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now more businesses in more places can afford to dream gig. comcast, building america's largest gig-speed network. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news. just five days after the president announced on twitter the date and location for his summit with north korean dictator kim jong-un, north korea is threatening to cancel it. now, the summit still may happen june 12th in singapore, as the president announced just days ago, but there is certainly a new dose of doubt tonight. north korea suspended talks with south korea and says that the united states should carefully consider the fate of the summit because of what it calls provocative military disturbances with south korea. they're referring to a joint military drill conducted by south korea and the u.s., an exercise called max thunder involving the united states air force and south korean forces with about 2,000 troops participating, according to the department of defense.
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now, north korea is calling the drill a, quote, deliberate provocation. north korea's threat to call off the summit caught the white house certainly off guard today, according to aides. state department spokesperson heather nauert took the podium for a briefing just as the reports were coming in. >> kim jong-un said previously he understands the need of the military and the united states and the republican of korea continuing in its joint exercises. they are planned well in advance. we have not heard anything from that government or the government of south korea to indicate that we would not continue conducting these exercises or that we would not continue planning for our meeting between president trump and kim jong-un next month. >> so, a surprise at the state department and at the white house, boris sanchez joins us tonight. what was the reaction? how surprised was the white house about this announcement today? >> reporter: hey, there, anderson. yeah, apparently they were
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blindsided by this news from north korea that the regime planned to cancel talks with south korea and that warning from the north koreans that they may cancel altogether the planned meeting with president donald trump in singapore, about a month from now. sources indicating that aides were completely caught off guard. one senior administration official actually telling us that the president found out about this development through news reports, that they didn't hear this directly from pyongyang or even from seoul, and this show cases how unexpected this news was, that there had been recent momentum, president trump calling kim jong-un smart and gracious or kim jong-un releasing those american prisoners and allowing the return to the united states last week. it really underscores something that we've heard from critics and skeptics within the administration, including national security adviser john bolton, who over the weekend pointed out the history here.
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the fact that there have been previous deals made with north korea before, that they ultimately violated. >> they now issued a statement, correct? the white house? >> reporter: they have. it took some time, frankly. apparently the communications shop was consulting with the department of defense, as well as with national security council. ultimately, here's the statement put out by press secretary sarah sanders. she writes, quote, we are aware of the south korean media report. the united states will look at what the north korean -- or rather, what north korea has said independently and continue to coordinate closely with our allies. clear here that the administration understands they have to walk a very fine line, if they still want this summit to happen. also notable, because president trump has been so brash, going back several months in his language about north korea. he did have a chance, multiple chances to answer reporters' questions today, as he went to visit with the first lady. at walter reed medical center after she underwent a successful operation here yesterday. he returned here to the white house answering our questions.
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>> boris, thank you so much. joining us now, retired rear admiral john kirby who served as the spokesman for the pentagon and state department during the obama administration. i'm wondering, admiral, how big a deal is this? could it be a bit of brinksmanship? north korea trying to improve their negotiating power? >> first, we have to admit that we don't actually know what's in kim's mind. we have to caveat everything by not having perfect knowledge and intelligence of what he's trying to do. i do not think this will torpedo the summit. i don't think it was intended to. i was talking to korea experts myself that this was a way for him to protest the exercises without doing so in a way that actually puts the summit at great risk. and he can punish south korea, which he did, by canceling the meeting. and if you look at the language in that statement, it's pretty bellicose about the south. not so bellicose about the united states. so i think this was a way for him to get on record that he doesn't like these exercises, but not do it in a way that really takes everything down with it. >> does it make sense to you that this is happening ostensibly over military exercises that happen every year, and ones that kim jong-un
