as a nondisclosure agreement, nda. i want to make it clear it's obvious mr. trump did not write

this tweet, a lawyer did. >> it doesn't sound like him. >> trump on his twitter account saying the repayment had nothing to do with the campaign. is it possible, do you accept that? >> the timing of it makes it very hard to accept that. and in fact, one of the other things that rudy giuliani said last night was he stressed that this payment was made, thank goodness michael made it, it was right during the heat of the campaign, he did the right thing to make the payment, drawing the connection between the payment and the campaign that would make it a fec violation and against the law. >> gloria, michael cohen, of course, said in a statement, back in february, i used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to miss stephanie clifford, that's stormy daniels. neither the trump org or campaign was party to the transaction, neither reimbursed me for the payment directly or indirectly." this would appear to be very confusing. obviously now they're saying he got -- he was repaid. so "the washington post,"

giuliani goes to the "washington post" as part of his media blitz, he says, when asked when the president was told about the payments, giuliani says, he wasn't, since it was somewhere 10 to five days before the election, he wasn't told, even if he was told he wouldn't have remembered it like i wouldn't have remembered it. there's so much here, gloria. he couldn't have remembered? i just paid $130,000 to this porn star for you? >> of course. of course. it's hard for me to believe he wouldn't have remembered it. donald trump has a pretty good memory, as we know. >> yes. >> as he tells us. and i think michael cohen has made the case that he paid this out of his own funds, that he had to take out a loan to repay this. and what rudy giuliani is saying is that, no, this was part of some retainer that michael cohen was on, and that's how this got paid. so in a way, you know, rudy

giuliani, if i were on cohen's legal team, i'd be calling rudy giuliani today and saying, what are you talking about here? because they have a client who's been very specific about how he repaid this. and it seems to me like rudy giuliani, who by the way just joined the legal team, maybe he's not up to speed on everything that's been going on the last month or six weeks. but these two legal teams ought to be singing from the same song book, i would think. >> right. it would seem to me you're going to have an issue with michael cohen saying, what do you mean, my retainer is on top of it. >> of course, of course. >> rudy giuliani says, even if the president was told, he wouldn't have remembered it. the only way this makes sense is if this was the sort of thing, sort of person, description of a person, to whom the president regularly would have heard that

payments were being made, hush payments. would that change things? if this happened all the time, maybe the fact that it happened a few days before the election was coincidence or circumstance if it happened all the time? >> it wasn't coincidence or circumstance. the timing matters. also the motive matters. we know that stephanie clifford, aka stormy daniels, she was talking to major national media outlets about going public. rudy giuliani said this morning, imagine if this story came out on october 15th. this was all about the election. it's obvious. and the real problem here is the cover-up. donald trump could have made this payment without violating any campaign finance laws. it's permissible for him to have spent as much of his own money as he wanted to, to influence the election. he just had to do it transparently. because americans have a right to know who's spending money to influence the world on election day. >> who knows how this would have played out. if no one cared about the "access hollywood" tape, maybe they wouldn't have cared about this. credibility crisis at the white house. >> we give the very best

information that we have at the time. again, we give the best information possible at the time. >> look, she didn't know about the payment till last night, well, we all knew about it so maybe she doesn't have any information. giuliani warning bob mueller, don't go after ivanka. but her husband? disposable. confusion over the fate of three americans being held by north korea. giuliani says they were released today. but where are they? former cia director michael haten is my guest. but mania, such as unusualrder can changes in your mood,able. activity or energy levels, can leave you on shaky ground.

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tonight, credibility crisis. the white house press secretary, sarah sanders, pressed by reporters for clarity on the hush money payment to stormy daniels, gave very few real answers today. >> i would refer you back to the statements, pretty lengthy statements, made by giuliani. again, i can't get into the details of the ongoing litigation. i'd refer you back to the president's outside counsel. i'm not part of the legal team and wouldn't be part of those discussions. >> of course sanders has said the president was unaware of the hush money payment. so was she lying or was she truly just left in the dark? >> you said yourself blind-sided -- >> i didn't use that term. >> i said it but you were blind-sided from what you said? >> well, with all due respect, you actually don't know much about me in terms of what i feel and what i don't -- >> i want to understand how this

