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we should probably book people the way we normally do. this isn't going to work. >> my name is w bell. as a comedian, i made a living finding humor in the parts of america i don't understand and i'm challenging myself to dig deeper. i'm on a mission to reach out and experience cultures i believe. >> let's get some things straight, there are things that are real and there are things that are imaginary, things that are real are observable, quantity fieble and predictable like gravity, climate change, that he man was better than joe and the national anthem doesn't mean you hate the troops and hot donuts taste better than cold. that's science. but things are imaginary like

borders. they are drawn on the earth by men and i do mean by men to divide up land and sometimes the borders don't make any sense. it's divided into a three-square race just between bell yum and the netherlands. what up? and even though act like it's been around since the dinosaurs it's only senltsed the 70s. even though it's added through history. many people act like it's an eternal problem process. i'm in the sure if you heard but president trump has an idea how to solve it. >> more than ever we need the wall. we are going to build the wall. >> we will build the wall. >> it will be built. don't even think about it. don't waste your breath.

>> oh, yes, the wall. why does he want that wall so bad again. >> when mexico sends its people. >> nope, nope, nope not going to listen to that on my show. and the ridiculous thing is that our relationship with mexico is actually pretty good. we haven't been at war with each other for moreno 150 years. if you want to get rid of undocumented americans then you're getting rid of people like this. >> there are tens ofnouses of dreamers in the huftd area making their mark in the aftermath of hurricane harvey. a paramedic who works six days straight rescues flood victims. >> don't we want more people like that? i'm going to find out what's going on at the border. i'm heading to ogalles, arizona and mexico. i'm finding out what the people on the u.s. side think about all this. >> what's your name sir. >> hermannis. >> tell me about arizona.

>> i got family both sides my mother born over there my father over there. >> in those days it was easier to go become. >> after then the crossing was difficult to business start dying. now empty. >> you see a lot of businesses are closed. >> oh, yeah. the kmoo he is terrible here. it's not a lot of stuff to do. >> so you think it should be easier to go back and forth. >> yeah, that will help. i live here and i got a restaurant over there. >> you have a restaurant over there. >> yeah. >> what what kind of food. >> mexican food. >> i thought maybe. >> marguerita abtech la is on me. >> leo as. >> leos on facebook. >> it's on facebook. >> check out the cafeteria. >> it's on facebook. >> on facebook. you can't miss it. >> you're you'll invited.

>> don't invite everybody. >> bring anderson cooper. >> now we got to bring anderson, see how that going. >> hermann is right. we're in downtown in the middle of the day but feels like the middle of the night. now i say something that i don't usually say. it's not all president trump's fault. because questionable border policies isn't just a trump thing. it's a u.s. president thing. >> teddy roosevelt mounted watchman to an official border patrol under calvin coolidge so the first mass deportation under the operation wetback. yup, called operation wetback. to clinton who passed nafta and also operation gate keep they're biltd walls and further militarized the border top to the w's establishment homeland security and the 650 mile steel wall. president after president keeps devoting our taxpayer dollars to tighten let u.s./mexico border. and again we haven't been at war since 1848. so presidential policy seems like a good place to start. and there is no one i trust more to talk about this than my

friend rodriguez. he is an art i have activist who i have respect for. her oppression creates artists for border change. i attended one of their events at the border. see, there. and where we're reuniting in busy by arizona. >> thank you for coming to arizona. >> it's a trip because it's been like six years. >> yes one of the things i remember seeing was an artistic depiction of at that point president obama and under him or over him and around him the words deporter in chief. >> um-hum. >> i was like, hey, but obama is the best, everything he does. some people on the left like to sort of always demonize the bad policies from the right. >> oh, hell, no. no. i mean obama had taken office in 2008. and he really helped build the deportation apparatus that is what trump is using now. he implemented programs such as secure communities and said okay local police need to share data wnl i.c.e. a and so he really grew the entire system and as a result you saw deportations at the highest they been for any president. talking at rights over 1,000 a day. about 2 million people.

