stephanie elam in hawaii for us, i know you'll stay in touch with us. thank you very much for that report. that's it for me. thank you very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. ♪ ♪ "outfront" next, rudy's word, the white house says giuliani adds value to the president's legal team, this as we're learning team trump has a date where they'll make a decision on a mueller interview. and the president is just hours from announcing whether he'll withdraw from the historic iran deal. and did michael cohen pay off other women besides stormy daniels for trump? let's go "outfront." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm erin burnett, "outfront" tonight, the true value of rudy. the president's new lawyer hit television screens again saying there could be more payments to

women besides stormy daniels and that it doesn't matter if the president lied to the american people about it. to this white house, those claims and others are simply added value. >> is the president pleased with the appearances of rudy giuliani over the last few days? >> i didn't speak with him specifically about his feelings about it, but certainly feels he's an added member -- added value member to his outside special counsel. >> value added. well, it is sure adding something to say publicly that the president may have paid off more women than stormy daniels, which of course was just part of giuliani's latest television revelations. >> did michael cohen make payments to other women for the president? >> i have no knowledge of that. but i would think if it was necessary, yes. >> giuliani continued to say trump may take the fifth if questioned by the special counsel bob mueller. >> are you confident the president will not take the fifth in this case?

>> how could i ever be confident of that? when i'm facing a situation with the president and all the other lawyers are, in which every lawyer in america thinks he'd be a fool to testify. >> okay, there's a unique problem, though, with this person, president donald trump taking the fifth, and that is that citizen donald trump was happy to give his opinion and say that people who take the fifth are guilty. >> the mob takes the fifth. if you're innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? >> when you have your staff taking the fifth amendment, taking the fifth so they're not prosecuted, i think it's disgraceful. >> disgraceful, the mob does it, if you're innocent why take the fifth? if you're innocent, why take the fifth? that's the question, the president couldn't phrase it any better. if he is innocent, why would he take the fifth? maybe because his new lawyer, rudy giuliani, has had a chance to listen to what some of trump has said under oath. take this deposition from june of 2016. in this question, the president

trump is being questioned about who signed a restaurant lease. he says it was his son, don junior. >> don did. he told me when they signed the lease. i don't know when that was, it was a while ago, but he told me, we have a signed lease for the restaurant. >> okay, so pretty clear. don junior signed the lease, he told me about it. except there was a problem with that answer. >> the reason i was puzzled by your answer earlier about your son telling you the lease had been signed, my understanding is that you signed this lease. and if you look at -- >> well, that's true. it is me, yeah. i believe i signed the lease, but he came in and said, we're signing the lease. so i'll change that. >> he said we're signing it? >> because i think i signed it. >> because she had the lease, right? you saw filming through it. so therefore hard evidence and then the president changed his story under oath. perhaps it's examples like that one that make giuliani think taking the fifth is worth it for

president trump. pamela brown is at the white house. what do people behind the scenes there where you are think about giuliani just suddenly popping up to television again and throwing things out there like taking the fifth and there could be more women? >> well, contrary to what you heard from press secretary sarah sanders that he adds value to the team, some white house officials have been balking at the continued media blitz that dwrul rudy giuliani has been a part of. white house officials have complained they're left in the dark about when and where he might pop up. regardless, erin, the president continues to allow this. as one official said, he's doing this, you know, at the blessing, the pleasure of the president. this is something that the president wanted, he wanted an attack dog to go out there and have this kind of tough talk, which is what you're seeing, despite the barrage of negative headlines. sources i've spoken with in the white house, as well as those close to the legal team, have expressed some concern that not only is he stealing the

spotlight, but that he could potentially be hurting the president when he makes comments like what you heard, what he said to abc's george stephanopoulos that it's possible that michael cohen could have paid off other women just before the election. some are concerned that could be a bad thing. and one source i spoke with called rudy giuliani's public display on the media a little charade, saying that he'll either change his behavior or he'll be gone. a lot of people drawing the comparison with anthony scaramucci, as you'll recall, the former communications director who lasted about 11 days. so it's yet to be seen. clearly the president continues to. >>a l -- to allow rudy giuliani speak on his behalf. this as we're learning that rudy giuliani and others on the president's legal team are discussing when or if an interview will happen with ron ert mueller. and they're looking at the date of may 17th as the potential deadline to make that decision by. a source i spoke with said that is what they're shooting for.

