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good evening. john berman here in for anderson. a late-day surge of developments. cnn has confirmed that a new cabinet secretary has threatened to quit after being berated by the president. we have a brand new cnn poll out
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about the mueller investigation. a huge spike in the number of republicans who say the president should not testify, but we begin in low places. a comment from a white house official about senator john mccain that is at a minimum insensitive, quite possibly flat-out odious. president trump himself has a long checkered history when it comes to the arizona republican who survived five years as a prisoner of war. the president once questioned whether he was a war hero, saying, quote, i like people who weren't captured. as we all know, tonight the senator is at home in arizona battling brain cancer. let's get the very latest from the white house. cnn's jeff zeleny. jeff, walk us through what happened here. >> reporter: well, john, it is clear that, you know, the president sets the tone at the top at this white house here. and one of his lower level staffers, her name is kelly sadler. she was on a phone call with republican spokespeople on capitol hill earlier today. they were talking about something senator mccain had just done. he sent out a statement earlier this week opposing the
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nomination of the cia director, gina haspel. he does not believe someone who has that history in the program of waterboarding and other torture should lead the cia. so, the white house was in sort of some defense mode there, so, in a conference call with republican press secretaries and others, this staffer said, "he's dying anyway." of course, a comment like that quickly spread across washington, given the respect that senator mccain has. so, then, it essential lly blewp from there. the white house apologized and said we respect his service, but, john, just a few moments ago, we heard from cindy mccain, senator mccain's wife, of course, who sent out this message on twitter. let's take a look. she's addressing it directly at the white house staffer there. she said, may i remind you, my husband has a family, seven children and five grandchildren. simple words there. sparse words. but a tough message, indeed. talking to a few friends and
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allies of senator mccain this evening, john, they remind me that he's still creating waves and still working hard, even though he's out in arizona because he announced his opposition to gina haspel that created a whole stir here. which which, of course, led to this. in a town of disgusting comments, i think this ranks pretty high up there, john. >> you said the white house responded. was that an apology? >> reporter: john, i wouldn't exactly say it was an apology. but let me read it to you, and people can make their own judgment here. we respect senator mccain's service to our nation and he and his family are in our prayers during this difficult time. but they did not walk it back or say, you know, she was misquoted. they said that she was not intending to be malicious, talking about someone's brain ka cancer, in this respect, sounds fairly malicious to me. >> that's not an apology. that statement was definitely not an apology. had not known the comment was made to republican press secretaries, which does explain how it got out so quickly. jeff zeleny, thanks for being with us. appreciate it. >> sure.
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amazingly enough, that insult from the white house staffer was not the only attack on the arizona senator today. during an appearance on fox business news, a former fox news military analyst say that senator mccain opposed the nomination of gina haspel to be cia director because torture worked on him. listen to this. >> the fact is, john mccain, it worked on john. that's why they call him song bird john. >> charming. joining me now with the details of this remark, cnn's brian stelter. brian, who is this guy who made that statement? >> yeah, he was once the number three commander of the air force. he served several tours of duty in vietnam and other southeastern asian countries. these days, he's known as a fox news paid military analyst, he was on the payroll until last year. today, he was on the air just as a guest. his political views deserve a little bit of scrutiny. he raised doubts on barack obama's birthplace, just like trump did.
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he endorsed trump in 2016. if you remember that event where trump came on stage and renounced birtherism and said he knew obama was american. he was there. maybe they both had a change of heart. birtherism is not the only conspiracy theory he has promoted. he also promoted this conspiracy theory about mccain, and that's all it is. it is a baseless lie that was first brought up in 2008 during the presidential campaign. back then, politifact called it a pants on fire lie, saying there's no evidence at all to support the claim that mccain helped the enemy in vietnam. on the contrary, as most of us know, he's an american hero. >> i encourage people to check out politifact and note that john mccain never gave anything of value to the north vietnamese. has fox commented about this? >> yeah sort of. anchor charles pane said he didn't hear the comment this morning, he didn't hear it said, buzz a producer was talking in his ear. whether you believe that or not, here is the rest of what payne said. >> i, in fact, have very high respect for senator mccain's lifetime of service and sacrifice to this nation. those reprehensible comments do
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not respect how i feel or how this network feels about senator mccain. >> saying the network does not support the comments. now, mccain's friends, we should be honest about this, they are measuring their time left with their friend in days and weeks, not months or years. hopefully they're all wrong and mccain will be with us years from now. he has a book coming out later this month, an hbo documentary coming out later this month. he views these as final messages to the public. i have some advice, he should set his dvr, watch the hbo documentary. he has a lot to learn about john mccain. >> i will note, that was an apology from the fox business anchor right there and he did note that the network did not stand behind the comet meants, either. brian, thank you. as we have noted, insults from president trump lobbed at senator mccain not new. to refresh your memory, this is a brief look back. >> he hit me -- war hero. >> he's a war hero. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured, okay? i hate to tell you.