>> wow! >> yeah. >> why is it people quote unquote anti-immigration buy why don't they see these as families and people who need help. >> i think words and language create unconscious bias. symbols, imagery, because in the 90s i remember watching tv and seeing the commercials that stay invasion. >> they keep coming. 2 million illegal immigrants in california. >> you would see round guys running and symbol of the border has been such a powerful symbol really in creating a lasting anti-immigrant waive. >> now let's talk about the wall. >> yeah. >> like as an artist how you see

it what your thoughts are when you hear them talking about the bigger powerful wall. >> as a metaphor as a story it's compelling. i mean, the president is a straight up performance artist pp. like he is a really powerful story teller. he is speaking to people's fear. >> yeah. >> the story is very compelling. >> he is like an artist. >> yes he paints. >> reality doesn't matter just paining the canvas. >> it's fiction and imagined. for artists the time is now we need the metaphors for the future. artist we do that we create new symbols. it's the power of culture. artist haves a big roll to play there. that's our superpower. >> yes. >> and and you get the bay area hippy liberal leftist. >> bay area, baby. >> that's right. >> announcer: united shades of america. e above it ♪

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this morning i'm headed to the mexico side. and if you need an example of how mexico views americans coming to their country, here it is. yup, i'm just walking in. harder to get on the subway. >> where are you from. >> i'm from tijuana spanish ranch.

>> let's try spanish. >> so you're from southerna mexico. >> zblees where do you live now. >> here? better than i thought. >> you're get going. >> i'm get going. >> what are you doing today? >> we should go back to english. i heard you work. that's you will i got. >> oh. so it's -- it's true that american citizens can come to mexico and buy pharmaceutical drugs wutt a prescription? >> what about cialis. >> i'm just asking for a friend. >> okay. >> for a guy i know, yeah. is safe in this town. >> it's a safe place, yes. >> do you think this wall will

make it more or less safe? make a difference. >> less safe because more ricken. the more restriction we have on people the mor rebellious. >> the more rebellion. what is that saying do you know what it's saying? >> oh it's a supermarket. >> i thought it was some sort of like -- the revolution is coming. time to rise up, brothers and sisters. we're going to take down that wall. this is about melons and cucumbers. if you could say something to president trump right now what would you say? you can look right that and talk to president trump. >> mr. trump with all due respect we are not thieves. we are not delinquents.

we are people who work and know how to work because we want to help our country. and we're not asking for anything. >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you very much. bye. >> i'll see you later for some cialis. >> this part much new mexico feels totally different. the energy is completesly different.ly different. this is vibrant and fun we could use some of this on the american side. too bad this wall is in the way. just a reminder there is already a wall which somehow many people seem to not know. here a segment i like to call get to know your border wall. this $3 million manifestation of fear stoked by congress.

it is constructed by steel and barriers fit for the beaches of normandy. at over of '0650 miles it runs from california to texas with the most continuous section along the border. the parts that don't have wall are pretty much impossible to build a wall on because of hazardous terrain also you can't put a wall on a river. just science. but for our current president, this isn't enough. and kwhiel the future of the new wall changes every day construction of prototypes took place in october of 2017 in san diego. to take a look at this issue, both structurally and ethically. i'm on the american side to talk with engineer dr. karwan. >> let's talk about the nation round where there is a lot of talk about the trump wall it's not connected to any sort of current reality. >> right, yeah. there were two proposals put out eight prototypes were chosen. the teams were given 30 days to build a 30-foot long and

ostensibly 30-foot high wall. >> you way you describe it it makes sense. he hosted one reality show. this is back door pitch for another reality show. >> six teams, 30 days. to build the wall. >> welcome to america'got ta"a l talent: but it's waste going on building this wall. so let's talk about this -- is that -- the noise of the laud speaker. >> yeah it's funny as we sit here talking about this -- this border and this wall, like i can -- we can hear the sounds of life there. in any other situation it's like we'd walk over and see what happens. the man is selling ice cream. let's check it out the. >> you question the nature of the nation state it's disbelieve is that what i'm doing? i just want some ice cream. >> so now let's talk about the other piece of this. >> yes.

