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with aircraft windows. they believe the cause of the accidents have likely have very different explanations. >> of course the timing though scarey for anyone in the applying public. thank you rene. and thank you to all of you for joining us. thanks for joining us, we begin with breaking news. five days after the president announced the date and location of the summit. north korea is threatening to cancel it. it still may happen. but still a new dose of doubt tonight. north korea suspended talks with south korea. what it calls provocative military services. an exercise called max thunder involving the united states air
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force a force. north korea is calling the event deliberate provocation. the threat to call off the summit caught the white house off guard. >> kim jong-un had said previously that he understands the need and the utility of the united states and the republican of korea continuing in its joint exercises, exercises that are legal and planned well in advanced. we have not heard anything from that government or the government in south korea to indicate that we would not continue to conduct these exercises or not continue to plan for our meeting. >> so what was the reaction? how surprised was the reaction about today? >> yeah, apparently they were
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blind sided by this news from north korea that the regime planned to cancel talks and warnings that they may cancel all together the planned meetings. sources indicating that aides were completely caught off guard. one senior administration official telling us that the president found out through news reports. and perhaps this sort of show cases just how unexpected this news is. the idea that there was this recent momentum moving towards the summit. acts of good faith on both sides. president trump calling kim jong-un smart or gracious. or releasing the prisoners. it underscores something that we have heard including john bolton
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who pointed out. >> they issued a statement, the white house? >> reporter: they have. it took time. the communication shop was consulti consulting with the department of defense. sarah sanders writes we are aware of the south korean media report. the united states will look at what north korea has said independently and continue to coordinate closely with our allies. clear that the administration understands they have to walk a fine line if they want this summit to happen. president trump has been so brash with his language about north korea. he did have a chance to answer today. he returned here to the white
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house without answering our questions. joining us is admiral kirby. >> well, first we of to admit that we don't know what is in his mind. and we have to caveat everything by not having perfect knowledge. i don't think it will torpedo the summit. i think this was a way for him to protest at exercises without doing so in a way that puts the summit in great risk. pretty bellicose about the south and not so bellicose about the united states. i think it was a way for him to get on record that he doesn't like the exercises but not do it in a way that takes everything down with it. >> does it make sense that this is happening over military exercises that happen every year and kim jong-un seemingly seemed
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flexible about earlier this year. >> great question. what he didn't do was fire off a bunch of missiles. last year, he launched six or seven missiles into the ocean and was very bellicose in his rhetoric. he hasn't done that. this exercise just started. but we have been exercising and there has been no reaction. and he released three americans in the midst of these exercises. so we have to keep it in perspective of what he is not doing. >> north korea says the exercises are ruining the diplomatic move. i'm not sure what that means. >> i don't either. this is typical of them. something they have done before and they reacted harshly. i don't know what he means about that in terms of mood. and clearly what he is trying to say is that the exercises which
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are designed in his mind to threaten him are not in keeping with the spirit of dip pllomacyd moving towards piece. he used the united states as an existential threat. to exercising american capabilities on the other side of the border, you can understand where he is coming from. >> it is interesting the idea that the administration was caught off guard by this. it does give you a sense of there it is not like there is a hot phone between the president and kim jong-un as there was during the cold war and the soviet. >> yes, but, pompeo has now start to develop relationships and one of the advantages of summits and negotiations such as we learned with iran, is that you can open up back channels of communications. there were channels for them to use here to protest. doing it in a press release was
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more of a bit of showmanship. and make it go clear he is not going to this summit with anything more than being clear eyed. >> thank you very much. joining us is thomas freedman. author of the book thank you for being late. with north korea warning the u.s. over the fate of the summit, should anyone be surprised the road to the summit is not going to be an easy one. >> you think how many times have they sold this carpet of denucle denuclearization? one would be shocked if this hadn't happened. and one would be bowled over if they agreed to a verifiable denuclearization plan.
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they have sold this carpet at least three times before. >> we have seen this time and time again with the north koreans. what do you think their calculus is? >> it is hard to know. they are feeling some pressure and if there is one meeting in the world, i would have loved to have been a fly on the wall on it would be the meeting between the president of china and kim jong-un, the leader of north korea. two meetings in the last month. and you have to wonder what xi jinping saying? you are n-- so the chinese haved emotions on this. they like the americans out but at the same time they do not want a unified korea.
