involved. >> who knows. there were lot of claims made within the time frame of the sper view. perhaps he can say the special counsel has given them guidance. >> i'm sure they're reporting. thank you very much. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching our special coverage of the breaking news. the texas school shooting continues. continues now with erin burnett on "outfront." "outfront" next, breaking news, the accused shooter in the texas high school ram page set to make his first short appearance this hour as police are searching for more bombs. the fbi using bomb techs to find more. plus the suspect is a 17-year-old who played football. students say he's been showing up to school with a trench coat and pictures of nads nazi sym l symbols pinned to it. rudy giuliani says trump doesn't know. so why are they talking about

it? let's go "outfront." >> good evening. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news. the 17-year-old high school student charged with capital murder today for killing seten people in texas high school is expected to appear in court any moment. it's this high school in santa fe, texas, devastated today by yet another american l school shooting. nine students and one teacher dead tonight. at least another ten injured. and tonight, a second person in custody. an 18-year-old. who according to one law enforcement official is believed to be a possible accomplice of the shooter. this comes as we are learning new details about shooter himself and his plot. according to officials, he is -- he was armed with his father's shotgun and revolver. started shooting this morning. there was panic and chaos. students were running for their lives with their hands in the

air. >> i called my mom and haert four more shots. >> i heard people saying there were gun shots and people were dead. >> i was squacared for my life. nobody should be able to feel that in school. >> to want, a discovery that reveals how much karn ncarnage wanted to inflict. pipe bombs and pressure cookers were found nearby the school and at the school. and they are looking for additional devices at the hour. they are right now using bomb techs, canines, to process the scene. that's what the fbi is telling us at this moment. nearby, veinvestigate errors se a trailer. he's believed to have assembled some of the bombs there. i'm xwoipg to speak to a student who was nd the school when the massacre ban. firs though, to nick. he has "outfront" live in santa fe. nick, we have a court appearance happening any moment.

this hour. we know canines are look iing f more bombs. what more are vest vest garretts saying to you tonight? >> the depressing reality of what happened here this morning in santa fe is now starting to set in. in the community. the federal authorities are also considering bringing their own charging against the 17-year-old thebd to try to send a message and to keep this from happening again. >> we're making entries. >> more shots fired. additional shots fired. >> gun shots rang out at santa fe high school in southeastern texas after classes started this morning. the shooter walked into an art class around 7:30. >> shooting. he's in the art room. we've got shots fired right now, guys. >> nine students and one teacher killed. an additional ten people were injured, including a school resource officer who was shot in the elbow. survivors describe harrowing scene inside the school.

>> all teachers, just run, run, go. like run. me and my friend, ryan, ran to the foy so we could get shelter and that's when i called my mom. >> it's like instinlgt, you're scared, traumatized so you're running as fast as you can. >> an active shooter inside the school. >> if you would have heard what i thaerd heard this morning, the fear in my loved ones voice because of my son being that that classroom -- >> really scary. really, really scary. >> the 17-year-old is in custody and believed to be the shooter. the texas governor said authorities are speaking to two others in connection with the crime. on his facebook page last month, the accused gunman posted a photo of a t-shirt with the words born to kill. in addition to the use of a shotgun and .38 caliber revolver, explosives were found nearby that could have caused much more damage.

dpl zbl there have been b explosive devices found in the high school. and surrounding areas adjacent to the high school. because of the threat of these explosive items, community members should be on the lookout for any suspicious items. >> law enforcement says the explosive devices included homemade pipe and pressure cooker bombs. as well as as a molotov cocktail. sources say investigators have searched a nearby trailer where it is believed the explosives were assembled. the students now have to grp l with being the latest school on a froing his achkted by a mass shooting. >> nobody should have to go through this. and feel that pain. it hurts my heart. to see this. >> about a mile away from where the shooting happens, a local gym where family members coming to try the make contact with loveded ones they have still been able to reach. it was just a short time ago when i spoke to a young woman who said her aunt is a permanent

substitute and hasn't been able to reach her since this morning. this high school after the parkland shooting happened on valentine's day, went through their own scare where they were put on lockdown after a school threat. that nothing happeneded then. but today, it was the real thing. >> thank you very much. and you know, you may have seen on your screen. this is a 22nd school shooting. ted cruz spoke today. he was angry after another mass shooting in his state. >> texas has seen the face of evil. what happened this morning here in santa fe defies words. the agony, the hell the parents of this community is going through. is unimaginable. there have been too damn many of these. >> he's right about that. and they are hurting students. listen to this young woman.

