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his decision. >> based on the recent statement of north korea, i've decided to terminate the planned summit in singapore on june 12th. while many things can happen and a great opportunity lies ahead, potentially, i believe that this is a tremendous setback for north korea and, indeed, a setback for the world. a lot of things can happen, including the fact that perhaps, and we would wait, it's possible the existing summit could take place or a summit at some later date. >> the president is reacting to this statement from north korea that said in part, quote, whether the u.s. will meet us at a meeting room or encounter us at nuclear-to-nuclear showdown is entirely dependent upon the decision and behavior of the united states. we could also make the u.s.
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taste an appalling tragedy it has neither experienced noreen imagined up to now, closed quote. the president was also upset that the same north korean official, a vice foreign minister, called the vice president of the united states, mike pence, a political dummy. that insult was in response to this comment from the vice president on the nuclear negotiations. >> there was some talk about the libyan model last week. as the president made clear, this will only end like the libyan model ended if kim jong-un doesn't make a deal. >> some people saw that as a threat. >> i think it's more of a fact. >> let's go to our senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny. he's joining us from the white house. so take us through the decision, the president all of a sudden cancelling the summit, also saying at the same time maybe it will happen down the road.
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>> i think that's the most interesting thing of all, the president clearly leaving the door open to diplomacy. his tone was very measured today as he was speaking here at the white house. indeed, even the words inside via a letter he sent to kim jong-un, absolutely keeping the same measured approach, far different than we heard months ago when he was belittling him as rocket man, so they clearly want the idea of this to still happen. but wolf, in the last several days, about the last 36 hours or so, we are told u.s. government officials are beginning to become concerned, even more concerned than before, because, a, they were not hearing directly back from the north korean officials as they had been the last couple weeks, and it became clear there were questions if north korea was serious about coming to the table to talk about substantive issues. yes, there were concerns about the idea of going to singapore in the first place. yes, there were concerns about kim jong-un leaving his country. the president, of course, that he could guarantee his security.
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but that was a difficult thing to do in practice, most likely, so it became clear over the last several days that there were problems with this. but the u.s. did not want to be left holding the bag or left at the altar, if you will. the worst-case scenario would have been the president flying to singapore and waiting for kim jong-un only to have him not arrive. so they clearly wanted to make this decision here to show that the president is driving this, so pulling back from it, but still, wolf, leaving the door open. again, the tone of the president today i think so instructive here as we go forward to the next steps of this relationship. >> i take it, jeff, the president was also pretty angry at the description of the vice president mike pence in one of the statements from the vice foreign minister of north korea, that minister said, as a person involved in u.s. affairs, i cannot suppress my surprise at such ignorant and stupid remarks gushing out from the mouth of the u.s. vice president,
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referring to the libyan model, if you will, what happened to muammar gadhafi, the denuclearization in libya. the national security adviser had made some other references as well. the north koreans very unhappy about that. look where muammar gadhafi is today. >> no question, and the president, we're told, was incensed and even infuriated with the sharp rhetoric toward his vice president. but wolf, we believe that's not what sunk this. the president often uses sharp language on his own, and it was not simply that. it was also the fact that, we are told, they simply were not coming to the same sort of conclusion here of ridding the peninsula of the nuclear weapons program. they had set up a location for the meeting, but it was still the substance of the meeting that was still at odds. they were talking past each other. and in recent hours not talking
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to each other at all. so i do think the comments from the vice president played a role into it. more interestingly, though, why did the vice president give that interview to fox news talking about libya when the president had said the libya model was not at play here. all of this needs to be sorted out, wolf, but it was more than the vice president's words that sunk this summit, at least for now. i should point out the president has invited reporters back into the oval office. i am told it's not about the summit. it's not going to say the summit is still on. this is an unrelated matter we'll hear about soon, but it is not about the summit. >> joining us from capitol hill, the new jersey senator bob menendez. he is the top democrat on the foreign relations committee. senator menendez, thank you so much for joining us. let me get your reaction. what do you think of the president's announcement that he's scrapping, at least for now, a singapore summit with kim jong-un? >> well, as i said at the
