to happen is in some states where republicans will have to run against democrats. >> the billion news cycles until the elections. great to see you guys. thank you so much. and thank you all so much for joining me at this hour. it's been a busy day, as always. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. thank you, kate, and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thanks for sharing your day with us. president trump welcomes home three americans and thanks kim jong-un for releasing them. now the hard stuff, hoping this goodwill continues at the big summit next month when north korea's nukes are on the table. plus, send michael cohen money and he'll send his insights on his boss, the president. it's swampy for sure. but is it illegal? and the president still hasn't told robert mueller whether he'll sit down for an interview, but the vice

president says it's now time for the special counsel to call it a day. >> my thinking is it's been about a year since this investigation began. our administration has provided over a million documents, we fully cooperated in it, and in the interest of the country, i think it's time to wrap it up. and i would very respectfully encourage the special counsel and his team to bring their work to completion. >> back to that in a moment. but we begin today with a celebration here in washington and a date ask tind time now fo summit with assisted-altering states. the three americans held by kim jong-un are home now. the president skmand his wife ma plane carrying the three prisoners, kim hak-song, tony kim and kim dong-chul. now comes the hard part. president trump said singapore will be the stage for the summit with kim jong-un.

those leaders are set to meet on june 12. the president will try to convince kim to forfeit his nuclear ambitions. the president earlier today said he and kim are starting off on a new footing. he says he sees kim as more of a partner and not a realist looking for a way out of isolation. >> this is a big thing that he released these folks early. this is very important to me. i really think he wants to do something and bring their country into the new world. >> here to share their insights, julie heirschfeld and the rest. you're thinking north korea never should have taken them prisoner, therefore, is it a risk? the president is just trying to say keep this goodwill going.

>> the reason i shake my head is, one, we seem to forget that kim jong-un is a dictator, a guy who starves his people. number two, the president said, he released these prisoners early. don't buy that, this is the deals you make before going into a summit. although this is great news for the families and i'm not trying to diminish that. it doesn't mean the summit will be successful. there is a lot of hard work ahead and i think there are concerns about the president's impulsiveness when he sits down at that table. >> so the president's language does come into play here, he called kim jong-un honorable. now, he means in the context of the recent conversations, but when the president of the united states calls a dictator who starves his own people, who launches missiles over other countries, here's what the president tweeted this morning.

>> we very much appreciate that he allowed them to go before the meeting. it was sort of understood that we would be able to get these three terrific people during the meeting and bring them home after the meeting, and he was nice in letting them go before the meeting. frankly, we didn't think this was going to happen. >> and again, there are a lot of people criticizing the president. kim jong-un was really excellent, was really excellent to these people, though he imprisoned those people. he imprisoned those people. to give the president a little benefit of the doubt, he's talking in the context of excellent to let them go and the president is thinking, i'm going to be sitting across a table with this guy in singapore in a month. >> you see it in either black or white terms. either you're a short, fat little rocket man, which is what he called him before, or you're

an excellent man who i can sit down with in a meeting. there is little nuance in the way he talks. clearly the play is he thinks he sort of cracked the code of kim jong-un. we heard the vice president say a little of that on tv this morning. he thinks president trump understands kim and he has gotten to this place because of his shrewdness. i think that remains to be seen, but that's the perspective they're coming from at the white house. the president thinks he's figured this guy out. if you show respect, if you talk positively about him, he's more likely to give you what you want. but we've seen this play before and that hasn't panned out in the past. the big challenge now is to put it in some kind of result. >> and the flip side, people on capitol hill whisper, the diplomats whisper. here's a goodwill gesture, quote, unquote, three guys who were taken hostage and imprisoned by a dictator. oh, you can have your people

back now. how is that a gift if you take that perspective? now we get our meeting. kim gets what he wants, legitimacy on the world stage by being in the same room as the president of the united states. >> and you heard the president talk about this idea of a relationship being the central part of this whole exercise that we're going through with north korea. the president thinks it's about personal relationships, about -- as julie said, saying nice things about kim and vice versa, but it's possible that kim is playing a different game altogether and is giving trump the kind of win that he wants on the public stage bringing these prisoners back, something that the north koreans would smartly know would help president trump domestically at a moment when he's embattled on a lot of other fronts. and, you know, president trump often treats other leaders like he wants to be treated himself. but as with north korea and as the case is with russia, often they have deeper concerns, deeper, more strategic concerns that the president doesn't

