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to cancel it. who is sorry now? still not the white house as republican senators call for an apology for a white house aide's insensitive comments about senator john mccain. silence from the president, the white house, and the aide. manafort ruling. this year marks one year since mueller was made special counsel in the investigation and a judge ruled on the manafort case. jeff zeleny joins us now. the white house, did they have any heads up about this announcement today? >> there was no heads up at the state department, and really across washington, the pentagon as well. it was a surprise essentially to everyone that north korea had suddenly having second thoughts about these military exercises but also the threatening words about the possibility of intervening with that summit which really is only a month or so away in singapore. so certainly people at the white house were surprised by that.
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the president learned of it from news reports. aides were scrambling to figure out exactly what was going on. it certainly raises a point here that this meeting was always going to be a difficult one. since the president was standing here in the white house briefing room really just a couple months ago saying he wants to have this meeting, it seemed like it was going along at a pretty good pace, but the expectations certainly have crescendoed since then. so probably a sign it will be a challenging meeting, but they don't know what it means for that overall summit. >> the white house released a statement. what did they say? >> white house press secretary sarah sanders released a statement. let's take a look. it said, we are aware of the south korean media report. the united states will look at what north korea has said independently and continue to coordinate closely with our allies, allies being south korea and others. but important to point out the
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news report came from a government news agency in pyongyang. so this is a north korea news report cancelling those military exercises. kim jong-un always said he would support it. so anderson, the next several weeks are critical for this time. south korea president moon jae-in is scheduled to be here a week from today for a meeting with the president, but at this point the summit is still on. the white house is making plans for it to be on but they don't have the only say in the matter, anderson. >> jeff, i appreciate it. i want to go to paula hancocks who is in south korea for us. these drills between the u.s. and south korea, i think they fired missiles the last time it happened last year. do we know what their issue is this time? >> we don't, anderson. there is a number of different reasons they could be doing this. potentially it could be some kind of negotiation ahead of the u.s./north korea summit.
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you can see as part of this article, they are saying let this be noticed by the u.s. and south korea, we will be watching your future attitude. so it's almost a warning that if these military drills continue, then there could be problems. it's no secret that north korea does not like these military drills. it happened last year. as you say, they were missile launches afterwards, and we're being told by the u.s. air force that it effectively is the same scale and scope. we know there are f-16 fighter jets involved. we know there are these stealth jets involved as well which north korea would not want to have flying over the korean peninsula. but as you say, they knew this was going to happen. this is annual. the u.s. says it's defensive. so clearly there is something more here besides south korea saying they want to know what the intention is before they meet.
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>> the statement was aimed more directly at south korea than it was the united states, and perhaps there is a meaning in that. >> reporter: yes, the way north korea sees this, according to this article, is that this was against the declaration. this was an agreement signed between the leaders of north and south korea. they agreed to not have hostilities on either side. south korea does not see this as hostile, this is part of two militaries training together. but north korea has consistently found these drills very threatening and they've constantly reacted to them. so, of course, the question is why have they decided to mention this now? they're not saying that they are cancelling the summit with the u.s. president donald trump, they are saying that the u.s. should be aware of this summit in the context of what is happening right now. so it is a fairly thinly veiled
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threat to the united states and also to south korea that this sort of behavior, as far as north korea is concerned, will not be tolerated. it said there is a limit to goodwill, there is a limit to giving an opportunity. one word of caution, though, we have seen this kind of behavior from north korea before. we have seen these kind of articles from kcna slamming the u.s. and south korea at the same time as tensions have been decreasing. >> joining me, amy stoddard, steve cortez and bobby gauche. bobby, what do you make of this? is this saber rattling, negotiation tactic? >> it's unlikely that at this late stage kim has completely changed his mind about the meeting with trump. the assumption has to be one of two things. either this is a signal of domestic politics, reassuring people around him that i'm still a tough guy. i haven't gone soft on the united states and south korea.