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hearing with secretary pompeo, the art of diplomacy is a lot harder than the art of the deal, and we shouldn't be surprised at north korea's actions. we've been down this road with three different administrations. what this is is a failure of the trump administration's approach, its impulsive actions. the only way that you agree to a summit like this is with very significant preparation, where at significant but lower levels there is negotiations going on about all the key elements. and i went through what we want from north korea with secretary pompeo today at the hearing. what does denuclearization mean? how about the total elimination of their ability to ultimately enrich uranium? how about their ability to not have ballistic missiles and the whole list. and those questions were the questions that should have been negotiated to come to a decision
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as to whether or not a actual deal was reachable and what would be the give and take. that clearly wasn't done here, and i think what the president did is used the remarks by the north korean official to ultimately cancel a summit that he saw was not prepared for and he ultimately realized would not get the results he wanted. that's the challenge i raised long ago when this was first announced, my concerns, and they have come to fruition. >> he testified before your panel today, he was in pyongyang once as the secretary of state, once as the cia director. he had two separate meetings, lengthy meetings with kim jong-un. don't you think he went through a lot of those issues face to face with the top north korean leader? >> he said in his testimony that his total time with kim jong-un was about three hours, of which i know a fair amount of time was talking about the hostages which i applaud the success of getting
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them out. but that's breaking the ice with kim jong-un. testing his readiness to come to the agreements of full denuclearization, of dismantling and ultimately shipping out of the country his nuclear program. of all the elements of ballistic missiles, of not being able to ultimately shoot into space some of the missiles he's been shooting. and all of the rest that's associated, chemical/biological weapons. that certainly, certainly could not have been done in the course of three hours. those are meticulous, painstaking negotiations in which you test the proposition of your opponent to understand whether or not they're truly willing to do so and under what conditions and for what in return. that clearly was not established here. >> do you have any reason to believe, senator, that the u.s. made this announcement, very quick announcement, only a few hours after the president in a taped interview with fox news
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yesterday afternoon thought the meeting was going to go ahead, and all of a sudden this morning, the meeting is canceled. do you have any reason to suspect that the north koreans were themselves about to cancel the singapore summit, and the president decided, before the north koreans make the announcement, let him make the announcement? >> wolf, i don't have any knowledge of that. and i haven't been briefed on whether or not that was a possibility. secretary pompeo didn't allude to any such impending decisions by the north koreans. and so i wouldn't know. but, look, the point is you don't get to this stage if you don't have the appropriate preparation. that preparation would have tested where you set a date, where you set a location, and i just think the failure to do so, that what we're seeing going on right now, the failure to do so is why we're not going forward with a summit, number one.
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north korea may have some complicity in the failure to have a summit, i don't deny that possibility, but it's our job to test it in a proper way to come to a conclusion whether the summit -- and the international recognition that has already been given to kim jong-un as a result of the president willing to meet with him was something that should have been given to him, something he's desired. so i'm more worried that we failed to do the appropriate testing of whether or not a summit should have taken place and the possibility of its success. >> i raised the question in part because in recent days the north koreans canceled the meeting with south korean officials, a meeting that had been scheduled. they complained about these u.s.-south korean military exercises that go on every year. let me get your reaction to another issue i'm hearing about today. the president's response to the chinese company zte and how it might be tied to trump organization interests. it came up and it led to this
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exchange. listen to this. >> given that the president refuses to disclose his tax returns, how can you ensure the american people that american politician are free from his conflicts of interest is? >> sir, i find that question bizarre. >> you don't want to answer it, then? >> senator -- >> you would describe it as bizarre and not give me an answer. >> i think that's indicative of my answer, sir. i have been involved in foreign policy for six months, and it is scurrulously an objection. >> this has been raised by a number of people out there? >> yes, it has. do you want me to tell you who those people are and what their interests are? >> senator udall asking the
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questions. what's your reaction, sir? >> senator udall was asking a legitimate question. putting it in a totally blind tru trust, which he has not done, and not disclosing a year and a half after his inauguration what his tax returns are, something i just recently did as i run for reelection into the senate, the reality is it's a legitimate question. because for someone who said, let me help american workers, helping zte when so many national security questions have been raised about zte is pretty extraordinary. so there are real national security questions here. i know my colleagues in the intelligence committee have been briefed. i'm looking forward to a briefing myself. they have raised serious questions. they say it's a really consequential issue.
