pushing this are looking at their district, someone like a jeff denham, who wrote an op-ed saying about 25% of the daca recipients are in california. so many of the california candidates having a tough time. thank you so much for joining us on "inside politics." john is back here tomorrow, and wolf starts right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington, 7:00 p.m. in rome, 8:00 p.m. in moscow. wherever you're watching from around the world, thank you so much for joining us. the president of the united states demanding his justice department investigate claims of an fbi source enteri -- interac ingwith his campaign. the president blurs the lines. donald trump jr. yet another campaign meeting with two former

powers inside trump tower in new york city. was it naive, sinister or both? and did president trump blink first in the trade standoff with china? the president on the defense. but let's begin with the legal demand that threatens to become a constitutional crisis. at the center of it all, a tweet by president trump. over the weekend, the president tweeted that he would hereby demand -- his words -- that the department of justice look into whether or not the doj infiltrated or surveilled the trump campaign for political purposes, and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the obama administration. the tweet stems from the confidential source interacting with trump advisers about possible russian ties. but officials tell cnn the source was not embedded within the campaign as the president suggests. let's bring in our cnn source

jim acosta. he says to expand an existing review to include the president's latest demand. will that be enough? >> it may not be enough, wolf. talking to a source who is close to the white house earlier this morning who advises this white house from time to time on its me sssaging and strategy was saying the president was firmly convinced his campaign was spied on before the 2016 election. whether or not any of that was tethered to reality remains to be seen and the mueller probe may put some of those questions to rest, but that is how they feel inside this white house. i will tell you, wolf, there are questions about this informant's activities inside the white house among the president's legal team both inside the white house and outside the white house, i should say. i've talked to many who are inside the president's legal team. and they say, listen, we don't know the full extent of these activities before the 2016 election, and until they get those answers, they feel they

need to find out what this informant was up to, and until this is addressed, they don't feel comfortable answering these questions. the president's tweets do reflect concern inside the president's legal team that they don't really know fully what this informant was up to. >> jim acosta at the white house. we're standing by for more. i know you're working your sources. thank you very much. the former director of intelligence james clapper is defending the fbi's use of confidential informants and slamming the president's department of justice today. >> i would think that's actually very disturbing assault on the independence of the department of justice, and i think when the president -- this president or any president tries to use the department of justice as a private investigatory body, that's not good for the country. a legitimate activity, and an important one, on the part of the fbi.

they use informants and have strict rules and protocols under this. >> so how far do president trump's powers extend for his department of justice demand? ken whaley is joining us right now to break it down. she's a former u.s. attorney, was a former correspondent with the whitewater investigation. kim, talk to us about the president's power over the department of justice to make a demand like this. >> sure. the president under article 2 of the constitution has the power to take care that the laws are executed. he has the power to direct the processes of the justice department. but internally, for many, many years, there's been a separation effectively between the president and the prosecutorial arm of the justice department. because the idea is we don't want to politicize the criminal justice process. so there is lots of guidelines in place to ensure that there are limited conversations between the president and people within the justice department and that those kinds of decisions are made based on facts, made based on potential

harm to the public and other neutral factors that are law and fact based, not political based. >> the president tweeted that this informant was actually spying on the campaign. u.s. officials are telling cnn that this was a confidential source not formally planted inside the campaign. is there a significant difference? >> well, i mean, spying is kind of a charged word. i don't think i've heard any reporting or suggestion from the white house that there was any actual wrongdoing. there are, again, detailed guidelines and processes within the justice department for having confidential informants, so we have people who provide useful information to the fbi and other investigators regarding possible criminal activities. they are generally vetted in advance and they have to be registered, et cetera. there are thousands of them, potentially, and they are there for important reasons, and that is to make sure the american public is safe. >> so if this confidential informant was asked by the

department of justice to establish contacts with trump campaign advisers, two or three of them, how high of an authorization would that require with the f require? would the director need of sign off on it? it's another thing to seek information about a presidential campaign. >> i don't have much information on that. i would think this would go to the higher levels of the branch of government that the fbi dotted all their i's and crossed all their t's in this regard, and the guidelines carefully lay out the kinds of approvals that are required before an agent can use a confidential informant. but they're routine and central to our ability to, as a democracy, to make sure the justice system works. >> kim wehle, thank you very much. an important part of the fbi's