always take into consideration at the very beginning, and that's why the seasoned diplomats are looking at this situation and they're saying, hold on, we're not quite there yet, and he shouldn't be as, you know, optimistic about this as the president seems to be, because there's still a lot of road to go. and frankly, the hardest part is the denuclearization. we're not even close to getting there yet. >> not even close, but we are close. june 12 in singapore, the president of the united states, for the first time in history will sit across the table from the north korea leader. we'll have this the next few weeks, who is playing whom, who is on first and who is leading in the pre-summit propaganda and positioning war. what matters most are the two leaders sitting across the table, and what is the white house doing going into that? there are some people even in the trump administration who says that trump wants a win. does he know how to define a real win? >> there is a lot of concern, particularly given the president's rhetoric about kim

going into this that he tells people what they want to hear in these meetings, and though he had some bad phone calls with world leaders, doesn't really have bad meetings. the meeting with merkel was testy, but he does tend to tell people what they want to hear. i think you have to say from a timing perspective, the release of the prisoners, the announcement that mike pompeo was on his way to north korea worked very well for the trump administration. there was so much pushback in 48 hours before the iran deal that there was no way the president was going to be able to work with north korea. if he jumped things, he wouldn't win negotiations. i think it was important for the white house to show they were able to make progress on north korea even as they cast aside the jocpa. >> we will hear from these prisoners who are blessedly back home. it's a good thing for mike

pompeo, it's a good thing for president trump. we'll hear their stories. this is kenneth bay who was once a north korea prisoner explaining what life is like when kim jong-un throws you in prison. >> we have to work from 8:00 in the morning to 6:00 in the evening six days a week, carrying rock, digging the ground. the nutrition i was eating was not enough. sometimes it was just a bowl of rice and a little soup and a couple vegetables. within three months i lost more than 40 pounds, and then i was sent to the hospital for malnutrition. >> two immediate takeaways listening to that powerful account of what it's like, and kenneth bay was there for two years. number one, we should all be thankful that these three americans are now home so they're not being subjected to that. number two, to your point, it does tell you what kim jong-un does to people he captures, let

alone to starving his own people, to keep the regime in place. it tells you about the bad actor you're dealing with. it doesn't mean you shouldn't go to the summit, of course you want to try, but it tells you who is across the table. >> absolutely. this is a brutal dictator and this regime is focused on two things and has been for decades. one, its own survival and some sort of the normalization with the united states. they believe it gives them respect on the world stage and would lead to reduction in economic sanctions, which is hurting their economy. he's going in prepared. he knows what he wants to get out of it. i spoke to korean experts in the last couple weeks and they said one thing you can count on with pyongyang is they will be ready and they will have a game plan. in some ways we're playing to kim jong-un's songbook here. you can't minimize the effect and impact he has had on creating it. >> this is also something we've seen from the president in a lot of other arenas. he believes that sometimes you have to put aside those concerns, whether it's about human rights or about kim

jong-un's brutality toward his own people and to prisoners and to others in order to have a conversation, to get in the room, to develop a relationship, to pull north korea back from the brink. this will be the ultimate test of that. but this is as far as we can get with president trump in terms of a doctrine toward these dictator types on the world stage. he has always been willing to say, what i want to do is get in the room with you, get to the table with you. i'm willing to put aside, to look the other way with some of this other stuff. and i think that's what we're seeing here. >> and that's fine. but this is a tougher nut to crack, and you've got to go in with a set of reasonable expectations. i feel he's overpromising. >> i don't disagree with you, but i do think it's somewhat ironic that the trump administration is getting a host of criticism from democrats scl liberals who typically favor sitting down with adversarieadv trying to understand them. and from the obama

administration officials who sat down with iran, wanted to understand where they're coming from. north korea already has a nuclear weapon, but they did reach an agreement they were very proud of and now they're very critical at trump for jurngijurng i -- junking that. >> he's treating this differently than other meetings. he's denouncing iran, he's denouncing cuba, which is where you put aside the past and say, i'm ready to talk about the here and now. >> he sees a chance here to make history and have a big personal stake in it of which we should applaud the effort and we'll keep an eye on the specifics. we're going to stop this conversation for breaking news in to cnn. the pentagon is releasing its final report on the attack in niger that killed four americans. the pentagon said a series of institutional and individual scenarios killed these four. two junior officers falsified a document to get approval for a mission to kill or capture an

isis leader, which means the mission was never approved by the proper chain of command. admiral, before i let you go, what does that tell you? >> very damaging report, and i hope it leads to some significant changes in the way the mission in niger is conducted, as well as just overall in terms of training equipped missions and how we're putting forces in the field and the type of command and control we're giving them. there has been some criticism of general mattis on assigning missions down the chain. accountability is important here. >> and we have great thoughts for those families who lost their children. one new very prominent opponent. can john mccain stop the confirmation of gina haspel?

