president. certainly it's a tricky situation for him to be in. >> very tricky. i'm sure it's causing a lot of awkwardness in this relationship between north and south korea right now. paula hancocks, thanks and welcome to washington. >> thank you. that's it for me. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. >> "outfront" next, president trump and his allies stepping up their war against rod rosenstein, pushing the conspiracy theory that he's part of a deep state against trump. will it work? plus, the fbi confidential source that provided all that information about the trump campaign, was he there for political reasons? and trump threatens to have a sanctuary city mayor investigated for obstruction of justice. a congressman trying to pass a bill that would land her in prison for five years. he even named the bill after her. tonight i'll speak exclusively with the oakland mayor. let's go "outfront."

good evening, i'm erin burnett. "outfront," the president and his allies intensifying a war against the justice department, in particular against deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. trump's advisers, including republicans on capitol hill, cory lewandowski, steve bannon, aggressively painting rosenstein as part of a deep state plot against the president of the united states. now the campaign, our jake tapper reports tonight, focusing on pushing rosenstein to reveal details about the investigation that both the justice department and fbi do not want out in the public. let's take exhibit a, and that is trump's claim that the fbi infiltrated his campaign. the president demanding details in a meeting this afternoon with the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein was there, along with the fbi director, christopher wray. they all came to the white house to meet with the president. and trump's attack to the justice department became a full-on onslaught. here's how it started, with this. if the fbi or doj was

infiltrating a campaign for the benefit of another campaign, that's a really big deal. only the release or review of documents can give the conclusive answers. drain the swamp. now, it's important at this point to say this. sources tell cnn that the fbi's confidential source was not planted in the trump campaign. that has not stopped the president and his friends, in fact, the president's attorney, rudy giuliani, is saying tonight that the president shouldn't stsit down with bob mueller for an interview in the russia investigation until he knows more about the source. giuliani insisting trump could be walking into a trap. the question, is this really the case, or is this just another excuse and stal tactic to delay trump from sitting down with mueller? here's one thing that's been consistent. there's been an excuse, it seems, a day from this white house. it was just three days ago that giuliani had this to say about a

potential trump/mueller interview. >> what is a no-go zone for you, what is off the table? >> oh, 12 hours of sitting there. >> okay, so can't be 12 hours. so now we got a time limit on there. and now there's more. giuliani has other specific requirements when it comes to the actual interview. here are a few. >> what to you would be acceptable parameters for an interview? >> two hours. >> and topics? >> questions in advance. relevant topics. meaning, russia which may not be relevant any longer. then we want a commitment from them that they're going to decide before the end of the summer. >> can't be up to 12 hours. now it's only two hours, and i mean, this is pretty incredible. get the questions in advance. russia may or may not be on the table. seems trump is looking for anything to use as an excuse to avoid the trump-mueller interview. remember when the fbi raided the home and office of michael cohen, the president's long-time

attorney, at the time that was excuse number one. an official telling cnn at the time, anybody with common sense will see this attack on his lawyer as cause to re-evaluate. when all other excuses fail, giuliani has no fear. he will try the stal tactic. he's now telling "the wall street journal" even if all that's met, the sitdown can't happen until after the summit with kim jong-un, because we gotta prepare and we gotta focus on that. excuses, stalling, accusing your own justice department of being unjust. what is the real reason behind this strategy? as we've said so many times, if there's nothing to hide, why not just sit down and answer the questions. jeff zeleny is "outfront" live at the white house. jeff, this obviously is an amazing interview, to imagine being a fly on the wall, the fbi director, the attorney general who is the target of a war from the president at this point.