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>> i'm wondering what the calculus of kim jong-un is or what their opinion is when they look at the united states. you see president trump withdrawing from the iran agreement, tpe and making bellicose statements which a lot of people credit for getting kim jong-un to the table and how do you see that? >> he can draw one of two conclusions. the iranians struck a nuclear deal with him and the guy welched on it. what is going to happen to me? i better be doubly careful. that is one direction he could go. the other is he has been watching trump on china trade. trump tweeted we have to worry about jobs in china now. and violate in a bad way our trade expert laws. send the equipment to north korea and iran.
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he might think trump is a chump and if i get in a room with him he will hungry for a deal to make history and panting for a nobel prize, maybe i can outmaneuver him. kim jong-un and donald trump negotiating in singapore, what could go wrong? >> it is kind of a stunning when you consider just how much kind of the visual of this is important to north korea. this is something that they have wanted to be one-on-one with the president of the united states. for them, that is a great victory whether or not anything comes out of it and i guess president trump likes a big show and that big presentation gets something out of it even if you know, the details that are later worked out don't pan out. >> the difference is kim jong-un can completely control the spin on the story when he goes back
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to north korea. donald trump can't. and if donald trump comes back empty-handed, i think he would be eviscerated by not only his opponents but some of his allies. >> even if there is quote-unquote agreement after the meeting between the two men, the details have to be worked out over weeks and weeks with lots and lots of people and moving parts. >> can you imagine the verification, think about the verification regime we put in place in teheran. how complicated it was. a physicist to work out and oversee the fine grain details of that. imagine what you need in north korea an even less transparent company. calling kim jong-un honorable. >> he is building him up.
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building up his ego. and trump softens that. wonderful thing for the world, great for america. and donald trump would deserve a nobel prize for that. one has to be skeptical given as i said how many times the north koreans have sold that carpet. the north kor"new york time investigati investigati investigating cambridge analytica. significant development details on that ahead. at t-mobile, we don't just see uniforms. we see the people behind them. so we're committed to helping veterans
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prosecutors and an fbi agent went to london earlier this month to question at least one witness possibly more and look, that speaks to a significant investigation. prosecutors are not brought in for fishing expeditions. people have been told, all they have been told is there is an open investigation involving cambridge analytica and associated u.s. persons. >> is it clear to you what the focus of the investigation is? i mean, what is the allegation? >> that is the thing, so officially, the justice department and fbi won't comment. given the people involved and the fact they also reached out to banks. they seem to be looking at financial issues. the cyber kind of component
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would be allegations of hacking and of course the harvesting of data and the use of the data and how they obtain data from facebook and how they use it. and this runs parallel of another investigation going on in britain which is looking into hacking and looking into destruction of evidence. and a whole range of kind of issues. >> now, is this connected to the mueller probe at all? >> that is not clear to us. we know that mueller, people from mueller's team questions people from cambridge analytica. exactly what the relationship is, and if there is any is not clear right now. >> and i understand they contacted facebook as well. >> they have and the people we have spoken to and facebook don't appear to be targets of the investigation. they are potential witnesses. it would be natural to contact
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facebook, the data was taken from them. >> the company did work for the trump campaign and other republican candidates, do you know if the investigation touches either the trump campaign or any campaign at all. >> that is also a big question here. the u.s. people that owned the company, you know, these guys have tremendous influence in republican politics. and any investigation for the company is, they are going to be drawn into it. >> the bottom line in this hour and as you said, rightly, there is a lot to be learned. the bottom line is cambridge analytica is not out of the woods yet. >> not even close. this is a beginning of an investigation. prosecutors flying to other countries to investigate people. you can shut yourself down and say we can't do business as a result of what has happened to
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us, but you still have to the law. a bank fraud trial was ruled that it can proceed. we are talking this is a different federal judge has ruled on this today than the one in virginia. the judge said a parallel investigation wasn't the point. cnn sara murray has more details. what the judge's reasoning for this ruling today. >> manafort is trying to case that mueller is overstepping. and these are to do with financial crimes before manafort worked for the campaign. the judge was not impressed with the argument. we know that manafort had ties to russia and did lobbying work.