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and except for one senator who came into a room at 3:00 in the morning and went like that, we would have had health care, too. we would have had health care, too. we got a bad vote the evening that we were going to terminate obamacare. we got a bad vote. you know about that, right? that was not a nice thing. we actually had it beaten except for one vote. you remember that beautiful night. it was -- it was defeated, but one vote changed. >> joining me now to discuss, paul begala and jim schultz. you know, paul, politics is politics, but it doesn't matter, he's dying anyway. when john mccain, as everyone knows, is in arizona right now at home battling brain cancer. where is the line between, you know, politics and human decency? >> well, there is no decency in a comment like that, obviously. it's one thing to argue over whether gina haspel should run the cia. reasonable people can differ. reasonable people, good people don't say things like that. now, why did this aide say it?
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she's just a dust speck in the american body politic, right? as zeleny points out, because the president sets the tone. once norms are shattered, it's very difficult to put them back together. you know? i worked for a president who gave the medal of freedom to his opponent from the campaign of 1996, bob dole. why? because bob dole deserved it. they didn't agree about politic, but dole is an american hero. we need to find a way to get back to it, but this president makes it very, very difficult. it is -- people should note, by the way, can i just quickly, what exactly senator mccain endured? he was shot down over north vietnam. both his legs and his right arm were broken -- i'm sorry, right leg and both his arms -- >> still can't lift his arm. >> he can't comb his own hair, to this day. when he landed, he was stabbed, he was beaten. later, his captors found out his father was the commander of the pacific fleet, a very powerful admiral, so they said, you're free to go.
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alone among our p.o.w.s, he could have left at any time he wanted, because the code of honor of p.o.w.ed is first in, first out. he was tortured for resisting. more than most. so, what he endured for our country, he endured unspeakable torture and is he an american hero. i don't agree with his politics, but that's not the point. to say something like that about a man who has given this much for his country is just beneath contempt. >> should not have been saying this, correct? >> absolutely not. john mccain is a war hero. he's a hero -- the sacrifice that he made, and those like him, have made, give us the freedoms that we enjoy. and we have to respect that. and beyond that, there is a certain decency associated with someone that's dying of cancer that may be dying of cancer, to their family, to their friends and the loved ones. you just have to be sensitive. certainly an insensitive, inappropriate comment that she's probably going to regret and i would hope that she does regret.
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that being said, you know, i think it's okay to criticize senator mccain for his views on health care, it's okay to criticize senator mccain for his views on gina haspel's candidacy to the cia. we can disagree on that. that's okay. that's what politics is all about. and it's okay to play hardball politics with that. it's just not okay to be insensitive and to make it personal. >> can't the white house say, i'm sorry? why hasn't the white house come out and said it? >> well, the white house said that the family is in their prayers. i disagree with the fact that this is something that rolls downhill from the president himself. this was someone that made an off the cuff comment in a meeting. this is not something that she was harkening back to 2015 and saying, okay, it's okay to say these kinds of things. >> i don't think president trump has ever apologized for those initial statements. >> no, he didn't. and, again, when -- in the political realm, to get into that personal issue who has suffered for our country, it's inappropriate. there's no question about that.
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i agree with paul in that. but i also think it's incredibly insensitive to say the president doesn't respect military service. he surrounds himself with military people in his staff and respects their opinions. >> he does not respect senator mccain's sacrifice. he lied to the country and said he wasn't a war hero. when, by the way, you know, corporal bone spur there in the white house, mr. trump, took steps to avoid service. john mccain took steps to serve. this is, i just disagree, this is emblematic of our times. this is emblematic of the era of trump. and the challenge for everybodies, decent people in both parties, is not to sink to his level. reciprocity is so deep in the human soul, but i admire that the mccain family is conducting themselves with such grace. >> new bit of reporting into cnn, a source close to the situation says kelly sadler called to meghan mccain to apologize for the crass remark. it's unclear what meghan mccain's response was, but we're told that sadler apologized to her. that's a start, jim.
