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and turt mohe turmoil on ca hill centers on the gop trying to quash moderates. and the demand to vote on new sexual harrassment rules. >> we all see what it actually does to society, whether it's happening in factories or in restaurants or in hollywood or in the halls of congress or right here in this building. but the difference is, while practically every other industry in the country seems to be taking this issue far more seriously, and at least trying to make an effort to change their workplaces, congress is dragging its feet. >> more on that important effort in just a moment. but up first for us, an anniversary tweet storm. the president of the united states harshly attacking the special counsel who was appointed one year ago by the trump justice department. sarcasm first from the
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president. quote, congratulations, america. we are now in the second year of the greatest witch hunt in american history. also from the president, disgusting, illegal, and unwarranted. team trump, starting with the president, says a year of the russian meddling cloud is enough. mueller won't be swayed by the cable tv chatter, but the president want his supporters to distrust anything investigators say and anything they find. rudy giuliani, the president's new lead counsel, says mueller confirmed to the president's legal team that he, the special counsel, does not have the power to indict the commander in chief. quote, all they get to do is write a report. that's what giuliani told cnn's dana bash. we do not know if giuliani is telling the truth, accurately representing the goal of the special counsel. if you're not going to indict the president, why would you need to talk to the president?
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and why would you rule out trying to subpoena the president if he wouldn't come in voluntarily? giuliani also trying to distract from another new legal and political headache for the president. a new financial disclosure form filed by the president this week lists payments to his long-time lawyer and fixer, michael cohen, that should have been disclosed on last year's form. cnn shimon prokupecz starts us off. new information at the one-year mark. what are the big questions? >> reporter: john, you hit it right there, right on point. the biggest question is regarding this subpoena. will the president voluntarily submit to an interview with the special counsel, or are they going to have to take that extreme measure and subpoena him? certainly the president's lawyers, rudy giuliani, saying they have no right to do that. but that's not necessarily true. that is really the ultimate thing now, because that seems to be the next, at least, big step as it relates to the president. you know, what we keep forgetting here is that
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mueller's investigation is much larger than most of us really talk about, because it involves russians, right? there is an entire investigation that centers around russians, that centers around what people in russia were doing to interfere in this election. and the president certainly could be seen as a witness in that investigation and, therefore, mueller could argue that that's why he's needed. certainly the president's interactions as a businessman, time with the miss universe pageant, the time he spent in russia, the interactions with the russians when he was in moscow. all of that, as we've reported, has been part of mueller's investigation. so it could be that mueller could want to talk to the president about all of that, and therefore, could have the right to subpoena him as a witness. whether or not that actually happens, obviously that remains to be seen. but really, john, that is the big question. does the president eventually wind up talking to the special counsel? >> a big question and striking
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on this one hi-year anniversary shimon, a lot of hype skand silence, crickets, from the white house. athena, this was a long-time a prese prentice suit filed against the president. what happened with that? >> a judge is trying to get this delayed pending an appeal that he filed. the lawyer has denied that motion, saying this case can move forward. this defamation brought by a former "apprentice" contestant, accusing donald trump, the candidate, of assaulting her. that case is allowed to go forward. trump's team is appealing it. they wanted to halt the discovery process. that means the gathering of
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evidence through depositions and other document collection and the like. they wanted to at least halt that until a judge ruled on whether the case would be -- whether the appeal would be approved. well, that has been denied. that means the discovery process can go forward, and this is significant, because we already know just a couple weeks ago that summer's legal team has asked for very specific documents and recordings, chief among them the "apprentice" audio tapes, for access to recordings of "apprentice" tapings, anything that had to do with summer davos and how trump talks to women. the hotel is of course one of the locations where davos said an assault took place. this is significant because the hearing can move forward.