ask they're a what happened? >> it was a regularly scheduled meeting, but there was nothing regular about this meeting. because the president is indeed doing something unprecedented here. he's calling on an investigation for the investigation, and he simply is trying to continue, many people in washington believe, just the idea of going after bob mueller in every direction. now, we are not getting much of a read-out from that meeting itself. we did see all the gentleman leaving after about an hour or so and they had smiles on their faces. we don't know what that means. but we do know that the white house is going to facilitate some type of meeting with white house chief of staff john kelly, having congressional leaders over to the white house to view these highly sensitive documents here. this is something that the white house has been deeply in the middle of, the justice department has refused so far, but we do not know what john

kelly is going to see. and we're just hearing from capitol hill, the top democrat on the committee is saying, why should john kelly be in the middle of this? should the white house be getting this sensitive information? so i'm not sure this has advanced anything here, but we do know it's unprecedented and it's monday. who knows who will still be working here by the end of the week, any firings, we don't know. certainly could happen. >> thank you very much. i want to go straight to jerry nadler of new york, also ranking member of the house judiciary committee. you heard the breaking news about the meeting itself. they come out with smiles on their faces. but i want to ask you about john kelly, your colleague is weighing in on this. one thing that came out of the meeting, john kelly is going to have another meeting with some congressional leaders and share some of this classified, confidential information, that is relevant to the president's

claim that he was infiltrated and spied upon. do you know who will see this information? >> i don't. what i do know is that it's highly improper and wrong for confidential information about an ongoing criminal investigation to be shared with the president, with john kelly, or with anyone else, or with congressional leaders for that matter. >> you share that about john kelly? >> not just john kelly and congressional leaders. it's outrageous they're demanding confidential information about an ongoing criminal investigation be shared, especially when we hear information that may result in the outing of a confidential informant. that would be criminal. and there's no business for this. i think that this is all looking, excuse after excuse, to give the president the justification to fire mueller and to eliminate this investigation. in fact, this whole thing can be viewed simply as more acts of obstruction of justice. obstruction of the investigation. >> okay, i want to get back to

the point about how they came out of the meeting. jeff zeleny's reporting it was about an hour or so, and you're talking about fbi director wray and deputy attorney general rod rosenstein coming out with smiles on their faces. there's concern the doj may have capitulated. they're saying revealing this source could put his life at risk. are you concerned about capitulation, or do you still have full faith in wray and rosenstein? >> i would hope that i could have full faith in them. i have no reason not to. just the evidence that they were smiling, maybe the white house capitulated and drew back. i don't know. but the fact that they are putting rosenstein and the justice department under pressure to reveal confidential information about an ongoing criminal investigation is an abuse of power by the president. a total abuse of power.

>> "the wall street journal" editorial board makes the argument that this whole concern about this person's identity is much ado about nothing in the sense of, they say the same stories that don't disclose this person's identification, have disclosed so many specific details about the informant, whom we dare not call a spy, but you can discover the name of a likely suspect in a single google search prch. >> well, he was totally wrong to have divulged any of the information, his name or anything else about this person. and that's why people like devin nunes and meadows and jordan and now the president, are acting completely against the law. >> are you confident, congressman, can you completely rule out that this person, this confidential intelligence source, whom we are not naming, was not planted in the trump campaign or trying to access the

trump campaign and talk to anyone around the trump campaign for political reasons, can you rule that out? >> yeah, i think i would rule it out, simply because there's no evidence of that whatsoever, none. and even giuliani said he had no basis for that and no evidence. so i can rule that out the way i can rule out any notion for which there's no evidence. >> you have said that democrats need to wait and see, the bottom line. but what mueller comes up with before you consider impeachment. last week, you were careful to say, i'm not ready to talk about that. the minority leader nancy pelosi has been warning unless there's bipartisan support, that sort of talk could backfire, it could look partisan and political. but there are some in your party who still vocally disagree. here are two. >> are you not psuede persuaded idea that it would be a tactical mistake. >> no, i'm not. >> mr. president, i will not allow the constitution to be