a survivor whose life was changed forever this morning. >> it's been happening everywhere. i felt i've always felt like it was going to happen here, too. so, i don't know. i wasn't surprised, i was just scared. >> "outfront" now, he's a student. his mother gave us permission for him to be on with us tonight. he knew the gunman. he was on the school's football team with him. thank you so much. unimaginable to imagine what you are feeling. >> what happened? >> around first period, we're in first period for about 30 minutes and fire alarm went off. when it went off, we started evacuating. and my classroom is right by the special needs classroom, so they were evacb waiting at the time and usually during drills, they evacuate about 15 minutes before

us. i knew something had to be wrong that they weren't evacuated before us, so as they were evacuating, i held the door open for them and we stood on the sidewalk as we would for a regular drill. when the teacher came running across the school yelling at us telling us to run. so we ran to the highway. highway 6 and that's when stood on the highway, stopping traffic, telling us to get across the highway. so we went behind the building indian automotive and took cover behind there for about an hour as they took a head count of everyone. and after they got everyone counted for, we loaded buses up and all came to the alamo where we reunited with our families. >> i know you knew the suspected gunman. what do you know about what he

did today? what can you tell us? >> i know he was wear iing the same trench coat he wore all the time. and i've heard a lot that he was also wearing a shirt he posted on his b facebook. >> which was that the one we've been looking at, the born to kill? >> yes, ma'am. >> and i know you knew him and you've been, we're loorki inloog at the shirt now that he posted. what were your interactions like with him zm. >> he was kind of quiet kid. every time you try the start conversation with him, he'd just kind of laugh. wouldn't really continue on with the conversation. he didn't really like interacting with other students. >> was he aidan an outcast? was he picked eb? what can you tell us about h rose soerlly in school? >> he wasn't really picked on. he was kind of an outcast. kind of how he dressed.

everybody like looked at him different because he wore the trench coat with the banadges o there. i don't believe he was picked on. >> no but he wore the coat soubds like you're saying all the time. >> when you heard it was him, what have your first reaction? >> i was kind of surprised. i didn't think he would do something like that. didn't seem like that kind of kid. and obviously nine of your fellow students were killed today. a teacher was killed. there are others in hospital tonight. do you know any of the victims? >> yes, ma'am. >> what can you tell us about them? >> there were nice students. i'm sure they're families loved them a lot. school's going to be different

without them. >> thank you. i know it's going to be hard. just even trying to process this. thank you so much for being willing to speak with me. >> yes, ma'am. >> aidan gomez, as you heard there, a student, someone who knew the alleged shooter. i want to go now to art, a former u.s. marshal and juliet, former substantiate secretary. you heard aidan say he was sort of an outcast, but by choice, not picked on. he always wore that trench coat. he was say iing he thought he w wear thg born o the kill shirt today. what do you take away tr that? >> well, i think where the investigation is going now, we look at his facebook page, there's not a lot of information on there, but he's wearing a trench coat, kind of a dark look. i don't know if he had the swastikas on there or iron cross on there, but what doing is

they're outruling a lot of law enforcement out there not just the police department, but fbi, atf, u.s. marshals. dea, anybody on these task forces right now, to assist in what i've been hearing is that they're rounding up anybody that could have any contact with them. either recently or in the past. so people talking to them or students on the ground there. also provided a bunch of intel. so there's a lot going on right now. a lot of information flowing in. and they will nail this down fairly quickly as the to who else could have assisted. >> on this point, row hearing anything? a possible accomplice is now in custody. do you feel they have anybody who could have helped? what else are you hearing? >> they're looking for others

out there. at least one or two more specific people. that either went to that high school in their recent past or currently or in that high school, so, they're casting a wide net as they should to gather as much information as they can because it just appears to me somebody else knows something. they could very well have assisted him. >> we know now about these pipe bombs, right? there were canine teams now look ing for more. he was assembling them in trailer. there were some outside the school. they're looking now nd the school they have these fbis, these canine teams. what are they saying? >> it says two importants. not only because he doesn't have this kind of record we had gotten used to in terms of interactions. >> just need to interrupt briefly. right now, everybody, you're

looking behind that door line is the suspect. the 17-year-old alleged shooter, his first court appearance you can see there. just making sure there isn't anything to hear here for anybody. doesn't appear this is, but this is the first court appearance you're looking at. we're going to keep monitoring this in galveston, texas, where alleged shooter is now appearing in court. has been charged with capital murder and you're talking about why what he di is different. >> the first factor is is of course the ieds. the explosives. that makes me think like as we heard from law enforcement statements today and art is confirming, there may have been others. very hard to plan on your own. you're a 17-year-old boy.