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they expect to get a reply by the end of this month, so that's not good news for the trump team to see this proceeding when they thought it would be halted. >> you summed it up spaiperfect there at the end, not good news for the trump team. abby phillip, and mary katherine hamm with the federalist. it's hard to keep up with this sometimes. team trump, from the president himself, disgusting, illegal, unwarranted? those are new words from the president. witch hunt i think we've heard 40 or 50 times. are those new words from the president? why on this day coming up with tougher language and telling the
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investigat investigator, you've been at this long enough, go away. >> there is a heavy emphasis today on discrediting mueller, discrediting the legitimacy of the probe, talking about ways in which -- they're using the word illegal repeatedly, and some of that might have to do with the other thing that's happening, which is that rudy giuliani is talking now about the president, even if there were crimes committed, couldn't be indicted. the president and his emissaries want to make this a political one, not a legal one, not about breaking of the law or anything like that. they want to make it about politics, because i think people believe they can be won on those grounds. bill clinton back in the '90s, whose approval rating actually went up when he was facing the
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specter of impeachment. that's more familiar turf for this president. i think he feels more confident on the politics of this than they do, frapgnkly, on the law d what kind of legal problems the president and his associates may get into. >> we don't have the president's special account and we won't. that's not how he operates. rudy giuliani says, we go by the old rules, the old practice. we don't think we can indict a sitting president. rudy wants in the conversation, number one. number two, he wants in the conversation about will the president sit down? rudy says, if you can't indict him, why talk to him? speed it up. >> the mueller investigation is not an illegal investigation, it's an investigation that's been sanctioned by the president's own justice department. it's an investigation that robert mueller's team has to continually defend in courtroom after courtroom with a number of judges to be able to proceed with some of the charges they've
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brought, and they've done that so far. but i do think we have seen rudy giuliani sort of take this notion that you can't indict the president and use that to say, why should you subpoena him? why should he sit for an interview? this is part of it, the notion that trump and his associates colluded with russians are part of the investigation, just like obstruction of justice is part of the investigation. but the broader question is interference by russians in the 2016 election. this doesn't just get tied up with a bow and put an end to it. >> there was a precedent set and the doj leader rod rosenstein was asked earlier about this, can the president be indicted, and in the past, doj has determined that, no, they cannot. but would the special counsel really tell the president's lawyers this was the case and they were not going to pursue
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this path? even if that is the case, it doesn't clear president trump by any means because democrats could take over the house if they do, and mueller puts out some report saying he did not follow typical guidelines, he tried to cover something up. they could very well impeach him skpe and he's going to be trouble in that one, too. >> there is no public evidence of collusion for the president. there is evidence of a lot of contacts before the campaign, during the campaign and during the transition. contacts make a lot of people say, that's at least stupid, if nothing else. k why did you take that meeting? mueller appointed one year ago by rod rosenstein. just one month ago, the fbi director up on capitol hill, christopher wray knows a lot about what rob mueller is doing, because when he needs the fbi, he goes to them and says, you can have these guys back.
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is it a witch hunt? >> the russian investigation is not a witch hunt. it's been about ten months here, far more immersed in the details of the fbi. is that still your opinion? >> yes. >> one-word answer there. he knows the boss isn't going to like that but at least he mans up and answers. >> he's done that repeatedly throughout his tenure. first and foremost, the president knows a news hook when he sees one. he's as steeped in this as we are, and he knew the birthday of the investigation was the time to do this. one, he attacks it, and two, we are having an occasion of the year anniversary. i for one would like to know what happened pre-20 hipre-2018. and then third, like throughout
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this process with mccabe and with others, there is an ig report coming on fbi conduct. that's not the mueller thing, but i think some of what he conflates in all of this is some of the conduct he has a point about sometimes. >> he does, and he has a point of legitimate questions that are separate from him and he tries to use that to undermine anything about him. no, if you're under an investigation and it's a legitimate investigation, which this is, prosecutors don't have to tell you anything while they're investigating you. we know in the manafort case, paul manafort, the former trump campaign chairman, has challenged a judge's mandate. they have submitted to that federal court in virginia the full rosenstein memo on august 2 that he wrote to robert mueller essentially detailing the investigation. rod rosenstein, when bob mueller