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she wrote the special counsel would have been remiss to ignore an obvious potential link between the trump campaign and the russian government. that is a taste of how strong her ruling was. as for manafort, still maintaining his innocence. looks forward to prevailing in this matter. and this is just one of the courts wore manafort is arguing. >> the other judge earlier this month questioning mueller's authority to bring these charges. two different courtrooms playing out. >> that's right. earlier this month manafort was making a similar argument in verge virn virginia. and in this case, the judge seemed much more sympathetic to
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his argument. going to prosecutors saying look, i think you guys are using this to go after president trump. to try to impeach him. i don't think you care about these charges. and we think this is all about getting after trump. the judge has not made a ruling yet but starkly different tones in these two different courts. >> thank you very much. joining me now is jeffrey toobin. can you explain to me why two courts. >> the mueller office brought two cases charging manafort. similar but different crimes. >> why bring them in different cases? >> it is not clear to me. it is odd. i think some of it has to do with the law of venue about where the crime took place. you can't bring a charge in a jurisdiction where the crime didn't take place and that seems to be it. although venue is something that
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prosecutors can be a little flexible about. but manafort made the same motion to dismiss each of the cases saying mueller doesn't have the authority to bring this case. in the argument of the virginia case, the judge said a lot of things that were unsympathetic to mueller and sympathetic to manafort. and didn't make a ruling but made noises that were sympathetic to manafort. today, the judge in washington, she said this case is fine to proceed to trial. that ruling is not binding on virginia. but will be read by the judge in virginia and it is unusual to have judges in identical issues come up with opposite conclusions. the mueller's office has to be pleased about the d.c. ruling.
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>> the bottom line on the d.c. trial is it is going to trial. is there a time line on that? >> it is currently scheduled for the summer. but you know, those tend, once there is a trial date, the judges tend to be sympathetic to defense request to delay it. also the possibility one or both parties saying this shouldn't go on during the campaign. >> the virginia court as well goes along with what the d.c. court said, will it continue to battle in two courts? >> absolutely. >> will both trials run con currently? >> no. it under lines how difficult manafort's situation is. to pay lawyers in two separate trials and the real message is that it increases the pressure
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for manafort to plead guilty and cooperate. that is the end result the mueller team wants. >> which in fact you are agreeing with the judge in virginia, the truth is getting him to -- >> it is odd. she did say you are trying to get him to flip. that is why prosecutors bring cases all the time. they don't do it in other countries necessarily, but our system is geared towards flipping people and trying to get them to cooperate. judge jackson in d.c. says that is how things go. >> thanks very much. multiple republican senators calling for a public apology for a white house aide's comment. either from her or the white house. keeping them honest next. ♪ ♪
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another day gone by without the white house apologizing. white house -- didn't matter because he is quote dying anyway. the senator is at home battling brain cancer. there was a meeting today. and no one spoke about mccain and the need for an apology for the president. >> no. >> no, the issue didn't come. >> senator john kennedy said the
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president talked for 45 minutes on quite an array of topics. a source told cnn that she had promised meghan mccain that she would do so but has not. one that no one decided to broach with the president today. here is senator susan collins. >> the comment was denigrating. the best way for this to be put to rest and it should have happened immediately would have been for the white house to issue a public apology to the entire mccain family.
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>> trump should too, the president himself? >> i think it would be helpful if the president made clear that those kinds of comments are not acceptable rather than criticizing the leaker. >> and this came from senator jeff flake. >> i don't understand it. why not apologize and move on. i am sure if he asked her to apologize shel would. >> senator mitch mcconnell. here he is today. >> [ inaudible ]. >> well, the person who said
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that, should apologize and should apologize publicly. >> so all three of those senators agree she should apologize. crossing this president is not something republicans are willing to do. joining me now is tony schwartz who wrote the art of the deal with mr. trump. thanks for being with us. >> we know president trump does not apologize. the "access hollywood" tape is the only evidence of it. he certainly doesn't issue public apologies. it seems like that filters down throughout the white house. that message. >> i would imagine that he didn't want saddler to apologize and it would reflect on him.