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or this is him reacting to pressure put on him by the united states. so far the u.s. has been putting pressure saying, it's complete denuclearization, trump is going to go for the full deal, and this is him saying, you know what? i've still got skin in this game. i'm still a player here. trump has threatened that he will walk away from a deal if he's not happy. this is kim saying, i can do that, too. so one of those two things seem most likely. now, from the north korean point of view, this is not an unrealistic expectation that the south would please tone down these exercises. yes, they happen every year. yes, they're supposed to be defensive. but you're calling an exercise max thunder and you're doing it right on north korea's border just when relationships between the two countries are going through a period of thaw. it's not unreasonable to expect a reduction in
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hostilities. >> that's actually my adult film name, so i'm really embarrassed. avenatti is my lawyer. >> what do you guys make of this? >> bobby is right, i think this is probably more talking to the regime, but i think we should listen, too. kim did not change his stripes. i feel like the president is like a teenager learning to drive. it's flooring the gas and then slamming the brake. we went from fire and fury to open and honorable. i don't think either was actually quite right. you know, he's not open and honorable, he's a man that just murdered otto warmbier, a completely innocent college kid. i'm glad he freed these hostages but he shouldn't have taken them in the first place. >> shouldn't the president get some credit for -- i mean, the rhetoric which all the experts were saying, look, this is terrible and not a good idea, but you can make an argument we are now seeing some movement which we haven't seen before. >> i think he should get credit tonight for not tweeting or
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commenting at all. that's wisdom. that's great. i hope he continues once he watches "fox & friends" in the morning. yes, he does deserve some credit, but i think it's way too early. >> the united states has taken a nuanced approach for six decades as the korean war has not ended. there are knowns and unknowns in this equation. what is known is the korean war is ending. it's because of president trump, and that's not my opinion, that's the opinion of south korea and president moon. the korean war is ending. what is also known is kim jong-un is no longer, for now, lobbing missiles into the pacific. he either fears or respects donald trump or some mixture of the two. what is also known is he's at least willing to meet. what is unknown is what will come out of this. we don't know. donald trump will clearly not sell the farm. >> brian, the north koreans have been wanting to meet for -- i mean, every regime. >> decades, yes.
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>> they already said trump is getting too much credit for this. remember there was a statement pushing back on the idea that trump is responsible for the thawing. believe it or not, that's what north korea wants us to believe. i think this is part of that narrative, that this is not -- trump is not calling all the shots here. we're still the active player. >> i just want to say, look, clearly we could all agree we want peace, we don't want war. i think what this shows is how ill-prepared the united states is. let's not forget we still don't have a u.s. ambassador in south korea. we were caught off-guard and if we had diplomacy there, we would have known a little bit more of what was going on -- >> is that really -- rich, do you -- because we've had ambassadors there and we haven't known what's going on. >> that's a classic north korean tactic, though. their negotiations are based on unpredictability. it's hard to say exactly what this means, but it may be saying, actually, we're going to set the tempo. it may be a sign they want to
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get into the negotiation over the negotiation. and maybe a sign that we have more leverage because you want this more than we do. i would still expect there to be a summit. i would still expect it at least to be superficially successful, even if kim is insincere, which i assume, his goal should be to have a good meeting, try to string us along and try to get concessions before he's done anything consistent the way the regime has for 30 or 40 years. >> having a meeting between two leaders is one thing, but in a summit, there is a lot of legwork that goes on usually before or after between other people lower level in the government. there is a lot of work to be done beyond just whatever happens at that one meeting. >> right. and look, i agree with rich that i don't think this is going to be derailed, i think it's going to happen. i think this is a gesture of politics. it's saying, you're not in control. the united states president and the south korean president is not in control.