ignored and to a certain extent, trampled upon. i'll bring the articles of impeachment. >> they're not afraid of that word -- impeachment. are they wrong to be talking about it so openly? >> no, they're not wrong to be talking about it. but it would be wrong to do it right now. an impeachment is a very heavy thing, and we have to have the evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors or bribery or treason. there's a lot of indications of that, but we don't have solid evidence yet. when we do, we'd have to consider it, if we do. >> but with everything you've seen, the testimony, the reports you've seen, you don't think we're there? >> i don't think we're there yet. i think we have to wait for the report of the special prosecutor. and i think right now, the most important thing is to protect the integrity of the special prosecutor's investigation from the attacks by republican members of congress and by the

white house, which are obviously aimed at stopping it. and those are acts that could be considered obstruction of justice. that investigation, mr. rosenstein's independence, mr. mueller's independence must be protected as the highest importance now. >> thank you for your time tonight. next, president trump's re-election campaign, sending out e-mails with the subject line "worse than watergate." plus, trump threatening to investigate this woman for obstruction of justice. and now a congressman is threatening her with prison time. the mayor of oakland is my exclusive guest, her first national interview tonight. and more breaking news, new doubts this evening that the trump/kim summit will happen. these details coming from deep inside the white house. ♪ ) it's the details that make the difference. only botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow's feet and forehead lines look better. it's a quick 10 minute treatment

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new tonight, president trump's re-election campaign looking to capitalize on the fbi's use of that confidential intelligence source during the 2016 presidential race. the e-mail titled "worse than watergate," saying the following. . >> classic trump of course to turn around watergate which people have been using against him, to say, this is the worst since water game and i'm the victim. "outfront" now, special agent and former special assistant to

james comey josh campbell and former justice department official francey hake. francey, let me start with you. the re-election e-mail says, look, this confidential source gathered information, worse than watergate, could this be true? >> well, it could be if the justice department and the fbi were using the national security apparatus, confidential informants, using clandestine tools to surveil a political campaign. absolutely, if that's the truth, it's a terrible, terrible scandal. >> josh, if that's the truth, you would say yes too? >> well, that's a problem with how we couch the arguments, by saying, if x is true -- >> you don't like the hypothetical. >> if smart people will realize what's taking place, have you to agree with the premise of what they're saying to think there's a scandal here. in comparison to watergate, it's

really bizarre. if you think about what watergate was, this was an investigation into gross and wanton abuse of power by the executive branch. you had attacks on the fbi, attacks on the press, attacks on an institution of justice. they bandy about fake news, back in the day, it was shabby journalism, which doesn't have the same ring. but there are similarities, so if this is going to be worse than that, i can't imagine what this is. >> so you have this whole thing going on about this informant and how significant this is or is not. moments ago on the senate floor, the senate minority leader, chuck schumer, slammed president trump's tweet, in which he demanded an investigation, basically taking this by the reins and saying, far from me having something to hide, i want you to show me. here's what he said in response. >> the president's demand is a blatant abuse of executive power, and an ill-informed sloppy attempt to discredit the

duly constituted investigation led by the special counsel. >> blatant abuse, ill-informed, discredit. is senator schumer right? >> no. erin, these sort of attacks always make me laugh, although it's a very serious matter. because the president is the chief executive. and if there is misconduct figure on inside the executive branch, the president has an absolute -- not just a right, but a duty to demand that the justice department investigate. and that's all he did. if you look at the tweet, it says investigate if i was surveiled for improper purposes. when you look at all the details that can come out since, with the struck page e-mails that talk about an insurance policy, andy mccabe and his ties to the democrats, and the democratic administration being the one to start this investigation. it's hard to say that it's not political. >> let me say something real quickly. >> shaking your head.