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sadler apologizing to the family is a start. the next step would be apologizing in public. a next step, the white house saying that the comment was inappropriate and apologizing. i still don't get why they can't say, this was a completely inappropriate comment, we're sorry. she's paid by the taxpayers. >> as she should apologize to the family. it was an insensitive comment about somebody that's dying of cancer. and somebody who served our country well. and someone that, you know, if he does, in fact, die of cancer, will be sorely missed by many. so, there's no question, she should apologize. and the white house, i'm sure, will be critical of her remark. >> well, they can't apologize, because mr. trump won't apologize. that's the problem. if you fire this woman, which any decent white house would, if she publicly apologizes, which she must, it puts the president in the horn of the dilemma, because donald trump doesn't apologize for these lice and personal insults. he never apologized to ted cruz for somehow implying his father was connected to the kennedy
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assassination. he, in fact, was asked once -- he was asked, do you go to god with your sins and ask for forgiveness? he said, well, i don't -- i don't live a life that requires that. he could not name a single time even in the quiet of his own soul he felt like he did something wrong. that's the kind of man we have as our president. >> just very quickly, jim, you really don't think that the president has changed the level of discourse? whether or not it's successful is a different story, but has he changed the level of discourse? >> there has been vitreal in politics. the right goes further right, the left goes further left. all kinds of vitreal back and forth. i don't put that solely on the president. that was going on long before president trump came on to the scene. we were heading in that direction. >> do you think she should be fired? >> do i believe she should be fired? i believe she should be reprimanded for her insensitive comments. someone else can determine whether -- >> not fired, though? >> if you're the chief of staff, you have to make that determination. that's his job. >> would you complain if she was fired? would you go on twitter, jim, and say, this woman never should have been fired?
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>> no, of course not. that's a personnel decision that someone needs to make. >> the chief of staff has never apologized for lying about a congresswoman who he said completely false things about. he never apologized. this is the era of trump. his people never apologize because the president doesn't. >> let's not act like the democrats have the high road in all of this, either. >> human beings do. decent human beings do. these people are beneath that. >> there is a political discourse in this country on both sides of the aisle where the vitriol is just over the top. it's not just donald trump. >> that's a false equivalency, jim. that's not right. >> you sit here today and say that all the democrats are -- none of them conduct themselves in any inappropriate fashion as it comes to -- >> i did not say that. i said this president -- he is beneath any standards of our lifetime. you can never imagine ronald reagan saying this, you could never imagine barack obama or bill clinton or george bush. we have never seen a president so loathsome in conducting
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himself in the public discourse. now his staff is following suit. >> jim, would you see ronald reagan, george h.w. bush, george w. bush, bill clinton, barack obama make the comment that president trump made about john mccain as a p.o.w.? >> i can't speak for what they'd say in private. certainly no one's made that comment -- >> that was public. that was public. >> about john mccain publicly, you know, history is history. we know what that is. we know what they've said publicly. to determine what they may say or what they may think, you know, i'm not going -- >> talking about public comments, not the private comments in this case. jim, i appreciate you being here. paul, thanks for being here, as well. one more bit of reaction. senator lindsey graham, a close friend of john mccain, told dana bash of the white house aide's comment. ms. sadler, may i remind you john mccain has a lot of friends in the united states senate on both sides of the aisle. no one is laughing in the senate. that's from senator lindsey graham. coming up, vice president mike pence says it's time to
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wrap up the mueller investigation. not only not up to him or the president. there are continued signs that the investigation is not close to being over. homeland security secretary kirstjen nielson has reportedly drafted a resignation letter but not submitted it after the president blew up at her at a cabinet meeting. details from "the new york times" ahead. behr marquee presents: it's got potential. -i think it'll look really good without the stripes. whatever your home may hand you, behr through it, in one coat. behr marquee, #1 rated interior paint. find it exclusively at the home depot. not in this house.? 'cause that's no ordinary family. that's your family. which is why you didn't grab just any cheese. you picked up new kraft expertly paired cheddar and swiss for eggs. beat that! kraft. family greatly. hey, i'm curious about your social security alerts. oh! we'll alert you if we find your social security number on any one of thousands of risky sites, so you'll be in the know. ewww! being in the know is very good. don't shake! ahhh! sign up online for free. discover social security alerts.