operates -- >> okay. april is here. that's who you just saw. as you know if you watch this show, you know april. she was asking the questions of sarah sanders, former senior communications adviser for the trump campaign jason miller, national affairs correspondent for "the nation," joan walsh. april, take us inside that room today. it was an incredible press conference, we have not seen one like it, and this is a administration in which we have never seen anything like what you deal with on a daily basis. how do you respond to sarah sanders? >> how do i respond? basically, i listen to the entire press conference, i was the last one. i got my question in by default. i listened to all the questions and answers and the very beginning, the first two, started off with the truthfulness of the president and as well as sarah, started going in on sarah about what she knew and when. there's so many different stories that are now coming out. rudy giuliani, the president's attorney, has not made it any easier after last night and this

morning, just making it worse by talking too much and giving this information that the white house did not know about. from my sources, the white house is very upset. i've been told about this conversation, this phone call that they had with him this morning. it was very contentious, that he didn't feel he needed to talk to the white house about it. so she from that podium, sarah huckabee sanders herself, said that she found out about it while she was watching, like all of us, fox news last night, when new jersey was there. so knowing that, from what she said, and hearing from my sources about this call this morning about how the white house wanted information, rudy giuliani was like, i don't have to give you anything. you know, that's where that question came from. you were blind-sided. she acknowledged she did not know. and then to go into the personal. it was not personal. it was not personal. what it shows me is that she was feeling that she was in a vise of sorts.

she went straight to me to say something like, you don't know me, in certain sectors of this nation people understand what you don't know me means. it's very street. and it leads to a fight. a physical fight. so i'm not there to fight. i'm there to ask questions. been doing it for 21 years very well. and i've had relationships with press secretaries. i just don't seem to understand why these last two press secretaries like to point me out. >> so jason, you know -- what is your response? sarah sanders was blind-sided, let's just be clear, okay? she was blind sided. let me just play it so everyone understands in case you didn't hear the first spot. she had no idea this was coming. here she is. >> when did you specifically know that the president repaid mr. cohen for the $130,000? you personally. >> the first awareness i had was during the interview last night. >> okay. april's description was accurate, jason. what do you make of sarah's response to her? >> look, i thought sarah did

fantastic today. the fact that we're talking about sarah not making a bunch of news, and that's actually driving the news, i don't think is necessarily a bad thing. i mean, the fact of the matter is, this white house should have had and this presidency should have had an outside counsel that was handling these types of issues a year ago. this is not the job of the white house, this is not the job of the white house press secretary. sarah does a fantastic job every single day -- >> that's not true -- >> no, it is true. sarah does a fantastic job putting forth information -- >> no, it's not true, i've been there 21 years and i remember impeachment with bill clinton. >> april, why are you making it personal? >> spin it the way you want to spin. >> wow, april -- >> she attacked me. she attacked me for asking a question, don't go there, honey. don't go there. >> you're like the fifth person to jump in and try to make -- >> bill clinton's attorneys -- >> april, let me finish -- >> i'm not going to let you spin it. i'm not going to let you spin it. >> april, i'm sorry that you're upset -- >> hold on, let april finish.

then you get your chance to respond. april? >> so the point is -- >> the bottom line, during the clinton years -- >> april first. >> so i don't get to finish? >> do you not hear what she's saying? no, not right now -- >> you weren't talking, april -- >> here's what happened. during the clinton years, when they had outside attorneys and inside attorneys, the white house press shop somewhat knew what was going on because they communicated. they did not tell them everything. but they knew the course of events, what was going on. this white house did not know. this president and rudy giuliani apparently have been talking. and this is some of the problem. this president, you know, scaramucci, they leave the other people out. they talk amongst themselves and leave other people out. when anthony scaramucci came, other people didn't know what was going on. >> april -- >> this bubble inside the bubble. >> april, the first word of outside counsel -- >> how can i help you? >> the first word of outside counsel is "outside." so now they have a structure

with mayor giuliani -- >> thank you for that elementary education. >> i'm explaining because clearly you don't get it. that's why you're the fifth or sixth reporter -- >> this is the president of the united states of america, there's nothing outside when you're dealing with the american people and this kind of level of investigation. >> this is really pretty remarkable. so sarah did a fantastic job -- >> remarkable, thank you. >> answering the real questions -- >> she did. >> coming at her on policy questions -- >> she did. >> whether iran, north korea. i'm glad you agree with me, she did. after five or six times of folks going to her she said, i wasn't part of the legal team, this wouldn't have been a conversation i would have been part of. then april, you came and followed up with basically the exact same question, trying to pin her down, say were you blind-sided? she is not part of the legal team. she is part of -- >> i'm doing my job. do you have a problem with me doing my job? >> by asking the exact same question that five or six -- >> there is a problem with me asking a question? >> if she goes and gives you a pretty -- >> she was blind-sided. the facts are she was blind-sided. for her to make it a personal