>> yeah. let's dispense of this issue of andy mccabe. you tied him to his wife, with her own political beliefs who ran for office and lost. nice try, but -- [ all speak at once ] >> never said he was in bed with anyone, just to be clear. >> moving on to the next argument, to say that the president is rightfully exercising his authority to oversee the justice department, it doesn't hold water because only in authoritarian regimes does the chief executive get to turn to law enforcement and say, you must conduct an investigation. i've worked in some of those countries and they are not places that you would want to live where national law enforcement has that power and is under the thumb of law enforcement. so you can't simply say the president, as head of the executive, is doing his due diligence, because he's a conflicted party in this. he is the person that's part of the investigation. >> francey? >> erin, there's an allegation that there has been political spying on a presidential

campaign. that is what the president is rightfully demanding an answer to. >> who made the allegation? >> that's what the inspector general, that's what the office of professional responsibility is for. >> if he makes the allegation and he demands the investigation, is that not a problem? >> well, the president didn't make the allegation first. >> who made the allegation? >> it came out in the media. first it came out in the media, confirmed by "new york times" and "washington post" saying current and former fbi sources. josh, your brethren, are apparently leaking like a sieve and saying that the beginning of this investigation was clandestine in nature, which we discussed on friday -- >> but what's the allegation, francey? you've said a lot of words, but you're not making the point. >> the allegation, josh, was that it was political to begin with, that there was no probable cause, certainly no probable cause for a criminal investigation. >> what you just said is untrue. you said there are people in the fbi leaking, saying the

investigation was political in nature. is that what you're saying? because the facts don't support that. >> the media is saying, the leaks suggest there was no probable cause to start this investigation, that it was a cia asset being run at an american presidential candidate. that should shock everyone, including you, josh. >> if it's true, and it's another allegation, this if true. >> and we know george papadopoulos had a meeting with the australian ambassador and that is also how this may have started. let me just read you a quote, francey, from a former fbi agent. she wrote in "the washington post" about this source. relying on a covert source, rather than a more intrusive method of gathering information suggests that the fbi may have been acting cautiously. perhaps too cautiously, to protect the campaign, not to

undermine it. ironically, the fbi's apparent attempt to protect the campaign by investigating russia's efforts quietly is now being weaponized against it. is it possible the fbi looks and said, all the people who are russian agents around this campaign, maybe we want to see what these people are doing in there to make sure it isn't a problem? is it possible that's what it was? >> no, this may be the most ridiculous thing i've heard in the context of this investigation. no one runs a confidential informant against an agency or a target with the intention of protecting them. that is ridiculous. you run a confidential informant for one purpose, to inform on the target. period. >> ridiculous, josh? >> no, it's not ridiculous. let me just say, it's important that people remain in their circle of confidence when it comes to talking about these types of investigations. i'd bet my money any day on that former counterintelligence agent, and what she will tell

you is that when an fbi agent starts an investigation, particularly where a foreign hostile intelligence service may be present, they don't go in suspecting the american is the bad guy. they go in trying to mitigate a threat. so if you're saying there's russian interference or going after the trumps, they go in thinking, how do we protect these people. if that leads them to believe there's collusion or coordination, that's a whole different story. we need to give the benefit of the doubt to those who have done the investigation. >> just one example of where this has been done before. because i have handled counterintelligence, counterespionage matters as well as criminal matters and i have never, in all my years as a prosecutor have i ever heard of an informant being run at a target for protection. it's absurd. >> no, it's not absurd. look at the people who do the job, who are on the ground, working and running up against these intelligence services and who are running these

informants. their goal is not just criminal investigative activity but to mitigate threats before they're able to co-opt americans. >> we'll hit pause there. thank you both. next, the mayor of oakland, trump threatened to investigate her, now a congressman is threatening her with prison time. and another secret meeting with the first son that may be against the law, or does he not care? your company is constantly evolving.