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he's been so acquiescent. kim jong-un does have decades of experience with his father and grandfather. and the trump administration is using some experts. but there have been some openings, some vacancies. this is also a quick pace in terms of the calendar. i think it's going to happen, but it's also important and they go into this mindfully knowing and the president says, i'll walk away with it. just the summit itself can be an end game for kim jong-un. >> that is what multiple regime leaders in north korea have wanted, to be on an equal footing, to have that one-on-one meeting. >> yeah, they want that legitimacy. if we step back a little bit, kim has already won some of these things. a serving cia director has never been there. a serving secretary of state has
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never gone and shaken hands with his father or grandfather. those are quite significant. it is only the prospect of a trump summit we're thinking that's a big surprise, but he's already won silver and bronze. >> you all are so unwilling to give the president any victory on anything that i think -- >> i said give him credit. >> this is not just -- this is not just out there. the korean war is ending. that is momentous. he has stopped -- i'm not just talking about optics. he has stopped sending missiles -- >> you can't say the korean war has ended. >> he has stopped missiles. there are no missiles for now going into the pacific. why? because president trump put on maximum economic pressure, maximum diplomatic pressure, mainly at china, and harsh rhetoric. as much as people mocked him for
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rocket man, he has been forced into a corner. and the idea that he's dictating terms is absurd. we have him in the corner and we can decide to let him out of that corner, but it's for us to decide. >> it's certainly true that trump usefully intimidated -- >> one at a time. rick. >> trump usefully intimidated him and there was a let-up on the sanctions, which was good, but nothing that's happened so far has happened before. we've seen the north koreans blow up, we've seen -- >> no, we have not. that's historic. >> the south korean president has gone to pyongyang and shaken hands. i was based in the regime when that happened. the south korean president won a nobel prize because of it. what came of it? nothing. >> the cessation.
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when we come back, still no apology from the white house after a cruel joke against senator mccain. some republican senators have said there should be an apology. did they bring it up in the briefing today? also, a ruling from a judge whether mueller overstepped his legal authority in the paul manafort case and whether that case is going to continue. ♪ ♪ ♪ raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens ♪ ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪
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was senator john mccain and a white house staffer's comment that he's dying, anyway. the aide has not publicly apologized to the senator and his family. some are calling for those apologies, but it did not come up in the meeting today. >> did anything about the white house staffer insulting senator mccain come up at all? >> no, it did not come up. >> some are saying that senator mccain deserves an apology from the white house aide. should anybody be surprised there's not an apology? one thing we know about president trump is he doesn't apologize except for the "access hollywood" tape and that seems to filter down. >> he does not apologize, and the staff knows that. they are not allowed to make apologies about mistakes made at the white house.
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what's interesting about today, at least by my calendar, i think at least 8 or 10 republican senators have been on the record saying this must happen. then when faced with him behind closed doors, they don't bring it up. >> or what? what are the republican senators going to do? as usual, nothing. the idea they say trump should do "x," and then he doesn't do it, and then they vote for everything he's for, anyway. so this idea there is any rebellion against trump for this or anything else is completely -- >> i didn't say there was. i'm surprised they would come out and demand this on camera and then in privacy at a luncheon not say what lindsey graham said, which was, it would be great for your administration if someone would make a statement that this was unfortunate and -- >> i think it's absurd and the evidence argues exactly the opposite. the wall would be built completely if the republicans were trump's minions on capitol hill. in fact, hill republicans have
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been very obstructionist to him particularly in the senate. >> on what? >> on health care. on the wall. my point is you're promoting -- this is fake news. if you say that senate republicans do whatever trump wants, the opposite is true. >> how many of his judges have failed to get confirmed? >> how about the wall, how about health care? >> the number you're looking for is zero. >> how about the wall? how about it? >> the wall that mexico was supposed to pay for? >> can we get back on the topic? the president of the united states has a staff member who mocked and disparaged a war hero who is facing cancer. that's appalling. many of his colleagues -- he's beloved, he served 30 years in the senate. many of his colleagues said, gee, that's really uncool. but when faced with the president, they folded like a cheap suit. that's not donald trump's fault, that's the republican party's fault. they're so cowed by this man,