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tonight, we're keeping them honest with the vice president of the united states much like a bartender at closing time saying, okay, folks, it's time to wrap it up here. only, this is directed at the special counsel appointed to investigate russian interference in the united states presidential election. and instead of a bar at 2:00 in the morning, the setting was a united states military base, where he and the president were welcoming back americans who were freed by north korea. >> it's been about a year since this investigation began. our administration has provided a million documents. we fully cooperated in it, and in the interest of the country, i you this it's time to wrap it up. and i would very respectfully encourage the special counsel and his team to bring their work to completion. >> so, keeping them honest, the vice president was right about at least one thing, it has, indeed, been about a year since the russia investigation began. a week from today, in fact, will be exactly one year since robert mueller was appointed special
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counsel. one year. the vice president seems to suggest that's a big deal, that 12 months has some magical investigatory properties. that after one year, it all turns into a pumpkin or something. the thing is, it hasn't in the past. the benghazi investigation, for instance, took two and a half years. whitewater, eight years and two months until a final report was released. now we all know where this pressure, or as pence put it, respectful encourage to wrap things up, is coming from. there is a chorus from republican lawmakers led, of course, by one voice. at this point, if anyone is unclear about how the president feels about the investigation, this one's for you. >> it's a total witch hunt. i've been saying it for a long time. i have this witch hunt. it's a witch hunt. that's all it is. they have phony witch hunts. the witch hunt continues. the entire thing has been a witch hunt. this is a pure and simple witch hunt. >> so, the president is obviously operating the principle that if you repeat
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something enough times, there are people who will believe it, based solely on that repetition. and guess what? it's working. according to brand-new cnn polling, at least among one segment of the population, it is working. and we'll have more on that ahead. the president and his supporters can say as much as they want that this should end, that there is no there there, but never forget the fundamental truth about jedi mind tricks, these are the droids you're looking for. keeping them honest, when it comes to the russia investigation, there's already been a significant amount of there there. in just under a year, the mueller investigation has yielded 75 criminal charges, 22 defendants, five guilty pleas. we don't know where or when it will end, but just two days ago, we learned that the mueller team questioned a russian oligarch about hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments that his company's u.s. affiliates made to president trump's personal attorney, michael cohen, after the election. a russian oligarch close to vladimir putin and also went to the trump inauguration. this is an investigation about russian interference in an
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american election. there are real questions about our democracy as stake. as a wise man once said, no one is above the law. that wise man, michael richard pence. after james comey announced he was re-opening an investigation into hillary clinton's e-mails. >> what the decision this week showed is, even 11 days before an election, no one is above the law. >> again, we don't know what ultimately will come of any of this, but maybe the investigation should wrap up when it's finished, not when the president or the vice president decides it's closing time. so, that company we mentioned that paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to michael cohen after the election, it's called cl columbus nova, and it is linked to a russian oligarch, viktor vekselberg, who went to the trump inauguration. tonight, we're learning even more of that company. a strange turn of events involving the purchase of alt-right domain names. our senior investigative correspondent drew griffin joins me now. drew, we know this company paid
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michael cohen a half million dollars. we know they have deep connections to the russian oligarch viktor vekselberg. but what you're reporting tonight is perhaps even more strange. shortly after hillary clinton gave a speech criticizing the alt-right, somebody at this firm, columbus nova, started registering alt-right websites? >> reporter: yes, john, and yes, it is strange. august 2016, here is that speech. >> this is not conservatism as have known it. this is not republicanism as we have known it. these are racist ideas, race-baiting ideas, anti-muslim, ant anti-immigrant, anti-women, all key tenants making up the emerging racist ideology known as the alt-right. >> reporter: okay, john. within two days after hillary clinton said that word, alt-right, in that speech, a person named fredrik intrater at columbus nova registered eight domain names containing alt-right or a variation. here they are, all eight of them.
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he is the brother of the company's ceo and the registrations were being made using a columbus nova business account. he's also the cousin of that russian oligarch. >> drew, any idea why he wanted these domain names or how they were used? >> reporter: we got a statement from him tonight. he's saying he purchased these domain names for years with his own money and he would then try to sell them for profit. on these specific domain names involving the alt-right, the statement says this, he regrets doing this and that, i subsequently thought better of the idea of selling domain names, which obviously now have connotations that are inconsistent with my moral beliefs. goes on to say, so instead of selling them, i left them dormant to let them expire. in retrospect, it was a dumb idea. i never told my brother or anyone else at columbus nova that i had done this. his brother, again, is the ceo, also a cousin with that russian oligarch. the domain names, john, never used to build any websites and
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they, in fact, have now expired. >> all right. drew griffin, thanks very much. one of the many questions looming over the mueller investigation is whether the president will agree to an interview and whether he has had to comply, or whether he will comply with any possible subpoena. so, what is a president to do in that situation? depends who you ask. if it's rudy giuliani or rudy giuliani. here he is last weekend. >> what happens if robert mueller subpoenas the president? will you comply? >> well, we don't have to. he's the president of the united states. >> so, that was rudy giuliani now. how about rudy giuliani then? this is the summer of 1998. same rudy giuliani, different president. bill clinton was in of the at the time. and charlie rose was still on the air. >> if the president is asked to testify, subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury and says, no, not going to do it -- >> he's got to do it.