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was given his charge, when comey was fired, bob mueller said, we're going to have a special counsel. it outlines what they knew and where rosenstein is allowed to go. but the judge will see this. i don't suspect we will see this, do we? >> no, not at this point. we would love to see it, obviously, and that part lays out specifically that rosenstein was able to look into president trump's business dealings. we've seen the unredacted version submitted. we would love to get our hands on the whole thing. and one thing we should note as we hit this one-year anniversary is a year in an investigation like this is actually not very long. when you're looking at a white collar investigation, which is again a portion of what mueller is looking at, those investigations tend to last for longer than a year. it certainly seems like a long time to the american public. it seems like a lifetime in the
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news cycle, but in terms of a white collar investigation, not that long. >> i will make the note to show you what happened to bill clinton and i'm not sure they were complaining how long it was going on. how do you get a docket on the house floor when the leaders don't want one? the democrats have a plan and some think it just might work. this this this this is my body of proof. proof of less joint pain and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can take on psoriatic arthritis with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and
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remarkable moment on capitol hill just a few moments ago. speaker paul ryan publicly appealing to republicans who are trying to force his hand and force a vote to protect the so-called dreamers. >> we've been laboring to get 218. it's clear we don't have 218 for a specific bill. that is why members are trying to figure out how can they get their version of what they think should happen to the floor.
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i think it's futile to bring a discharge to that would guarantee nothing goes into law. so we're trying to address our members' concerns and have a process that could actually get law. >> the moderate republicans don't buy that. they don't think they're working hard to get a plan they can pass. listen to rachel from politico at the meeting of house republicans yesterday. mccarthy saying, quote, if the election was today, we win. if you want to press intensity, this is the number one way to do it. we can debate internally, but don't let somebody like nancy -- meaning nancy pelosi -- decide our future. after that meeting yesterday, two more signed on to the so-called discharge position. can they do this or will there be more debate? >> there will definitely be a vote on this.
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they have the votes, they can do it today if they want to. there is actually an interesting back story here which is centrist republicans saw this as a hail mary. there is thinking that if they try to force this issue and put leadership on the spot, potentially president trump would reopen these negotiations, get his wall, he's been tweeting about his wall, fix daca and avoid a potential shutdown happening this fall because the president says he's not going to sign a spending bill until he gets his law a month before election. the truth is speaker paul ryan himself wants a solution. he even was open to this. he was open to doing a bipartisan deal. but you have people like mccarthy, steve scalise, who are hearing the conservatives and are worried it will destabilize the base. it will be embarrassing but
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they're not going to get this passed. >> especially at this point in an election year, it's not going to happen until and if the president comes out and says, i will sign this, and then says the same thing the next day, the same thing the next day and the same thing the next day which has never happened in this trump presidency even for a day or two. >> and then you hear the president saying he's going to put up a fight for it. in august, even that's not quite what was happening. i think the president has believed for a while that the fight for the wall is more beneficial for him than actually striking a deal that gets him a wall. he had an opportunity earlier this year to get the wall. the fight for it is what which you weres up the base, that's what gets people going. it's hard for me to see the president, even in august, wanting to come up with a compromise that was immediately attacked in conservative media as being milquetoast.
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he's simply saying, they aren't giving me their wall. >> in an election year, they need the conservative base to come out. a lot of trump voters dislike speaker paul ryan and mitch mccarthy. 11 of the 20 are districts carried by hillary clinton. that's part of the politics. they want to go home and win reelection. they live in much more difficult districts than the conservatives for which this is amnesty. i guess the question, the republicans wish they had dealt with this a long time ago so they weren't dealing with it so close to election? >> isn't that what we ask ourselves any time we're near an election? we see this playing out again and again and again with the republican party every time they get close to election, whether it's a presidential.