how are you testing it it's expensive. those are factoring into a belief there might have been others helping him. this is a lot like columbine, which also involved two people. >> they appear to be talking, so we're going listen in. sorry to int rupp. >> you have been charged with aggravated vault against a public servant. i'm denying bond on both charge. you have to right to counsel. you have to right to remain silent. tough right to have an attorney present. you have to right to terminate that interview at any time. you have the right to appointment of counsel. if you can't afford, you have to right the examining trial. any statement made by you may be used against you. are you a citizen of the united states? >> yes. >> are you a citizen of the united states? >> yes, sir. zpl are you requesting consideration for a court appointed attorney? >> yes, sir. >> are you out on bond for any other charge? >> no, sir is. >> i'm going to ask you the sign

the front page, which is acknowledging i read your your rights. you're not entering a plea today. i'm going to have you sign a second time requesting consideration to be appointed a court appointed attorney and a third time saying you'll keep your appointments and telling us if you change your address and phone number. [ inaudible ] one more time right here. signature requesting that court appointed attorney. [ inaudible ] sorry. [ inaudible ] next window. over again.

do i need to do it over again? any questions? all right. we are finished. they're going to work on the application later. >> and now they're leading him away as we watch that, taking the court appointed attorney. what's your reaction to that, juliet? he was there with his handcuffs on. >> so the, some justice sort of plays itself out here. in order, he's going to face capital crimes. this is going to be a stay case. i don't see reason why there were there would be federal charges unless we learn something about motivation, which would make it a federal crime, but u i think this will be a state case and depending on if he's talking or not, we understood he was talking

earlier. i think that's clear here. motivation and is there conspiracy ore or others. there are others aren't we can't account for. so just ensuring this day is over. >> art. >> yeah, i mean that just maybes me feel like a standard initial appearance. rights were read to him. answered a couple of questions. the part of all initial appearances. she was denied bail based on not only the homicides, but also the assault on the two resource officers which were public officials. so this is what we see in any crime like this. i think from this point on, we just move on from here and hopefully, law enforcement was able to get some information. >> right and of course, they're in a race because they don't know how much of these explosive devices there are. they don't know where they are. if anything else was involved.

still concerned about whether there could be risk. what do you say about fact there were so many and obviously none of them went off. right, whether he was intend ed them to later. it's unclear at this point whether that was 100% a failure ott not. but it didn't explode while he was putting they will together. there have been a lot of practice or precursor work. >> absolutely. can't just put these together in day. to the extent no one knew this was about to happen, there were activities he did to purchase the explosive materials. i will say one thing that those of us who have been looking at these school shootings for a while there's been troublesome, is very similar to to terrorist organizations in which they had to keep upping the ante because you can't just be a terrorist. that's what led to al-qaeda using four airplanes.

in the school shooting instance, you're not seeing just school shootings, you've seen one person now try the wraratchet uo say i'm not just a school shooterment i'm something bigger. >> thank you both and next, our break iing news coverage continues. we are just learning that neighbors of the sunted shooter reported hearing an expeloloese this morning. details on that and students injureded. some of them tonight still fighting for their lives. we have the latest on their condition. we'll go to the hospital and president trump accusing the feds of planning to spy on michig his campaign. his attorney says they have no idea if that is true. ♪

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police say he was haarmed with and revolver. they belonged to his father. investigators are looking into explosive devices found in the school and in a vehicle believed to have been assembled in the trailer you see there. right now, their fbi teams trying to find more explosives. they're talking to others possibly that could have been involved or known something. the question is, could anyone have known what happened and why did he do this? who is he? alex is is "outfront." >> tonight, the shooter in custody. wearing a jail's orange jump suit. in some photos, he looks like a typical teenager with peace and love symbols on a black baseball cap. his actions on friday were anything but and his social media profiles are now offering clues to a dark side. less that be b three years ago , he posted this t-shirt. born to kill.