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seemingly seems flexible about earlier this year. >> anderson, great question. we have to look at not just what he did today, but what he didn't do. he didn't fire off a bunch of missiles. last year at this time when he did these two exercises, he launched six or seven missiles into the ocean. and was correspondently, very bellicose in his rhetoric. he hasn't done that. we've been doing full eagle now for over a month. this exercise just started but we've been exexercising. and in that he released three americans. so we have to keep it in perspective, what he's not doing. and that's why i don't think he's really trying to torpedo this summit. >> north korea says that the exercises are ruining the diplomatic mood. i'm not sure how one gauges that, but i'm not even sure really what that means. >> yeah, me either. again, this is typical for them. this is something that they've done before and they've, you know, reacted harshly. i don't know what he means by that in terms of mood. clearly, what he's trying to say is that the exercises, which are
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designed in his mind to threaten him, are not in keeping with the spirit of diplomacy and moving towards peace. and look, i mean, if you look at it from his perspective, you can kind of see. he views the united states as an existential threat. so exercising american capabilities on the other side of the border, you can understand where he's coming from. we know that they're defensive in nature. but again, i don't think he's trying to ratchet it up too high. >> it's also interesting the idea that the administration was caught off guard by this. it does give you a sense of the -- you know, it's not like there's a hot phone between the president and kim jong-un, as there was during the cold war and the soviet union. >> yes, but. and i agree with you 100%, but pompeo has now started to develop relationships. and one of the advantages of summits and negotiations, such as we learned with iran, is you can open up back channels of communication. so there were channels that could have been used here for them to protest things. that's why i think doing it in a press release the way they did was really meant more -- a bit of brinksmanship, a bit of
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showmanship, slapping south korea around and making it clear he's not going into this summit anything other than clear-eyed. >> admiral kirby, thanks very much. as we noted, being unpredictable is absolutely nothing new when it comes to north korea. joining us now, thomas friedman, author of the book, "thank you for being late," i spoke to him just before the broadcast. >> tom, with north korea warning the u.s. over the fate of the summit, should anybody really be surprised that the road to this summit is not going to be an easy one? >> you know, anderson, when you think about north korea, you think, how many times have they sold this carpet of denuclearization? at least to three different presidents, i believe. so, one would have been shocked if this hadn't happened. one would even be more shocked if the deal comes off, and one will be truly bowled over if they actually agree to a verifiable denuclearization plan. i've just never known where the bottom of the story was, but i keep coming back to the fact, they have sold this carpet at least three times before.
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>> yeah, we have seen this time and time again with the north koreans. what do you think their calculus is? >> you know, it's really hard to know. they clearly are feeling some pressure. if there is one meeting, anderson, in the world, i would have loved to have been a fly on the wall on, it would have been the meeting between xi jinping, the president of china, and kim jong-un, the leader of north korea. they had two meetings now in the last month. and you really have to wonder, what was xi jinping saying to him? was he saying, hey, you've got to denuclearize, or was he saying, you know, president of north korea, we love korea so much, we always wanted there to be two of them. you're not going to do anything crazy, are you, like denuclearize and merge with the south? so the chinese, i think, have very mixed emotions on this. they want the americans out, but they do not want a unified korea on their peninsula. as we felt about germany during
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the cold war, china feels about korea. they love them so much, they want there to be two of them. >> and what's their opinion when they look at the united states, obviously, you see president trump withdrawing from the iran agreement, tpp, obviously making very bellicose statements, which a lot of people credit for getting kim jong-un to the table. how do you see that? >> i would say you can draw one of two conclusions. one is, my god, the iranians struck a nuclear deal with him and the guy welched on it. what's going to happen to me? i better be doubly careful. that's one direction he could go. the other is if he's been watching trump on china trade, the fact that trump, you know, just over the weekend, on his own, tweeted that we have to worry about jobs in china now and we have to not sanction this chinese company that violated in a really bad way our trade export laws, sending equipment to, i believe, north korea and iran.
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he might think trump's a chump and that if i get in a room with him, he'll be so hungry for a deal to make history, he'll be so panting for a nobel prize, maybe i can outmaneuver him. think about it, really, anderson. kim jong-un and donald trump negotiating in singapore. what could go wrong? >> it is kind of stunning when you consider just how much kind of the visual of this is important to north korea. just the -- to be -- this is something that they have always wanted, to be one on one with the president of the united states. so for them, that's a great victory. whether or not anything comes out of it. and i guess president trump certainly likes a big show, who likes that big presentation, gets something out of it, even if, you know, the details that later are worked out don't really pan out. >> here's the difference. kim jong-un can completely control the spin on the story when he goes back to north korea.