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>> let's start with cnn's phil mattingly live on capitol hill. he believes she will be confirmed with a bipartisan vote, but you know the math up there and how narrow it is in the senate. does john mccain's statement shift indict nthe dynamic at al? >> i don't think it shifts indict nthe dynamic but it's certainly frozen. nobody speaks with more authority on this, somebody who was in prison from 1957, 1963. based on the torture he was subjected to while based in hanoi. you talk about jeff flake, the americ alabama senator who spoke to voters last week. what john mccain has to say

carries weight, is important. you mentioned senator cornyn. they are still confident the votes will be there. now secretary of state mike pompeo, you have a lot of democrats who want to come on board. the expectation is joe donnelly and maybe doug jones. senator mark warner. they may all come aboard eventually. but everyone kind of stops and reads the statement when senator mccain speaks on this issue. he was there when this policy went into place in the early 2000s. he remains a strong opponent. republicans are keeping a close eye on him to see what impact, if any, that statement will have on the votes. >> we appreciate your help there, phil mattingly. keep in touch as it changes. senator mccain is a powerful voice, and this is going to

sound a little bit crass, but he's not here. will that make a difference in terms of personally talking to your colleagues? i say that in the context of the obamacare vote when we saw him down on the floor. he was talking to people. it was very close at the end. he gave that infamous thumbs down. he has moral stature on this question no doubt because of his personal experience. lindsey graham a yes, susan collins a yes. those are people closely in line with john mccain. >> maybe, but i have a hard time believing that lindsey graham is not spoken with john mccain about his decision. the two are very close. you can't imagine he wouldn't make that decision in a vacuum. i'm sure they talked it over. gina haspel had a lot of goodwill on the hill. the fact that diane feinstein said she's not going to vote for her is quite notable. she's being pushed to the left, she had a race in california. but the lines are falling a little differently than we've seen in previous nominations for

these top security positions. >> i think it's perhaps less than john mccain is not physically here and more that john mccain's sort of era of republican politics and politics in general seems to be kind of waning. i think his colleagues respect him and respect what he has to say but understand that they are in a different political environment. they are going to be running again. and i also think that even for some democrats, the ones who are leaning toward voting for gina haspel, in some ways there is a sense of relief that she is coming from the agency itself. in so many instances, this administration has nominated people to lead agencies who want to destroy the agency they're leading. while she has some problems in her background, she is ultimately probably someone who has the support of the building and is better than some of the other people the trump administration has put forward for other agencies, like epa and

cfpb. this is a different kind of nomination. she's a careerist. >> to the careerist point, even a lot of democrats privately believe with you that, a, you can start at the bottom and earn your way to the top. b, democrats don't have a lot of political trust. they say here's an institutionalist. roy blunt trying to help haspel out by saying this. we shouldn't be talking about what happened 17 years ago, we should be talking about what's going to happen 17 weeks or 17 days from now. this is one chapter. this is not running a red light 17 years ago, this is a world stopping defining debate about world values. >> what i think you're not hearing congress talk about for an obvious reason is that was brought about with the world

leaders talking about that interrogation technique. i don't remember them making hay about it. they made hay about it when those techniques became public and it became a public issue. i think what's happened is, much as i dislike the term, had a national conversation and a national reckoning a few years removed from 9/11 and decided that as a country, we weren't going to do this anymore. but this is a conversation that congressional leaders were involved with and didn't do much about at the time. >> and a key architect of the policies at the time and key supporter at the time, the former vice president dick cheney on fox news, he has not changed his mind. >> if it was my call, i would not discontinue those programs. i would have them active and ready to go. i would go back and study them and learn. the agency is in a difficult position. congress has acted, they have changed the law and the agency

has to and will operate by that statute. you know, there are a lot of monday morning quarterbacks in the terrorism business. >> if i could just interject. going back to what john mccain objected to when he talked about her statement, whether -- an answer that he said was disqualifying. i think that goes to your point, that if this should happen again and there is a conversation behind the scenes about torture that she personally would come forward and say, i'm not doing this again. it's her legalese answer. you heard a lot of democrats yesterday say that answer was particularly disturbing in order to stop what are now seen as broad-headed policies from going forward. >> the reason we're having this conversation is because what you just heard dick cheney say is very much what donald trump articulated. articulated on the campaign trail and months since, that he believes torture does work. while i do think carmela harris

and her questioning leallowed ga haspel to say i can do this in good conscience, but it led her to say, we are not going back to this, i would not support going back to this. >> she said the law doesn't allow it. i don't believe we have the training to do it, so we will not do it. she didn't say it was immoral. >> i don't think -- she essentially said, i was a career person following what the law was at the time, and i don't think she thinks what she did wasn't moral. next for us, the president's personal lawyer and fixer apparently quite the pitch man. welcome to the swamp. that's next.