the same day, another image ozi which he said stood for bravery. then a hammer and sickle. possibly the coat he was known to often wear. >> doesn't talk the many people either. keeps to hymn. wears a trench coat every day and it's like 90 degrees out here. >> and on his instagram account, the tools of death. a pistol and serrated knife laying on a bed. the caption reading hi followed by an expletive. today, authorities said a second young man, 18 years old, was arrested as a possible aliss. the shooter they said had two guns and authorities found explosives in and near the school. the governor of tech added the guns used, a shotgun and .38 revolver were his fathers and legally bought. journal written by say he

planned to commit suicide after the attack. >> he has information contained in journals that not only did he want to commit the shooting, but suicide after the shooting. as you know, he gave himself up. and admitted he didn't have the courage to commit is suicide. he wanted to take his own life earlier. gl it was also on facebook that he is confirmed he went to santa fe high school. he claimed he would be joins the ha arena, writing he'd start next year, though marines said they don't have a record of him. he had played ton jv b football team. he was a standout player. and at one point, in sixth grade, a standout student as well. on the honor roll. >> the only red flag that the authorities say was around him was that t-shirt which said born to kill and that warning sign wass was posted on april 30th was

missed. there were no arrests, no criminal record. he had what governor abbott called a clean slate. now that facebook page has been taken down today by the company. >> thank you. and now, casey jordan along with fbi assistant director. chris, let me start with the breaking news here. atf acts say neighbors have said their heard an eck ploegs at the shot shooter's home at about 5:40 a.m. that was about two hours before this began. what does that say to you? >> yeah, it raises questions about what he was doing. obviously, there was a lot of preplanning here. i'm hearing reports of a pressure cooker bomb. other types of bombs. you can't learn how to do that

in school at age 17. you learn that on the internet and other sources. i goes back several weeks. he has two parents guns. you have to wonder how he got thosened who was paying attention to what he was doing. not going to, this isn't parkland where you had all the red flags pop up, but people are always, people that are closest to the shooter are noticing things and should be picking up on things, particularly the parents in this case. >> and on this point, we don't know much, but 5:40 a.m. is a time neighbors would be home. parents would ordinarily be home. we don't know what their hours were, but we know the guns he had on him today were his father's. >> right. >> but we don't know anything b about what law enforcement had been able to learn from his family or parents. >> i am sort of impressed by how quickly we've gotten a lot of good information but we don't know anything b about his family situation. a lot of the things we look at are not just the personality, but the family situation, the social situation, peers and what they're doing media, online.

that sort of thing. the big missing link is the family. but you've got to keep in mind, columbine kids stayed up all night long building bombs and their parents knew and weren't in same house. i think that bomb going off this morning is what triggered him to choose today to go and do the massacre at the school. he knew neighbors had to have heard it and that means somebody might come around. >> as opposed to a practice, something happened to it because of the noise, wanted to do it today. >> police come around, wonder whag the explosion was. oh my gosh, if they find out all this stuff, i'm going to get caught, so i might as well just, the jig is up, let's go. doesn't seem like it was terribly well planned. the other big question is the accomplice. why wasn't he a part of the shoot iing? did he help him build the bombs? those two big questions. >> and chris, we know nothing at all about this you know,

possible accomplice. we know about 18-year-old young man who is now in custody and b could have been an akomccomplac but we don't know what role this person played or why they weren't part of the actual shooting today. >> serply, we don't know if they're witting or unwitting. we don't know whether this person shared in idealology, whatever it was. he was he had some dark side to him, the trench coats. perhaps looking back on columbine. as i said, there's always sort of a social network around these people who aren't in the best position to pick up on red flags. just didn't happen in this case. i will say though going off in another direction, it's very fortuitous we had a school resource officer in place and i think a best practice as i go around and do school security assessments. >> you'd rather have them than

not. not trying get into politics here. these things shouldn't be happening to begin with and you had ten people killed today. casey, the governor says trk governor of texas says they were nonexistent or imper september bable red flags. i want to play what he said. >> and here, the red flag warnings were either nonexistent or very imperceptible. there is from his facebook page, a t-shirt that says born to kill. that would be maybe the only if not the poforemost warning sign. zpl b obviously, the governor wouldn't be speaking if he weren't confident about that. >> is it possible they're really confident to say there were no warnings. >> if his father had some in the how's, that's the number one thing that should be considered a red flag. >> kids are always especially in