attack -- >> the reality is she's been willing to weigh in on this before, she calls plenty of women liars, she weighs in on it again and again, she says she doesn't know about the payment. if she's going to say she's -- she should have said nothing before but that is not what happened, john. >> rudy giuliani, i haven't talked yet, jason -- >> the arbitration -- >> can i say something while i'm here? she's weighed in on this before, she's obviously been wrong. rudy giuliani made a liar out of her and the president and michael cohen last night. she looked shaken. she has lost the room. i don't agree with jason that she's done a good job. she kept coming back to that formulation. i gave you the best information i had. like if i ran a deli and i said, i sold you the best pastrami i had, erin, sorry you got sick because it's a little rancid, she can't defend what she's saying, she's gone out and willingly peddled something, then going back to, i don't have all the information so don't ask me. >> you did have some empathy for her today? >> that was not the sarah

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will turn on him. they're going after his daughter? >> what about his son-in-law? >> i guess jared is a fine man, you know that. but men are, you know, disposable. but a fine woman like ivanka? come on. >> i can't. sara murray is "outfront." look, it's incredible. let's just be clear. ivanka trump, to refer to her as a daughter, i know she does that herself sometimes, but frankly, let's admit it, demeaning. she's a businessperson, she's run his projects, the fbi interested in that. how much interest has the special counsel shown in jared and ivanka? >> well, i'm sure that if you're jared kushner you're taking that seriously. you might be sweating a little bit. although maybe rudy giuliani meant it in jest. what we know is even though ivanka trump hasn't really attracted much interest from the special counsel, the same cannot be said of jared. he did go in last year and meet with investigators, the special counsel's team. we also know they had interest as well in some of his efforts

to secure financing for some of his family business. so we know that they had been asking questions about him and some of his dealings with foreign investors as well as other foreigners. ivanka has not come under the same kind of scrutiny, though, at least when it comes to the special counsel. >> so i'm curious, sarah. i remember a few months ago having lunch with michael cohen. he was saying, well, you know, no one's called me, bob mueller hasn't called me, so i must have nothing to worry about. is that what i should be thinking? i remember that conversation because obviously silence was not a good sign in that case. what are the theories behind what ivanka has not yet been approached by bob mueller? >> i can tell you more people are wondering, not necessarily ivanka, but if they should be more worried if they haven't gotten a call at this point from the special counsel after seeing what happened to michael cohen. i think ivanka's in a bit of a different situation. the interaction she was sort of involved in or nearby for that the special counsel has been interested in, we know there were a number of other aides involved so it's boss that i believe robert mueller was able

to get the information he needed elsewhere, it's possible he discovered through other witnesses or through document production that she didn't have firsthand knowledge of the things he was interested in. it's also still possible her time could come. >> all right, thank you very much, sarah. david gergen, former presidential adviser, and glenn donat, former federal prosecutor who represented pit clinton in his impeachment hearings, and represented a client before the special counsel in connection with manafort and gates. what do you make of giuliani's comments? it's stunning, i know he's joking and june y'allny can make inappropriate jokes about the gender, okay? let's just be honest, so maybe that's all this was. 0 are or is it something else? >> i think it's something else plus. listen, rudy giuliani is a very smart guy. within the first few days of taking this job, he's disclosed that the president was lying to us, white house has been lying to us all this time about stormy daniels. and now he has this gratuitous

in jest perhaps, in jest probably, but certainly gratuitous line that jared is very disposable. it tells me two things. one is that rudy giuliani feels very secure in his new job. thinks he has a complete backing of the president. and secondly, i don't think he would have taken a swipe at jared were he not hearing things like that from trump himself. either in phone calls or in personal meetings. >> glen, what do you make of this? glen, kushner was obviously in that trump tower meeting. with the russian lawyer. there are many questions being asked about his business dealings and efforts to raise money. does he need to be worried here? >> i think he does need to be worried. going back to david's comment for a minute, it's flabbergasting that a former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york would make loose comments like that. it was quite a doozy that the -- the interviews. to talk about witnesses, particularly after the special counsel made clear they're looking into signals that president trump and others had

given to witnesses to talk about who and who shouldn't be investigated is shocking. yes, i think jared has a lot to be worried about, from his conflict of interest issues with foreign governments, trying to secure financing, to misstatements on the sf-86, his background form, to being obviously at the meeting with the russian agent, and perhaps attempts to characterize that. so for sure he would be a potential target. >> also projects she's involved with, vancouver under fbi scrutiny, when you look at baku, azerbaijan, suitcases of cash and money handovers. who knows if any of this is relevant, but she was front and center in those projects and others. david, she is the president's favorite. her siblings admit it. here's an interview they did during the campaign. >> who is his favorite? >> i'm going with ivanka. >> i'm going with ivanka. >> does her being the favorite make her off limits, david?