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ain't no cnn there. donald trump can't. and if donald trump comes back empty-handed, i think he would be eviscerated. not only by his opponents, but by some of his allies in the republican party. >> but even if there's a quote/unquote agreement after a day or two days' of meetings between the two men, the details on something like that, that has to be worked out over weeks and weeks, with lots and lots of people and moving parts. >> can you imagine the verification -- well, just think about the verification regime we put in place in tehran, how complicated that was. how many months it took for our secretary of energy at the time, a physicist, to work out and oversee the fine-grain details of that so there could be no cheating. imagine what you would need in north korea, an even less transparent country. >> it's also startling to hear the president of the united states call kim jong-un honorable. >> that doesn't bother me so
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much, anderson. he's building up his ego, probably comes out of some cia report, how to soften him up. and trump can be very good at that. if he could somehow maneuver him into giving up his nuclear weapons in a verifiable way, that would be a wonderful thing. wonderful thing for the world, great for america, and donald trump would deserve a nobel prize for that. i'm all for it. but just, one has to really be skeptical, given, as i've said, how many times the north korea has sold that carpet. >> we're going to have more of my talk with tom friedman in my next hour. first, more breaking news. "the new york times" just now reporting that both the justice department and the fbi are investigating cambridge analytica, that now-defunct political data firm that was accused of misusing the personal data from millions of facebook users. i'll talk to one of the reporters from "the times" that broke the story. plus, a federal judge rules that the special counsel's case against former trump campaign manager paul manafort can proceed. a significant development. details on that ahead. oh. hey mom. now that we have your attention... capri sun has four updated drinks.
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we have breaking news from the "new york times" tonight. it is reporting that both the justice department and the fbi are investigating the now-defunct political data firm, cambridge analytica. now, you'll remember, the company worked both for president trump's election campaign as well as other republican candidates in 2016 it has come under fire for allegedly misusing the facebook data of millions of users. matthew rosenberg shares the byline on the story and joins me now on the phone. so talk to me about what you've learned about this investigation. >> it looks like it's in its early stages. we know that at least two doj
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prosecutors who specialize in financial fraud and an fbi agent, who we believe, deals in cyber crimes, went to london earlier this month to question at least one witness, possibly more. and look, that speaks to a significant investigation. prosecutors are not brought in for fishing expeditions. they're brought in to possibly build cases. people who have been questioned or contacted have been told -- all they've been told is that there's an open investigation involving cambridge analytica and associated u.s. persons, as they put it. they're not clear on who exactly that is. >> is it clear to you what the focus of the investigation is? what is the -- what's the allegation? >> i mean, that's the thing. so officially, the justice department and the fbi just won't comment. given the people involved and the fact they've also reached out to banks that did business with cambridge analytica, they seem to be looking to some financial issues. the cyber kind of component
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would possibly -- there have been allegations of hacking and there is, of course, the harvesting of data, the use of the data, of how they obtained data from facebook and how they used it. and this kind of runs parallel to another investigation that's going on in britain by their national crime agency, which is looking into hacking, looking into destruction of evidence. and a whole range of kind of issues. >> now, is this connected to the mueller probe, at all? >> that's not clear to us. we know that mueller's -- people from mueller's team questioned two cambridge analytica executives in december. we don't know what went beyond that. mueller's team is obviously pretty tight-lipped. and exactly what the relationship here, if there is any, just isn't clear right now. >> and i understand the investigators have contacted facebook as well? >> they have. and look, i want to be clear. the people we've spoken to and facebook don't appear to be targets of this investigation. these are potential witnesses. it would be natural to be in touch with facebook. the data was taken from them and