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you can hear them move. they've given over their souls, their spines -- >> according to the president, the wall is being built. >> but nothing like the president wants. he wanted $20 billion and he got $3. >> don't tell him that. >> the existing wall is being rehabbed. >> regarding this issue, and as i mentioned last night, look, i believe an apology -- >> you believe he should apologize. >> i apologize to my wife about four times a day because it's the right thing to do. i believe someone at the white house should apologize. i know kelly sadler. i like her. i don't believe she said it with animus. i believe if we heard the context -- >> the context? what would the context be? >> the context could be, let us not respond because he's on his deathbed. >> that's a different -- >> she didn't even say he's on his deathbed. that's not what was reported was said. >> donald trump does apologize,
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he did for the "access hollywood" tape. >> but he renounced it and said it wasn't even his voice. the only apology he made he said it wasn't even his voice. >> kelly sadler, 90% of america doesn't even know who she is. mainstream media has been fixated on this story for i think day six. wow, the economy is exploding. while peace is perhaps a real reality in the korean peninsula. he keeps one campaign promise after another. what are we talking about? a mid-level staffer who said something crass. i think that's why he has no respect for the media, because they want to pick at everything. >> her colleagues literally left the meeting. and after that, because the white house refused to calm this story down and drags it into day
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six, it is actually -- as a result of the white house statements from the podium combined with the senators saying it must be apologized for -- >> you know better than anybody, steve, this white house drags everything out and makes it more of a story than it otherwise would be. >> i think this is an unforced error. i think we should have been done with this story. but i'm also explaining, as someone who knows the president and understands not just him, but the 2016 movement. the media is so antagonistic and so ready to harp on a minor issue that that, i think, explains his reticence to apologize. >> this comes long before -- during the campaign i asked him multiple times. he doesn't ask for forgiveness of god which he has talked about multiple times even though he's been embraced by the evangelical community. i asked him when was the last time he apologized during the campaign. he couldn't remember. there was the "access hollywood" thing. to say this is a reaction to something he discovered in the
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white house, this is a lifelong thing. >> anderson, there are about three dozen times most of us would have thought during the campaign it would have served his interest to apologize. >> i agree. >> people ran in and said, mr. trump, you need to apologize for this, and he didn't. it worked for him. >> he's unconcerned with what the right thing is. apparently it works for him to never apologize after attacking a war hero. >> his weakness -- >> let's say in fairness to kelly sadler, she did apologize to meghan mccain. i think what's coming from the top, she can't do it publicly. >> she did say she would do it publicly. >> then there could have been someone who said, you can't do it publicly. >> that's not the media.
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again, i think the white house drags out the story. meghan mccain was told she would get a public apology and she didn't. she announced that publicly. republican senators, at least ten of them, said this would happen. that's not the media focusing on john mccain's family's hurt feelings. that's people calling for an apology that are -- >> but the media is fixated on a story that no one in america cares about. >> then they can turn the channel. >> about a mid-level staffer saying something crass in a private meeting in the white house. >> i don't have an aversion to anyone here saying what america thinks. we're sitting here on west 58th street. what the hell do we know about what america thinks? >> you know why? because i lived in the midwest and i worked for the trump campaign, jeffrey toobin. i knew he was going to win when everyone at this table and everyone in washington, d.c., said he had no chance. i knew it because i saw the pain and anxiety that was out there in america, and i saw the way donald trump spoke to them. i know very well, actually.
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i might be the best person to ask other than the president himself. >> insulting a man who is fighting for his life? that somehow emeliorates the pain? >> no, but it's not relevant to the life of a middle-class voter to elected donald trump. >> what about frigging human decency and being a decent person? why can't we have people who just are decent human beings who would say, you know what, i made a mistake. i apologize all the time to friends and family, just like you said. there is a thing to be said for human decency. maybe it's not popular and maybe it's not what his base wants to hear, but they're very decent people, too, and i bet they apologize in their own minds as well. >> i wish they had. but my point is at the same time it's unbelievable almost to me that here we are on prime time
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on cnn with all that's going on in the world, with israel, with korea, with the job market, and we're talking about -- >> we actually talked about north korea, we're actually talking about gaza. i interviewed tom freeman later on in the program. we're spending plenty of time on it. it's emblematic of a larger issue in the white house. it goes beyond what you say is a mid-level staffer. i think that's interesting. >> can i just say we're talking about the white house here, which is the highest office in the land. our children are watching, right? this is the president of the united states. he is supposed to set a tone. young kids should be looking up to him, and what we're seeing is he's created this incredibly toxic environment in the white house where, "a," people, staffers, are saying whatever crude, awful things that they feel like they can say because the president says it, and also they're fighting each other, they're leaking on each other. this is not what we're supposed to be seeing from the white house.