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if this does go out in whispers without anything actually happening. again, if trump is reelected, after he serves two terms in office, they're going to say to themselves, can we really have another election where we can win with a candidate like donald trump running on such strict policies or do we anger the base? >> you see that democratic intensity is higher than republican intensity this far into the election year. nancy pelosi thinks one way to get there is for latinos and african-americans to come out on this. she says they'll campaign on this and the republicans, yet again, fail to do it. >> we're very close now. the speaker should maintain control of the floor by just bringing the bill up. but that's their own negotiation
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over there. i think we have 99% of our members to be signing on and we'll have conversations with the others about what the equities are. they think they win either way. if they get the bill, they have a policy piece. >> and i think a telegraph message is probably not what she wants to see, moving barred. it couldn't give. because it is bipartisan and simple, it will never come to pass. >> that's very well put. for us, when we come back, they say bob mueller has gone rogue. at the one-year mark, is there anything to their case? no. with claim rateguard your rates won't go up just beacuase of a claim.
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some breaking news on the big island of hawaii. the hawaiian volcano observatory warning residents to shelter in place. they say the kiluea is erupting. john, what do we know? >> we know there's been an eruption that's sent an ash plume into the air, and authorities are saying it is expected to blanket the area in ash. the last time this happened two days ago, the ash was nearly half an inch thick. it is not clear whether this explosion is any bigger or around the same. we're still trying to find out that information. but local authorities are saying this could perhaps reach hilo, which is an hour drive from where this crater is. the winds right now are blowing
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in a southeasterly direction, which is actually into a lot of places that are inhabited. in fact, we were just in the southeast where you're seeing a lot of those fissures open up in the earth, sending out that sulphur dioxide gas. on the way there, it was quite cloudy when we were in that direction, the southeast, and it's not clear whether that is from the crater, from the explosion, from something else, but we had not seen that before, and it was quite foggy ahead and that's all you could smell is just that rotten egg smell. it is raining here, so i'm not sure whether that's putting a damper, for lack of a better term, on this ash plume, and visibility is quite low, so it's not exactly clear to me at this point how big it is. i'm trying to get in touch with my contacts at the volcano. but as you know, it's just after 6:00 in the morning here, and the one woman i called was just waking up and she was worried about making sure her water
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tanks did not get contaminated. i was the first to alert her. she thought she heard something when she was sleeping but she wasn't sure exactly what it was. people here are on edge. they are waiting for the big one. they are used to earthquakes which have been happening constantly for the past two weeks. they are expected to continue to happen, and they are used to the odd explosion, eruption, inside the main crater at kilauea, but they're not used to explosions this big that send this much ash into the sky, so people are doing what they can to prepare, covering things, expecting there will be ash, making sure things are not on the ground in the event of a big earthquake. the possibility there could be these massive boulders, the size of a refrigerator, the size of a small car, going thousands of miles, rocks going even further. that is in the back of everyone's mind, john. >> we'll get more information on
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this again, warning residents on the big island to shelter if place because of an eruption in kilauea. when we come back, today is the one-year anniversary of the investigation of the special counsel. the trump team is saying wrap it up. your company is constantly evolving. and the decisions you make have far reaching implications. the right relationship with a corporate bank who understands your industry and your world can help you make well informed choices and stay ahead of opportunities. pnc brings you the resources of one of the nation's largest banks, and a local approach with a focus on customized insights. so you and your company are ready for today. ( ♪ ) face the world as a face to be reckoned with. only botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make moderate to severe frown lines, crow's feet and forehead lines look better.