to anybody but the president? >> no, of course not. no. no, nobody's above the law, man or woman. and, you know, everybody knows that. you know, and the president shouldn't be hiding behind his daughter's skirts, either. >> glen, do you think ivanka will be called before the special counsel at some point or not? they want an interview with the president. they're looking at at all sorts of people. is it possible his favorite, someone so close to him, is truly not of interest? >> i don't think it's possible she's not of interest. i think as to why she hasn't been called yet, good question. if she's a target or somebody who's likely to become a target, it's quite possible the special counsel doesn't want to have to grant her what we call queen for a day immunity, proffer community, where they wouldn't be able to use her words against her. that can create all kinds of evidentiary problems if they decide they didn't want to prosecute her. given -- president trump is the one who brought her into the white house. and made her a witness. and she's got a lot of issues. she was at meetings where spin

was discussed. she may be involved in jared's omissions and decisions to include her, exclude certain things. it is inconceivable to me she is not on the special counsel's radar in a significant way. >> thank you both very much. next, rudy giuliani announcing to the world that north korea will release three americans today. is the president's attorney releasing classified information? by the way, where are they if they were released? it is now tomorrow in korea and this is not the first time the president's long-time friend giuliani has veered off-script. the controversial statements he's pushed in the past. your company is constantly evolving.

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tonight the white house not backing rudy giuliani's claim that kim jong-un has released three american prisoners. giuliani this morning saying the major event was going down today. >> we got kim jong-un impressed enough to be releasing three prisoners today. >> okay. when sarah sanders was asked where the three prisoners are, if this was happening, she not only could not confirm it, she also seemed to dismiss giuliani. >> we can't confirm the validity of any of the reports currently out about their release. but we certainly would see this as a sign of goodwill if north korea were to release the three

americans ahead of discussions between president trump and kim jong-un. >> in addition to being an attorney for the president, does mr. giuliani, mayor giuliani, have a wider remit to talk about things like foreign policy as he did? >> not that i'm aware of. >> "outfront," former cia director michael hayden, the author of "the assault on intelligence: american national security in the age of lies." general hayden, director hayden, you heard sarah sanders, "not that i'm aware of," her answer when asked directly if giuliani has the authority to speak about these american hostages or foreign policy in general. giuliani had no problem putting a major claim out about an extremely sensitive topic. he had no problem doing it. >> so to begin at the beginning, i think this is baked in that these three individuals are going to be released. i can't imagine any american president meeting with kim jong-un while three americans are still held hostage in north korea. and i suspect mike pompeo

brought that up specifically when he met with the north korean president. so we'll put that aside. i fully expected that to happen. but now you've got the mayor talking about it. number one, getting ahead of the policy process, getting ahead of the north koreans. and frankly delivering to the north koreans more leverage on this issue than they would otherwise have. the mayor has created expectations that the north could now use before they give us ultimately what we're going to insist on. >> right, because we have to get it, now they can demand more in exchange for it. to state the obvious, we don't get to see the three hostages today. so president trump, general, tweeted about those american prisoners before giuliani's appearance. "as everyone is aware, the past administration has long been asking for three hostages to be released from a north korean labor camp to no avail. stay tuned." that's part of the tweet.

i'll share the other part in a moment. just those two words, "stay tuned." as a former director of the cia, is it smart strategy for the president to be making this like a television tease? >> you know, i wouldn't. and erin, if you step back, let me try to make a more general point here. there's a reason you have these processes in place. there's a reason you coordinate things. there's a reason you take great care with your language. especially when you attach it to the person of the president. and now we've got this out here. people like me fear, what's the right word, the sloppiness? the chaos? in the west wing process that actually sets in motion things that we probably don't want to see. so yeah, i'm made uncomfortable when i see a tweet like that. >> all right, so let's look at that tweet again. in it is something that's fact actually incorrect. he says, the past administration has long been asking for three hostages to be released. of course, two of the three men who are there now were detaped

in 2017. and obviously donald trump was president of the united states at that time. what's he trying to do here by not being honest? >> look, he always tries to compare and contrast himself with his predecessor. he doesn't always use facts on which to base the distinction between the two. so as you correctly point out, two of the three were arrested in north korea while he was president. if you run the clock back, the last time we had prisoners released from north korea, it was because jim clapper, the former director of national intelligence, went to pyongyang in the obama administration to negotiate their release. you know, there's an issue here. and again, it's the underlying issue. north korea is a really difficult problem. it's a wicked problem today not because his predecessors were stupid or unpatriotic. i'm pretty certain it's going to be a wicked problem after this president leaves office too. i just wouldn't make these kinds of comparisons.