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i mean, you don't have a choice. >> you got to do it. you don't have a choice. oh, how times have changed. joining me now, cnn political analyst and "new york times" white house correspondent maggie haberman and cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. dana, you know, you spoke to giuliani said, and i understand, just again very recently. give us an update on your conversations with him. >> where do we start, john? first of all, let's maybe start with the news that he broke up with and from his law firm that maggie and her colleagues at "the new york times" broke today. subsequent to that report, cnn and i believe, "the times," as well, got a statement from that law firm, suggesting that when giuliani went on fox last week and talked about the fact that law firms all the time, he seemed to say law firms all the time make -- lawyers all the time make payments for their clients without telling their
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clients. a spokeswoman for the firm today put out a statement basically saying, ah, no, no, we don't do that. i just spoke with giuliani, who was quite upset, as you can imagine, about the notion of them dissing giuliani so publicly. he argued that, well, what he was talking about at fox, john, follow this, wasn't necessarily making a payment as a lawyer on behalf of a client without telling them. he said he would never do that and has never done that. he was talking about signing a nda, a nondisclosure agreement. that's what he said. but more importantly, he's now in a public spat with the law firm that he was officially with until this week. he told me that the law firm has a lot of good people and a lot of people who hate my client, meaning the president of the united states, and i don't particularly appreciate this. so, this is a fleeting story, but it also sort of feeds into the larger issue of giuliani being the story, and being very
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much a principal in an area where he is the law to the principal, the president. >> i think this is the cleanup of the cleanup of the cleanup. i sort of lost count here. i don't think it's at all true what the mayor is now saying, that he wasn't talking about payments being made by a law firm. we'll go and check that transcript, but it was crystal clear when he said it. maggie, you've covered mayor giuliani for a long, long time. >> forever, yes. drag that out. >> this is not exactly surgical legal precision i feel like we're seeing here. >> look, so, i had a similar conversation with him to the one dana had, and one of the things he said to me in the conversation, he was very upset about what his former law firm had said, he also told mel he was talking about the ndas. i, too, would have to go back and look at the transcript, but there is a realm where not knowing what was said there that could have been what he was talking about. he has not been, you know, precise in a lot of these
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television hits what was interesting, he said to me that he had laid low, which we've known, but i hadn't heard him say it on the record. he had laid low for the last 18 months or so, basically at the request of his law firm. they did not want him out there, they were unhappy with the surrogate work that he did for president trump toward the end of 2016 during the campaign. they did not want him that out there. it was upsetting some of their lawyers, i think it was not just the lawyers aren't fans of the president, i do think that's part of it, but clients were getting upset. he told me he had two offers to host radio shows that he turned down and he said that he was happy to betelevision, quote unquote, frankly i've missed it. i think he's having fun. for all of the reports about how the president's angry and the president's this, you have to remember, this is a president who is not so keen on telling people to their face when he's upset. so, i think you are seeing a lot of, you know, the president conveying his dismay at certain issues by proxy of staff. i think that the president's staff is very frustrated by
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giuliani, but that's a different issue. >> they are. john, can i just add to what maggie was saying? i'm sure you've heard the same thing. and that is that president trump right now is distracted with things that he considers pretty big accomplishments, or wins on the board. >> yep. >> what happened with north korea and the amazing, amazing story of these three americans coming home and being released today. of course, an upcoming summit which they've now announced the time and the date. iran, which he thinks is a, you know, a campaign promise kept that his base is very happy about. so on and so forth. and so, because of that, the things that would normally really send him up a tree and say, you know what, rudy giuliani is out of here, like he did with scaramucci or other people who had been loyal to him, he is not doing right now. >> right. >> so that is sort of part of the -- what's going on here. the other thing, as maggie said, rudy giuliani was unfaltering in his loyalty to donald trump
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throughout the entire campaign, including and especially during the "access hollywood" situation. >> so, maggie, just in terms of robert mueller, you know, we heard vice president mike pence say that a year is almost up and the year is the magical time when this all, you know, turns into a pumpkin and ends right now. is there any indication that robert mueller feels the same way, or is the president's legal team getting any sense that mueller feels that way? >> no. they have no idea where this is going or where this is going to end. the basic estimation that everybody can make right now is that the mueller probe will have to be on hold at some point over the summer so that there can be no sense of interfering with politics as we head into the midterms. the probe that they remain the most concerned about, again, is the southern district of new york probe into michael cohen, the president's former lawyer, current lawyer, depending on what the president wants to say at any given moment. in terms of mueller, i know you paid video of the mayor talking about -- former mayor talking about an interview for the
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president with mueller's team, i still think that's pretty unlikely. i understand that one of the appeals that having giuliani for trump was about, you know, testing whether this could be wrapped up quickly. in reality, my understanding is that president trump both wanted a big name, because he's very frustrated by the narrative that he can't hire a lawyer, which has been true, but he wanted somebody who people knew, and giuliani is doing a pr campaign that the president, while he might not like all of it, there are aspects of it he does like. >> laying the political groundwork, perhaps not to testify or what happens after he doesn't testify, which may be the most important thing they're doing. >> correct. to put stuff out about michael cohen's probe as well. >> maggie haberman, dana bash, great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> thank you. all right, a blowup in a cabinet meeting. the president berating his homeland security secretary over immigration, "the new york times" says kiersten nielsen nearly quit about this. we're going to speak to "the times" reporter who broke this story next. ok. they're delicious side dishes with the protein of beans, whole grains...