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they would know a lot about it and have a lot to provide and possibly add there. >> and in the introduction to you, we mentioned they did work for the trump campaign and other republican candidates. do we know if the investigation touches either the trump campaign or any campaign at all? >> that's also, you know, one of the big questions here. look, the company was owned. the u.s. people who own the company were robert mercer and his daughter, rebecca. its vice president was steven k. bannon. you know, these guys have tremendous influence in republican politics and any investigation for the company is -- they are going to be drawn into it. >> so kind of the bottom line in this hour, and as you said, rightly, there's a lot that's still to be learned. the bottom line is that cambridge analytica is certainly not out of the woods yet? >> not even close. i mean, this is the beginning of an investigation. there are prosecutors flying to other countries to question people. it just seems, you know, you can shut yourself down, and you can say, we can't do business because of all of the bad reputational things that have
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happened to us, but you're still going to have to contend with the law. >> matthew rosenberg, appreciate it. more breaking news, a federal judge in the district of columbia has just ruled the bank fraud trial against paul manafort, president trump's former campaign manager, can proceed. now, that case, of course, brought by the special counsel, robert mueller, a different -- this is a different federal judge has ruled on this today, than the one in virginia, who had assailed the mueller investigation earlier this month. judge t.s. ellis said a parallel bank fraud case against manafort wasn't really the point. the charges, he said, were really aimed at the prosecution or impeachment of the president. cnn's sara murray now has more details. so what was the judge's reasoning for this ruling today? >> reporter: look, manafort is basically trying to make the case that mueller has overstepped his authority, that he shouldn't be bringing these charges against manafort. and these are to do with financial crimes before manafort was working for the campaign. and the judge was not at all impressed by this argument. she pointed out, look, we know that paul manafort was in the upper ranks of the campaign. we know that he has ties to russians. we know that he did lobbying work on behalf of ukrainian politicians.
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and so, in part of her opinion today, she wrote that the special counsel would have been remiss to ignore such an obvious potential link between the trump campaign and the russian government. that's just a team usa of sort of how strong her ruling was. as for paul manafort, he's still maintaining his innocence in all of these charges. a spokesman for paul manafort put out a statement today saying paul manafort maintains his innocence and looks forward to prevailing in this matter. and as you pointed out, this is just one of the courts where manafort is arguing. >> so explain that, because it is a little bit confusing, as i talked about. the ruling comes on the heels of the other judge earlier this month questioning mueller's authority to bring these charges. so there's two different courtrooms going on? >> reporter: that's right. there are two different courtrooms where this sort of theater is playing out. this one was in d.c. and previously earlier this month, manafort was making a similar argument in virginia, again saying that mueller has overstepped his authority. and in this case, the judge seemed much more sympathetic to manafort's argument, essentially going to prosecutors and saying,
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look, i think that you guys are just using this to go after president trump, potentially to try to impeach him. i don't think you really care that paul manafort committed bank fraud, if that -- if that's what you're alleging here. i don't think you really care about these charges. we think this is all about getting after trump. now, it's important to note that the judge in this case has not made a ruling yet, but there are starkly different tones in these two different courts where manafort is trying to argue his case. >> yeah, thanks very much. appreciate it. joining me now to talk about it, cnn chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. can you explain to me why two courts? i know this is stupid, but why? >> it's a very unusual situation. the mueller probe has brought to -- two cases against manafort, charging similar, but not identical crimes. >> one in virginia, one in d.c. why bring them in different places? >> it's not clear to me. it's odd. i think some of it has to do with the law of venue, about where the crimes took place. you can't bring a charge in a jurisdiction where the crime didn't take place. that seems to be it. although venue is sometimes
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something prosecutors can be a little flexible about. but manafort made essentially the same motion to dismiss each of the cases. one in virginia, one in d.c. saying, mueller doesn't have the authority to bring this case. in the argument of the virginia case, the judge said a lot of things that were unsympathetic to mueller and sympathetic to manafort. didn't make a ruling, but made noises that were sympathetic to manafort. today, the judge in washington, judge jackson, she said, this case is fine to proceed to trial. completely rejected all of manafort's arguments. that ruling is not binding on virginia, but it certainly will be read by the judge in virginia. and it is unusual to have judges in identical issues come up with opposite conclusions. so i think the mueller office has to be not only pleased about the d.c. ruling, but -- >> whatever the impact --