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for play at the state department. they found a lot of bad stuff. pay for fla. it's illegal. >> this is big stuff. pay for play. it's illegal. >> access and favors were sold for cash. it's called pay for play. >> tiny little throwback there to the campaign trail when you saw candidate donald trump repeatedly accusing hillary clinton and the clinton foundation of participating in what he said was illegal or at least corrupt pay for play schemes. now president trump playing down very similar accusations. cnn has new details about how michael cohen cashed in aggressively -- that's an understatement -- pitching his play to the president. someone said cohen's pitch went something like this. i don't know who is representing you, but you should fire them all. i'm the guy you should hire.

i'm closest to the president. i'm his personal lawyer. rudy giuliani says he does not believe president trump was aware of any of this. the company involved said this was fully aboveboard, nothing illegal. but that doesn't stop democrats from calling for a new investigation. we also know the special counsel is looking into this. it was swampy beyond belief what michael cohen was doing. when you look at the totals involved, some of it is mind-numbing. however, i've been in this town for 30 years. this is not new. after campaigns, the people who don't go into the white house sell their access, sell their assets, sell their contacts. they should be on steroids when you look at the amount of money. >> this takes me back to january of 2017 when there were countless people in this town, lobbyists, policy people, diplomats, who were desperate to guess some sort of insight, any sort of insight into who donald

trump was, does anybody know him, does anyone know anyone who knows him and we're really keen to try to figure out who this president was and how you would be able to work with him or figure out what he was going to do or who you needed access to to some sort of sway over him, potentially. this doesn't surprise me this was going on. what is surprising is the amounts people were willing, apparently, to offer to a person who had absolutely no experience and no real claim to be able to say, okay, this is what president trump is going to do and here's when he's going to do it. >> that's the question, right? >> right. >> and that is it. this could be just corporations wasting a lot of money on michael cohen, or the question that special counsel and others want to look into, because of the amounts involved this just can't be real. i want to read this from cnnpolitics.com. post-election, corporate america was on the hunt for anyone who could help them make inroads to

the trump administration. cohen said this. everyone had all of these hillary clinton consultants lined up and real ized when trup won, they had nobody. >> the stormy daniels deal happened before the election. this was also the same llc that paid off brody in california. where did that money come from? was he using campaign money for hush money? we don't know the answer to that question. it's like another swampy level. >> they tried to hide t. >> this was not michael cohen, llc trying to hide this money. it's an american company but linked to a russian oligarch. why are the russians giving

michael cohen $500,000. korea aerospace entries $150,000, novartis, $1.2 million. it's the numbers. lobbying firms in town get $10,000 a month, $15,000 a month, maybe $20,000 a month. this is not chump change. >> i want to add that the white house holds close to them who the president talks to and when. the white house is pretty much open to someone who wants to pay $200,000 and lobby him in that way. it's simple that corporate america and a lot of other people, whether it's foreign governments and others, have figured out it's pretty easy to

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supreme court vacancy this summer, chairman grassley? >> i hope it's noi or within two or three weeks because we've got to get this done before the election. so my message toy one of the nine supreme court justices, if you're thinking about quitting this year, do it yesterday. >> the former white house intern was supposed to attend an event on social change for town n country magazine but said she was pulled at the last minute. town n country apologized for the tweet, saying it regretted how the situation was handling. tennis great jon mcenroe said he once turned down a job offer from donald trump to play

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conference. house speaker paul ryan saying a move to try to force a vote on the dreamer issue, the so-called daca situation, not the way to get things done. >> we never want to turn the floor over to the minority. and what i don't want to do is have a process that just ends up with a veto. we actually want to solve the daca problem. going down a path and having some kind of spectacle on the floor that just results in a veto doesn't solve the problem. we would like to solve this problem and that's why i think it's important to come up with a solution that the president can support. >> the speaker making note of the democratic minority. but it is republican congressman will heard from texas, republican scar belbello from florida and congressman jeff dunham who want to go around it. this petition has 1900

signatures. curbelo says he knows who is to blame. >> why has the house done nothing? >> because our leadership has regrettably spent a long time trying to win the votes within the house republican conference for a legislation that never had had the chance to achieve the 218 votes that are necessary here in the house. >> it's an interesting, fascinating fight because immigration has for years been quicksand for republicans internally. but you have a number of republicans here who think they're in trouble. these are not the conservatives' freedom caucus pushing these, these are republicans worried they could lose their seat in november because they have more diverse seats than most republicans. >> i think paul ryan would like nothing more than to add to his legacy than making a move on daca. i think the reason they haven't brought a bill to the floor is they haven't found a solution that the president would sign and that would pass the senate.