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so i think having that type of line of questioning is a result of not having die vevesting, no going ahead with your beliefs. how do you go ahead with trade with china and then say you're worried about chinese workers of zte which is a national concern? >> thanks for joining us. richard haas joins us right now. he's the author of the book "a world in disarray," a very, very timely book. he's joining us from new york right now. richard, thanks for joining us. you tweeted earlier today that the north korea summit was bound to fail. why did you believe that? >> the administration has made clear, wolf, that they would accept nothing less than complete denuclearization,
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essentially north korea giving up its weapons, its materials and the like. i believe there is no chance that north korea would agree to do so. it took the lessons to heart of what happened with ukraine and kwlab a libya and iraq. there was simply too large of a gap between the two sides and no apparent willingness on the american side to accept some sort of a lesser outcome. >> what happens next? do you think the u.s. and north korea can yet work through these differences, and possibly as the president a few times today already suggested, possibly reschedule this summit? >> whether we reschedule the summit or not is secondary. i only want the summit to happen if it's likely to succeed. and i think the only way it succeeds if lower level meetings suggest there is a meeting of the minds. i could sit here and structure some type of negotiation where the united states and north korea could agree on some or
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limited results and kicking down the road some of the more ambitious objectives of the national security adviser, the vice president and others. but the real question is an internal one. it happens around the national security table in the white house situation room. is the administration willing to contemplate accepting lesser partial outcomes or will it continue to insist on everything, and my prediction is if it's an all or nothing policy, we better be prepared for nothing. >> very quickly, do you think the north koreans -- we have seen reports in recent days, and you know this, richard, that the north korean leader kim jong-un himself was having some second thoughts about maybe traveling all the way from pyongyang to singapore, worried about what was going on. do you think the north koreans were ready to cancel the summit first? >> i think they were also uneasy because i think they were worried that if the summit happened, the president would walk out, and they, the north
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korea koreans, would be blamed for failure. i think they were worried they were getting mouse-trapped and that explains all their criticism of the national security adviser and the vice president. i think they were setting things up to also walk away from this. >> richard, i want you to hold out for a moment. once again the president was speaking in the oval office and he said this. listen. >> thank you very much. this was set up quite a long time ago, and while this is a very interesting day we have going, this was very important to sylvester stallone, my friend for a long time, sly, and the whole group. we have incredible people here. we have the current heavyweight champion of the world, diante wilder. he's 40-0 with no knockouts.
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he was a talented fighter, a great talented fighter. thank you very much. if i really went and started working out, could i take diante in a fight? 40-0, 39 knockouts. could i take him in a fight if i went to work? >> you would have to get past those long arms. >> long arms. we also have linda bell haywood, the maternal great-great niece of jack johnson. we also have heard of jack johnson. had a very tough life and an interesting life. one of the greatest fighters, linux was just telling me, one of the greatest fighters in the early 1900s. today as president, i've issued an executive grant of clemency,
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a full pardon posthumously, to jack johnson, the first african-american heavyweight champion of the world. a great fighter, had a tough life. he violated the man act and had a conviction occur during a period of tremendous racial tension in the united states more than a century ago. johnson served ten months in federal prison for what many view as a racially motivated injustice. he was treated very rough, very tough. born in 1878 in gallon increase t -- galveston, texas, he overcame difficult circumstances in the height of boxing. one of the greatest ever lived. both diante and linux told me they studied those tapes. truly one of the greatest that
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ever lived. he overcame these difficult circumstances to reach the heights of boxing in the boxing world and inspire generations with his tenacity and a very independent spirit. congress has supported numerous resolutions calling for johnson's pardon. went through congress numerous times. no president ever signed it, surprisingly. they thought it was going to be signed in the last administration and that didn't happen, so that was very disappointing for a lot of people. these resolutions enjoyed widespread bipartisan support, including from the congressional black caucus. the black caucus supported it very, very powerfully, very strongly, but they couldn't get the president to sign it. one of these resolutions passed congress as recently as 2015. >> so there you have the news. the president of the united states issuing a full pardon, a full pardon to jack johnson, the