mission, that's director of intelligence james clapper describing the action during the campaign. listen to this. >> this is one of many techniques you can use or bring to bear, the fbi can, in the interest of determining whether there was active efforts on the part by the russians to infiltrate the campaign. whether it was his campaign or any other campaign. the important thing here is a foreign nation, particularly an adversary, trying to influence a political campaign. and that's not good for the country. in fact, we ought to think about it as part of the effort of the fbi to keep the nation safe and secure and protect our voting process. >> here with us now is california congressman adam schiff. he's the top democrat on the house intelligence committee. what do you think about the

president yesterday saying i hereby demand finding out if this informant, or what he called a spy for all practical purposes, was authorized to go ahead and establish these contacts with head campaign officials? >> i think this is the most direct assault on the independence of the justice department, the most direct effort to interfere with this investigation of the trump campaign. it's deeply disturbing. it obviously puts the justice department in a very difficult position. normally you would expect if the congress were trying to erode the department's independence or compromise an investigation that the president would protect the department, and conversely, if the president were trying to do it, the congress would protect the department. but here we have a weak speaker. we have members of congress that are only too happy to be complicit with the president and beating down the independence of the justice department. this is a maerjor threat to a re of law. >> he said in a tweet yesterday, i hereby demand and will

officially do so tomorrow that the department of justice look into whether or not the fbi/doi infiltrated or surveilled the trump campaign for political purposes. and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the obama administration. and he has ordered that the justice department look into this. >> i think they're trying to figure out how to skin a cat at the justice department, how to, on the one hand, not be subordinate to an order by the president, but on the other hand, make sure they don't erode the independence of the justice department. they've kicked it to the inspector general. i am concerned with some of the comments of the deputy attorney general suggesting, we'll look into whether there is any legitimate concern about a politically embedded spy. they know that's nonsense and i hate to see them say anything to give it credence. >> tell me why you feel it's

nonsense. >> because it was never reported. saying there is concern in the white house about this, there is not concern in the white house about this. there is a sense of opportunity. this is a defense strategy. put the government on trial. when the evidence looks increasingly incriminating of your client, and that's all they're trying to do here. the question is will congress go along with it? sadly, you have a few members of congress that are actively trying to help the president with this, and the rest, part of the democratic party, are remaining silent. >> do you know who has been charged with looking into this? >> he has a good reputation. i have to say, though, i'm concerned with one of the decisions that may have come out of his office already. and that is, there was a

decisi decision that he could be fired before his pension started. it is very unusual to say of this broad investigation, we're going to pick this one piece, this one individual, and we're going to put him on a fast track so he can be fired before his pension. the fact the president was openly calling for him to be fired before he got his pension looks like it had its intended effect. if that's the case, then potentially the attorney general is at risk. there are lots of concerns both in terms of the department and the inspector general. but more broadly, we see a wholesa wholesale. >> some have suggested there could be a constitutional crisis in regard to this order by the president. do you see that? >> it's possible. . you're taking more steps to protect yourself, to protect

your family. right now that means hiring more investigators. should bob mueller get too close with them. you could see them firing mueller or firing rosenstein. we could be on that path to a fighting massacre. >> this confidential source, academic in north america and britain, was instructed to go ahead and establish contacts with two or three trump campaign officials to try to find out what they know about russian interference in the presidential election and hacks of hillary clinton e-mails, dnc e-mails. was that appropriate? >> i can't comment on any allegations regarding a source or sources. the department and fbi have said that even discussing that could put people's lives at risk. i can say this, though. i've seen no evidence of a political spy embedded in the trump campaign. i think that's complete nonsense. from everything i've seen, and

i've seen as much as anyone in the congress, the fbi acted appropriately. indeed, if the fbi and the justice department did not investigate the credible allegations that it was receiving that a campaign may be compromised by a hostile foreign power, they would have been negligent in the service of this country in protecting our national security. >> at what level would such an operation, asking this informant to establish contact with these trump campaign advisers, at what level would that need to be authorized by the department of justice or the fbi? >> well, i don't know except i think we have seen that this investigation that was ongoing beginning in july of the election year was kept at such a high level within the justice department and the fbi, it was compartmentalized so that it could be kept secret. any decisions made affecting that would have been made at a very high level. here's the irony of the justice