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>> -- the effect on virginia as well. >> so the bottom line, at least on the d.c. trial is, it's going to trial. >> right. >> is there a timeline on that? >> it's currently scheduled for this summer, but i -- you know, those tend to, once there's a trial date, the judges tend to sometimes be sympathetic to defense requests to delay it. there's also the possibility of one or both parties saying, this shouldn't go on during the campaign. >> so if the -- if the virginia court, as well, goes along with what the d.c. court said, is it possible for manafort to be battling -- will it continue to battle in two courts? >> absolutely. >> can both trials run concurrently? >> no, they can't run concurrently. the judges have to coordinate their schedules, given the same person, the same lawyers can't appear in both trials. but it just underlines how difficult manafort's situation is. to pay lawyers for two sets of trials, both of which are complicated. and i think the real message of today is that it really increases the pressure on manafort to plead guilty and
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cooperate. that's the real, you know, i think, end result the mueller team wants. sure, they'll try this case if they have to. >> which, in fact, you're agreeing with what the judge in virginia is saying, which is the truth of this, it's not really these charges, it's getting him to flip? >> that's right. but what was so odd about what judge ellis said in virginia, which he did say, you know, you're just trying to get him to flip, that's why prosecutors bring cases all the time. >> that's what prosecutors do. >> that's what prosecutors do in the united states. they don't do it in other countries, necessarily. but our system is very much geared towards flipping people and trying to get them to cooperate. judge ellis seemed shocked by that. judge jackson in d.c. said, that's how things go. >> all right. so it goes. jeff toobin. thanks very much. multiple republican senators are now calling for a public apology for a white house aide's comments about senator james mattis -- senator john mccain.
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the senator at home in arizona battling brain cancer. there was a meeting scheduled today, but it seems no one spoke about mccain and the need for an apology. >> no, the issue didn't come up. >> didn't come up. senator john kennedy said the president talked for 45 minutes about, quote, quite an array of subjects, but not this one. certainly not an apology. and as you know, the white house aide, kelly sadler called meghan mccain to apologize, but has not apologized publically. a source told cnn that she had promised meghan mccain that she would do so, but she has not. neither has the president or anyone in the white house. they're trying to turn this into an issue of leaks and away from an issue that it actually is, one of human decency. one that no one would broach with the president today. even as republican lawmakers are calling for the white house to do the right thing. here's senator susan collins. >> the comment was denigrating and insensitive. john mccain is an american hero. he's a united states senator. and he's a good friend of mine.
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the best way for this to be put to rest, and it should have happened immediately, would have been for the white house to issue a public apology to the entire mccain family. >> do you think trump should too? the president himself? >> i think it would be helpful if the president made clear that those kinds of comments are not acceptable rather than criticizing the leaker. >> and this came from senator jeff flake. >> i don't understand it. why you just don't apologize and move on. that would be easier to do. you know, it wasn't the president making the statement, but i'm sure if he asked her to apologize, she would. so i don't know why he hasn't. i really don't. >> you saw senator majority leader mitch mcconnell talking earlier about this. he actually went to arizona over the weekend to visit john mccain. a statement from his office said mcconnell didn't want to miss the chance to tell mccain how
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much his friendship meant to him. here's mitch mcconnell today. >> does it bother you that almost a week ago now, someone on the president's staff insulted one of your senior colleagues, john mccain, with this morbid joke and then no one from the white house has apologized for it, even today as far as we understand? >> well, the person who said that should apologize and apologize publicly. >> so all three of those senators agree that mccain deserves an apology and no one brought it up with the meeting, apparently with the president. they say it in front of the cameras. crossing this president is not something many republicans are willing to do, even in defense of a fellow republican with a long history of service to the country and he's fighting brain cancer. joining me now is tony schwartz who wrote "the art of the deal" with mr. trump and contributor to the new book, "the dangerous case of donald trump." tony, thanks for being with us. it seems like, i mean, we know that president trump does not apologize. the "access hollywood" tape is really the only evidence of it. i've talked to him about it. he says he doesn't ask forgiveness for god. he can't remember a case of doing that. and he certainly doesn't issue public apologies.