the teenage years, tend o flirt with expression. they love their first amendment rights, to look rebellious and angry and latch on to dark things. i have worked in high schools. there are kids with far darker pasts than this. but the point, the warning signs we always find after the fact. the question is who is watching for them as they go. are the parents aware of what's happeni happening, what he's doing in the middle of night, what kind of websites he's on, what kind of music he listens to. >> we don't have thoes answers. we had just seen the 17-year-old shoot er appear in court. the first court appearance because as you heard the governor say, he plann ened to commit suicide, then didn't have the ability to do it. the judge henry just spoke a moment ago about what happened in that court and i wanted to pli it for you. >> he apparently was cooperating with the police. answering questions, waived his

right to remain silent. so that's what thai told me. >> chris, what does that say to you? he's cooperating. >> not surprising someone of that age, 17 years old cooperating before the lawyer comes on the scene and frankly, the officers are going to get as much out of him as they can before he gets a lawyer, so i don't expect that to continue until maybe a strategy later after the lawyer, but i expect him to clam up soon. >> and what else are they going to be looking for? we don't know anything about the family. we don't know a lot about social media. or what he was doing or what his relationships were like or in fact if there's only one person involved or if there are others. >> right. what they're going find out, was there a specific event, how long has he been thinking about this. the fact he played football two years ago or was an honor

student five wreyears ago is irrelevant. these things happen in the springtime closer to graduation. about to enter his senior year. the most stressful. he talked about joining the many arenas, but they had no record. did somebody break up with him? what happened that made this seem like the right thing to do in his head? don't know, but we'll find out. >> and the texas attorney general skroins me on the phone. i appreciate your time. a terrible day for texas and for this country. i know you have been broef ed just moments agoful we have seen the suspect appear in court. what can you tell from your brief i briefing. >> there's not a lot new. no warning signs. still trying to figure out if he's missed something that would have given us clues ahead of

time. we're looking at another person and just continuing to do our investigation. >> when you say looking at another person, is it fair to say you believe this person was involved? helping, witting or unsure at this time? >> at this point, i wouldn't want to comment. i think you'll be hearing things shortly. >> all right. so that means there is something to know that hopefully we'll know shortly. >> i'm saying no comment on that. >> okay. are you b looking for others? are you confident that that person, the relevant person has been found? are they locking for others? >> in this type of investigation, you're always looking to see if there were others. not saying there were but we are pursuing all options. law enforcement from both the federal state and local are looking at every possible angle. everything related to his

background. his friends, all of that is going to be looked at to see if anybody participated in helping them. if they're out there, we want to know. >> do you at this point, do law enforcement know how many explosiexplo explosive devices there were? do you know, are they still at this point looking to see if they have found them all. >> they're still investigating and looking to make sure they have found them all. the answer is no. >> to this point about no red flags. what makes you so confident there weren't any? >> just confident about what we know now. this is an investigation that just started today. so it's not going to be over anytime soon. it ma by that after pursuing this with as many resources as we've got behind this, with so many law enforcement people, we may find red plags. at this point, we doept have any, which is unusual. it's just not the typical.

typically warning signs when somebody goes off and does something this whorrific. >> do you have any sense as to motive? >> not any. what's nice as far as finding motive, we have a live suspect and so many of these cases, these people are, they don't end up coming out alive. you have to wonder about this for the rest of your life. that is one good part. >> attorney general paxton, i preesh kuwait yo appreciate your time. >> keep us in your prayers. >> we will do there were ten people killed today. nine students , one a teacher. eight of the injured students were sent to clear lake regional medical center in webster, texas. dr. b medane leads the team that

treated the students. thank you for your time. so sorry about what you have gone through today, what your team has gone through, but i know you've been saving lives. what can you tell us about the patients in your hospital tonight? >> i can tell you that out of the eight that came in, six were sent home. and the two that are here, one remains in critical condition. one of them is still in fair condition. but they have improved. they are improved. thank god for thacht. is that consistent with what you saw? >> yes, ma'am. our affiliate, ktrk, where you are in texas, spoke with a survivor who b had been shot in the head and survived.