of course things could change. new lawyers are being brought on board. emmet flood as we recently reported. but that's what they're aiming for. so while rudy giuliani is there in the public, speaking to the media, behind the scenes there are very serious discussions going on about whether the president will testify. >> thank you very much, pamela. and obviously significant there if they are shooting for a may 17th date as pamela indicated they're trying to. all these questions about whether they'll face a subpoena or take the fifth, obviously they have to make some hard decisions and fast. "outfront" now renato mariotti, former federal prosecutor, harry sandic, southern district of neerk and john avalon, editor in chief of "the daily beast," also chief speech writer for then new york city mayor rudy giuliani. you might have written different answers to some of these questions. but the president has made it clear what he thinks about people taking the fifth. now giuliani is saying trump himself may take the fifth and we're hearing they want to make a decision, if they can, by may

17th. >> nothing like an artificial deadline to focus the mind. i'm with candidate trump on this one. why take the fifth if you're innocent? it's a constitutionally protected right, but rudy's job is right now to attack as attack dog and a lightning rod. and he's absorbing a lot of heat that might otherwise be directed at president trump. as along as they're in cahoots, that could work out well. there's always the question that i learned from him in city hall, does this cause more problems than it solves? that's a good question in life. i'm not sure this is on the positive side of that. >> although i do like the lightning rod analogy. it's shooting down and all the flame is coming down around rudy. r renato, i want to play what giuliani said, he was asked if he was confident the president wouldn't plead the fifth. it was a simple question and i love giuliani's facial expression. here it is again. >> how could i ever be confident of that? when i'm facing a situation with

the president and all the other lawyers are, in which every lawyer in america thinks he'd be a fool to testify. >> does every lawyer in america think that, renato? would he be a fool to testify regardless of what he has said before? >> well, i think he would be a fool to testify, erin. one reason, though, that above and beyond what you mentioned earlier, certainly the fact that he often doesn't tell the truth is part of it, but another part, he has significant criminal exposure here. the president, sure looks like he tried to obstruct yesterday when he fired james comey. at the very least, he talks as if he's somebody who obstructed justice, had a desire to, if you have a client who is under criminal investigation and there's significant evidence that could point to their guilt, the best thing you can do is have them not say anything. and i think that's what a hundred lawyers out of a hundred would tell you. >> harry, here's the thing. you had in the deposition we just heard, the president said

his son signed the lease. we picked a very specific example. but his son signed a lease and the lawyer had the lease and that wasn't what happened. so he said, oh, okay, i did. that may sound like a small thing, but i brought up the point because everybody that i've spoken to has mueller has the same thing, they anyhknew t answers before they asked the questions and had it all lined up. >> yeah. >> so if i were giuliani or the president, i would be terrified they'll have six other things like this, or 60, whatever it might be. >> and there's serious risk as renato just said for exactly that reason. if you're a prosecutor, you have all your documents in line. they've been looking at e-mails and other financial documents for a year. i think from a political perspective, it may make more sense for him to first try the executive privilege route, even if he knows that ultimately that may not succeed before the courts. that will take months to resolve. >> then you force a subpoena. >> force a subpoena. >> and then you take the fifth? >> i would force the subpoena

and then say, i don't have to respond to the subpoena. i don't have to show up and take the fifth or not take the fifth, i don't have to do anything because i'm the president. see whether that argument works. at a minimum, it delays the process, until if he is compelled, he would have to decide whether to take the fifth, but it pushes it out quite a bit. >> we have precedent here. you don't need to go back to thomas jefferson. you got bill clinton. and they keep mentioning him for a lot of different reason, some more for the court of public opinion than the court of law. but if they get presented with a subpoena, the president is not above a subpoena. >> so here's my view. i think that at the end of the day the president will lose that court battle, but he won't lose it tomorrow. it will take months, maybe a year to delay the action. >> maybe a year? >> push it past the mid terms, hope the republicans can keep congress, keep this issue at bay. once you take the fifth, it's generally thought for politicians -- >> frowned upon. >> -- it's not a good idea to take the fifth for the reasons that candidate trump said earlier.