department on behalf of the fbi, this desire to paint them as correctly as the hillary clinton campaign, and to classify the handling of the hillary clinton e-mail investigation, and to see if there would be a bias you would make an argument about, it would be very pro-trump bias in that one investigation was kept secret, the other one wasn't. so on its face but it's doing damage to its institutions. >> at the swearing in of gina haspel today, the president opened up for all practical purposes. he pointed to the house intelligence chairman, devin nunes, and said this. >> and a very courageous man. he's courageous.

congressman devin nunes. thank you very much, devin, for being here. appreciate it. >> doou you think he's a very courageous man? he's demanding this in a number of different areas. >> i wouldn't call him courageous. there is devin nunes and trey gowdy, georg and it is demandin information they don't have a right to see. in order to give the president cause to fire people, to feed information to the trump defense team, and we have a weak speaker not willing to stand up to them. i think it could be critical how complicit congress was in this all-on attack on the rule of law. >> i have to take a quick break,

but christopher wray, the fbi director said the fbi, or the cia, for that matter, is forced to reveal the identities of these people at risk. do you agree? >> i do agree. i think christopher wray is working hard to keep the integrity of that institution. and the men and women do excellent work, but they're in a very difficult place. a reported meeting surfacing from three weeks before the election, donald trump jr. and two powers that helped his father win the election. plus, a stern warning from the u.s. secretary of state.

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there are new questions being raised about another meeting being attended by donald trump jr. during his father's 2016 presidential campaign. the "new york times" reports that trump jr. met with businessman george nader who said he represented princes from saudi arabia and united arab emirates. also there was joel zamel who attended meetings as well. back with us, ranking congress member adam schiff. so is there anything wrong with trump campaign advisers, including the president's son, meeting with these guys? >> certainly if it's for the purpose of obtaining help from a former power, friendly or unfriendly, during the election is a big problem.

i have to imagine the special counsel counsel has interest in this not only of its own right, this may be a separate violation of u.s. law, but it also sheds light on the president's son and campaign manager son-in-law in their attempt with a trump tower meeting with russians. you also have to be concerned with, why are so many foreign powers interested in the campaign that the trump family is willing to play ball? basically, if we give you help in the presidential election or we support you thereafter, what are you willing to do in terms of u.s. policy and sanctions in ukrai ukraine, wraith respect to zte d china, is it for sale? committees in congress need to be looking at these issues and making sure the president has our interest at stake and not his own financial interests. >> did your investigation in the house intelligence committee look into this meeting with

george nader as well as with this israeli social media expert, joel zamel? >> we looked into it in the sense that we had at least one of the participants in that meeting, reportedly eric prince on this committee. we're not only interested in this meeting in the seychelles with a public banker. but we also asked prince about other meetings they had in the campaign, other meetings with trump jr. and if these allegations are true, it looks like his testimony was either false or misleading. >> were there other meetings besides the meeting in june, trump tower with these russians, and the meeting in august with george nader, jeff zeleny and some of these other guys? >> this is what we were trying to determine. we wanted to bring george nader

in front of the committee. we don't have the subpoena power, and of course we're up against a minority. >> roger stone, a long-time associate of donald trump, he's been outspoken, as you hay well know. he also think he might be indicted this morning. >> i can guarantee you they have found no evidence whatsoever of russian collusion nor trafficking of allegedly hacked e-mails with wikileaks. it is not inconceivable now that mr. mueller and his team may seek to conjure up some extraneous crime pertaining to my business, or maybe not even pertaining to the 2016 election. i would chalk in up to an effort to silence me. i am prepared should that be the case. >> what do you make of his

claim? >> well, i don't know what the special counsel has in mind in terms of roger stone. it wouldn't give me any comfort to know that i've not been interview interviewed. and they both can't be truthful. at times he said he was in direct communication with his son. other times he said he was in indirect communication. no thanks to him, private direct messages between him and wikileaks. special counsel is trying to answer that we indeed tried to answer in. >> ju-- and the republicans