that really has been the sticking point all along here. >> the interesting thing about this process is that i think a lot of us have been saying for months that if a dream act bill could get to the house floor, it's very possible it would pass. paul ryan hasn't wanted to put one on the floor for the reason he stated. if the president is going to veto it, then he has all these members who have put themselves on the line, taking a hard vote. democrats have something they could vote on but it would be fatal for republicans. there are a few more republicans, if they joined this process, that hypothetical situation could play out. >> it seems to be the worst title to have right now is house republican. whether you're senator, governor or whatever, political titles are bad in the age of trump. >> which is what we saw this last election day with the exception, i think, of one. all the other house republicans

have been running for higher office, for a different office, lost. an outsider was chosen instead. i think most of these members who have signed off on this are all districts that hillary won in the last election. yeah, they have to try something on this point because i'm sure they're getting hammered back at home on this. you wonder if this is something the president will take up. he doesn't have all these moderate democrats who don't want to take a vote. mitch mcconnell will be like, yeah, let's do this thing. >> we're back to the question we've been asking for months and months and months, will the president get involved and lay out consistently what he will sign because the back and forth with the president is what he's afraid of. >> i think the answer unequivocally is no. he has walked the line on this, walked to the line of wanting a daca ahaka proovaca approval an

away. he said i will sign whatever you put in front of me, the president did. he hasn't quite figured it out yet, and i think that we're getting to the point now, and this is maybe paul ryan's underlying point, where it's too close to the election for them to take a risk so they're going to put it to the side. >> it's fireworks. the republican party dealing with immigration is fireworks so close to the election. rudy giuliani says don't believe what you're hearing about his job at the white house. it better be because his law firm just lost another one. i'm very proud of the fact

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firm final. they said it was in everybody's best interest. giuliani's firm was not happy with some of his comments, especially this one here about how he might have handled the hush money payment to stormy daniels. >> i'm going to read this to you. that money was paid by his lawyer like i would do, with law firm funds. that works, right? >> now you know that actually lawyers don't do that. i wondered when giuliani said that. who is he doing that for, and which law firm is going to authorize their lawyers to pay out hush money payments from the firm's money? and i think the other part of this is that cohen did it without telling trump, without telling his client, which is another thing that lawyers say is just totally ethically out of

bounds. >> in a well-established law firm, those things don't really land well. >> we've been posing questions for some time after he made those comments about, well, is this actually standard practice for the law firm of rudy giuliani? those questions are hard to answer, and when trump first said he didn't know anything about the payment, you have to ask michael cohen, the implication was that potentially he had made these payments without the president having known which is unethical and probably grounds for disbarment. so it raised all these legal questions that michael cohen is now obviously under investigation, but rudy giuliani is at this well-respected firm. >> they essentially called the president a liar saying he did know about the payment and he reimbursed michael cohen for the payment, and he's good, right? he's good? >> with trump, you know,

giuliani is good for now, but the problem with what he said about trump is that he has been going back and forth about what the truth is. even that from a legal perspective is unethical for a lawyer, but it also put the president in a much worse position. >> he is also involved in conversations and the "wall street journal" says they want to have this settled by next week whether the president is going to sit down with robert mueller. we still don't have a firm answer there. listen to the vice president here in an overnight interview saying it's time for bob mueller to pack it up. >> it's been about a year since this investigation began. our administration has provided over a million documents. we've fully cooperated in it. in the interests of the country, i think it's trim ime to wrap i and i would very respectfully encourage the special counsel and his team to bring their work to completion. >> it is an interesting moment of what i'll call the parallel

presidencies. this giant cloud still sits over the white house when you're about to sit down with the north korean dictator. >> i read that as pence talking to trump. all right, thanks everybody, for coming in. "inside politics" will be at this time tomorrow. wolf starts right now. have a great day. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. in new york, 6:00 p.m. in auger, 8:00 p.m. in jerusalem. wherever you're watching from around the world, thank you very much for joining us. we start with rockets aligning in the military. iran and israel traded fire in the golan heights. israel responded with iranian targets inside syria. one official said, and i'm quoting now, if it rains in israel, it will pour