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why she didn't submit it in the end. what we know is that it was quite a meeting. this was a regular cabinet meeting. we had a little glimpse at the top of the meeting yesterday, as we normally do. reporters are let in. the president kind of gave a little bit of a hint about what was to come when he sort of described his frustration with the fact that immigration laws hadn't been toughened enough. then the reporters were let out of the room and the cameras were led away. we're told that at that meeting, which was to talk about immigration, to talk about what the country's doing to close the borders down, that the president just erupted, expressed his frustration about the fact that the laws were not working, that the border was too porous, and that much of his anger and frustration was directed at kirstjen nielsen, the secretary of homeland security that the agency that he thinks is most responsible and most lacking in terms of trying to shut the border down, and that it was -- it grew so heated and so intense that by the end of the meet, she was incredibly frustrated.
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she felt like it had all been directed at her and ultimately told associates and friends that she had considered -- was on the verge of resigning and had, in fact, drafted a resignation letter. when i talked to people today, it appeared that maybe things had calmed down and that she had reconsidered and the folks over at the department of homeland security say she's on the job and intends to stay there, at least for now. >> so, nielsen is a protege of the chief of staff, general john kelly. and the president, we've been told, has never really been a giant fan of hers. any sense why that is exactly? >> well, there are a couple of reasons. i mean, i think, you know, the president has always been suspicious of people who he views not as sufficiently kind of loyal to his cause, that includes obviously obama staffers who had been in the previous administration, but it also including people who were loyal to former president george w. bush. he views the kind of bush universe as people who really weren't part of the trump
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phenomenon. kirstjen nielsen had served for many years in the bush administration, first in the department of homeland security and in other roles, and so i think there was that piece of it that he wasn't entirely sure about her. frankly, when she came over, remember, john kelly was homeland security secretary first and then came over to be chief of staff. he brought her with him to the white house. she served in the white house for a few months. she didn't make herself any friends there. she was seen as the enforcer, the person who limited access to president trump. remember all of the staff that used to go in and out of the oval office, sort of whenever they wanted, she was kind of kelly's enforcer in that, and that rankled him, as well. >> is this the first time that the president has had a clash like this with nielsen? >> no. i think part of what happened here is this was the culmination of a lot of weeks of building frustration. the president, we're told, several weeks ago, had been in
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series of meetings, telephone conference calls, as well as in-person meetings, that included secretary nielsen, you know, essentially going through the same issue. expressing his frustration that the laws aren't tough enough, the immigration laws, and he expressed that to her before. this was just a more intense version of it and in front of the entire cabinet. >> all right. she's still on the job. michael shear, thanks so much. still to come, new polling on how president trump and special counsel robert mueller are handling the russia investigation. we're going to break it down with feedback from republicans, independents and democrats. there's little rest for a single dad. and back pain made it hard to sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid... ...plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. this is bill's yard. and bill has a "no-weeds, not in my yard" policy. but with scotts turf builder weed & feed, bill has nothing to worry about. it kills weeds
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new cnn polling just released on the mueller investigation. a majority of americans has a negative view of how president trump is now handling it, with just 31% approving of his actions, 55% disapproving. meanwhile, overall, mueller is fairing better in the court of public opinion. 44% approve of the way he's handling the investigation, 38% disapreview, 18% are unsure. look how the numbers shift when you break it down by party affiliation. republicans now give mueller just a 17% approval rating. that's down 12 points since march. among independents and democrats, there hasn't been much of a shift. as for whether president trump should testify under oath if asked by mueller, that stands at 39% for republicans, down double digits since march. again, little change from independents and democrats. only 28% of republicans say mueller should subpoena president trump if he won't speak with investigators. that rises to 63% for independents and climbs to 92% among democrats. joining me now to talk about the
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numbers and the timing of all of this, former republican senator, cnn's senior political commentator, rick santorum, and cnn chief legal analyst and former prosecutor jeffrey toobin. jeffrey, i want to start with what the vice president of the united states said today, it's time to wrap it up. 12 months in next week to the mueller investigation, time to wrap it all up. is there a clock ticking on all this? >> well, i don't -- you know, i don't think what mike pence said, there was anything wrong with it, to be honest. i mean, you know, i think he was expressing a feeling that this should be wrapped up. mine, compared to the things that donald trump says every day about the mueller investigation, this was such a mild thing. you know, he expressed the desire to have it wrapped up. i think that's a reasonable desire. i think it's sort of fine what he said. >> senator santorum, your former colleague lindsey graham had this to say about it today. >> that's not vice president pence's decision to make. i'm sure mr. mueller will wrap it up when it gets time to wrap it up.
