trafficked, sometimes more than once. >> you'll do great. >> within a couple years, no matter how difficult and painful and tortured their life may have been, with 100% assurassurance, know that young person will start a career with all kinds of possibilities. >> to see the program for hundreds of vietnamese youth and to nominate someone you think should be a cnn hero, go to cnnheroes.com. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. . good evening. john berman. kelly sadler handles communications and told staffers during a meeting that senator john mccain's opposition gina h

haspel's opinion doesn't matter because he's dying anyway and meant it as a joke but it fell flat, we would hope so. we hope so. senator john mccain is an american patriot, war hero, survived torture. and even if he wasn't any of that, he is a human being battling brain cancer. his wife tweeted may i remind you, my husband has a family, seven children, and five grandchildren. meghan mccain said don't feel bad for her or her family. her father is doing well right now which we are very glad to hear. one thing she says she doesn't understand. >> i don't understand what kind of environment you are working in where that would be acceptable and come to work the next day and still have a job. >> at the white house today multiple reporters tried to ask this multiple times.

watch. >> does she still have a job? >> i am not going to comment on an internal staff meeting. >> does the white house think you should not have to condemn these remarks. >> i am not going to validate a leak one way or another. >> are you saying she doesn't say this? >> i am not going to validate. >> does she still work in the white house? >> yes, she does. >> no condemnation of the remarks and no acknowledgement that they happened. seemed more concern that the remarks were leaked than they were said in the first place. we all know a tax -- given that we have all seen it. john mccain's wife and daughter has talked about it.

kelly saddler called to apologize. the president always has talked trash about president mccain. the president's behavior past and present seems to render this white house incapable of apology of any kind. multiple reporters tried to address this multiple times. >> what does the white house believe about senator mccain and is there a tone set from the top here where it is allowed for an aide to say he is dying anyway? >> certainly, there is not a tone set here, we have respect for all americans. >> why not apologize to senator mccain. >> i am not going to get into back and forth. people want to create issues of

leaked meetings. >> does the president set the tone? does he bear responsibility for the tone that is in the white house? >> the president as i mentioned a moment ago, supports all americans. >> so, according to sarah sanders, the president has not set a tone, he respects all americans, supports all americans. here is just a small sampling of donald j. trump respecting all americans starting with american war hero john mccain. >> he was a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren't captured. maxine waters a low iq individual. you know what they use to do with guys like that, he would be carried out in a stretcher. you had people that were fine people on both sides. >> when you are a star, they let

you do it. you can do anything. i moved on her like a bitch. >> i don't know what i said. i don't remember. >> as the first lady said at the beginning of the week, be best. john mccain is one of the best, and we wish he and his family the best. jeff, once again, sarah sanders avoiding answering questions and standing by kelly saddler, does it seem like there will be any repercussions for these comments. >> reporter: clear there will not be repercussions. she did answer questions saying she is not going to talk about it. that was the answer today from the white house. they were not going to apologize, they were not going to give an inch on this which seems something like, you know, an easy thing to do.

republicans on capitol hill were stunned on this. calling this an internal matter, so i was trying to ask a question to get around the apology thing saying a tone is set for the top, is anyone off limits here? any sense of decency here. the reality is that the president does set the tone from the top and the tone set today was not to apologize. the question is whether that was a direct order from the president or if people were trying to please the president by not doing so. i don't know what the answer to that question is. >> you know, it does certainly

seem, that sarah sanders was more concerned about the fact that this hateful conduct from this taxpayer funded employee leaks than the fact that it was said in the first place. >> reporter: i was struck by that. and this was a leaked comment. sure, it was leaked but the reality here is that the employee apologized herself. she called meghan mccain last evening offering a private apology. she was at work doing normal work. she was doing that today as business as usual. so an internal matter that leaked. but i was struck as we end this leak, the white house treated it as one more attack on them as opposed to what it was, an attack on john mccain. thanks so much. gloria, sarah sanders had multiple opportunities at the podium to simply say that the white house was sorry or the white house sends its thoughts and prayers to john mccain and say something, anything, yet she chose not to go there. it was very apparent, very stark. >> it was striking.