>> every president has a moment should i do this or is this the right thing. >>? no matter what field you are is this the right thing or hurt people. >> that's a complicated question. >> great. >> we that's what we do on this show. >> well, so every professional society has a code of ethics. like the first canon is about engineers holding paramount the safety health and welfare of the public. but it's really hard to define what those words mean. what -- you know, what public are we talking about? whose health are we talking about? what does safety actually mean? engineers i feel and firms need to be equipped at least contextually answer those kinds of questions. i mean, from an ethical and moral standpoint i don't think something like this should be done. for now, in may be politically necessary or something-like that. but say it tak three ob four,

five six years to build something like this and the what if the situation changes? then what with? like this is there for a long time. >> they will help to define who we are as a country. >> this isn't a tea cup this isn't something that can be gotten rid of. a whole other part of in is there are parts of the border where the infrastructure to build it doesn't exist. you need to make the roads to go there. how do you set up construction workers there? there are all the other infrastructural questions to build it. >> the other thing we're talking about the engineers really talking about the engineers on this side. there is a bunch of people over there who maybe have engineers degrees no matter what you put up they're going to be like everybody gets together on work on this. >> 30-footed wall. 31-foot ladder, right? >> yeah.

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border patrol? >> you can start from absolute zero. >> meet the agents, a couple of nice guys. but of course border patrol isn't going to send me the jerks. >> when people are going over the wall are most of the people trying to smuggle drugs just trying to get here. >> that's the thing. you don't know there is not a magic device i can point it at sob he wants to come over and work here. he wants to come over and provide for his family. he wants to come over to commit crimes. >> injury that's the biggest thing most people miss we're not anted i immigration we want people coming through the front door. we're all products of immigration ourselves. >> i would imagine there is maybe some friends or family or people in your community who won be happy with the fact that you have become border agents. >> i 250u8 arrested an

individual she asked me who you can you do what you do when pure a mexican? first and foremost i am and american. second of all you hear about the people dieing in the desert they die because i didn't catch them. think about it. in a sense every arrest i make is a rescue. right here as we go up you see rust, right at the same time you can see footprints and hand prints all across the fence here this area here is worn a different are color the hand hiels, the dirt, changes the color of the tube from the amount of use that people try and get over it. >> we know they can cross it. this is just what we utilize. >> yeah. >> to give our agents an additional amount of time. >> there is not necessarily a wall that could be built where you'd be be like that's all we need? >> no. no. >> i wish it was that easy. >> people like want a magic silver bullet. and there is none. >> come on up. >> all right. all right come out so now we talk about a more rural remote area. from here they get away from us it's taking hours to days. you can feel the heat on you. you can imagine what they're told. they're being told it's a short

walk. but in reality the trip is three to five days. >> that's the trip once you get on this side. >> that's once you get on this side. >> temperatures here with reach well over 100 degrees. combine that with mountain pass at over 3,800 feet. add a liberal amount of snakes scorn scorpions, coyotes and you've got an obstacle course that's deadly as any given step. >> here we are, kamau, this is the ends of the infrastructure. it doesn't span the border, at least not yet. but that's what the border used to look like there. >> that's where the. >> the sticks and bashed wire fence. >> wow. >> you know what you're walking on, that's the trail. you can see it's already started growing back. >> oh this here. >> this used to be a trail where immigrants were walking through. >> wow. >> not that long ago because somebody ate candy here recently. >> look at that. you just smelled to find out how fresh that candy is. people at home are seeing this and saying this is why we need a bigger wall.

this is -- i'm quoting. >> i understand. air quotes. >> but even this is not a hard thing to get over then you got to go through this. >> exactly. that's the dangerous part. but see over there in the distance what's that? that's our tower? even though he thinks he is not seen we're watching him. matter of fact, they probably saw you wave. >> where is my passport? i'm with you. it's all right. it's all right. >> how here it's low tobago high-tech with a digital wall made of of 8,000 cameras. 11,000 underground sensors. 107 aircrafts including drones, a blimp and other repurposed military gear used in afghanistan and iraq. >> so then what's a taller wall going to do exactly? >> we're glad that you decided to talk to us so people can understand what kind of service we are doing for them. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you.