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the only thing i can say is i haven't seen any evidence of collusion. mr. mueller has a good reputation. we'll see what his report says and where he goes, but in the system, you can't have the people being investigated tell you to wrap it up. >> you know, senator santorum, what happened to justice taking its course? you know, i don't remember the calls from republicans during the whitewater investigation to wrap it up after one year. >> well, no, there wasn't, but let's just be honest, the intensity of the coverage of this investigation is unmatched. i mean, i was in the congress during whitewater. >> i was in journalism during whitewater and monica lewinsky. we did an awful lot. i was on a chartered jet back from cuba because of that. there was a lot of coverage. >> there was a lot of coverage, it came in fits and starts. whitewater was a long investigation and, yeah, there were periods where there was lot of discussion. then you went months and never
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heard anything. there have been other long investigations by special counsels. it's one of the reasons i don't like special counsels and don't think we should have them. >> anymore? you didn't then. >> well, no, i've been against special counsels for a long, long time. >> since impeachment, since ken starr, since president clinton was impeached? >> i don't think -- i think we should trust the justice department to do its job and we shouldn't bring bhe, frankly, pe who are untethered to accountability to do this, whose job it is to indict somebody. when you put somebody in this position, i don't think their job is to get the truth, i think their job is to get some, you know, scalps. i think that's just the wrong approach. having said that, you know, this is only a year investigation. i understand it's not that long. but if you consider the amount of attention and the impact that this investigation and the reporting on it has had, it's far outweighed its longevity. >> i thought you would take toobin's comment, you know that
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the vice president said was okay and run with it. toobin threw you a bone there and you left it sitting. >> you know, i generally agree with what he -- that the vice president has a right to say what he wants to say. >> right. >> but i just think it feels a lot longer than a year. it feels like ten years for the people. >> that's because we're all getting older. jeff, the other interesting thing is these poll numbers, which i do think is fascinating. >> totally. >> the headline is, it's working. what the president is doing to an extent politically speaking is working. the republican support for the mueller investigation has plummeted. >> right. >> you know, the president has political cover among republicans if he decides not to testify. >> this is donald trump's political party. i mean, donald trump runs the republican party and republicans agree with most of what he says. the fact that he has been calling this a witch hunt over and over again has started to affect the poll numbers in a very -- in a very direct way. and, you know, i don't think it's going to affect robert
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mueller, you know, what per sent he is in the polls, but i think it is indicative of the political environment, these deeply tribal moments that we're in, democrats believe an entirely different set of facts than republicans believe. that's what's reflected in the polls. >> senator, smart politics? >> yeah, i think it's less about donald trump calling it a witch hunt than it is all the other information that's come out. the alternative facts, if you want to say, not on the russia investigation with respect to trump, but with respect to hillary clinton and the democratic party. i think that's where republicans are parting company with the mueller investigation. that if, in fact, you know, we're going to look into this, why don't you look into the entire matter that most people find to have more legal problems than what donald trump did. >> you know what, this is so true. if you go to the parallel universe that is fox news, hillary clinton's investigated every night on fox news. they are still crazed to see her locked up, and that,
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i think, is reflected in both this polling and the general political environment in the republican party. >> sure. >> not withstanding the fact, as i believe rick knows, hillary clinton actually lost the presidential election and is a private citizen in chappaqua. >> senator santorum definitely knows. >> i think i do know that. >> thank you so much for being with us. turns out michael cohen got a whole lot more money from at&t. we'll have that. and with a republican source saying cohen was peddling influence, sechbling his access to the president, sure does seem like what a lobbyist would do. in a moment, i'm going to speak to the one-time king of lobbyists, who served time for his illegal actions. we'll get his take on all of this in just a moment. shed pota! but made from cauliflower. looks like i need a fork! oh no. (giggles) birds eye veggie made. so veggie good. not in this house. 'cause that's no so-so family.