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for five years. immigration hardliner steve king of iowa has introduced a new law that would make it illegal for local officials to tip-off undocumented immigrants about i.c.e. raids. and the threat is, if you do it, you could go to prison for five years. king is calling it the mayor libby schaaf act, naming it after the mayor of oakland, libby schaaf, who has warned her community about upcoming i.c.e. raids. trump pushing the justice department to investigate schaaf for obstruction of justice. in just a moment, she'll be joining me for an exclusive interview, but i want to begin on capitol hill. this bill from congressman king, is it all about trying to please the president who of course has slammed mayor schaaf and made her the face of these sanctuary city policies? >> i think in large part, yes. steve king is picking up the fight for president trump, more so than this bill actually likely becoming law.

we know how president trump feels about sanctuary cities, about how he feels about the oakland mayor. it was only last week that president trump suggested that she should be investigated for obstruction of justice. so we've seen from congressman king in releasing this proposed legislation, it's really stealing a page from the president's playbook by poking her in the eye by naming the bill after her and using the same language as president trump in the legislation, steve king saying this is obstruction of justice and americans don't have to put up with it. i want lawless sanctuary city politicians to hear this message clearly. if you obstruct i.c.e., you're going to end up in the cooler. that from steve king today in the release about his proposed legislation. as you said, this would threaten prison time, up to five years of prison for any state and local officials who do so. >> thank you very much. so now let's talk to the person

the bill was named after, that king is threatening to send to jail, oakland mayor libby schaaf. in her first interview since president trump started attacking her. thanks so much for your time. now you have this legislation named after you, threatening to put you in the cooler. what's your reaction? >> listen, i'm not going to let the bullies in washington, d.c. deter me from doing what i know is right for my community. in oakland, we're very clear about what our values are. we value our immigrant communities. we value diversity. and we will not let anyone intimidate us. we will not apologize for those values. >> so if legislation like this were to pass, you could be going to prison. is that something you're willing to do to stand up for what you believe in? >> so it is not possible that legislation like that could be legal. sanctuary city policies are

legal policies. they've been well researched, they're within the confines of what local and state jurisdictions are allowed to do. that is part of the beauty of american democracy. a balance between local, state, and federal power. and i can tell you that i know a lot more about what makes my community safe than a congress member from iowa. >> so the president of course has picked on you personally, and that's why congress king went after you, right? at the california sanctuary state round table last week, president trump said you should be investigated for obstruction of justice, and i want to play that for you, mayor schaaf. >> you had the mayor of oakland, where i read that you had a thousand people, tom you know this because it was your deal -- had a thousand people together, many of these were illegals, they were criminals, and she informed them, and they all fled, or most of them fled, and

that whole operation that took a long time to put together, i mean, you talk about obstruction of justice. i would recommend that you look into obstruction of justice for the mayor of oakland, california. >> so you heard him there, mayor, saying you warned these people, a thousand of them, most of them fled, his words, said you should be investigated for obstruction of justice. what do you say? >> so i think what speaks volumes to how factually accurate that statement could possibly be is the fact that i.c.e.'s own spokesperson james schwab resigned from his position because he refused to tell lies like that. that is a ridiculous statement that has come from our president. and it's just further political theater and a distraction from actually having the real and necessary but difficult

conversation about how to fix our broken immigration system. >> and they are necessary, and they are difficult. i just want to make sure i understand, when you say what's fa factually inaccurate, is it obstruction of justice or is it that he said you warned a thousand people and they all fled? >> the accusation they personally, that the warning that i gave, which was very general, which was really just advising people about their legal rights, and the resources, as well as the responsibilities that they have, the idea that that caused any amount of people to not be apprehended as part of that operation just cannot be true. >> the president, of course congressman king, attorney general sessions, they all agree on one crucial thing. they say that by tipping off immigrants, officials like you are putting law enforcement officials' lives in danger, that they'll know they're coming into the community, this can cause a loss of life for law

enforcement. are you sure they're wrong? is that fear mongering, or is there truth in it? >> well, there has been a lot of fear mongering by this administration. i.c.e. itself confirmed that there were no injuries at all during this operation, to i.c.e. agents. the information i gave was very general in nature, no specifics. i do not see how it could have possibly endangered any law enforcement officials. >> significant that i.c.e. would confirm there were no injuries. before you go, i have to ask you about something else the president has said, and it's a controversial thing. he's come under criticism for it, but he's owning it. calling members of the violent ms-13 gang animals. today the white house tripled down on that, putting out a press release, titling it, what you need to know about the violent animals of ms-13. the president has repeatedly stood by those words. you obviously have seen this. is that a fair use of the word?

