new program, cuomo prime time. we're sending him, his wife, their daughter, off with all of our very, very best wishes. he's tell iing me to wrap up because the end of our show. vaughn, good look to you. we love you. only, only the best. thanks very much for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, no apoloap. refusing to condemn a cruel joke about john mccain. what's so hard about saying i'm sorry? and the president's chief of staff knock backing down about undocumented imgranls that some say are racist. plus, rudy giuliani in court today. only thing, client wasn't trump. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm kate bolduan in for erin burnett.

stone call wahling. the white house refusing to apologize or acknowledge an offensive comment about john mccain. kelly sadler according to one white house official jokeded at a meeting that mccain's opinion dunlt matter because he's quote, dying any way. >> meghan mccain, his daughter, wondered why she still had a job here. does she? >> i'm not going to comment on an internal staff meeting. >> does the white house not not think you have to contain these ir remarks. >> apologize to senator mccain. >> not going to get into a back and forth because you know, people want to create issues of leaked staff meetings. >> in case you didn't catch that. sanders doesn't want to talk about it. mccain to apologize about this whole thing. still, sanders certainly not apologetic, defended the culture

inside the west wing. >> is there a tone set from the top here where it is allow ed fr an aide to say he's dying any way. >> certainly there is not a tone set here. we have a respect for all americans. >> but sanders later conceded donald trump does set the tone. >> does he bear responsibility -- >> certainly does -- >> what tone then is it that the president sets? when it comes to john mccain, a brief walk down memory lane. >> we have competent politician. not only the president. here in your own state, you have john mccain. >> he's not a war hero. he's a war hero. he's the war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured, okay? i hate to tell you. >> today, a whole lot of people had something to say about this, including joe biden. here's what he put in part.

people have wondered when decency would hit rock bottom with this administration. it happened yesterday. kaitlyn collins is "outfront" right now for us. it sounds like the white house is standing by the staffer. what are you hearing tonight? >> they are. you heard from sarah sanders there during the press briefing today. not an apology for what kelly sadler said about senator mccain and not an acknowledgment she made the comment. she was at work here today doing hur taxpayer funded job. it was business add usual despite the fact she has overtaken the headlines with that crass remark she made about john mccain. of course, today during the brief, we heard from sarah sanders. he seem ed to sigona what she thought was the problem was the fact that conversation leaked out of a moting they had with out two dozen staffers. not the fact she made the remark. that was a lot of criticism from

that briefing today was the fact that the white house wouldn't even acknowledge she made the remark and move on. but the white house saying they're not going to comment on internal leaks inside the meeting. of course, meghan mccain, that she did call mccain and apologize. it's unclear what mccain's response was. we heard from her today really raising the question that a lot of people here in washington are also asking, which is why does kelly sadler still have this job b here in the white house with no apology or anything else from the white house. >> simple answer seems to be because the president allows her to. thanks so much. "outfront" with me now, reed galen, former deputy campaign manager for john mccain and rick santorum, former senator from pennsylvania. thanks so much. reed, first to you. where do you land on this?

is it fair to put this on the president when this comment came from a staffer? >> you know, i think it is for a couple of reasons. one, i've been privileged enough to work with president trump and he set the tone and it was one of respect and one of dignity. not only for the people that work there, but all americans. if this had happened while president bush was in office, first you would have been marched to the oval office then frog marched to the northwest gait. when you work at the white house, you represent and reflect the president. this is just one more reflection of president trump. >> senator, where do you land on this? plays probably the most important voice is john mccain's family. here is what kaitlyn apluded to, but here's what meghan mccain said today. zpl i don't understand what kind of environment you're working in when that would be acceptable then come to work next day and still have a job. >> do you think the staffer should be fired? >> if she said it, then there