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and created more good-paying jobs. antonio villaraigosa for governor. more breaking news tonight. more information about the deal between president trump's personal attorney michael cohen and at&t. at&t hired cohen specifically to inform them about the merger with at&t. cohen reportedly had a sales pitch. he courted companies bay saying, i don't know who has been representing you, you should fire them all. i'm the guy you should hire. i'm closest to the president, i'm his personal lawyer. as you know, selling personal power is an old profession.
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abramoff served years in prison. today he considering himself an ethics reformer. paying for access in washington is not new. michael cohen, as the president's personal attorney, not registered as a lobbyist, is that how it's supposed to work? >> is that out of bounds? >> there are a couple things going on here. it's a complex situation. the question is, did michael cohen lobby anybody. did he get paid to be an adviser. the problem is, we have these categories. the fact that washington is able to get away with this. creating a classification of people who can be lobbyists and not register. that seems to be where he's falling. >> to be a lobbyist, it would have meant he would have gone to the government and pressed for something for novartis, for
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for columbus nova. for at&t, and we don't know whether he did that. that would be being a lobbyist, however, just being an adviser, as a sitting attorney, as a personal attorney for the president, is that okay? >> well, you know, in terms of whether or not it's leg or not. i don't know what his ethical requirements are, vis-a-vis the bar. and things like that. did he break the law? it doesn't seem to me. >> the question is, is this right? is this something that america likes, no, it is not. america does not like to see the lobbyists get special access, that may be what he was offering for sale to these clients. >> one of the firms that michael cohen worked with was squire patton boggs. he had office space in new york there. the firm did not have a key to the office. the office was always locked. he used his own computer server.
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that was kept separate from the firm. is there any reason you could think of why that would be necessary? >> i don't know whether or not that actual was actually a patton square boggs office or if it was that they made a deal with him as a consultant to be able to be affiliated with that firm. a lot of lobbying firms in washington. -- a lot of them will bring on people like michael cohen if they have specific access and specific knowledge to work a specific project. whether that was an actual square patton boggs office, it would be surprising if it were. and if it were, they didn't have access to it, would be shocking. >> you know every side of this business inside and out. the good and the bad, frankly. so based on what you know, and you've been looking into it as much as we have the last 24 hours, based on what you see, does it smell right? >> no. well, again, i don't think it doesn't seem that he's broken laws here, he may have broken laws if he did lobby.
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but certainly in terms of what seems right to america and right to the public in general, i don't think people like to see this, which is somebody on the inside cashing in for their inside knowledge. the other thing that people have to look at is, how did all this stuff get out. it's a separate question. i know not our topic, one that is troubling people in town more than this one. >> the bank records of michael cohen, how did they get out. very quickly, this american company with ties to this russian oligarch through this russian company. columbus nova is that the type of company that would normally do business, trying to get access through someone like michael cohen? >> almost every company in america that has anything to do with federal law needs to get access to the federal government. there's so much that goes on in washington, that affects them. so it 1 not unusual for any kind of company that has any interface with the federal government to at least be seeking advice what to do, they're very bottom line, their
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very existence could be dried by actions in washington, d.c.. >> possible or plausible that president trump did not know that michael cohen was pitching himself in this way. >> i think it's probable. i don't think -- from what i've heard from people around him, president trump does not approve of people going out and pitching themselves like this. i would imagine michael cohen probably kept this from president trump. because he probably would have been at the receiving end of a tonguelashing had he told him. >> the insensitive comment about john mccain who is at home battling brain cancer. the aide said, he's dying anyway. the reaction tonight from the white house. and mccains family. alerts. oh! we'll alert you if we find your social security number on any one of thousands of risky sites, so you'll be in the know. ewww! being in the know is very good.
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as the president speaks in the heartland, news of a heartless comment from someone on the white house staff about an american hero battling brain cancer. on the table tonight, attacking mccain, a horrible joke about john mccain from someone inside the white house, wrap it up, that's what the vice president suggested. the mueller investigation has gone on long enough. and credit whe