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and i think that is the problem. it's the behavior. it's what's coming out of the white house that's the problem. >> if you refuse to apologize about this and you lie about little things, what about the bigger things? >> you can't just throw the lie in there. >> millions of illegal immigrants voted in california and that's why hillary clinton won the popular vote. >> if you want to dig into that, there is evidence of widespread voter fraud. >> wait a minute, there is no evidence. >> you should be on that commission that no longer exists, because they couldn't find any. >> they couldn't find any proof. >> you believe millions of illegal immigrants voted. >> i don't know how many voted, but illegal immigrants do vote, clearly. >> the president has said repeatedly, millions voted. that's why hillary clinton -- the stupid crowd size of the inaugural which nobody would be focused on and reporting about had it not been issue number one at this white house, and sean
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spicer being pushed out there on a pretend death march to yell and scream and destroy his credibility so he's now, you know, opening up exhibits at madam tussaud's wax museum. and i have a wax figure, so i'm not cutting down madam tussaud. thanks very much, appreciate everyone. much more to get to tonight. we also have breaking news tied to the mueller investigation. a federal judge ruling the case against paul manafort. it can proceed. we'll talk about that with the author of the new profile, mr. mueller, that has his roots -- it's all about his background in the marine corps. we'll be right back. my car smells good.
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there's more breaking news tonight. the ruling that the charges brought against paul manafort can proceed. joining me for insight on mueller himself is darrell graff. he's contributing editor for file 13 on newsstands. it's a fascinating look at robert mueller. you write that in order to understand who he is and what defines him, you have to go all the way back to his time serving as a marine in the vietnam war.
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>> it is like the dmz and makes experience for bob mueller. you can see a lot of the traits he has as fbi director, as special counsel coming out of his marine training. the extreme discipline, the extreme focus on the mission. he went through very extensive training in the marines at army ranger school, airborne jump school, actually. and spent sixth months of intense combat in vietnam, during some of the worst fighting that the u.s. force has faced in the entire vietnam war. >> '68 and '69, critical years.
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were you able to point out just how consistent his military experience has been with the special counsel? >> it's funny. i've interviewed a lot of his staff in the fbi, prosecutors he's worked with over the years. i went back and was interviewing ultimately eight marines that i found who served with him in the hotel company of the second battalion fourth marine regiment in vietnam, and they all said almost exactly the same thing that anyone else has said about bob mueller ever since, that he's incredibly focused, he was incredibly driven, that he was up every night checking the patrols, checking the observation post, sort of making sure that he knew where everyone was and that he was, in fact, in many ways working harder than almost any of the marines under him. i dove deep into the battle of mudder's ridge in 1968 where bob mueller received the medal of valor where he helped rescue
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another marine and i found a marine in texas that he rescued that day in battle. >> you talk about him under pressure. >> this is sort of one of the things that really -- you see how important vietnam was to the bob mueller that we know today, which is mueller considers himself incredibly lucky to have survived vietnam. many others didn't that he served with. the marines actually inspired him to join. his princeton classmate david hackett was killed in vietnam just as bob mueller was beginning officer candidate school. this was a time where mueller sort of feels incredibly grateful for having survived and he also feels that sort of no pressure that he has ever faced since being a marine in combat in vietnam compares to the stress of leading men in combat. one of his sort of dark jokes,
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lines after 9/11 when he was leading the fbi was even under all of that stress, he would say i'm still getting more sleep than i ever did in vietnam. >> you also point out in your interview just how different the paths are that mueller and president trump have taken throughout their lives, which is quite obvious. >> yeah, and this is sort of one of the almost shakespearean aspects of this tale. you mentioned thursday is a one-year anniversary of mueller's appointment. their lives started in sort of similar ways and their paths diverged when mueller went into vietnam. mueller medaling and trump taking five deferments. up next, a conversation about what nikki haley said
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today about the violence in the middle east. and the royal wedding. the reason meghan markle's father won't take part in the wedding on friday. it was at first due to the paparazzi. now it's far more serious. we'll take you to mexico where mr. america -- markle lives for the details. don't know what itt that little gal's lovin'. ♪ applebee's new bigger bolder grill combos. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. when it comes to travel, i sweat the details. late checkout...