should have been some discipline. fired, i don't know. there should have been some disciplinary action and they should have owned up to it and you know, there's plenty of blame to go around herement. the person who leaked is ir rep henceab henceable. you loeaked something that's going to hurt the president. a rude and foul thing to say that we don't need. so who is this leaker? that's equally you know, atrocio atrocious. i agree with the others that the president holds some responsi e responsibility here for his for setting ta tone and presidents do set tones. no doubt about that. >> but senator, where is it, is it equal though, the fact the comment was said or the fact that someone leaked it out? you think those things are equally agreegs? >> everyone's going to say, oh,

no one ever says anything foul or crude at internal meetings. it happens all the time. unfortunately. and it shouldn't but it does. and the reality is that the perscription who leaked it took something that was a private thing that would never have gotten out and put it out there in the public stage. and so yes, i think they are very, very culpable in this situation. they've added fuel to the fire. >> joan? >> well, i think we've learned two things about this white house. or maybe we've had two things confirmed, kate. one is the president is a nasty man. he sets the tone at the top. he has mocked the the disabled. >> you mean this confirms he's a nasty man? >> yes, i do think it's on him. he has set a tone where somebody would be setting in a meeting and say, ha, this is funny. we can mock john mccain. our bosses mocked him repeatedly. no problem. there's that. the other side of it and i'm not going to agree with senator santorum, but this white house is a snake pit. people are leaking constantly. we are having con vversations

about leaked comments, leaked insults. back biting constantly. it was a little bit rich for sanders to say i'm not going to talk about a leak. half of her business is responding to the latest, what has the president said about john kelly. is rex tillerson out the door. so she's constantly. she deems to or doesn't deem to. not to today because it's embarrassing. >> reed, on the specific question of just civility and politics, call me polly anna, you sure can. do you think we have hit rock bottom here? >> i don't know, but certainly you know as an old friend of mine used to say, when you worked in washington or in politics, you wore your red jersey, your blue jerry and at the end of f the day, you took those off. you were opponents, not enemies. i think we've traded those for war paint. we now see each other as enemy,

not as opponents. not as people who want to do right by the american people or best. but how do we win the zero sum game that i think washington really has become today. >> let's kneel down on this issue of the leaks. this is something you think is agree jous. it was not long ago that president trump loved leaks. if we need a refresher, here it is. >> this just came out. wikileaks, i love wikileaks. another one came in today. this wikileaks is like a treasure-trove. >> i will tell you this. russia if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> so is it a little rich for the white house now to say they aren't going to be responding to leaks? >> yeah, he was referring to potential activity going on. that's a different thing. if tas leak of that nature,

you're talk about whistle blowing as much as leaking. >> stolen e-mails. those were stolen. >> this was in the sense that there was no, who benefits from this. it's swrjust, it's a horrible tg to say. it besmirches the name of john mccain. attempts to. and it hurts the president. the whole discussion. that's the kind of stuff that there's just no place. >> to the senator's point, if these leaks happen so much and this is one example today. there's another example about coming out of the cabinet meeting with kirsten nielsen. when it comes to this, does the president then have a strong footing when he thinks everyone's out to get him? >> people in his own white house seem to be out to get him sometimes. there's dysfunction from the top. it goes straight down the organization. he's beset with leaks, but i think he's created the situation

where people are back biting. people have rivalries and that's true in every workplace, but this is worse than i think we've ever seen. i just want to warn you about something. you asked about whether we've hit bottom. never say bottom with this president. i promise you -- >> i won't even put it on. i think the state of washington is bottomed until let's see, tomorrow. great to see you. thanks for coming. next, john kelly under fire for saying undocumented immigrants don't have the skills to assimilate. plus, breaking news. robert mueller reportedly requesting information from a major corporation regarding their communications with the president's personal attorney. michael cohen. we'll have the details. and the president calls kim jong-un excellent. the secretary of state says the meeting he had with kim was warm and good. is this good strategy? brighthouse financial