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. welcome back. dis disgust, illegal, unwarranted. that's president trump discussing the special counsel's investigation. he also calls it witch hunt. he's trying to paint robert
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mueller as a rogue prosecutor to target the president. the facts tell us something quite different. by the numbers we know that robert mueller has interviewed at least 40 people. that's what we know. it's probably a much higher number. 22 people and companies have been charged in the mueller investigation. he has 17 lawyers at least working for him, this is what we know from public documents, and has secured five guilty pleas in that one year on the job. let's take a look at facts we did not know a year ago. we didn't know that there was a june 2016 trump tower meeting. we didn't know george papadopolous knew the russians had clinton dirt. and we didn't know cohen asked the kremlin for project help during the campaign. and we know there was a fisa, meaning a warrant, on the trump
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campaign. we didn't know that a year ago. and we know that donald trump jr. was sending private twitter messages to wikileaks. we didn't know that during the campaign. the clinton/whitewater investigation ran seven years. the iran/contra had an investigation. it ran seven years. the valerie plame investigation, foyer year four years. some went a lot longer. the trump team is saying, wrap it up. kellyanne conway doesn't say there's nothing there, she just says it wasn't on my watch. >> i don't know victoria plame or george papadopolous. i was the campaign manager for the winning part of the
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campaign. i don't know these two people. if this happened, it happened earlier on if you're talking about page and papadopolous. >> if this happened, it happened earlier on, is a hell of a lot different than witch hunt, illegal, unwarranted. what was that? >> i mean, kellyanne conway is a smart woman, and i think she understands that it's important to distance herself from what's going on because this is, as she pointed out in that clip, a real investigation in which they are looking at real things that likely occurred around her. and people are pleading guilty to your point just a few minutes ago. so yeah, there are people in this white house who publicly, for the president's benefit, will repeat "witch hunt," "illegal," all of that stuff, but privately they're trying to protect themselves and cordon themselves off from this investigation because it's expanding and touching a lot of people. more importantly, i think trump
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folks are realizing what they didn't know about things going on around them in a very chaotic campaign. >> i think this is very trumpian, also. it's classic for him, i didn't know these people, coffee, what have you. page carter and george papadopolous were gotten not for collusion. kellyanne is more convince toin me than their actual indictments. >> a lot of trump allies attacking robert mueller. they said, special counsel mueller is everything we value in a public servant -- honest, competent, utterly averse to
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partial partially -- partisan hackery. he has done valuable work, and we repeat, the deputy attorney general was right to appoint him. but it has been a year of acrimony. sometime in the relative future, mueller is going to have to be accountable. >> i don't think robert mueller thinks any different about this. his life right now running this investigation is not a great onement he mon one. he may not be out here holding conferences, he may not be speaking publicly, but he is well aware this is a president that has taken aim at pretty much every level of the justice department who has considered firing mueller as well as his boss, and i think that he is probably high on the list of people who would like to bring this investigation to an end, but he's not going to do that until he finishes his
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investigation. i think that's one of the hard things for them to grapple with, that you can't just bring a conclusion to this. these were people conducting a serious investigation and they want to make real sure that if they have something, they have it nailed down, and if there is nothing, that they can come out and say that in a report. >> again, robert mueller, former fbi director, vietnam veteran, a pro's pro has been at this for one year. republicans used to love bob mueller. a small group now think he's gone rogue. we don't know the latest spending. we'll get it later. $7 million as of december. the clinton investigation cost $83,000, the iran contra investigation $3 million. yes, robert mueller should not be taking his time, but it's not out of the realm of past investigations, not even close. >> and all the reporting we've seen recently is the special counsel is really into the meat
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of the substance of the investigation right now, not that they're wrapping up any time soon. the question i have is the president and his allies on the hill have been saying, time to wrap it up, time to wrap it up. what do they do when he doesn't? because it doesn't look like he's going to. and chairman devin nunes is really cranking up the heat on this. he's trying to show or put the department of justice in the position where they would be held in contempt of congress looking for documents that doj is not comfortable giving over. it's really creating this crack in the republican conference right now, and i've actually talked to republicans who were not comfortable when he went out there and said, we should hold sessions in contempt of congress. i just think it will be interesting to see how far republicans are willing to go to get this to wrap up and what other republicans do to fight back, if anything. >> they don't know, just like we don't know, what mueller knows. a lot of these republicans getting out there on a limb. when we find out what mueller
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knows, they may be in a tough position. my mother used to say you only feel pressure when you know something. witch hunt, at least 41 times, collusion, at least 52 times, obstruction, at least 33 times, mueller, at least 8 times. the sexual harrassment bill. will anyone get in the way?