>> he was very clear. the mob, disgraceful, you're a liar basically. there's also, renato, later in the deposition the president was asked whether his campaign was helping his hotel business. he was asked about this. and eventually he answered the question. he said yes. but he didn't just say yes. he decided to add in a whole lot more information like this. >> you know, people have said there's never been anything like this. o'reilly said the other night something to the effect that this is one of the great phenomenas he's ever seen in his lifetime. so it's been pretty amazing. you have 17 people and i end up at the top. i think people like that. so i think it will be great for the building in question. >> he got around answering it, renato. you know, just the whole point is, there was a lot of other stuff in there. and you can't manage this guy. you could say, answer the question yes or no. but he had to add in this whole

thing about basically the polls and o'reilly. >> that's right. and i gotta say, erin, you know, when i prepare witnesses, particularly if they're under investigation, you're just trying to minimize the damage. it's not like you're ever going to come out ahead in the interview. it's not like you're going to win the prosecutor over. you're just trying to say as little as possible, get through the interview without revealing much. >> trying to survive. >> and donald trump is totally undisciplined. and frankly, so is rudy giuliani. they're a match made in hencave an undisciplined lawyer, an undisciplined client. it's a bad combination. >> you mean hell, not heaven. but the president tweeted today about obstruction. the russia witch-hunt is rapidly losing credibility. house intelligence committee found no collusion, coordination or anything else. so now the probe says, okay, what else is there, how about obstruction for a made-up phony crime.

there is no o, it's called fighting back. the point i have here is obstruction. if that's all they come up with, and there's no crime except for obstruction, but there's no underlying crime whether it's money laundering or collusion or anything like that, should they go ahead with it? >> i think it depends on the level of proof they have, how convinced they are that there was obstruction, and what the impact the obstruction had on the investigation. we remember pat fitzgerald who renato worked with on the libby case, talked about throwing dirt in the umpire's eyes. if the obstruction was significant to a point where it prevents the prosecutors and the public from finding out what actually happened, i think there is a logic to an obstruction prosecution. if it's something less substantial, it's unlikely to be charged, i think. >> we have been through this, clearly they're trying to play this in the court of public opinion. and that videotape of the deposition that you showed, donald trump, then candidate, couldn't resist talking about what he heard o'reilly talking

about himself. is he going to fly off the lip? of course he is. but at the end of the day it's more than how to protect a client. this is about the presidency of the united states which is about a trust with the american people. what law is supposed to be about, the search for the truth applies here a lot more than franking maneuvers on television. this is a higher standard than simply getting your guy off. >> do you feel that you know the rudy giuliani who is out there now making all those comments? >> i -- you know, people maybe get more so as they get older. i have respect and affection for rudy giuliani, we disagree politically at this point in his career. i don't think this is his finest hour, but he's trying to do what he thinks is right, and so i am, in a different arena. next, team trump reportedly hiring foreign operatives to dig up dirt on obama officials with a specific end goal. what is it? and did the president's lawyer pay off other women? rudy giuliani with a stunning admission. and trump taking a backseat,