>> general hayden, obviously as we talk here about honesty and the role of specificity, honesty in tweets, goes right to the heart of your book, which is out now, "the assault on intelligence: american national security in an age of lies." by general hayden, director hayd hayden, thanks for being with us. next, rudy giuliani's history of pushing conspiracy theories. from claims of voter fraud to hillary clinton hiding a serious illness. >> i've seen her lifted onto airplanes, and i don't know what's wrong with her. is it stine or steen? jeanne moos on rod, the man with the name nobody can seem to get right.

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solidified rudy guiliani's place among the most fervent trump surrogates. >> who would trust hillary clinton to protect them is this i wouldn't. >> reporter: the former new york city mayor at the 2016 republican national convention blasting hillary and stoking fears about isis terrorism. >> operatives, terrorists, will come to western europe and kill us. >> reporter: one installment in a year's long series of bombastic, conspiratorial and downright false statements. a month later in the speech he spoke about terrorist attacks on 9-11 in the bush administration years, he said this. >> by the by a way, under those eight years before obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical islamic terrorist attack in the united states. >> a month after that fuelling the conpier is 8thacy theory hillary clinton was hiding a serious illness.

>> i have eight times online since january in which she's had massive coughing fits in which she couldn't complete her speech. i've seen her listed on to airplanes. i don't know what's wrong with her. >> reporter: clinton was a frequent target in the 2016 campaign. this is the most anti-police, anti-law enforcement convention i've ever seen in my whole life. hillary clinton didn't want uniform police officers on the convention floor. >> reporter: a claim the police department shot down. guiliani has never been known to shy from sensitive issues, like race. >> when you say black lives matter, that's inherently racist, white lives matter, asian's lives matter. it's racist. >> guiliani ramped up accusations of vote rigging. >> you want me to tell you the election in chicago will be fair? i would have to be a mroron to say that.

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great. rod rosenstein the guy in charge of the bob mueller investigation answers the burning question, is it stein or stein? >> reporter: the cost between a stein and a 29 i stein is rod rosen-whatever. >> remember mr. rosenstein. >> rod roesz rosen stein. >> reporter: no wonder someone finally popped the question. >> how do you pro mouns your last name in. >> there is no right answer to that question. >> no right answer?. >> he's alive. >> take it from this guy's creator. >> frankenstein. >> my father pronounces it stein. i actually have relatives that pronounce it stein. i'll answer to either one. >> reporter: will he answer to this guy. >> rod rosenstein.

>> reporter: please, i don't have much sympathy for all those steins and steins out there not with a last knight name into the moos. in german the second vowel takes precedent, the ei is pronounced stein. then this guy's name should with weiner. >> anthony weiner. >> he's an exception to the rule. sometimes neither choice is great. you want to be a weiner or a weiner, there was some whining about the special prosecutor. does anyone else read the name robert mueller and pronounce it like ferris bowler. ferris bowler. >> reporter: but this is mueller, robert mueller who sometimes gets the ferris bowler treatment. >> mr. mueller. >> mueller, did you talk with robert mueller about his investigation. >> bowler. >> did you consult with mr. mueller? >> reporter: sometimes it takes a stein to know one, dianne feinstein. >> mr. rosen stein. >> welcome. >> mr. rosenstein, thank you.

i remember. >> it's like feinstein. >> reporter: it's dreiating a monster. >> grofranken stein. >> reporter: jeanie moos, new york. >> and thank you so much for joining us. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. ac 1k3ik9 with anderson begins right now. >> good evening. quite a day. more than most. keeping them honest, at the end of it, we are left more days with fresh evidence the white house is being neither trul for transparent with a country nor it seems concerned about transparency or the truth. some of the dee stories we have been told by the president and his people have now shifted. some of what we have been told we now know is untrue. many of those lives reveal how little we know about the president of the united states and how much u how much was hidden from view when vote, elected him. last night you may remember the new attorney rudy guiliani and changed the official story on stormy daniels and the firing of fbi director