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with pg&e in the sierras. and i'm an arborist since the onset of the drought, more than 129 million trees have died in california. pg&e prunes and removes over a million trees every year to ensure that hazardous trees can't impact power lines. and since the onset of the drought we've doubled our efforts. i grew up in the forests out in this area and honestly it's heartbreaking to see all these trees dying. what guides me is ensuring that the public is going to be safer and that these forests can be sustained and enjoyed by the community in the future. more breaking news and this is tied to the royal wedding just days away. it turns out there is a new reason why meghan markle's father apparently won't walk her down the aisle on saturday. it has nothing to do with photos staged with paparazzi.
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instead tmz said it talked again with thomas markle and he has to undergo heart surgery tomorrow morning. they will repair a blockage and put in a stent. i understand you went to the hospital to find markle. what did you find out? what can you tell us? >> reporter: anderson, we actually talked to the assistant director of the hospital. she confirmed he is no longer there. we kind of went off these reports of what he was quoted as saying, that this is no longer a back and forth between both families, this is a health issue. as we were at the hospital, we talked to actually several doctors, and they are saying that this is now medical. of course, there has been that back and forth and he's been quoted as saying he wants to now walk his daughter down the aisle. it's certainly a historic moment for the world and also for this father.
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but what we know is what's been reported by tmz, that there is a possible surgery tomorrow morning that was not confirmed by the hospital. they are citing privacy reasons right now, but this has been something that's been in the news and now it's certainly taking a turn just days before the royal wedding. >> so i assume -- i mean, i guess if it's stent surgery, maybe he could go to the hospital tomorrow. you're in the neighborhood he lives in now. are people talking about him at all? >> reporter: well, what's been somewhat surprising is that for this to be such a small area. not a lot of people seem to know who he is. it's a gated community, it's a beachfront property, there are cobblestone streets. and when we talk to neighbors, many of the expat community, many americans that are here, people to know about him.
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but i haven't found anyone who has actually talked to him. it seems he sort of keeps to himself. he's not answering the door right now, but what people are aware of is that he's here. so much so that there are actually paparazzi camped outside his door. when we talked to some of them, they actually told us they've been here for weeks. but no sign of him as of today. and, of course, that's understandable given what could be some very serious medical conditions. >> any of the people you're talking to, is there interest in the royal wedding there? >> reporter: i asked a few people, are you going to be watching this? and they said no. i spoke to one neighbor who was self-proclaimed in the know in this community, and she says everybody seems to know there is this buzz about royalty, but there wasn't much interest in terms of watching the wedding or getting to know him or looking for him. one person said that she had heard he was in a store nearby earlier this week. he was described as being very friendly. but, you know, it seems to be
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more media, more photographers, people who are just trying to see what the next move is for mr. markle in this area of mexico as his daughter is very far away making wedding plans. >> i appreciate it. thanks very much. a reminder, i'll be traveling to england for cnn coverage of the royal wedding. you can join me on friday night on "360." after that i'll be in windsor with coverage starting at 4:00 a.m. set your alarm clocks for that. just ahead, thomas freedman. having mplaque psoriasise is not always easy. it's a long-distance run. and you have the determination to keep going. humira has a proven track record of being prescribed for over 10 years. humira works inside the body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation
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funerals were held today flute gaza for those killed in yesterday's violence where at least 60 were killed. today nikki haley repeated the trump administration belief that only hamas is responsible for the violence. it came as a ceremony was held. i spoke about it all earlier with "new york times" columnist tom friedman. >> tom, it was striking yesterday to watch members of the trump administration, you know, celebrating the unveiling of the new embassy, at the same time palestinians were killed on the israeli/gaza border. >> you know, the whole thing, anderson, is just like diplomatic pornography from beginning to end. let's start with hamas and gaza. i mean, there was an act of human sacrifice. i'm sorry. when you throw thousands of your youth, the flower of your youth against an israeli fence supposedly to get into israel,
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some of them surrounded by armed hamas fighters, it was inevitable that a lot of people were going to get killed and hamas knew that and this was entirely designed by hamas to distract the attention of the world not to mention the middle east. >> and hamas controls what happens in gaza. >> absolutely. they're totally in control. it's their answer to failed leadership, to turn gaza into some kind of decent, flourishing state which they could have done. they had a choice to do that before all of these blockades began and they chose not to. they have a lot to answer for. on the other side, you know, i don't begrudge israelis defending themselves against people charging their border not caring a peace map. hamas is the bad palestinian leadership, what have the israelis been doing with the good palestinian leadership,
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mahmoud abbas. where is the israeli imaginative, peaceful creation? what is bibi's peace plan? neither hamas or bibi have any peaceful end on the table right now. so the whole thing is just a tragedy. it's two bald men fighting over a comb. >> two bald men fighting over a comb? that's what you said? >> yes. >> i never heard that analogy. when you hear jared kushner basically saying, you know, peace is possible, peace is -- can be at hand, does that ring true to you at all? >> not in the least. you know, one of the most stupid statements that was said yesterday at that embassy event, which was really just a republican midterm pep rally disguised as a diplomatic event, let's be clear, with their evangelical preachers, right wing jewish funders, far right jewish rabbis there, this was meant basically to fire up the far right religious base of the republican party.