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>> always safe to say that we don't know what trump is going to do until he does it. but what we do know, over the last several weeks, we've seen a parade of leaders and diplomats coming to washington, including today with uk foreign secretary boris johnson. they've been pulling out all the stops to keep the u.s. in the deal but they walk away with a deepening sense of pessimism. they've been working with the u.s. on this, their goal was to keep the existing iran deal and then just build up around it to address the u.s.'s and their concerns about things like iran's ballistic missile program or its influence in the region. now they seem convinced that trump is dead set on scuttling the deal. so if he does announce this tomorrow, there's still some questions around it. for example, is he going to let all the sanctions immediately go back on iran, or is he only going to put some sanctions back on iran? might he leave some dined of time frame that could allow for negotiation? maybe keeping some parts of the original deal.

we just don't know. the other major wild card of course is how iran reacts to this. are they going to say, okay, the u.s. is out, deal over, let's go back to enriching uranium. or might they see it in their best interest financially to stay in a deal with just the europeans or go back to the negotiating table. as the president himself might say, erin, we'll see. >> obviously playing rule ooule here. i want to go to john garamendi who met with former secretary of state john kerry last week to talk strategy on defending the iran deal which kerry orchestrated on the u.s. side. you met with john kerry. the "boston globe" is reporting kerry also met with the iranian foreign minister to try to save the deal. and trump found out about this. he tweeted in part, quote, the united states does not need john kerry's possibly illegal shadow diplomacy on the very badly "new york times"ed -- badly

negotiated iran deal. does the president have a point? >> no, he doesn't at all. we would expect people that understand this deal, and certainly secretary kerry is among those who understand it better than anybody else, to be engaged. he understands the importance of this. he understands why this is important to the entire world and certainly to the middle east. if the president makes the mistake and i say it is a very serious mistake, to pull the united states out of this deal, then we're headed for nothing good out of that. you raised a whole series of questions just a few moments ago. the answers to every one of those questions is negative. it is not going to be good. and so how do we go forward? kerry, involve the people who wrote it, talk to everybody about why it's working and why it's important. >> you say that john kerry understands the deal better than anyone else. and of course he was one of the authors of it, right? does president trump understand

the deal? >> no, he doesn't. if he understood the deal, he wouldn't be even threatening to pull out of it. the fact of the matter is, iran is abiding by the deal, and the very intrusive reviews by the united nations and others about what iran is continuing or not doing, is actually taking place on the ground in any facility in iran where there could be any nefarious activity. there isn't. and so the facts of the matter are there's absolutely no reason to pull out of the deal and there are hundreds of reasons to stay in the deal. basically, iran will not have a nuclear weapon for a long time if this deal continues. >> congressman, i just wonder if there's hypocrisy here. a few of your fellow democrats slammed michael flynn for calling russia's ambassador while president obama was still in office to talk about things. here it is. >> clearly what happened was flynn, who at that point was a

private citizen, he, in effect, what appears, was trying to undermine the existing policy of the united states. >> i think the bottom line here is, i understand that he talked, negotiated with the russian government as a private citizen before he had an official position which is in violation of the logan act. >> we only have one president at a time and american leaders shouldn't be engaged in their own foreign policy. >> isn't kerry doing the same thing now, congressman? >> no, he is not. he is not in line to become the national security adviser, or secretary of state. he's a person that has enormous knowledge of what is going on, having served on the foreign -- senate foreign relations committee, secretary of state, and he is acting as a private citizen, not negotiating, but quite probably sharing information, trying to understand what the iranians' position is, and that's

important. it's extremely important. keep in mind that flynn was about to become a key player in the new administration at the time that the old administration was phasing out, and as was said in those interviews, in very serious discussions about the russian situation, which incidentally -- >> so you're saying he was about to having the power so his doing something as a private citizen mattered more, i suppose. trump is making kerry the face of the iran deal. and i want to play for you president trump attacking kerry at the nra and the press secretary sarah sanders today. >> john kerry, not the best negotiator we've ever seen. he never walked away from the table except to be in that bicycle race where he fell and broke his leg. that's it. >> and i learned from that. at 73 years old, you never go into a bicycle race, okay? you just don't do that.