>> i believe that this president's language is racist. it is fear mongering and it is threeing to distract the american people from the job that elect the officials are supposed to do, and that's improve the lives of the people we represent, instead of casting blame and dispersion against a very vulnerable population. that's what we're doing here in oakland. oakland is a very proud, diverse, sanctuary city. our crime has gone down over the last few years. we are working on safety by lifting up our children, getting them college degrees. that's the work that politicians should be doing, not trying to blame others for their own failings. >> mayor schaaf, thanks so much for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. and next, new details about another trump tower meeting that we've learned about. donald trump jr. was there, foreign officials were there. why is donald trump jr. always

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tonight donald trump jr. at the center of another controversial trump tower meeting during the campaign. this time, according to "the new york times," he met with an emissary for two arab sheikhs

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foreign power friendly or unfriendly, during the election is a big problem. >> reporter: for team trump, a bigger problem may be don junior's flare for controversy. that meeting with russians over the same summer, he agreed to it after being promised dirt on hillary clinton. and he e-mailed, if it's what you say, i love it. >> this is pre-russia fever. >> he would later tell conflicting siste conflicting siste conflicting stories about the meeting but insist it was inconsequential. >> i can't vouch for the information, someone sent me an e-mail. >> when he made a business trip to india earlier this year to sell luxurious apartments with buyers promised private meetings, ethics watchdogs howled. >> he's over there, asking people to spend money on properties that are branded with the president's own name. >> reporter: but he brushed off

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and of course denuclearization as president trump calls it, as been a prerequisite on the american side. "outfront" now, charlie dent making his first appearance tonight as a cnn political commentator. we're thrilled to have you. so many things that we could talk about, but this breaking news, i know obviously you've spent time over there, you're familiar with all the moves that are anticipated with the u.s. troops. but obviously this is coming from inside the white house, that they're increasingly skeptical. is this posturing, or do you think this meeting is delayed or doesn't happen at all? >> i think there's a possibility the summit could at least be delayed. that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. there's a lot of work that goes into a summit. henry kissinger taught us, we don't have summits until we have something of substance to announce. i don't know that we're there yet, but we're in a better position. the dialogue is important. expectations have been raised very high.

it's a little bit of a rocky road right now. >> this point that you make about, you don't have a summit until you have something to announce. the president seems to have, from the way he's positioned it, very differently. you do what you're going to do, but then i'm going in the room and kim jong-un and i are going to work it out. but this isn't the kind of thing that you work out in one or two days. to your point, it's gotta be done. >> at the very least, they could announce a framework for future dialogue. we're still operating on a ceasefire, that's where we are on the korean peninsula right now. we just have a ceasefire. there's never been a normal treaty. there's a lot of issues from chemical and biological weapons, to the thousands of shells that are aimed at the city of seoul. >> so you're not surprised if it's delayed or does not happen. the president has said many things about kim jong-un, fire and fury and annihilating him among that. but recently, it's been

different. he's excellent, he's honorable. and when he greeted the three americans who had been released from prison in north korea, here's what the president said >> we're willing to do a lot and he's willing to do it also. i think we'll have a good relationship, assuming we have the meeting and assuming something comes of it. he'll get protections that will be very strong. >> we're willing to do a lot. he's going to get protections that are very strong. that's giving a lot up front before you even have something. did he go too far? >> i think the president has behaved in an unorthodox way. i wouldn't have used terms like fire and fury and certainly wouldn't have called kim jong-un honorable. that said, i want to commend the president for at least engaging in a dialogue. south korean president moon wants to see something happen, the chinese want to see something happen, so we are at a better place. i'm not that optimistic that we'll see a real result here,