the bullet came out behind his ear. we have video here behind this child's head. did you see injuries like this? obviously, it's amazing and incredible this child seems to be okay and released, but was shot in the head. >> you know, some injuries, people do okay. the bullet goes in. hits soft tissue. comes out the other end without hitting vital argorgans. they do really well. unfortunately, not everybody is in that situation. some people these bullets do hit vital things, so there are different situation and that's the two patients we have here are examples of that you said they both improved. what happened this morning though? you all are there, you're always ready for anything, but this is something of course that although it has happened elsewhere, something no one ever

expects to happen. what happened when you first heard there had been a mass shoot something. >> as a level two trauma center, we can provide just as high level care as lev olev ones, so we've been practicing for this. we've been preparing for this type of incident. we have drills and essentially today, we were able to initiate all of the processes we have been practicing and talking about for the last several years, so as soon as we heard that a mass casualty was coming in, we just took action. all the resources came down to the e rrk. our trauma surgeons came down. nurse, tech, lab, and we were there to receive the patients. >> of course you saved so many lives. thauk so much for taking the time to join us and our prayers are with two that you still have and that their condition continues to improve and they will go home. thank you. >> thank you. >> and next, president trump claiming an fbi informant was planted in his campaign.

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new tonight, president trump says there was a spy in his campaign during the 2016 election. trump quotes fox news personalities writing apparently the doj put a spy on the trump campaign. this has never been done before. they're out to frame donald trump for crimes he didn't commit. really bad stuff adds the president. he then wrote reports are there was indeed one fbi rhettive implanted for political purposes into my campaign for president. he asked if true, all time biggest political zandalasiscan. this comes as -- >> here's the issue that i really feel strongly b about with this informan, if there is one. first of all, i don't know if there was one. we're told that. >> by who? >> for a long time, we were told there was some kind of

infiltration. >> very clear he doesn't know. evan perez is "outfront." this is a huge charge being head led. informan informants, spy. what do you know? >> it's irresponsible to be using those words because you know it's driving the president to a place where he might do something about it and the problem is, here's what we know about what this person was doing. this is a person who was a confidential source for the fbi. provided information to the fbi and to the intelligence community in the past. and he interacted with some people who were associated with the trump campaign. this person was not implanted as the president said in the campaign. this wasn't sent as an undercover spy to infiltrate the campaign. none of those words i think woul describe this situation. this person simply came forward and provided information to the fbi. this is when the fbi was looking into what the russians were up

to with regard to the 2016 election. so, all of this is really what the fbi is supposed to do, which is if they see a foreign power trying to sp ining interfere, t supposed to investigate it and if comes in and provides information, they're supposed to accept it and see it and see what matches up. we're told the source came forward matched over information that the intelligence community was getting. >> what you're saying is that somebody was there, had interactions with the m kai, whatever it might have been, who has bed been a long time source. heard or saw something then contacted the fbi. there was no zero placement right or implanting. this perscripti person just happened to be b there. >> the adage of see something, say something, what happened. >> which puts a very different light on that than what the president is putting out there.

thank you very much. i want to go to a former dj official and assistant to james comey. josh campbell. you heard evan's r reporting and what the president has been tweeted. the speculation he's putting out there. with the clear implication it's true and he believes it. spy. >> depends on whose side of the investigation one happens to find themselves. if you are the subject, you're going to do everything you can to discredit those doing the investigation. if you're on the side of law enforcement, then you see a person like this for what they are. >> except for this the president who oversees the fbi. this is his, this is his law enforcement. >> well, it is in a sense and i think i saw him tweeting i think the it was yesterday or the day fbi. and when you get into using the possessive form of a law enforcement agency, i don't think that paints a picture that

he wants it to. when you look at his tweets, he said, this was really bad stuff. an all-time biggest scandal. i think he's right, but not in the way he thinks. i know as a former fbi agent, in order to use a tool as invasive, you have to meet a certain set of standards and get the highest level of approval within the justice department, particularly if you're involving a presidential candidate. the fact that the fbi were able to meet those hurdles, to overcome those challenges and use this informant tells me they were on to a criminal investigation the results of which the campaign may not like. >> francine, you have more concern? >> i do. i disagree completely with josh. he said they had enough for a criminal investigation, but that's not what they were doing. this wasn't a criminal investigation. this was a counterintelligence matter. and the standards are massively different. you're talking about invading american's privacy using tools that are originally designed to collect foreign intelligence from foreign sources. the standards a different.