i'm not 73. he was. >> i don't think that he would take advice from somebody who created what the president sees as one of the worst deals ever made. >> you heard the president there cracking jokes at john kerry. is kerry doing this just to get under trump's skin? >> no, he's not. he's doing this really to protect all of us from iran getting a nuclear weapon. understand that if the united states pulls out of this agreement, iran is in a position to restart its nuclear weapons program. the agreement that was put in place actually is working. iran has no nuclear weapons program now and they cannot, as long as they're in the agreement, they cannot build a nuclear weapon. that is absolutely critical to peace really throughout the world and certainly in the middle east. you can only imagine what the options would be if iran was now building a nuclear weapon. you would have saudi arabia, which they've already promised

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just stormy daniels? the white house won't rule it out. sarah sanders saying she's not aware of more payments. >> are there other women out there who received money from the president to stay quiet? >> i'm not aware of any other activity, but i would refer you to rudy giuliani to respond to any of those questions. or anybody else on the president's outside counsel. >> but you've been in his circle for a long time now. you were on the campaign. is there anything that came across your desk? >> again,aoim n i'm not aware o anything like that, but i prefer you to outside counsel. >> this coming after trump's new lawyer said it's plausible michael cohen did arrange other payments to women for trump. >> michael cohen, as far as i know, is a long standing agreement that michael cohen takes care of situations like this. then gets paid for them sometimes. >> did michael cohen make payments to other women for the president? >> i have no knowledge of that. but i would think if it was necessary, yes. >> did he need to add that part?

well, he did. joan walsh, co-founder and co-chair for women for trump amy cramer. joan, let me start with you. the white house, they say they're not aware, they're not saying no. no one's going to be definitive about anything at this point. rudy giuliani says, by his own decision to add it in there, but sure, if necessary. does it matter? >> we know he's a philander, he's on his third marriage, he has a pattern of cheating. we've made up our minds about him good or bad. it matters if there are payments that are close to the election that are not trying to protect melania or his family, this line that's been put out there, but are really about hiding something because he's running for president. he's not known for hiding, you know, his bad behavior. he kind of flaunts it, you know. he took that picture with stormy daniels. there's pictures of him with other women. so the idea that he's going

around paying people off unnecessarily, that seems strange to me. we've never heard of that. but if he did it close to the election because he's running, that's a problem. >> amy, would that make you care? >> i mean, i think it's really irrelevant, erin. we elected him knowing that he had had these indiscretions in his past. it doesn't matter if there's one woman or a hundred women. i think it's really irrelevant and i think that his base, his supporters agree. we're focused on jobs, the economy, national security. look at what's happening with north korea and iran -- >> we didn't know that he paid somebody off, amy. we didn't know that he paid a woman off or that right before the election and we don't know where the funds came from. there are possible campaign finance violations, there are possible other violations -- >> and, joan, i would say, if there's an fec campaign violation, that will be dealt with, but i really don't care what donald trump does with his

own money. what concerns me more is paying iran, who is our enemy $435 billion of taxpayer money, in a congressional slush fund. our taxpayer dollars being used to cover up indiscretions. whatever happened with donald trump and his own money, that's his business. >> so, amy, here's the thing. when it comes to what the american public think now, 71% of americans believe michael cohen paid off stormy daniels to protect the trump campaign. that's not the lawyers' opinion, that's the american public's opinion. vast majority. 43% of republicans, not a majority, but up 14 points since february. 56% of white evangelicals believe it was for this purpose, up 10% since february. and when he said on air force one he didn't know about the payment,ly d payment, he did know about it. so do these numbers show an

erosion of trump supporters? or are they saying, we think he's lying but we don't care? >> i really have a hard time believing that somebody would go in and cast a ballot based on stormy daniels. i think that's ridiculous. people go in and cast ballots based on jobs and the economy and what affects them personally, how they can take care of their family. but to go in and cast a ballot because of a porn star -- >> someone's morality or character or integrity. >> we didn't elect him to be our pastor, our husband, he elected him to be the president of the united states. and he's doing a damn good job of it. >> but you know the damaging number in that poll, he's down to 34% among women. only 1 out of 3 women right now thinks this president is doing a good job. that is it dangerous both for the republicans in the mid terms and dangerous for him in 2020 if he gets there. so i don't think you can say that this has no effect on people's voting or no effect on