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it seems like that filters down through the whole white house, that message. >> first of all, i would imagine that he either directly or indirectly made it clear that he didn't want sadler to apologize, because it would reflect on him. >> and is viewed as weakness? >> without question. that is the heart of it. if you apologize, you are wrong. look, if you live in a highly binary world. if your world view is, it's black or it's white. it's good or it's bad. if you're not good, you're bad -- >> you're either a winner or a loser. >> you win or you lose, all of these. then you only have one choice if you want to end up feeling that you are good. and that's the circumstance that trump always finds himself in. because to admit and acknowledge whether it's him or anybody who works for him that might reflect on him, that he's done something wrong is to admit that he's bad. that's his internal experience of it. >> it's so interesting to me, though. his idea of strength is so sort
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of cookie cutter, so -- it's almost cartoonish what -- how he defines strength. and i assume the definition of strength for him is not apologizing. part of that is never admitting you're wrong. >> well, i don't even think it's a calculation or an analysis or an opinion. i think it's an impulse and an instinct that emotionally, psychologically, he's incapable of it. because it's shattering to him to feel that he's wrong. >> did you -- in all your time that you spent with him, with "the art of the deal," did you ever hear him apologize for something? >> no. no. and it would stun me if he had. it is 30 years later and it's possible that he did -- no, i would say i'm pretty confident he never did. and he would be derisive of someone who did. his father didn't apologize. >> his father didn't? >> no. his father was a black and white guy. and he was in the mold of a roy cohn, even though they didn't
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particularly have a relationship. row cohn, who later became somewhat of a surrogate father to trump, and who was clearly his mentor. his attitude was, never apologize for anything. and trump followed from his father to roy cohn to himself. >> and roy cohn, are you saying that trump learned from roy cohn, either from actually involvement, or just watching roy cohn, because roy cohn was all about attack, attack, attack. >> yeah. yes, i do think he learned at his knee, if you will, and also at his father's knee. the difference between roy cohn's attack, attack, attack, and donald trump's. and this is by no means to defend roy cohn, is that roy cohn was a very bright guy. and he did everything in a highly calculated way, not in an impulsive way. >> it was thought out, it was planned? >> absolutely. he had figured out what worked. he was well educated. he was -- he was just plain smart. and he made those choices. he thought it worked. what he lacked, as trump lacks, was any underlying set of values or principles.
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so there was no -- you know, he was unimpeded. both cohn and trump were unimpeded by guilt or shame. >> but with trump, you're saying it's more gut? with roy cohn, it was more strategic? >> it's reactive. it's reactive. it's almost as if i could imagine that night that the hollywood access story was beginning to break and he was being surrounded by his aides and encouraged to apology, he was feeling to himself like, oh, they want to pull my teeth with no anesthetic. like, that's intolerable. >> it's interesting, because i think "the times" reported months ago that the president was even raising the idea to people, friends of his, that maybe that was not his voice on the "access hollywood" tape, which is just an extraordinary -- i mean, an extraordinary thing. >> yes, you know, it's so interesting that wonderful writer named jonathan hade, who maybe has even been on the show, who's written a book,
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actually, that i have somewhere here, but he's a -- he writes about morality. and what he says and i agree is that the impulse comes up, he calls it the elephant. the rider is the more thoughtful part of your brain. and the impulse comes up and it dominates, it comes out, and then the brain ends up being used in the service of rationalizing what the impulse has caused you to do. so it's the utter misuse and the ultimate misuse of the prefrontal cortex. but we all do it. and trump does it in extremus. >> and again, to me, if somebody on the staff apologizes, he views that person as weak? >> not only that he'd view them as weak, and everyone in trump's mind is either weak or strong, is either rich or poor, is either tough or wimpy. but it's also that that person is always reflecting on him, because the only person trump
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sees at any given moment truly is himself. so everybody is a reflection of him for better or for worse. in this case, if there were to be an apology, it would be for worse. >> tony schwartz, fascinating. thanks very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, president trump today at a memorial for fallen officers talked about a border patrol agent who died in the line of duty. some republicans have been saying that he was attacked. we'll have the latest on what investigators now believe happened. also the new reason why meghan markle's father will reportedly miss the royal wedding. it has nothing to do with some paparazzi photographs. it's something more series. -- serious. and watery near pol. there's flonase sensimist. it relieves all your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist.