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congressman luis gutierrez. thanks for coming in. >> thanks. >> when you heard that, what did you think? >> i thought of my mom. she came with a fifth grade education. i thought of my dad. didn't graduate from high school when he came to the united states. i'm very proud of them. i think they did a good job. i think of the more than 25 members of the hispanic congressional caucus that mr. kelly said those same words to that were invisible to him. he doesn't see us. doesn't see who our parents are. >> he's repeated this same thipg to you? >> yeah, he said this is what he said. you know, we need to bring immigrants here that have college education. that speak enginelish. it's the same man a tra. it's a different spin and using different words, saying exactly the same thing that the people

that are coming here don't fit into our economy. right? don't fit into our society. don't easily come here. that somehow, they don't come with the educational skills when we know and the reason i say there's no historical context, think. if this was 1850 and we were the irish, which i assume mr. kelly's mr. kelly's great american ball park grandfather, what did they say about the irish in oh, they're coming here and thap drink too much. and they're boisterous and catholics and they're uneducated. the only person they believe in is the pope. that's not an exaggeration. he is using exactly the same kind of arguments that were used against his forefathers. about wrong about the irish. wrong about immigrants. >> supporters of the president say they don't see the outrage here and the reason why is they say he's not talking about people trying to come in legally.

it's a legal versus illegal distinction. talking about people trying to come illegally. do you see the distinction? >> yeah, i do. and here's the problem with the distinction. >> he says well, oh, golly. if only the congress would do something. we did, we went to the president of the united states. senator lindsey graham and senator durbin went to the president of the united states and said we can take care of temporary protective status. he said oh, they've been here for 20 years, mr. kelly said. we should find a way for them to become citizens of the united states and you know what their response was? the president said they come from shithole countries and blew up the deal. they even offered $25 billion to build his racist, nonsensical wall. right? this tribute to bigotry.

he said no. >> then what are you saying here? you don't believe anything that's coming out of their mouths because john kelly said he thinks there should be a pathway to citizenship for people. >> i know, but you know what? he should stand up and stop dodging his own responsible because he's saying that on the one hand while steven miller, who reports to him because he's the chief staff, is in the same room saying that they're all murdere murderers, rapists and drug dealers and if they're not, they're coming from shithole countries. my mom and dad, they came here legally. they were american citizens, but they didn't speak the language. they did well and so have immigrants throughout the ages. that's what makes this a great country. almost as though mr. kelly forgets. come here to be doctors, engineers, teachers, to be wonderful, highly educated people, yes.

but you know what? you know the ones i was thinking about when he was saying that, the ones that probably came across undocumented to work in the fields and he eats the vegetables they pick. that no american will go out and pick and he eats the fruit of their labor. literally and figuratively. they work at back breaking jobs. and you know what i thought also? mr. kelly hassed with such d distinction in the armed forces. surely he must have seen permanent residents, people who have not become citizens who crossed the border illegally. >> you mentioned this and -- who served in the armed services. >> you mentioned this, but the white house is putting it on when it comes to immigration policy and the broken system, they're putting it on congress. specifically on democrats. sarah sanders did it just today. listen to this. >> democrats have got to stop playing games. they've got to stop doing this just because it's a midterm

year. they still have to do their job and we'll like to see the system. not only is the administration frustrating, but americans are, too. 80% of americans would like to see this problem fixed. themt something to be done. >> the white house is ready to make change. >> kayou guy, there at cnn, hav very responsibly been reporting. we now know there are 20 republicans who have signed on to a discharge petition so that we can have a vote on the dream act. we know that there are 100 -- >> would you put this on the white house or republicans like mitch mcconnell? >> mr. kelly goes oh, golly, gosh, if they would only -- we are there. help us get the job done. the fact is the votes exist in the congress of the united states to revolve the issue for the dreamers. to resolve the issue for those on tps and he has to stop saying

i'm on npr. salvatore yans have families here. now step up and do your job and stop shirking your responsibility and tell the president of the united states you don't need the congress of the united states to do a single thing. this is an executive authority in your hands. you're the ones that -- >> you just think he's playing to the audience. >> look. all i know is he's not fulfilling his responsibility when he comes on a radio programened knows the exec branch of government, is the ones that have caused for hundreds of thousand of people who are here legally in the united states. and he made them undocumented and eligible for deportation. so they can continue to feed this kind of senne phobic racest nonsense. he's got to fill full his responsibilities. he's got to act.