>> got to be honest, i'm always hesitant in these situations. these guys believe they're helping. i had fun. but these officers over here are also border patrol and a couple months after we were there this video came out showing proceed patrol destroying water supplies trying to help people not. >> while the agency released a statement they they condone the actions. we know every there are agents like this and like this. which are there more of? it's hard to know. but there is no question that the water was there to save lives. if anybody knows what's happening to people out there when they don't have enough water it's bruce anderson, a medical examiner for pima county, arizona.

>> tell me where we are. >> we are in the receiving room and we receive deceased. everything from a dead body to a single bone which could be found in the desert. bull but all of the deceased people come in the back door. >> to be clear this is not just for people at the border anybody in the county. >> everybody, the vast majority come in here with a name. there is no question about the identification. with the migrants foreign nationals who die outside in harsh conditions, that's not true. if you are mexican citizen, central american citizens we have had 2,800 such deaths over the last 18 years. we identified about 1,800. that leaves us about a thousand currently unidentified. >> i hear you using words like migrant and foreign national. you seem to be purposeful with those words. those are not the words we on tv hear. >> most of them were migrating to get through arizona to any of the other states in this country for a job, a few are smugglers. the vast majority seem to be from what we learn from the identified people to be migrants who were going to do the blue collar jobs. >> yeah we go in here now.

>> this is the cooler where we keep all the remains before autopsy. >> so the first thing i notice is the smell. is that the smell -- that's the smell of the people. >> it's decomposition odor, yeah. there must be 50 or 70 bodies here all unidentified. they will be released and either buried or cremated as john doe or jane doe. >> and the families will never know the end. >> the vast majority of these folks shouldn't be dead. they're in the prime of life, 20 to 30, in good shape. wouldn't be dead except they crossed a dangerous desert. >> at what i would define as a stupid point in american history. for the unidentified the journey back to the families begin was dr. robin riengy for the center for human rights. her organization works to

reconnect family was the loved ones using the few belongings left when the remains were discovered. >> it's kind of the typical case. there is an id card here. that's a strong clue. but a lot of times people will carry a false id card or the chaos of the crossing they'll mix up id cards. >> just because there is an id it doesn't mean it's this person. >> exactly. they're clues. they can help tell a story, help the family to heal. help the family to connect to something when they're given skeletal remains and said this s is your son. i remember a woman had a spanish english dictionary and she had a sheet where she was practicing english. saying my name is. >> preparing for a new life. >> you could feel that sense of hope. >> yes, yes what do you think when you hear people talk about the wall? >> we have a wall already. it's an err responsible, inhumane policy. if you look at the data from

1990 through 1999, this averaoe saw an average of 19 fatalities believed to be migrants. from the year 2000 through the present, the average jumps up to 175. per year. that's like a medium size plane crash every year in southern arizona. these are special individual irreplaceable human lives. for example we just notified the daughter of a woman who had been missing since 2001. her daughter said, it's my birthday today. this is the best birthday for me because i get to reclaim my mom's story and to know how to ended and to have her mom's body to be able to mourn. >> wow. >> we believe that our duty is for healing and for justice and also a messenger, hopefully to other americans to be ready to