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imagine what we can do for you. president trump spoke at the annual peace officer's memorial service today, an event honoring families of law enforcement authorities who died in the line of duty. he took pains to point out the death of a border patrol agent last november. here's some of what he had to say. >> agent martinez took immense pride and joy in serving his country as a border patrol agent. he was extremely proud of what he did. every day, he would go to work and risk his life to keep america safe. he bravely confronted the cartels, the smugglers, the human traffickers, the gangs that threaten our communities.
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one night last november, agent martinez died in the line of duty. it was horrific. it was violent. and he was brave. >> well, agent martinez did risk his life every single day and did die in the line of duty. exactly what happened, however, is still unclear. cnn's ed lavendera has more. >> reporter: in the darkness of a west texas night last november, border patrol agents rojelio martinez and steven garland were found severely injured in a culvert while patrolling an area near the remote town of van horn, close to the u.s./mexico border. martinez suffered severe head injuries and died hours later. garland survived, but doesn't remember what happened. it didn't take long for a sinister story line to emerge. agents with the national border patrol council, the union that has strongly supported president
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trump, claims there was evidence suggesting that the agents were savagely attacked by drug runners from mexico. >> these agents didn't get clipped by a truck. they didn't get clipped by a car. they were attacked. it's just -- it's plain to see that they were attacked. >> reporter: texas republicans pushed the story even harder. the governor and senator ted cruz also described the incident as an attack. and president trump used the moment to push for a border wall. >> we lost a border patrol officer just yesterday. and another one was brutally beaten and badly, badly hurt. and we talk about the wall. we're going to have the wall. it's part of what we're doing. we need it. >> but the problem with this story is, federal investigators don't believe the agents were attacked at all. and it appears to be some kind of accident. >> this is the culvert where the border patrol agents were found. it sits just off of interstate
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10, where cars are flying by at high rates of speed. and if they fell off of this and into the bottom here, it's about a 10-foot drop into a cement bottom. >> three months ago, cnn obtained an internal border patrol memo, which said that even though it's not clear what happened that night, there was no evidence of a crime. the agents did not have defensive wounds and the only footprints at the scene belonged to the agents and first responders. >> everybody, you know, they reassure me that, you know, they're going to get to the truth. they're going to get to the truth. but i mean, here we are weeks later and there's still no answers. >> with no clear answers, rojelio martinez's fiance tells cnn the ordeal is confusing and made worse by the differing explanations for what could have happened on that night in november. >> and ed lavendera joins us now. i mean, just horrible, what
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happened to both these officers. where is the -- is the investigation ongoing? is there going to be an answer? >> reporter: it is still ongoing, but the latest information we have has really kind of pointed to this being some kind of accident. however, investigators haven't been able to clearly pinpoint exactly what happened. whether it was a passing car or some other kind of freak accident that happened out there, in that remote area. we just don't know at this point. but they have said all along, and they have been saying very clear indications early on, they don't believe that there was anything out there at that scene, that indicated any kind of foul play. >> ed lavendera, appreciate that. we'll continue to follow it. up next, an update on how first lady melania trump is doing after her kidney procedure. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. and breaking news on another surprise medical procedure, this one reportedly more serious and scheduled for the father of meghan markle just days before she's to wed prince harry at windsor castle. since my stroke, he hasn't left my side.