the way people think about him. and the steady, you know, just the dirtiness of it all, and the fact that more and more keeps coming out. i don't think he can sustain this forever. and then there are the questions about lying, where the money came from, who paid whom. just rudy giuliani, does he work for robert mueller? the things that he said this weekend are so unbelievable. the idea that michael cohen just has money sitting around and he can pay off her and him and her, and that's why he's a fixer, that's what he does. he paints a picture of such incredible corruption it's kind of ridiculous. he's hurt the president more than stormy daniels. >> final word to you, amy. >> no, i just think at the end of the day while it's sensational and it gets clicks and ratings and all that, i think at the end of the day does it affect us personally? does it matter? no, i don't think it does. we knew that he was not perfect when we elected him. we elected him for a reason. and he's doing his job. it's about job performance.

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tonight president trump steps aside and melania takes center stage. the first lady speaking for about 11 minutes as trump sat in the audience. melania finally unveiling her formal platform to help children fight everything from online bullying to opioid abuse. >> it is our responsibility as adults to educate and remind them that when they are using their voices, whether verbally or online, they must choose their words wisely and speak with respect and compassion. >> kate bennett is "outfront." press secretary sarah sandersut can the briefing short this afternoon. the president and members of the cabinet attended. this was clearly a priority for the white house that everybody focus on melania today. >> that's very true. i' ivanka and jared were also there and kellyanne conway. this was melania's day. i think the east wing was hoping

it wasn't a busy day for the president, turned out not to be. but he tweeted a little bit this afternoon ahead of her planned speech. but this was the big day, the day that melania trump finally let the public know what exactly she intended to do under her vast umbrella of helping children. she narrowed it down to the opioid crisis and how it affects families, the second being the health and well children of kids. and the third, the social aspect, being kind online, and combatting cyber bullying. she made those remarks about being positive online, not using it for negative impact, with her husband sitting a few feet away in the front row, so clearly it's a message that she's doing in spite of the president's prolific tweeting and often name-calling online. >> thank you very much, kate. white house correspondent april ryan joins me now.

kate points out there's some painful reality in the first lady taking on cyber bullying and being kind online and the first lady is well aware of that. >> reporter: yes, she's well aware of her husband's cyber bullying. he's considered by some, many i would say, in different sectors, one ever the biggest bullies. he'll call you out in a moment's notice. and she stood in front of him and basically said she wants to show young people -- [ inaudible ] -- there are a lot of realities that she's dealing with. this is a first lady who is not cultur culturally american, but she's learning the ways. and these are not just american issues. these are international issues. cyber bullying is an international issue. social media is international. and also the opioid addiction issue, it's not just here, it's

abroad as well. we'll see if she takes that message abroad as she rolls this out for the next four years. >> and april, you know the president was there today, several members of his cabinet. look, it was a show of force. and yes, there was a detailed report in "the washington post" today that we both saw, the president and first lady leading separate lives, sleeping in separate bedrooms. at mar-a-lago, the president golfs or dines with media parliaments on the patio while melania is often nowhere to be seen. the president and first lady often do not eat together in the white house either. they spend very little to no time together, said one long-time friend of the president. you've been covering the white house for decades. how unusual is this? >> well, let's look be real about this. the reality of it. this is a first lady who is hearing multiple scandals about her husband as she's trying to do her work. and you know, she is a woman.