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only remfresh usesody's ion-powered melatonin to deliver up to 7 hours of sleep support. number one sleep doctor recommended remfresh-your nightly sleep companion. welcome back to capitol h l hill. kirsten gillibrand out of patience with the president. she's been trying to pass her version of the sexual harrassment bill. she's been trying to force action through what is known as rule 2014.
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>> once again a problem is staring us right in the face and we are looking the other way. enough is enough. we should do better. we've waited 100 days and we should not have to wait any longer. i urge my colleagues to do the right thing right now. fix this bill. fix the system right here in congress that is failing our staffers on this issue of sexual harrassment. this wup one is as easy as it g. >> a republican leadership aide telling cnn majority leader mitch mcconnell will allow her use of 2014, which means the bill gets on the senate calendar but it will not be brought up for a floor vote. what is happening here in the sense that, a, gillibrand has every right. it's been 100 days. one would think congress could do its part. but there are separate issues where you have anna klobuchar
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trying to jump into it, too. >> i think anna klobuchar and ki kirsten gillibrand see sexual harrassment change on the hill. members of congress would have to pay, use their own money, to pay for any settlements of people that have accused them of wrongdoing. there's been a lot of resistance to that. we saw blake farenhall said he would not pay money. they said you have to pay that money back. even texas governor greg abbott said he has to do it and he refuses to do it. i think there is a lot of resistance to this. the senate at some point will have to come to grips with the 21st century, and i think it's only a matter of time.
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>> we still don't have lawyers in the room, that is fine, but their biggest objection is they might be held personally accountable for egregious, reprehensible behavior, yeah? >> you can argue about the policy and what exactly is going through the senate, what exactly will make it through. it is just straight up garbage that we have to pay when they do bad things. that is the point of resistance, and they should get over that and move on. >> looking at this whole blake situation, they're saying, oh, that's okay. >> it's the senate and they want to run it often the way they always have run it. it is a male-dominated chamber, frankly, the senate and the house. still very male dominated, and they are going to resist efforts to hold male lawmakers predominantly accountable. >> as we continue, let's put on the screen, these are lawmakers
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accused of sexual misconduct in recent months. some have denied this and there are investigations going on. al franken of minnesota, he left, tim murphy of pennsylvania, patrick of michigan, left. they had to go when the issue became public, but looking forward, why is this so hard? congress exempts itself from just about every law it passes about wages, hours lost, and this one, transparency, an open process that protects victims who come forward, and yes, hold accountable suspects and they have to pay. hello. >> i think we will see changes in the senate. the senate has been a lot slower on this. the house was out front on this. they made changes as soon as harvey weinstein hit the news and people started talking about this. a couple years ago, female senators couldn't even use the
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pool that male senators could use because some of them wanted to swim in the nude and they didn't think -- they should have, you know, first chance to do that. but also just recently we saw senator duckworth obviously had had a baby and she's now allowed to bring her child onto the floor. that was a change made on behalf of women. it's going to take time, but you're right, it's a no-brainer and it's going to change. >> it's election year. you would think they would get it done before some of them are held accountable by the voters. just a thought. what do you get the newest royal couple a wedding gift? a gift from the trumps on the way. we'll tell you what it is. because i am cured with harvoni. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. it's been prescribed to more than a quarter million people. and is proven to cure up to 99% of patients who've have had no prior treatment with 12 weeks.
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congratulations, america. we're now into the second year of the greatest witch hunt in american history. and there is still no collusion and no obstruction. the only collusion was done by democrats who were unable to win an election despite the spending of far more money, closed quote. we're also hearing from the president's attorney, rudy giuliani. he said there was nothing illegal about the trump tower meeting in 2016 involving donald trump jr. and russians. >> the headlines on cnn, don jr. admits he was looking for dirt on hillary from -- >> oh, wow. and they weren't looking for dirt on donald trump? even if it comes from a russian or a german or an american, it doesn't matter. they never used it, is the main thing. never used it. they rejected it. if there was collusion with the russians, they would have used it. >> let's bring in our senior white house correspondent standing by in the briefing room getting ready for

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