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in the journal, reporting another major company michael cohen tried to score a big contract with in change for insight information about trump administration. according to the journal, robert mule ler learned about this in his investigation. let's get more on this. peter nicholas is the person who broke this story. what else is k you tell us about this outrage between cohen to ford motor company? >> we know he was successful in getting some companies to use him for consulting services. this is an instance where he approached the company in january 20 subpoena not long after president trump won the election and touted his proximity to the president. once he and formally if he could

do some work for ford and was rebuffed. ford decided they didn't these services and turned them down. what's interesting is that although there was no work done, robert mueller got interested in it and asked to interview a ford official who was talking to michael cohen about it and sought e-mails and other records so this became part of mueller's broad investigation into michael cohen and trump. >> peter, any insight as to why robert mueller is interested in this between michael cohen and ford? >> we know that mueller has been looking into michael cohen's company, essential consultants. last year, for example, mueller's office has sought information from pharmaceutical company, novartis and also from at&t, payments they made to essential consultants. so they're looking at this company. looking at michael cohen's involvement in it. they're investigating whether

cohen might have committed bank fraud or other crimes. it's part of the broader investigation into michael cohen and essential consultants and hue the company was used as a vehicle to receive some of these payments. >> peter, thank you so much. really appreciate you jumping on the phone. thank you again. let's discuss this now. mj lee is here along with former u.s. assistant attorney for the southern district and former prosecutor. harry, let me get your take on this. why do you think this seems different. why do you think that robert mueller is is interested in this outreach between cohen and ford motor company in. >> seems as if he's looking into whether cohen essentially trying to pedal his relationship with the president. sometimes, successfully getting a contract, but also unsucce unsuccessfully. if you're looking at a scheme to defraud, even unsuccessful can

be relevant because you want to show spent of the person who's involved. you want to show that something happened repeatedly, even if it wasn't always successful. >> and reneado raises the question, this was influence peddling. what you see in washington. it's not illegal, though it might be unsavory, if you will. any suggestion now that the fact pha mueller is look iing into i you think he believes there's something improperly done here? >> well, we saw from the statements that avenatti put out, that cohen may have made some false statements to the bank. i suspect that mueller's trying to take a look at the r representations he was making to these people. if you lie to somebody to get their money, that's fraud and it's very simple. so that's, that is what i think mueller is taking a look at and he's obviously probably also trying to look and see what exactly cohen promised.

did he promise a specific things that he would do for them in the trump administration, regarding the trump administration, what he promised. there are circumstances in which it can be illegal if you make mistakes and we know that michael cohen is not always the most careful person on earth. >> mj, peter, nicholas mentioned this. you've got ford now. at&t. novartis ahead of this. just seems like the companies keep racking up that michael cohen either successfully or unsuccessfully reached out to get contracts offering up his insight into the trump administration. any guess on how these companies are are going to be? >> interesting this is actually the first example of cohen actually not being successful in trying to get the consulting contract with a big firm as we have seen this week, companies like at&t and novartis, they're showing remorse they pen these deals in the first place. they said that was not wise of

us. we should have vetted this person. with an example like novartis, they said this person was not suited to give us health care policy and i think you and would have expected that. i will say on the topic of robert mueller and the fact that mueller was interested in this specific communication, i think the challenge we confront every day is yes, it's always significant when we find out now information, but on the flip side of that, we also know that mueller is casting such a wide net. should it be surprising that he is interested in something about michael cohen, a man who has worked so closely with president trump? it actually isn't. so what we don't know and the conclusion we can't make is whether mueller was looking into these payments because there was something problematic or if it was more that he was cleollecti information about michael cohen. >> it's swres interesting and get to a question, it's one thing if it was swept up and casting a wide net. but do you see that this could,