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this had nothing to do with diplomacy. but to say that us moving the embassy to jerusalem is the first step toward peace is such stuff and nonsense, anderson. what would a real american president have done if he wanted to actually use the embassy move as a step toward peace? here is what he would have done. he would have come to netanyahu, prime minister of israel, here is what i am ready to do. you have coveted the u.s. embassy being moved from tell have vive to jerusalem and recognizing jerusalem as your capital. we are ready to do that on one condition. you will freeze all israeli settlements in densely populated areas of the west bank to preserve that zone for the two-state solution. that's what he would have said. i will trade you this embassy move which you covet for that step which -- >> that would have been the art of the deal. >> that would have been the art of the deal. trump did the hart of the giveaway. had trump done that he could
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have come to mahmoud abbas, the palestinian leader and said, i know you don't like this embassy move, but look whey got you. i got you something obama never got you, i got a freeze on israeli settlements. then he could have gone to the arab world and said, look what i have done, i advanced the process. i have done something hard and i want you guys to do something hard. i want you to accept some israeli tourists. i want you to give some interviews to israeli journalists. he could have had leverage. instead he gave away the most valuable diplomatic real estate in the middle east treasure box and he gave it away for free. believe me, in jerusalem they are laughing at him. in the arab world they're laughing at him. they can't believe what a sucker he was to take that bait and give this away for free when he could have used it, he could have used it for leverage to truly advance the peace process. >> lastly i want to ask you about the continuing refusal to publicly apologize for raphael
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saadiq remarks about senator mccain. vice president biden said that decency has hit rock bottom with this administration. do you agree with that? is this rock bottom? >> it is sort of the most basic thing that no one should ever have to tell you or ask you. i would think this woman herself would have said, you know, boy, looking at that tweet as often people do when they make a statement or a tweet -- i'm sorry, hers was a statement, not a tweet -- in the cold light of day, you know what, i really feel bad about that. the fact that she couldn't say that, that she wasn't allowed to apologize, that the white house kept explaining why she didn't have to apologize, this isn't politics. this is basic human decency about a man who truly is an american hero, and it is just people who have lost their way. >> tom friedman, appreciate your time. thank you, tom. >> thanks. up next, we remember tom wolfe, one of the great american writers of the 20th century. it's a lot easier to make decisions
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his wonderful book about the mercury astronauts, "the right stuff," became part of the national conversation and part of the language. the novel about the high flyers of new york finance, "the bonfire of the vanities" became a classic. tom wolfe has died. he was 88. thanks for watching "360 ft.. time to hand it over to don lemon. >> this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. we have breaking news on the firm that harvested facebook data from 50 million unsuspected americans. run by steve bannon and the powerful mercer family close to the president. the justice and department want to question former employees of cambridge analytica which earlier this month announced it is shutting down and that is according to "the new york times." plus so much for the art of the deal. north korea threatening to pull the plug on next month's summit between kim jong-un and president trump. they say over a joint military drill conducted by south k
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