everything is different. and here, they treated it like a routine criminal matter, but then they applied for a fisa application -- >> you don't know that. >> that's what it looks like. they only applied for a fisa application. we don't see any criminal search warrants that were taken by a federal district judge. it's all about the fisa application and those. and one more thing, really quickly. everyone's talking about this potential source inside the trump campaign. what i don't hear anybody talking about is that oftentimes, law enforcement agencies refer to surveillance as a source. i don't know if that's the case here. but what no one's talking about is that they could very well have been referring to surveillance. >> our source was a u.s. citizen. so it would imply it's a person. i understand your point. i'm not saying i'm 100% sure, but our sources do imply it was a u.s. citizen. >> can i clarify something? >> go ahead. >> you're right in one sense that national security investigations aren't exactly like criminal investigations. but when you look at investigative tools, the attorney general guidelines that

you know very much about from your time there all set the standard for the investigative tool that you can use. and those are the same when it comes to the use of an informant. someone that's been signed up a as a confidential human source. so if that was used. if people were coming and presenting information that they allege was criminal, that could be violating criminal statutes that has to do with counterintelligence investigations. i think it shades things to try to look at two different things. >> there is the question of getting to the bottom of this, right? and when it gets to this, devin nunes, obviously, the thil controversial chairman of the house intelligence committee has subpoenaed the doj. he wants any information that he can get about this person, this source. the doj, the fbi, the dni, they're all saying, no way, no way, because if we give it to you, it could pose a grave risk to this source's life. do you think that's real? a graive risk to this person's life? >> erin, i don't know whether it's real or not. obviously, that's what the doj is saying. unfortunately, when they applied for their fisa warrant, they told the fisa judge that they had extra sources in the media

that confirmed what steele was saying in the dossier. well, it was steele himself who was the media source. so i don't actually trust, and it pains me to say it, i don't actually trust what the doj is saying now, because they've said things all along the course of this investigation that have turned out to be completely wrong. and again, i disagree with what josh said, very specifically. there is a massive difference between a counterintelligence investigation and a criminal investigation. the standards are completely different. everything -- >> with respect, you just made a charge without any basis. you said a lot of what doj has told us has turned out not to be true. what are you talking about? >> well, i just gave you a great example. when they said to the fisa judged that dossier has been verified by different media sources when it turns out that the dossier offer was the separate media source. >> you're quoting the nunes memo. this is something people are looking to and saying, this is a dubious claim. to say that the doj is out of control is a --

>> i didn't say that. >> but you're saying they're telling us things that are not true. that is a serious charge. >> but it's clear that they are telling us things that aren't true. the fbi has specifically said multiple times during the course of this investigation that the release of national security information will endanger national security. and then we get unredacted copies and there's nothing about it that endangers national security. those are misrepresentations that are material to the american public and they ought to know it. >> final word, josh. >> i would ask for examples. that's a broad-brush claim saying that the fbi is saying it's going to cause danger if it's released and if for you to make the determination, that's not right. >> next, we have new details. they've just been released about the royal wedding, which is, of course, set to begin in hours. do not mistake serenity for weakness. do not misjudge quiet tranquility with the power of 335 turbo-charged horses

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the royal bride that just does what she's told, toes the line, bows down. her mark is all over this service. the processional music at the very end is going to be "this little light of mine," sung by etta james, which was a civil rights anthem. the other little interesting nugget is that meghan markle is actually going to walk herself down most of the aisle. she will walk alone. her dad was supposed to be here to give her away. he is unwell and can't make it, so she will walk on her own. prince charles will join her for a little bit of the way, and he will back off, she will walk the final steps to the altar, where she will marry prince harry. she will become a royal. she will no longer be what they call over here a commoner. she will be a royal and her life will undoubtedly change completely forever. >> and they're all there, nick. we only have a few seconds, but they're all there, right? separate hotels, but all there

nearby tonight, maybe sleeping as they await. >> reporter: oh, yeah, meghan and her mum staying about 20 minutes away. they will drive here together tomorrow morning in one of the queen's limousines. >> of course, so many around the world will be watching, with all of the challenges in the world, it's nice to have a wedding for people to join in caring about. don't miss our coverage of the royal wedding. it begins tomorrow morning at 4:00 a.m. eastern. thanks for joining us. anderson's next. welcome. there is nothing good about this evening, but there is much to report. ten people have been killed at a texas high school and ten others wounded. chris? >> reporter: all right, anderson, thank you very much. we're just about a mile from the school. it's down this road behind us. the reason we're so far away is it's still a pretty active scene. as you probably have heard at this point, the authorities found explosive devices. it's one of the real distinguishing characteristics about this particular tragedy and school sh