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first black heavyweight champion who was convicted back in 1913 of transporting a white woman across state lines. full pardon for jack johnson posthumously done by president trump. we're going to continue to watch all of this unfold but we're going to get back to the top story. all of a sudden the president of the united states cancelling his june summit with kim jong-un, the north korean leader. i'll speak live to the point man of north korea who just left the trump administration this year. we'll get his reaction, what he thinks kim jong-un will do, how he'll respond. plus under way right now, another important story. we're following the u.s. intelligence community briefing lawmakers on the firestorm letting a confidential source who the president suggests was a spy in his campaign. you'll hear who was invited to this meeting at the very last minute. ♪
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returning to the breaking news, the president of the united states cancels the planned summit with the north korean leader kim jong-un. let's assess with our panel. joining us our global affairs analyst elise lavitt, joseph huehn and gloria borger, global affairs correspondent, and joseph huehn is our cnn global analyst. you used to be the point man dealing with north korea for a long time. what happened here? >> i think what happened is that it's clear that the two leaders wanted the summit, but there was so much gap between understanding. in the end, i think the leaders felt if they go to singapore, both kim jong-un and president trump, they would end up looking like a chump. so once i was quick to pull it and that was our side.
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>> you think the president made this sudden announcement this morning because he suspected or he got word the north koreans were going to cancel? >> he got the signal in the past few days that the north koreans were very, very, very uneasy. you saw the letter this morning from the vice foreign minister, and previously under the letter, one targeting bolton, one targeting vice president pence. that was our signal that, hey, we are so far apart, you better change. otherwise this could not happen, you know. so it was a very strong signal, so maybe, and i'm conjecturing here, president trump felt that he should be the one to cancel. >> what are you hearing, elise? >> i agree with joe, and i think we've been discussing that this rhetoric, though, is a symptom of the fact that the u.s. didn't really know what north korea's intentions were. was kim -- originally there was all this euphoria about the meeting, but i don't think they
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ever really knew what his intentions were. we tend to forget these summits tend to come from the bottom up. the negotiators meet for months to try to hammer something out, then the leaders come and sign on the dotted line and have their handshake. this was just two leaders wanting to get together and have the beginning of a new relationship, but i think they felt there wasn't enough meat on the bones of whether this could be an actual success. what was kim prepared to put on the table? so that rhetoric and the fact that the north koreans weren't engaging on substantive matters, they wanted a date, they wanted a location, but when they started to try and get real specificity, they were unable to do it. i think that's why. they didn't cancel because the north koreans called pence a political dummy. they called it because they felt the north koreans were not serious about this process. >> gloria, listen to what else the president said a while ago. >> if and when kim jong-un chooses to engage in constructive dialogue and actions, i am waiting.
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in the meantime, our very strong sanctions, by far the strongest sanctions ever imposed, and maximum pressure campaign will continue as it has been continuing. >> so it sort of sounds like he's leaving the door open. >> yeah. and he said in his letter, which clearly is a trump letter because it made the point that you talk about your nuclear capabilities but ours are so massive and powerful and i pray to god we never have to use them, that's trump. what he's saying here is we're not closing the door, but you guys are going to have to come back to us with something more substantial than we've seen. and to elise's point, this was set up by donald trump because he thought in his arrogance that he could do something nobody else had ever done before, which
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was bypass all the groundwork that needs to be laid when you're talking about particularly the denuclearization of an entire country, just bypass it because you have a relationship with somebody that you can maybe work things out, and i think he's kind of realizing that the groundwork needs to be done first, and it just wasn't. >> we're getting more information even as we speak. so stick around. we have more to discuss. we're also following other breaking news right now. the u.s. justice department holding not one, but two, highly classified briefings after the president's furious and unproven claims that the fbi planted a spy in his presidential campaign. we'll help put the swirs thecon theories to rest or not. ...plusn relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.