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the rise of security. in 1992 there were over 3500 agents along the southwest border. in 2017, there were over 16,000. and they are still hiring. >> and so guess where they put their wall? right behind my property. >> you hear president trump talking about we need a bigger wall, like a -foot high wa, what do you think? >> i'm not in favor of it and i don't likeit. do you feel safer? that's the real question, right? >> yeah. >> we're not afraid. >> let that sink in. these are white people who live on the boarder who don't want the wall. >> over the years, we'll get some crossers. if they approach my house, it's only because they need help. >> we've had illegal aliens tell us when the coyote drops them o off, they think oklahoma is two miles that way. they have no idea where they are. >> i had six young men one time that came with a little piece of paper and it said cleveland,

ohio and the coyote told them if they walk that direction for two days they will be in cleveland. >> oh my god. >> you know, this is -- >> they are just people, lost people looking for something better. >> there is what people in washington d.c. are aparafraid people always in front of the cnn cameras. >> look at this. look who put you in front of the cnn cameras. >> here we go. here is a helicopter. yeah. >> here, wow, that's really close. sometimes shooting a tv show just works out because here we are having a conversation about too much security and what do you know? we're interrupted by too much security sponsored by your wasted tax dollars. >> they are totally circling us. >> he's checking you out. >> i've been called a bad hombre. >> let's be clear, of course there is crime at the border. there is crime everywhere in america. that's kind of one of our things but crime on the boarder can be

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you know this is el chappo. >> i saw these newspaper articles it was called the tunnel house. i had rented the tunnel house and so you didn't know. >> i didn't know. >> there is strange things in the house. >> did you ever think you'll knock on a wall and a door will open and drugs will fall out or something? >> yes. >> have you ever found anything? >> no. >> you're a stronger person than i am. or a crazier person than i am to live in eloque chappo's tunnel house. ♪ better than anyone ♪ anyone i've ever met ♪ i'm stuck on your heart,

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out a place that reveals the human cost of america's immigration policy and i'm meeting with a leader, father sean carol. tell me where i'm at right now. >> this is a place we provide two meals a day, mostly to depoor tdepo deportees. >> is this the first welcome back to mexico? >> this is a critical work here on the boarder. >> are there people here that have been in the united states for years? >> yes, we're seeing an increasing number of people living in the united states for a long time being deported in comparison as last year. >> i imagine some people thought their life was set up there and suddenly they are deported and find themselves in this room. >> sometimes almost overnight. >> since trump took office, no agency in america has had a greater impact on migrants' lives than immigration and customs enforcement, a.k. a.k.a. i.c.e. with arrests up in

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i.c.e. picks you up, suddenly you're back in mexico. i would imagine at some point you are stuck with what do i do next? >> we have people who grew up in the united states so for some of them, they are in a foreign country. >> what do you feel doing the work here? >> i don't think the foreign ill gra ingrags policy represents us. >> the american thing to do would give people access to family, opportunity and community. >> that's something we are promoting. >> my wife will be happy i ran into a priest. maybe i can be a catholic. after talking with father sean, i wanted to get involved. i wanted to hear the stories of the people i helped serve. the crowd is a mix of people who have been living in the u.s. for awhile. and others who were there for just a few days.

>> on tuesday. a week out here last night. >> this is cecilia, for people like her with no prior record and arrested at the border, she was sent to a u.s. federal court and given a choice, plead guilty for a petty misdemeanor and get deported immediately or risk sitting in jail for months awaiting a trial. what do you think she chose? was the trip like to the border? [speaking foreign language]. >> cecilia's plan was to cross the border, find work, save money and return to mexico and open a business. she had no plans to stay. did you try to figure out if there was a legal way to get to americ america? >> hearing about what cecilia

went through gives me the opportunity to point out there is no easy way for immigrants to enter or work in the u.s. on top of a passport a visa is required for heavy documentation, money and several weeks or months with no guarantee you get it. let's say you do that, get in and want to work. 66,000 immigrants from all countries are allowed to obtain seasonal work visas outside of farm labor each year. most importantly, access is limited to employers who take the steps to show americans can't or won't fill positions which means immigrants aren't taking american jobs. >> what is your plan now? [speaking foreign language]. >> in the u.s.? >> not sure. i don't think it's worth