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>> and viewed as weakness? without question. if you apologize you are wrong. if your world view is it is black or white or good or bad, if you are not good, you are bad. >> you win or lose. >> all of these, then you only have one choice if you want to end up feeling that you are good. and that is the circumstances trump always finds himself in because to admit and acknowledge whether it is him or anybody that works for him that might reflect on him to do something wrong is to admit he is bad. that is his internal view of it. >> his idea of strength is so cookie cutter, almost cartoonish how he defines strength. part of that is never admitting you are wrong. >> i don't think it is a
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calculation or analysis or opinion. i think it is an impulse or an instinct that emotionally, psychologically he is incapable of it. >> did you ever hear him apologize for something? >> no. and it would stun me if he had. it is 30 years later and it is possible that he, no, i would be pretty confident that he never did. his father didn't apologize. >> his father didn't? >> no. his father was a black and white guy and he was if a mold of a roy cohn. he was clearly a mentor. his attitude was never apologize for anything. and trump followed from his
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father to roy cohn to himself. >> are you saying that trump learned from roy cohn, either from involvement. because he was all about attack, attack. yeah, yes, i do think he learned at his knee if you will. and at his father's knee and the difference between roy cohn's attack, and donald trump's and this is by no means to defend roy cohn, is that he is a bright guy. and he did everything in highly calculated way. >> it was thought out and planned. >> absolutely. he figured out what worked and well-educated and just plain smart. and he made those choices. what he lacked as trump lacks was any underlying set of values or principals. he was unimpeded by guilt or
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shame. >> it is reactive. almost as if i could imagine the hollywood access tape, oh, they want to pull my teeth with no n anesthetic. >> the times reported that raising the idea to friends of his maybe it was not his voice on the "access hollywood" tape. >> so interesting that wonderful writer named jonathan hague who has been on the show, and writes about morality. and what he says and i agree is that the impulse comes up. he calls it the elephant. the writer -- rider is the more
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dominant part of the brain. the impulse comes out. and the brain rationalizes what the rider. >> and again to me, if somebody on the staff then apologizes, he would view that person as weak? >> it is not own that he views that person as weak, there is no question. and everybody in trump's mine is weak or strong or rich or poor or tough or wimpy. but also that person is always reflecting on him because the only person trump sees at any given moment truly is himself. so in this case if there would be an apology, it would be for
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annual peace officer memorial today. took pains to point out violent death of a border patrol officer. >> agent martinez took immense pride and joy in serving his country as a border patrol agent. extremely proud of what he did. every day he would go to work and risk his life to keep america safe. he bravely confronted the cartels, the smugglers, the human traffickers, the gangs that threaten our communities. one night last november, agent martinez died in the line of duty. it was horrific. it was violent. and he was brave.
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>> well agent martinez did risk his life every single day and did day in the line of duty. exactly what happened is still unclear. >> reporter: in the darkness of a west texas night last november, border patrol agents were found severely injured in a culvert while patrolling an area in a remote town of van horn close to the mexico border. martinez suffered head injuries and died hours later. garland survived but didn't remember what happened. agents with the national border patrol counsel, the union claimed there were agents savagely attacked. >> they didn't get clipped by a truck or a car, they were attacked. >> reporter: texas republicans
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pushed the story even harder. the governor and senator ted cruz also described the incident as an attack. and president trump used the moment to push for a border wall. >> we lost a patrol officer just yesterday. and another one was brute tally beaten and badly, badly hurt. and we talked about the wall, with he a we are going to have the wall. we need it. >> reporter: the problem with the story is federal investigators don't believe they were attacked at all and it appears to be some sort of culvert. if they fell off of this and into the bottom here, it is about a ten-foot drop into a cement bottom. three months ago, cnn obtained an internal border patrol memo
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saying even though it is not clear what happened that night, no evidence of the crime. agents did not have defensive wounds and only footsteps at the scene belonged to agents and first responders. >> everybody, they reassure me they are going to get to the truth. they are going to get the to truth. but i mean, here we are, weeks later and there are still no answers. >> reporter: with no clear answers, martinez's fiance says the details are confusing. with no explanation of what happened that night. >> horrible to what happened to both of these officers. is the investigation ongoing, is there going to be an answer? >> reporter: it is still ongoing, but the latest information we have has pointed to this being some kind of
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accident. however, investigators haven't been able to clearly pinpoint exactly what happened. whether it was a passing car or freak accident that happened out there in that remote area. but they have said all along, they don't believe there was anything out there at that scene that indicated any kind of foul play. >> appreciate that. continue to follow it. an update on first lady melania trump is doing. also, schedule for the father of meg meg meghan markle just days ahead she is going to marry. sometimes fans cheer for those who wear a different uniform. no matter where or when you served, t-mobile stands ready to serve you.