she instead glommed onto the notion that this was a leak of an internal meeting. let me tell you what kind of a meeting this was. this was a meeting that kelly saddler had with congressional communication staffers. this was not internal closed door white house meeting. this was a meeting where you are trying to get your message straight about xy and z. and that is how john mccain probably came up. when she said we didn't have to worry about his vote. so first of all, to say that she is not going to talk about internal leaks is actually inaccurate. and then secondly, it is clear to me, that she would have been out there saying something else if the president had directed otherwise. we know the president cares an

awful lot about what his press secretary says and so i have to believe. and as jeff said before, we can't prove it at this point, but i have got to believe she was doing this with the president's assent or even direction. >> paris you have long times with the mccain family, why can't the white house say sorry? should it? >> i do have long ties with the mccain family and i respect the senator's service and pray for his time of recovery right now. but at the same time, i am also very good friends and close to kelly saddler and the entire communication team. kelly felt like she needed to apologize not only to meghan mccain but other people connected to the family. >> good for her. >> because she felt it was the right thing to do. whether or not it was received that way, i don't know. i don't think the white house meaning sarah sanders needs to apologize for something. this is not something that the president said or did or the white house in an official capacity did. this was something that a staffer, a specialist said during the meeting and she felt bad about it and she did the right thing.

she apologize. i don't think it was said as a joke. they were talking about the nomination of the new cia director and they were bringing up different things from a communication standpoint. someone brought up the fact that the senator had not been in support -- essentially saying what difference does it make because he is not coming to d.c. to vote yes or no. so we don't have to worry about responding to the senator. >> that is not what she said. >> but in a flippant remark, that is what she meant by that. as he lays there in arizona. that is not the case. >> okay. so a, she is paid by you and i, the taxpayer's money. she is a representative of the white house. she is a special assistant. so she does represent the white house. she represents the white house staff.

to suggest otherwise is disingenuous and it was callous. that kind of tone is set from the top and we know this. donald trump has made multiple comments, disparaging comments about john mccain. he has no respect for john mccain's service. he is an american hero. i as a conservative have had my policy differences over the years, but unquestion his service and sacrifice to the country. donald trump is a coward and he doesn't have anywhere close to the level of courage. for this white house to dismiss a comment like that of something to disrespectful is indicative of how far we have fallen and it is shameful. and sarah sanders' response it is shameful. where is john kelly, he is a military guy. he should have fired her on the spot. he knows that level. then again, this is the same white house that defended a wife beater, they lied to cover for him. so why are we surprised. >> gloria. >> well, look, if the staffer herself felt it was important enough and she was right to do this to apologize to the family, and i think that is the right thing to do, why couldn't the white house just have come out and said, look, she has made her apologies which we think was the right thing to do and now let's move on. even if they had acknowledged that, that would have been better than what occurred at the podium today which was effectively trying to brush it off as some leak that they weren't going to address. >> it was. >> it was not a leak of an internal white house meeting.

>> it was a leak of a meeting with congressional communications people who by the way do not work for the white house. they work for capitol hill. she works for the white house. it was a message meeting. but to describe it as an internal white house meeting is not what it was. and you know that paris. >> is part of the problem that if the white house did give a simple discrete, look, we're sorry this was said. those comments that he made at the kick off of the campaign when he said mccain wasn't a war hero. >> i have said things on the air which i regret. it is not the job of cnn to apologize because i am a cnn commentator. i took responsibility for my actions. that is what you do when you have integrity. that is what you do when you feel you have done something wrong. i don't believe it is the responsibility of the white house to go and apologize for every single thing or anything that any staffer says. >> who does she work for? >> the american people. >> and the white house who is the immediate boss. >> you go straight to the source. she felt she should apologize and she did that to several people and it was the right thing to do. >> if cnn does in fact, if a commentator or someone who works for cnn does something. they would fire them secondly, she has a boss at the white house. if you said that brought shame or disgrace to cnn. it is in all of our contracts, they can fire you. >> this is one of the rare times

where cnn has no part in this. >> i know for the purpose of the document. >> donald trump or the white house. that is the point. >> hang on. hang on. let me read you a statement today who came from former vice president biden. people have wondered when decency would hit rock bottom with this administration, it

>> if cnn does in fact, if a commentator or someone who works for cnn does something. they would fire them secondly, she has a boss at the white house. house to go and apologize for every single thing or anything that any staffer says. >> who does she work for? >> the american people. >> and the white house who is the immediate boss. >> you go straight to the source. she felt she should apologize and she did that to several people and it was the right thing to do. >> if cnn does in fact, if a commentator or someone who works for cnn does something.

they would fire them secondly, she has a boss at the white house. if you said that brought shame or disgrace to cnn. it is in all of our contracts, they can fire you. >> this is one of the rare times where cnn has no part in this. >> i know for the purpose of the document. >> donald trump or the white house. that is the point. >> hang on. hang on. let me read you a statement today who came from former vice president biden. people have wondered when decency would hit rock bottom with this administration, it happened yet. so is this rock bottom? >> i would happen it happened months before, two years ago when the "access hollywood" tape came out. and people voted for him anyway. it has been a slippery slope since then.