confused refused. >> you think he's a target of the special counsel, and as a result, targets are not immediately called to testify? >> i don't know. he could be a witness or he could be a target. you might leave him for the end if he were a target. you might not bring him at all as a witness. or if he were a very important witness, you might want to make sure you interviewed everyone around him first so you could confront him with certain information. it could be either scenario, i really don't know, but i think one of the challenges that the mueller team has with him, carter page and many others, is they have dils sem natured so often. going against him is tough because you have this statement and this statement and this statement. the president has the same problem. when you line up all the

falsehoods, it's difficult to focus on any one. still ahead, u.s. stocks in a potential high. officials are trying to figure out why a gunman killed 10 and injured a dozen others at santa fe high school.

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the united states vowing to crush iran unless it changes its behavior in the middle east. today secretary of state mike pompeo outlined the united states' stance and its efforts to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. >> we will apply crushing pressure on the regime. they will have no doubt of our seriousness. thanks to the department of treasury, sanctions are going back into effect and new ones are coming. the regime should know this is just the beginning. the sting of sanctions will be painful if the regime does not change its course from the unacceptable and unproductive path it has chosen to one that rejoins the league of nations. these will indeed end up being the strongest sanctions in history when we are complete. >> let's bring in our senior

diplomatic correspondent michelle krasinski. what is your take on this from the secretary of state? >> just words like "sting," "crush" and "pain." this is a good speech, it was clearly laid out. but the plan ifrtself, try to lk at the position the u.s. is in right now, it ripped up the deal that it crafted only a few years ago, infuriating iran and seriously aggravating iran's closest allies. now it's in the position of starting from scratch. it wants to start out with the biggest asks. it laid out 12 points that iran must do, and it was kind of all or nothing. the problem is once you've laid this all out on paper now, these 12 demands, it's going to be tough to go back on them. like when you say no enrichment of nuclear material at all, no

support of rebels around the world, it's hard later to go back ask sand say, okay, you ca support some militia and you can enrich some yuuranium. so that's tough. the u.s. is really banking on this tough sanctions addition. however, sanctions work best when everybody is on board, and already the u.s.'s closest allies in europe are dead set against this. they are already actively looking for ways to help iran stay in the existing nuclear deal. so if this is going to work, it could take a lot of time. the u.s. wants this to either economically crush iran or maybe, better yet in the u.s.'s view, topple the regime but sanctions now, you have to ask how tough they're going to be when the u.s. is virtually alone, potentially, and also when you have russia and china trading with iran.

>> the question now is how far will the u.s. go imposing sanctions on european companies, for example, that deal with iran? >> that's a huge question here. so today, pompeo wanted to lay out, this is what we believe, europeans know our stance, yes, we're prepared to sanction. but we want to hear your input. so they're having conversations. he left the door open to have plenty of exemptions for european allies. europe's take is, okay, well, those sanctions could be tough. let's see where it goes, but in the meantime, we're going to work ways to not only protect our own companies so that they can keep on trading with iran, but we're going to help iran's central bank so maybe we can keep the original iran nuclear deal. >> rochelle ka sin sosinski, it tough story. thank you for joining us. some people are wondering if

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u.s. stocks are moving higher today on news that the trump administration has a new agreement with china which includes a promise from beijing to buy more u.s. goods, averting a potential trade war, at least for now. president trump has been celebrating the deal on twitter all morning, but earlier the treasury secretary steve mnuchin admitted that the agreement is still short on specifics. >> it is a framework agreement, it is an agreement secretary ross has to go over and turn that in to a signed piece of

paper with the company. as i described, this is not a government-to-government purchase order, but we have an agreement with them as to what will be executed and secretary ross is going over there, i believe, next week. >> president trump said china had agreed to spend more on u.s. agriculture products, a sector where beijing was preparing to slap new tariffs on u.s. products. joining us now, republican congressman francis rooney, a member of the house and means committee. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me on. >> what do you think about this tentative agreement with china? >> if it deals with tariffs and things, i'm all for it, because the discussion that's been launched about tariffs around the world is not a particularly good one. we've seen some real positive results from globalization and expanding of trade networks. it's good for our country and good for the rest of the world. >> what about this huge trade imbalance that the u.s. has with