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the first lady's office says she is in good spirits. our chief correspondent sanjay gupta joins me with more. sanjay, the fact that the first lady is staying in the hospital for another few days, does that tell us anything? >> that's the big question, anderson. i talked to doctors who perform this procedure pretty regularly, i even looked at the data of how long people typically stay in after this emboliization. some stay an extra day if they're worried about pain or some other problem, but to stay four days or so, which it sounds like she'll be maybe staying, it's just unusual. i just don't know what to make of it. i'm not hearing anything more from her office. it could be out of an abundance from caution. >> how is a procedure different from a surgery? >> people use these terms
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interchangeably and terms do matter here. a surgery is basically when you make an incision in the skin and you're actually going and examining, in this case, the kidney or an organ directly. with this procedure it's really kind of like a large i.v., anderson, that goes into a blood vessel and then a catheter is basically threaded to the area right around the kidney. and through that catheter is where this emb orolization take place. >> so when the first lady leaves the hospital, do you know what the recuperation process is like? >> given that most patients go home the same day, when she leaves in a couple days from now, my guess is she'll be feeling fine, up walking around, taking care of herself, no problems. there may be a little bit of soreness, still, sometimes from the procedure, but that's the type of soreness that is controlled just with some ibuprofen or some advil or something like that. >> sanjay, thank you very much. we wish you the best.
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a surprise medical procedure that is reportedly expected tomorrow morning for meghan markle's father. he will undergo heart surgery to repair a blockage and put in a stent. this is what will, in fact, keep him from walking his daughter down the aisle at windsor castle when she marries prince harry. max foster joins us with the latest. max, what do we know about the procedure that meghan markle's father is expected to have this week? >> reporter: this is what he told tmz. the doctors will go in, repair the blockage, repair damage and put a stent in where it's needed. clearly he won't be able to go to windsor to attend the wedding. we're back basically where we were last night. he is not now coming to the wedding, even though we heard earlier he may do that. >> there are all kinds of
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narratives about why he won't be attending the wedding. according to tmz, it is for this health reason. >> reporter: it is. the problem he's created for himself here is, you know, yesterday when you and i were talking, what i was told, and i believe this to be true, meghan markle was desperately upset that her father said he wouldn't be able to come to the wedding. so harry, as is his way, started blaming himself a bit for this. he feels that all of this pressure he's put on meghan because of his profile caused all of this pain within the family. so he sent his people out to speak to correspondents like myself to try to send the message out to the media that they need to give thomas markle a break. then we have the situation he's gone back to tmz and said, i've changed my mind, i am going to the wedding, and then again he's not going to the wedding. i think frankly they've run out
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of patience for him. there is sympathy for his medical condition and the pressure he's under, but he keeps fueling the media machine. >> so do we know who is going to walk the bride down the aisle, because her father was supposed to, last i had heard? >> reporter: a very good question. i'm in windsor. i've been here all week. here there is a great deal of excitement about the wedding. they want to see the fairy tale unfold in the castle behind me. they have a lot of sympathy for what meghan markle is going through right now with just days to go before her wedding. it's been thrown into chaos and she obviously is very upset by it. she has to decide who is walking her down the aisle. a lot of people are talking about her mother possibly doing that. other people suggesting that it might be one of prince harry's friends who is also friends with meghan. some suggested it could be prince william. possibly she could go the scandinavian route here, because
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if this happens in scandinavia, then the bride and groom will go down the aisle together. it's a big question for her. it's quite unsettling for her. then there's the question of who will give the speech on her behalf at the reception as well. i get the impression now that she's doing that speech. she will take control of that which might free up her mother to prepare for taking her down the aisle. >> max foster, thank you very much. appreciate it. we'll be traveling to england for the wedding of prince harry and meghan markle. we'll start their special day at 4:00 a.m., so set your alarms. up next, north korea threatens to pull out of the summit with south korea.
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