john, you hit the nail on the head. the reason why the white house would not apologize today, because if they did, that is an indictment of donald trump's comments which were almost as bad when he said he likes people that don't get captured. donald trump has never apologized for. that so i don't blame the mccain family for not wanting him at his funeral. >> the white house never apologizes period. and never says that anything was wrong or anything was inaccurate. and so i think that we, you know, if we anticipated that there might have been an apology

which i certainly did on her behalf since she had already done it to the family and said we are glad she did it et cetera, we were wrong and we have been wrong a lot because there is no apology. and again, i have to come back to the president and say, if he had wanted something to be said about this, sarah sanders would have done it. >> thanks so much. i really appreciate it. coming up john kelly made stunning remarks about immigrants at an npr interview. repeating ideas that has already been criticized. ewww! being in the know is very good. don't shake! ahhh! sign up online for free. discover social security alerts.

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white house chief of staff john kelly spent a remarkable amount of time talking about immigrants. he did say the majority of those who move illegally to the united states are not quote bad people. but then added this. >> they are also not people that would easily assimilate into the united states. overwhelmingly rural people in the countries they come from, fourth, fifth, sixth grade education are kind of the norm. >> if i remember my high school american history and i do, american in the midst of the 19-century and 20th century was built on immigrants. many of whom settled if boston where john kelly was born and signs in the store front read no irish need apply. and not to put too fine a point on, the national academy of scientists engineering and medicines report there is evidence that today's immigrant are learning english as fast or

faster than did the waves of immigrants who arrived in the america earlier in the 20th century. still john kelly wasn't through. >> the laws are the laws. >> yes, the laws are the laws. but according to the center for immigration studies, the vast majority of illegals of the united states are visa overstays not people crossing the border. these are not the first loaded comments that general kelly has made about immigrants. remember back in february on whether to extend daca, kelly said this. >> there are 690,000 official daca registrants. and the president sent over what amounts to be two and a halftimes that number to 1.8 million. the difference between 690001.8 million were the people that some would say were too afraid to sign up, or others would say were too lazy to get off their asses to get up. >> ana navarro and steve cortez. >> i wonder what goes through your mind when you hear these comments from john kelly.

>> a lot of things because i know john kelly. he was south com commander and served here in miami which a community who has been built my immigrants. and many who came here poorly educated and have made themselves americans and have assimilated and have built this great and vibrant american city. >> he seems to be saying these immigrants are coming to the country with too little education and too few skills. too little to contribute to american society. hasn't every wave coming in have been less educated and less skills and they get that

education, and get that skills and they build lives. >> first of all, happy birthday to general kelly, it is his birthday today. but we cannot conflate illegal immigration and legal immigration. we love legal immigrants. legal immigration is a treasure to this country. illegal immigration however is a scourge upon this country and general kelly is exactly rights when he talks about people who choose to break our laws and i thought he was magnanimous. he said most of them are not bad people. of course they are not. people who break our laws are going to have a worst result of people who go through the system and are vetted. tolerated illegal immigration is an affront to the people who do it right. it is expensive and time consuming and difficult to become an american.

the idea that you can hop the line and cut and cheat. >> i think that he said somethings that were substantial and it was a discussion on policy and that same interview he talked about tps and a path to citizenship and a duty that falls on congress to make the laws. whether illegal or legal like tps which covers undocumented immigrants and you tinge it with these remarks that talk about the ability of immigrants to

assimilate into this country. mind you, brown immigrants. he is not talking about norwegians. >> hold on. >> that is unfair. >> don't interrupt me. i don't like to be interrupt you. >> finish. >> let me finish my thought and you can say whatever you want. >> finish. >> do not raise your voice at me, boy. >> i am not a boy. but go ahead and finish. >> go ahead and finish ana, and then steve. >> i am a grown man. >> then act like one. >> go ahead ana. >> of course they are not talking about norwegians. they are talking about people that come south of the border. people who comes from shit-hole countries as this president likes to refer to it. building these demonizing. that is not the john kelly that i know and that i have known. >> steve? >> okay. so here we get to the crux of

it. what ana is doing, when they don't want to talk policy. they want to demonize and call us racist, here is the reality. this man john kelly, and his family have literally given their lives to the marine corps which is the service brand of choice for the hispanic americans.

the idea that he is racist is absurd. he has bled and served with hispanics and commanded them in battle. and the idea that he himself is racist is ridiculous. the idea that we decry illegal immigration is ridiculous. whether you come from norway or whether you are a banker from great britain who overstayed your visa or whether you are a brown person who swims across the rio grand, if you come here illegally, we have the right -- the love of our nation, the values which will add to this great american experience which is all about legal immigration and the best way to protect legal immigration is to finally secure our borders which this president and general kelly are doing. >> ana, quickly. >> i think we are coming to the end of this segment, and i think we should reflect on what america means and how it was built. it was built by immigrants. and some not immigrants, people came here not legally, but illegally, and came here in

shackles and property. people that are bound by a set of american values of patriotism and service to country and love of what america represents. and it is this diversity and wealth of experience that makes america so strong today. i am a proud american. >> thank you for being with us. >> thank you. they want to seize communication with roger stone and russia and wikileaks. sam nunberg joins us next. sam nunberg joins us next. i will ask if he will comply.