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closed-door meetings about one explosive but unproven claim that the fbi spied on the trump campaign. we're waiting to hear about the first meeting that has just wrapped up. these pictures show republican lawmakers arriving last hour. congressman devin nunes and trey gowdy were briefed about a source in the russian investigation, a source that the president claims was a spy. along with white house chief of staff john kelly, fbi director christopher wray and the director of national intelligence dan coats. the ranking member of the house intelligence committee was also invited. schiff also plans to attend the second briefing in the next hour. let's go to our justice reporter laura jarrett. she's at the justice department. laura, what do we know about the information shared with these lawmakers? >> wolf, the fight all along here has been about the documents. chairman devin nunes, the chair of the house intelligence
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committee, subpoenaed for those documents weeks ago, and the justice department had been resistant to turn over the file on this individual, fearing that doing so could put this individual's life at risk. but then the white house put out that statement earlier this week saying that the justice department would be sharing highly classified information. exactly what would be shared we don't know, but there has been a surprise guest here, wolf. emmett flood was spotted here at the justice department leaving with the chief of staff john kelly, obviously the newest edition flood to the legal team for the president. obviously there will be questions about what exactly what his role here. but my colleague manu raju saying he was there at the beginning of the briefing. >> emmett flood a surprise participant in this first meeting, right? >> exactly right. >> are they saying why he was there? because originally he wasn't on the list. >> no, he wasn't.
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we expected to see, obviously, the white house chief of staff john kelly and there had been questions about his role in this meeting. so certainly more to come on that here. >> we'll see what else emerges. laura, thanks very much. gloria borger is standing by. we'll get to her coming out of this. also as lawmakers get ready to start to arrive for the second meeting, i want to discuss why this white house lawyer attended this meeting originally not scheduled to be there and when democrats didn't want anyone from the west wing there. stick around.
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russia investigation. president trump claims that his campaign was spied on. the first of two hearings just wrapped up over the justice department. the second hearing on capitol hill begins next hour, but will either side in this controversy be satisfied with the information we're getting? let's bring in our chief analyst gloria borger. gloria, interesting that flood, the new white house attorney, he was also there for this meeting. >> and he was there briefly at the top of the meeting, but you have to ask why he was there. his client is the white house and the office of the presidency. but included in his portfolio is the russia investigation. so maybe he didn't see the information, maybe he just spoke at the top of the meeting and then left. we don't know, but it surprised everybody that he would even be in attendance. >> why couldn't they just have had one meeting? why did they need to do one meeting at the justice t department and then the same
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officials would go to capitol hill to brief the so-called gang of eight in a second meeting? >> a, they can't be in the same room with each other. b, the republicans initially only wanted to brief republicans. and that is such a breach of protocol and maybe even the statute about these things that the democrats screamed and said, how can you keep us out of this? we are entitled to the same classified briefing that devin nunes and trey gowdy are entitled to. so what you have now is the gang of eight who are leaders from both sides who have the top secret clearance for republicans who will be getting a briefing, but that's the way it should have started in the first place. and the notion that it isn't just leaves you to believe how political this is, of course, because we know devin nunes has an agenda here that he is out to prove about this informant being a spy, and so you need both
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parties looking at this information. it's too bad they have to do it separately. >> at the last minute they did let adam schiff come into this first meeting. he'll be in the second meeting as well. >> cannotexactly. >> gloria, there is a lot of reporting we need to do to find out what's going on. coming up, i'll speak with a republican congressman that helped nominate the president of the united states for the nobel peace prize for his work with south korea. how does he feel about this summit being canceled? he's up there on capitol hill. we'll discuss that and more when we come back. it's the story of our nation.