where does this land in the terms of what his purview is,s which is the russia investigation. >> that's hard e to know. it may have something to do with the bank accounts that are involved. you may see money coming in or out and if this is work being done for essential consultant, they just want the know everything b about it. it may be that people have come forward at different points voluntarily to say you know, i know you're investigating these issues. i'd like to tell you about something interesting that happened. so it's possible that's how it came up rather than through a subpoena or some kind of you know, demand for information. >> does this surprise you at all? does this fit into category that you think mueller is reaching in any regard? >> no, not at all. look, we know that this bank account had money that was going into it from a firm that's

connect today a russian oligarch. i think it makes sense for mueller to take a look at what cohen was doing. see what kind of leverage he'd have. we know later on, he referred to case to the southern district of new york. this may be part of that case. this could be a bank fraud that we've heard so much about. >> mj, when it comes to the companies that have spoken out, we haven't heard michael cohen. he hasn't really spoken out about this. right? he's disputed some of what michael avenatti has put out, but none of this. >> you have to keep in mind how much legal hot water he is in right now. payments aside, keep many mind there's a whole separate criminal investigation that is separate from the mueller investigation as we were talk ing about and as a part of that, when investigators went in and raided his home, his office, his hotel room, they took thousands of pages of records and documents and we know for a fact

they are interested in his business transactions, especially his taxi medallions business, but also took information about the stormy daniels case. so if i'm michael cohen, i'm not sleeping well at night because i don't know what information investigators took could come back and bite me, right? >> i would say so. harry, put aside mueller for a second. do you think this information about ford motor company or at&t and novartis, do you think that is of interest to your former colleagues? >> it may be, although we're at the point where you know, we don't know exactly what the dividing line is between the southern district and mueller investigation. it seems likely that if they're both looking at michael cohen, there may be aspect of the investigation that go across the two offices and there may be aspects specific to the southern district such as whatever lead ro rosenstein to send the case there. >> does this surprise you that this is coming out? >> it doesn't. given the heat that some of the

companies have taken for being in the arrangement at this point, i might expect people would like to get out front of the story and not be in the position where the first couple of disclosed businesses were and to get it out and just sort of hope that it's a day two story unless people will pay attention, although we're all here talking about it now. >> when it comes to michael cohen and donald trump, robert mueller, it's never a target it seems. thank you so much for coming. really appreciate you bringing it here. next, donald trump says he's more than willing to walk waway from kim jong-un, but is there any turning back? from all of this hype and veterans are demanding to know why a low level white house staffer can insult a war hero and not lose her job. lton getaws you get more because... you get another day in paradise. get a sunset on a sunday. get more stories to share. get more from your summer getaway with exclusive hilton offers. book yours, only at hilton.com

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. the white house not ready to lay out expectations for trump's summit next month with kim jong-un. >> certainly the best outcome would be an agreement for complete and total denuclearization. but this is the beginning part of these conversations. not going to get ahead of what we expect for that date. >> this after president trump said it's no big deal if the meeting isn't success. >> i think it's going to be a very big success. but my attitude is and if it isn't, it isn't.

okay? >> "outfront" now, former director of the national intelligence under president obama, general james clapper. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> the white house today said that south korea's not going to be part of f the summit between trump and kim. do you think that's a mistake? >> no, not necessarily. i don't think required that the u.s. be present when ever the north and the south have dialog dialogue. that's a very healthy thing. as usually the case, when that happen, why the south will debrief us and i would expect with a bilateral meeting between north korea and president trump that we'll run the same courtesy to the south, so now, i don't think that's a bad thing. >> i want to play how president trump and secretary of state mike pompeo have been talking about kim jong-un over the past day. listen to this.

>> . >> we had good conversations. substantive. conversations that involve deep, complex problems. they were warm. >> what dough you make of this change in language we see with the administration? is it warming up your target before you sit down to negotiate or do you think it's bad form since this is a d dictator with a complete disregard the human rights? >> i think under the circumstance, it doesn't hurt to be solicitous and try to create a positive environment as long as you don't overdo it. i doubt any of the three detainees who were released would have said that the excellent treatment they got because it's pretty tough conditions there.