but we're better off now than where we were. so again, there's a lot ahead of it. i wouldn't raise expectations as high as the president has, but i do think we're in a better place. >> do you think that he cares too much about this? >> do you deserve the nobel prize do you think? >> everyone thinks so, but i would never say it. >> nobel, nobel, nobel. >> that's very nice, thank you. that's very nice. nobel. i just want to the job done. >> what do you think you'll achieve in the upcoming summit to deserve a nobel peace prize? >> well, i don't know. >> he wants it. how much will that drive him? >> well, i suspect that's in the back of his mind or maybe in the front of his mind. i think it's far too premature to be talking about nobel prizes. we have a long way to go. they have to work out what the issues are going to be

discussed. denuclearization. i think i know what denuclearization means. it means that the north koreans give up their nukes. i'm not sure that's what kim jong-un thinks it means. what about the nuclear umbrella. there's so many issues. we're soawards. i think we need to get something done and if somebody gets a nobel prize out of it, okay. looking to make history in the deep south. >> no she has ever been governor but i intend to change that this year. brighthouse financial

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>> reporter: she's the democratic candidate for governor. but in the heart of rural georgia, a republican stronghold, watch stacy abrams. >> good luck. >> thank you. >> reporter: pose for photos, receive hugs, even tears. and if you haven't noticed yet, every supporter here is white. >> we're in trump country. >> oh, yes. >> do you think that you can win here? >> so here's the thing, i've got to win georgia. that means i've got to turn out more democrats everywhere. we're in trump country. but here's the thing. they're driving around, we're doing something. >> reporter: abrams determined to pull off something no black woman as ever managed to do in georgia or the entire country. >> a she has never been governor in this state. >> no. no she has ever been governor, but i intend to change that this year. >> reporter: trying to crack the ceiling in a place that once shut her out. in 1991 as her high school's valedictorian, abrams was invited to the governor's mansion. >> what happened on that trip?

>> the security guard refused to allow us inside. he said that it was a private event. this man who had this power in front of the most powerful place in georgia, telling me i don't belong there, and that's resonated for me for the last 20 years. >> help me become the next governor of the great state of georgia. >> reporter: abrams plans to do that by taking the blue wave on overdrive, doubling down on the democratic base. women and minorities from black voters. to latinos and white progressives with an emphasis on direct grassroots and volunteer contact. in every corner of georgia. >> you cannot ignore those who already agree with you but feel like you don't respond or reflect their values. we cannot win by pretending to be something we're not. >> don't tell me we can't spread progressive messages. >> reporter: the other stacy in

the democratic race disagrees. >> my opponent, on the other hand, thinks you just focus on democrats. if we just get all democrats out, we'll win. in a state like georgia, i don't think that's enough. i don't think the math adds up. i don't think it's healthy for democracy. >> reporter: stacy would also make history as the first woman governor, but evans believes she needs to expand the base in a year of republicans souring on trump. >> i'm stacy evans. >> reporter: investing in tv early and heavily. >> i think we should take our progressive message to persuade those that are living in suburban communities, that maybe have tended to vote republican, that there is something for them on the democratic side that's going to make their lives better. >> reporter: two stacys forging two different paths across this southern state, both driven by the same vision, a woman in georgia finally leading the way. this race is garnering significant national interest, not just as a test of democratic

tactics but, erin, you mentioned hillary clinton. we've also heard from bernie sanders as well as kamala harris. they are endorsing stacy abrams, but from where stacy evans sits, erin, she says she's feeling quite positive. >> all eyes will be on that race tomorrow. kyung, thank you. the latest in the series "born to run." thanks to all of you for joining us. anderson starts now. >> good evening, thanks for joining us. the president of the united states used the enormous power of his office to lean on some of the top officials charged with enforcing the law and investigating him. there are a lot of new details on the president's meeting with chris wray, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and dan coats, the director of national intelligence, and all that led up to it including the deal it ended with. the question being did the pit himself blink. let's take a look at what this incident amounts to because keeping them honest, we know what this is. we've seen this b