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the first lady underwent treatment for a benign kidney condition on monday. the first lady's office says she is in good spirits. our chief correspondent sanjay gupta joins me with more. sanjay, the fact that the first lady is staying in the hospital for another few days, does that tell us anything? >> that's the big question, anderson. i talked to doctors who perform this procedure pretty regularly, i even looked at the data of how long people typically stay in after this embolization.
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it's an outpatient procedure for most patients. some stay an extra day if they're worried about pain or some other problem, but to stay four days or so, which it sounds like she'll be maybe staying, it's just unusual. i just don't know what to make of it. i'm not hearing anything more from her office. it could be out of an abundance from caution. >> how is a procedure different from a surgery? >> people use these terms interchangeably and terms do matter here. a surgery is basically when you make an incision in the skin and you're actually going and examining, in this case, the kidney or an organ directly. with this procedure it's really kind of like a large i.v., anderson, that goes into a blood vessel and then a catheter is basically threaded to the area right around the kidney. and through that catheter is where this embolization takes place. >> so when the first lady leaves the hospital, do you know what the recuperation process is like?
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>> my guess is that, especially given that most patients go home the same day, when she leaves in a couple days from now, my guess is she'll be feeling fine, up walking around, taking care of herself, no problems. there may be a little bit of soreness still, sometimes from the procedure, but that's the type of soreness that is controlled just with some ibuprofen or some advil or something like that. >> sanjay, thank you very much. we wish you the best. >> of course, thank you. >> a surprise medical procedure that is reportedly expected tomorrow morning for meghan markle's father. tmz is reporting that thomas markle will undergo heart surgery to repair a blockage and put in a stint. this is what will, in fact, keep him from walking his daughter down the aisle at windsor castle when she marries prince harry. max foster joins us with the latest. max, what do we know about the
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procedure that meghan markle's father is expected to have this week? >> reporter: this is what he told tmz. the doctors will go in, clear the blockage, repair damage and put a stent in where it's needed. clearly he won't be able to go to windsor to attend the wedding. we're back basically where we were last night. he is not now coming to the wedding, even though we heard earlier he may do that. >> there are all kinds of narratives about why he won't be attending the wedding. according to tmz, it is for this health reason. >> reporter: it is. the problem he's created for himself here is, you know, yesterday when you and i were talking, what i was told, and i believe this to be true, meghan markle was desperately upset that her father said he wouldn't be able to come to the wedding. so harry, as is his way, started blaming himself a bit for this. he feels that all of this pressure he's put on meghan
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because of his profile caused all of this pain within the family. so he sent his people out to speak to correspondents like myself to try to send the message out to the media that they need to give thomas markle a break. then we have the situation he's gone back to tmz and said, i've changed my mind, i am going to the wedding, and then again he's not going to the wedding. they're in a situation where, i think frankly they've run out of patience for him. there is sympathy for his medical condition and the pressure he's under, but he can't keep fueling the media machine. >> how is this playing out with the public in great britain? do we know who is going to walk the bride down the aisle, because her father was supposed to, last i had heard? >> reporter: a very good question. i'm in windsor. i've been here all week. here there is a great deal of excitement about the wedding. they want to see the fairy tale
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unfold in the castle behind me. they have a lot of sympathy for what meghan markle is going through right now with just days to go before her wedding. it's been thrown into chaos and she obviously is very upset by it. she has to decide who is walking her down the aisle. a lot of people are talking about her mother possibly doing that. other people suggesting that it might be one of prince harry's friends who is also friends with meghan. some suggested it could be prince william. possibly she could go the scandinavian route here, because if this happens in scandinavia, then the bride and groom will go down the aisle together. she's got to deal with that. it's a big question for her. it's quite unsettling for her. then there's the question of who will give the speech on her behalf at the reception as well. i get the impression now that she's doing that speech. she will take control of that which might free up her mother to prepare for taking her down the aisle. >> max foster, thank you very much. appreciate it. quick programming note. we'll be traveling to england for the wedding of prince harry and meghan markle.
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