>> he says he'll walk away from the meeting if he doesn't like what he's hearing. can you game out what actually you think will happen if the president would walk out of the middle of the meeting? is it back the scare one? is it something worse? >> i think back to square one. i wouldn't anticipate military action as a result of it, but that would be quite insulting to the koreans. it's important there be no heir of condescending demeanor with respect to what the president says to kim jong-un. shouldn't brag about because of the bellicose rhetoric or tough sanctions. in other words, is it not a good thing during the meeting the run it in as to why they're having the meeting. i think the real reason they're having it is that they finally

achieved whatever it is they think they need and now for the first time, will not be sitting down across a table from the united states as a supply cant, but rather an equal. >> you know, the white house speaking of the white house and what they've been saying recently, the white house put it quoted you actually in a release defending the -- to the cia director. you support her very much. but president is also attacked you often as a leaker and according to him in a tweet, a lying machine. so they trash you when they see fit, but use the endorsement when it's convenient. what do you say to that? >> well, i don't know what to say about it. on one hand, it's kind of amusing. i ironic. if what i happen to think of gina haskell resognates with them, so be it.

i think for me, the important point is gina and her qualifications to be the director of cia and i'm very hopeful she'll be confirmed, so if they want to use my endorsement as a way of helping that, fine. >> but john mccain is calling on senators to do opposite. so reject her and his reasoning is this. in his statement, he said h her refusal to acknowledge tortures immorality disqualified. you support haskell, but shouldn't she have answered that question? >> actually, i agree with the way she answered that question because what she avoided, which i think she had to, was retroactively setting a higher moral standard. for the people who were involved in the program. at the time. because at the time, it was approved by the president. sanctioned by the department of justice. and also supported by those who were knowledgeable in the

congress, although i have a hard time finding anybody to fess up u to that. it was important she not condemn rhett etroactively with a new m standa standard, her own people. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> next, veterans coming out to defend senator john mccain against attacks and cruel comments. do they plablame the president the tone? and jeanne moos takes a hands on look at the president's sign of frustration. with the power of 335 turbo-charged horses the lincoln mkx, more horsepower than the lexus rx350 and a quiet interior from which to admire them. the lincoln spring sales event is here. for a limited time get 0% apr on the lincoln mkx. plus get $1000 bonus cash.

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is emblematic. >> i like people that weren't captured. i hate to tell you. >> reporter: veterans we talked to have the deepest respect for the senator. >> as a soldier, to me, he is a hero. and i don't use the word hero lightly. >> joe brukner. that comment offended millions of veterans and i think it probably offended every veteran regardless of his or her political leanings. >> reporter: one of the reasons he said he voted for a third party candidate in 2016. >> i think the man has a lot of capabilities, but sometimes he lets his mouth overload and it

is unfortunate. >> reporter: and you support this president. >> yes i do and i voted him. >> reporter: i reached ron helmly by phone and what does he think of senator mccain? >> i have an amount of respect for him. helmly blames today's polarized politics. >> i am bothered with the amount of incivility in our political justice. >> reporter: i asked helmly if the administration continues to attack mccain, if it will turn away the support. he says the administration's sorted comments violate a

concern, respect. >> it is a shame for this company for what is happening in the last period of time for mccain and mccain what he has left in his life. >> reporter: any veterans are perplexed by this. they can't understand how they can be praising of the military and unpraising for one. they say that respect and support in their minds must be earned and maintained. >> respected across the board is a good lesson. great to see you. thanks. he may have a poker face, but does president trump have a tell. jeanne moos on president's big reveal.

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arms crossed, it is the president's signature move. here is jeanne moos. >> there he is, crossing his arms. >> and i think it is a disgrace. >> in a very untrump like gesture. >> this is a negative defensive gesture. >> his shoulders hunched together, it is extremely unusual for trump to look himself smaller than he is. >> normally his gestures are expansive. but it seems frequently, president trump's been performing with arms cross. >> didn't say it at all. >> crossed arms made it onto the list of the ten worst body language mistakes in an interview. signal defensiveness and

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