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the senate intelligence committee is asking sam nunberg to show up for a closed door interview and turn over his communication with roger stone. they have set a deadline of may 24. joining me now is sam nunberg. you are going, you are happy to go talk to them. >> yes. >> i guess my question is based on what is out there, the public information already out there about everything is there anything new that you have to

tell them? >> i don't think so. but i am glad that they are checking their i's here. i think the senate as opposed to the house has acted much more respectively. >> one of the issues that i think everything goes back to is that roger stone at one point told you that he had met with wikileaks. and when he told you that at the time you believed him. >> i had no reason not to believe him. and i asked him. i said does julian have anything new, wikileak have anything new on benghazi and he said no. and he said this publicly. he said no, it is going to involve the clinton foundation. if you look, wikileaks did not release anything involving. i have never spoken to roger about podesta's e-mail >> the fact that you had this conversation, you can see why

that is a big glaring blinky light. >> and once again, i think that it is good that i was called into the senate because i was put on a list by adam schiff in the house. yes, fine, i will go because in the interest of america if they don't find any direct collusion which may be there was, i don't believe there was. but if they don't find direct collusion between the trump campaign and the russians we should wine this up. >> caputo did set down with the special counsel and he left convinced that they are focused on the collusion. a lot of questions. and he says they have more information about the trump campaign. was that your experience?

>> so what happened between the voluntary and the grand jury. voluntary, they knew the answer, they want to test your veracity. in the voluntary, there was some insight by me given. when i went to the grand jury, there were things that i told them. they just want facts, facts, what i knew. >> given that caputo as of a few weeks says that the special counsel is focused on collusion. can you rule out the possibility that they didn't find anything. >> i don't know if any collusion at all and by the way, i don't know how we define collusion here too. is collusion that the trump campaign talked to julian assange? we don't know if there was collusion. i doubt that they did because vladimir putin would be too part to directly collude with the trump campaign. >> let me ask you something about your view. you just told the washington examiner you said if somebody's s stinks, somebody's s stinks. and the president's s stinks. can you explain to me in relatively terms what you mean when you say the president's s stinks. >> i think it was in the context, the inquiry was how do i compare rudy to what i did that day when i was talking

about my subpoena. and what i said in general was the one thing that wasn't right initially is that we said there was no reason, why on the right said there was no reason they had this special counsel. no reason that the special counsel, that mueller was appointed. and we had to because the president hosted the russians the day after he fired comey. >> let's assume that too. with that said, was there collusion between the campaign and the russians, i don't think so and i don't know of any. >> but you think there is reason to investigate. >> it doesn't mean that i want them then to start looking into michael cohen or anybody. >> let's talk about michael cohen.

you say about michael cohen that i think they need to be careful about what they say about michael cohen. michael holds the cards. >> the trump people do. >> the trump people have to be careful about michael cohen because he holds the cards and the leverage. what leverage? >> when i initially started working for donald trump, michael and i were adversaries and at the end we became friends and he was nice to me. my opinion is that i know michael wanted a job in the white house and he didn't get one. and if they are saying michael is not a lawyer for donald, nothing to us, like the president almost did in the "fox and friends" interview, that is a mistake. michael is under scrutiny because donald trump decided to have the russian in the oval office. >> what leverage does he have? >> i don't know exactly what he knows, but i am sure as the

judge said last week in the manafort case, they are going after michael's private business practice. and they are trying to put pressure on him to get information on donald trump. sater has already cooperated. donald's knee jerk reaction is to push people away and treat them like garbage, he needs to be careful what he does.