it. it's not worth it. i'm going have to wait. >> gracias. thank you. >> cecilia's story was hard to hear, and i was super thankful to my producer vanessa sanchez who encouraged me to talk to her. as we were wrapping up, the two were clearly having a moment. later i pulled cecilia out from behind the counter to tell me what was going on. can you tell me what was going on? >> yeah. she came over to me and said that i reminded her of her sister, and her sister has her daughter in the states. she told me that her daughter gave her this bracelet when they were separated and told her that she would give it back to her when they were together. and she wanted me to visit to thank me for what i'm doing. and it just really touched me. because i am a first generation latina. my parents migrated to this

country in 1981 when they were 15 years old. only one time did they ever actually speak about the journey, and it was something out of a movie. and my parents walked, swam, ran, jumped, hid in the walls of a truck to get over here. so not until now do i like see it, and i just want to run home and give them a hug and say sorry. >> why say sorry? >> because i was so bad when i was a teenager. i was just so bad. and, you know, they did everything for me, you know, for me to have the potential to be where i'm at now. and i will have this forever, forever. >> and it's the least she can do after being such a bad kid you. were such a bad kid. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. evacuations are underway

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the border literally split their land in two, with parts of their people and property on different sides. for my final stop i'm meeting with the tribe's chairman, edward d. manuel and the vice-chairman verlonm. jose on the american side of their reservation. thank you for letting us come here today. it's beautiful out here. >> that's why we live here. >> makes sense. why not live where it's beautiful? i read that in your nation's language, there is not a word for wall. is that true? >> that's correct because the creator never gave us boundaries. we were nomadic. we moved around. we were never confined and so there is nowhere for a wall. >> yeah. >> we've never crossed a border, the border crossed us. >> talk about how long your people have been in this area of the world. >> we've been here since time immemorial. it's the place the creator has given us. the creator has not given us borders. >> time immemorial is a very, very long time. when time started, you were here. >> yes, yes.

>> we're a federally recognized tribe, tohono o'odham nation, and our enrollment has about 34,000 with approximately 2,000 of them living in what is now mexico. we traverse this what we call invisible border, the national boundary, daily, you know, for domestic, religious, and ceremonial purposes. >> what are your thoughts on suddenly someone says this is the border, if you're on this side, you're with these people and if you're on this side, you're with these people. >> yeah, when i first toured the border, i noticed there was a house on the u.s. side and the well was on the mexican side. >> so they got to go four miles to the north to get the water from the well and haul it back to their house. there is no plumbing. we have to go to the well and pump it into the barrels to take it back home. >> i mean, it's silly when you hear that. it just seems ridiculous. >> if they put up that wall, it's really going to make it difficult for us because now we

have to go around and drive two hours just to get to the port of entry. >> so instead of going straight through, you have to drive two hours to get around. >> the federal government is wanting to force this upon us to say they will put another slice through our heart again. so we welcome the trump administration to sit down at the table with us and let us talk. i will walk the 62 miles with them if he walks with me on that border. [ laughter ] >> i believe you would walk the 62 miles. i don't know if i believe he'll walk the 62 miles. maybe he'll roll next to you in a golf court. >> yeah, probably. >> thank you for your interest on coming here. >> absolutely. >> the tohono o'odham, and meeting with us. >> absolutely. again, this idea of borders and walls is ridiculous. we're too good for this. here is the first people of this land and they didn't even have a word for wall. but it's clear our current border policies do need to change. because too often there is a tragic human cost.

well, the people i talked to, many of whom live on the border, have some ideas. >> what i would do is make it so that the borders would be porous so that we could really get to experience and connect and really see what happens when communities can work together to build a future. >> do a background check, let them in here, give them the job they want, that would then free up border patrol to chase after the guys that are smuggling guns and drugs and money. >> when you focus on a group and provide them the resource, they will succeed. so why don't we start with some of those things if we really want to be the true melting pot and the american dream. that's the dream that i'm looking for. >> damn straight.

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