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more on the breaking news this hour. president trump officially, formally cancelling his meeting with kim jong-un after north korea called vice president mike pence, and i'm quoting now, a political dummy. sources tell cnn his aides were
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infuriated by that remark and the decision to cancel the meeting was made this morning. joining us now, republican congressman steve king of iowa, a small group of congressmen who had already nominated president trump for the nobel peace prize. what do you think now? the summit canceled. was the nomination premature? >> we paused the nomination for a little while. we always knew that would take months to hold, and i'm disappointed by this action that has taken place. i don't think the president's judgment is incorrect on this. if you have kim jong-un insulting mike pence, mike pence is anything but what was described by the foreign minister of north korea. tamp these fires down and fan it out a little bit, cool things off and let's see if we can get back and restart some type of
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negotiations. but i do give president trump a lot of credit for opening up these negotiations, for being willing to accept the invitation that was offered to him, to negotiate with kim jong-un. it was offered, actually, by the south koreans. that changed the dynamics and you can see through this to the point of perhaps one day we see a denuclearized north korea, and we could see north korea like as you know, the north koreans were really upset. both were raising what was called the libyan model, moammar gadhafi of libya gave up his program for weapons of mass destruction, including a nuclear weapon. we know years later what happened to moammar gadhafi. this is a sensitive issue for the north koreans. that's why they were so angry at mike pence and john bolton. did they have a point? >> well, you know, i think
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bringing up the libyan model, if you look at the libyan model constructed under george w. bush's administration, it was successful. then gadhafi met his end. so the unease i do understand. perhaps bringing up the libyan model was not a wise thing in the long run but the first part of the libyan model was working. gadhafi gave up his nuclear preparations. and because he didn't want to see what would happen next. so now it's a big guess on how this works out in korea. but i am still hopeful we find a way to denuclearize that peninsula without war. south korea is so prosperous. they've got such a work ethic and educational foundation.
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they've sent at least 8 million south koreans to the united states for education. that whole country has been rebuilt in the last 60, 70 years. that same thing could be in store for north korea if we could just get past kim jong un. >> let's see what happens. lots of uncertainty right now. let's turn to another issue close to your heart, the issue of immigration. you've been proposing actual legislation that would jail officials in what are called sanctuary cities here in the united states if they tip off undocumented immigrants about sweeps from i.c.e., federal officials looking for these individuals and you've specifically named it after the oakland, california maybe libby shah, who alerted residents about a sweep. here's what the mayor told cnn about your legislation. listen to this. >> it is not possible that legislation like that could be legal. sanctuary city policies are
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legal policies. they've been well researched, they are within the confines of what local and state jurisdictions are allowed to do. that is part of the beauty of american democracy, a balance between local, state and federal power. and i can tell you i know more about what makes me community member safe than a congress member from iowa. >> she says what you're calling for isn't legal. >> i'm smiling. it strikes me there are so many things wrong with that statement. she's got to live in another zone different from me. it isn't this balance about this law. the constitution of the united states, which california signs on to is the supreme law of the land. you don't get to trump federal law by coming up with an idea at the local level. however much research she has,
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we know there are activist lawyers that will write whatever they want but for 20-plus years it has been against the law for local jurisdictions to establish sanctuary city policies. because we have not done an effect of job of enforcing that, we've seen this go to different states and now the entire state of california is a sanctuary state. to know what's more about safety and what keeps the people safe in oakland offer -- over this congresswoman from iowa, i don't think she has a leg to stand on. >> she makes the point if these undocumented immigrants didn't feel safe in going to police and reporting about a possible crime, they would just remain quiet and the community as a whole would be more endangered if they stayed silent.
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your reaction. >> she's the mayor of the tenth most dangerous city in the united states of america, which doesn't comport very well with the assertion she knows more than i did about the safety in the streets. and if we enforce our many grags l -- immigration laws, there wouldn't be the need for sanctuary cities. when people who are unlawfully present in america are encountered by law enforcement, they are to be removed. in oakland they turned them out on the streets and she blew the warning whistle off and saved several hundred of this many from being incarcerated. how much crime is committed as a result of that? the price for that is paid by the victims of crime like kate steinly. >> congressman stoeve kening,
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hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. today the president abruptly cancelled that summit with kim jong un in singapore. we're waiting to see how north korea will respond to that. first i want to get you to an investigation that has uncovered a pattern of alleged inappropriate behavior by legendary actor morgan freeman both on set and what are you finding in your reporting,