>> seems to me like you think people need to be worried. >> by the way, i think mueller is actually maybe doing a favor to the president by going outside and going after people like michael or manafort. >> great to have you here. thank you. after president trump berated kirstjen nielsen, reportedly ready to quit. the details when we continue. the homeland secretary

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only one candidate for governor when students were stuck in failing schools, led the fight to turn them around. as mayor of l.a., antonio villaraigosa invested in classrooms and security. graduation rates soared. antonio for governor. the homeland secretary nearly quit after president trump blew up at her in front of the entire cabinet. she drafted a resignation letter but did not hand it in. plenty in the cabinet have threatened to resign. randi kaye has the name and the detail. >> i have decided to recuse myself from any existing and future investigations of any matter relating in any way to the campaign of the president of

the united states. >> reporter: ever since he recused himself, he has been in hot water. sessions answer resign which he has reportedly wanted to do a number of times. >> he should not have recused himself. almost immediately after he took office. >> reporter: chief of staff john kelly offering at times to walk away especially after he came under fire for his handling of domestic abuse allegations against rob porter. though kelly, denies. >> i am in this for the long haul. >> reporter: health and human

services secretary tom price also left his job after he came under fire. >> i will tell you personally, i'm not happy about it. >> reporter: in his resignation letter, price wrote i regret the recent events have created a distraction from these important objectives. chief strategist steve bannon was forced to resign. he had given an interview stating. he didn't agree with the firing of fbi director james comey. later after bannon gave a bombshell interview. shulkin resigned along with reince priebus. -- that he called the president a moron. >> he said he never once thought of resigning and he supports the president as much today as he did the day he took his job. >> reporter: five months after that tillerson officially called it quits. among those who have threatened to be quit and still hanging on. james mattis and fbi director christopher wray. though the president denies it. >> he didn't at all. and he is going to do a good job. >> reporter: staffing changes in the fbi senior ranks. though today he is still ahead

of the fbi. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> growing calls for another member of the cabinet to resign. scott pruitt. the pricey dinner he had with a vatican official. earlier today a reporter asked the president about mr. pruitt. watch this. >> mr. president, do you have confidence in pruitt? >> yes i do. >> drew griffin investigates the controversy. special report pruitt under fire battle at the epa airs next hour. the vatican official, a climate change denier accused of sexual abuse. the next aid of pruit said they intentionally kept the event with the vatican cardinal off

his official schedule. earlier today a reporter asked the president about mr. pruit. watch this. he still has the support of the president. coming up, drew griffin investigates the controversy surround thing member of the cabinet and the cnn special report, "pruit enter fire, the battle at the epa" area next hour. stay with us, ahead is anderson's visit with anthony bourdain and the latest installments of "parts unknown." the new destination, new finland. on any one of thousands of risky sites, so you'll be in the know. ewww! being in the know is very good. don't shake! ahhh! sign up online for free. discover social security alerts.

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imagine what we can do for you. a busy friday news night. let's shift gears. anthony bourdain takes us to newfoundland. >> a beautiful lake. rustic cabins. a few friends can hunt and

forage and perhaps in between combing the wilds in search of the elusive moose, throw together a simple wilderness meal around the campfire. nothing fancy. just the bare essentials. >> anderson caught up with bourdain at a german restaurant on the upper east side where with the talk of food there was beer, a lot of beer. >> you go to newfoundland. which i have always wanted to go. i'm not sure i'm pronouncing it correctly. >> i had ten days of practice on scene. i was doing voiceover and i can't do it. it's newfoundland. >> newfoundland. >> we're going to get mail for this. it's now newfoundland, it's newfoundland. >> it looks incredibly beautiful. >> it is.

it's very different than -- it's one of the things cool about canada, it's big and it's -- >> i gotta say canada is really cool. i was just up in toronto. canadians with great. i like canada. >> my two closest friends in canada both crazy have been pushing newfoundland on me for a long time. saying it's an incredible area. >> did you hunt moose. no moose were hurt or killed to my dismay. it was hours of walking around and hiking and drizzle. >> did you see any? >> in the supermarket. moose is readily available. it's a staple of newfoundland cuisine. it's sparsely populated. wild. another hunting and gathering culture.

significantly the whole economy was until very recently built around cod and cod fish. cod is king up there. until recently when it was essentially a moratorium declared, it had been over fished. it looked like it would last forever. >> i don't think i can do that. >> i would be shocked if you found that yummy. dude, i like it. >> it's a little like hamburger meat. maybe not. >> more liver. >> actually, it's not. >> what happened is they declared a moratorium on cod fishing. that was the economy of newfoundland. they had to adapt and figure out new ways to live. fortunately, the restaurant culture is blowing up there. you are not getting up from the

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a white house aide makes an insensitive comment. the aide who said it called the senator's daughter to apologize. the white house today had multiple chances to do it, to condemn the comment, to apologize to senator mccain and his family but refused. refused to acknowledge it happened. the latest from the white house. what did sarah sanders say in the briefing when asked directly and repeatedly about the sadler comments?