china? the president threatened all sorts of tariffs to narrow that trade imbalance. >> there are areas where china doesn't compete fairly like in the i.t. area and technology area, and i think we should focus on those as well as steel and aluminum. >> what do you think about zte which the u.s. intelligence community is deeply concerned about a national security threat. but the president was saying, the leader of china, president xi, want us to help zte because the sanctions against zte are lose ing a lot of jobs in china. >> the only thing i could see would be a positive result of that is if it's under the table helping with the north korea situation. but it seems a little dangerous to me to help a country that our country and intel says we won't use those votes. >> so you were a little surprised when you saw the president tweeting about let's help zte get jobs. >> right, since the focus has been on our jobs.

>> all of a sudden he's worried about chinese jobs. you're suggesting maybe he did that to convince the chinese, who have a lot of influence in north korea, to get involved in this denuclearization of the korean peninsula? is that what you're saying? >> it's possible. he's gotten china further than anybody has gotten them as far as about china this morning. china must continue to be strong and tight on the border of north korea, until a deal is made, the word is, that recently the border has become much more porous and more has been filtering in. i want this to happen, north korea to be successful, only after signing. i think he's referring to signing a denuclearization deal. >> i think he's saying we want to keep the north koreans pinned down as hard as we can.

>> he doesn't want to make any concessions to north korea, until north korea signs an agreement completely ending its nuclear program, is that what you're hear something. >> that's what secretary bolton and the president have said. i'm sure they know this is going to be more of an evolving cut back nuclear izatiization for o attributes. >> you're talking about john bolton, who in the past is a private citizen, was talking about regime change. the president is saying if the north korean regime agrees to these demands. he will protect the north koreans. >> rex tillerson said that last year too. we are not interested in anything but making korea join the nations. >> you think there's going to be a meeting june 12th between president trump and kim jong-un. >> i may be a little fortunate

that each side is staked out in positions that are absolute at this point in the negotiations. they'll go ahead and do it. the president is perhaps getting cold feet. >> i did see that, but there's a lot to gain by at least meeting with north korea much if you want make a deal, it's going to be another deal like president obama, president bush and president obama made, okay, leave. >> is it realistic to assume that the north korean regime is going to give up its nuclear program? >> i don't think they're going to give it up. the state department and cia never felt he would give up his nuclear weapons. he may stop testing, stop expanding them, and allow verification of what he's got, maybe allow some fuel, in exchange for joining the community of nations.

>> francis rooney of florida. christopher ray and the deputy attorney general will be heading over to the who is in the next hour as president trump demands the department of justice investigate whether the fbi spied on his campaign. new details just ahead.

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conversation. that's right, juan carlos cruz met pope francis, he's a survival of sex abuse in chile. they were discussing that, juan carlos cruz said, the pope's response, it doesn't matter, god loves you like this, god made you like this. they don't normally comment on the pope's private conversations. it's notable they didn't issue a denial or a correction which they sometimes do. the point of the whole discussion is that if the pope were to say, god created you like this, it's going beyond what any pope has said before on the question of gays, and doesn't square so easily with the traditional catholic church

teaching that homosexuality, the inclination to homosexuality is disordered. it opens up a host of other questions on the catholic position on gays. this is the question that is being debated right now, among many -- one interpretation wolf is simply that the pope was having a private conversation with a gay man, doing what pope francis does, offering some pasteural support to him. another interpretation, we've seen in times in the past, the pope doesn't mind if these comments get out into the public was it's a way of changing the public perception, on an issue, without having to change the official church teaching, which pope francis has given no indication he intends to do, wolf. >> the pope saying, god made you like this, god loves you like this. delia gallagher, thank you very much. we're following breaking news, president trump expected to meet

with the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and christopher ray in about an hour from now. as president trump demands the department of justice investigate whether the fbi spied on his presidential campaign. >> thank you so much. here's the breaking news this afternoon. on the president's power play that is threatening to push the nation into a constitutional showdown. moments ago, we learned from a source that the deputy attorney general will meet with the president on this very issue in about an hour, and they are specifically going to address this confidential informant, confidential source that made