we saw that during the clinton years, when hillary clinton and bill clinton went off to martha's vineyard and there was a dog and chelsea clinton in the middle. this is real. yes, she's the first lady of the united states, but she's dealing with real issues. now this rumor has been circulating for a long time and "the washington post" reported it. many of us have heard it. we have not had it substantiated. we have asked people, you need to take pictures, and no one has come up with pictures. but what's at issue? other presidents have had texture with their first ladies. i think about michelle obama, how barack obama and michelle obama, the first lady and former president of the united states, they would talk about having dinner with their children at night and then he would go back to work. and they would talk about the thorns and roses of the day. we would hear things like that, and then with george w. bush, we would hear how he would bring then first lady laura bush coffee in bed. we would hear about those things, and how sometimes he

would help her out with her wooden puzzles that she would do. and they would go to bed, and i remember this vividly, how he would say, i don't care what event was going on at the white house. he would say, let's go to bed at 9:30. we don't hear about these things with this family and she's not as involved in the west wing as maybe people would like to see, and they would like to see more of that. it doesn't help that she skats his fingers away, and she did that french kiss on the side today, not the kiss on the lips. >> thank you very much, april ryan. maybe she doesn't want to get up at 5:30 a.m. when he's on his tweet storms. "outfront" next, some of trump's supporters turning on the president ahead of a crucial primary tomorrow that could affect who wins capitol hill. >> i don't like his outbursts and his inappropriateness. >> and the president's head-scratching habit on twitter. what's with the random capitalization? and non-24 cany days and nights out of sync,

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the general election in your state no way. and it is not just west virginia hosting a crucial primary tomorrow, john king is out in indiana. >> reporter: excuse the humor. one of the cows is big mac. the pig, heaven bacon. >> we are involved in an agriculture business and so yeah, tariffs is a big deal. >> reporter: it is much more than policy. >> i don't like his outbursts and inappropriateness with the public and scruples. >> reporter: what hasn't changed is that washington needs big change. the hendersons now support another washington outsider.

businessman mike braun. >> time to get new blood. >> reporter: primary campaign of gimmicks and insults. >> conservatives and outsider. >> reporter: president trump won indiana by 19 points. neutral in tuesday's senate primary, but he is the litmus test called trump vulgar in the primaries. >> another asset. rock kiddas was secretary of state and has won statewide. >> that is most important.

chinthalla is still solid with the president. >> reporter: stories diner a landmark. now undecided because the final debate was mostly about loyalty to trump. >> they never mentioned my job or anything. >> reporter: her former job. candidate trump forced carrier a big jump to mexico. >> do you feel burned? >> yeah, for a number of reasons. he is not superman, but he could have stopped this. >> reporter: shipped all of its jobs to mexico. >> i voted for president obama

twice. i will say this about president trump, at least he brought it to the table. >> reporter: bryan is skipping tuesday's primary, his hope for change fading. >> if you ask me do you support president trump, i would say yes, but i can't say tomorrow. >> reporter: to see all the proof you need even in mike pence's indiana, this is very much trump's republican party. one, just like in the obama years, loyalty to the president doesn't necessarily mean much in the midterm years and we found obvious cracks in the 2016 coalition. >> thank you very much. and next, trump loves the capital, not the building, the letters. jeanne moos explains.

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tonight how president trump is literally rewriting the rules, here is jeanne moos. >> the king of capitalizing whether it is wrong or right. somebody should ban the president from traveling to upper case. in a single tweet, the president capitalized. witch hunt, no collusion, probe, and fighting back. >> grammatically it doesn't make sense. >> it is a hoax. >> they don't even have to be nouns to get the capital treatment. phony witch hunt. we hunted for a pattern in president trump's grammar. >> there is no chaos, only great energy. >> i've got to say, man, if this president thing doesn't work out, trump would be dope in writing fortune cookies.

>> dear mr. stable genius, stop capitalizing nouns. >> these don't seem like mere mistakes. sure, comedians make fun of his rules. but business writing instructor and other experts think there is a method. >> enable them to be buzz words. >> since twitter has no bold or italic feature, capital letters are the next best thing to shouting in all caps. capitals are precious to be the president. >> fake news media has never been so wrong. >> angling for the upper hand,

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