they were moving quickly to your point about her history on social media conspiracy theories. people often times step in it on social media. this is one of those really egregious examples. but twitter seemed to be showing us the real roseanne barr. time and time again we see what she truly believes. it's not just barr. i agree with you a lot of people are with valerie jarrett. there are a lot of the barr's targets are all evil, a part of a leftist property there is a lot out there. i would guess tens of millions of americans might believe some of her paranoid fantasies. that's a problem that can selling her show will not fix.

>> i don't think they're panicky. it's a blah tant form of racism. she tried to apologize and say it's a joke. it's a joke rooted in long history of what mlk called the cleanification of the negro. you try to reduce a person they're not human as another person is. when do you that, you are able do anything to that person that kind of short changes their community. that joke is rooted in that it says that there is something about people who are clothed in proun skin or darker ask inthat is less than people who are not. less than et at the timically, intellectually, morally. >> that kind of comparison to the ape. to the monkey, it has very long history. it's not just like oh they kind

of look alike. that's a part of it . the part is that's subhuman. there is no way for her to talk about it. none of us can use euphemistic language about how soft it is, a red state america and how they feelese lated or whatever. that's not what that is. america needs to hear this. it's a very important conversation. stop trying to reduce the humanity of people who are brown him once we start with that, we move away from the idea of modifying behavior and try to modify the underlying belief system him it is that belief system that existed in america. it may always exist. i don't know i see the other lean not going. we keep saying, i can believe

this happened in 2018. i have heard people say i can't believe it happened in 2008 and in 1998. and back and back. i heard people say i can't believe it happened now. yes you can. stop being astonished. when you pretend you are astonished. what that says is that you think that this the not real. >> that this is not happening all the time, there are not rogue people sprinkled all across america. >> then do you think this is, does this, will this change anything? to charles' point? >> first of all i wish i could play it through a few more tiles. it does seem this is a moral collapse in the political culture. that we have been in freefall for at least three years since trump came down an escalator. it wasn't clear where the bottom

was or there was a bottom. i have to edadmit i thought rosanne was going to mike something. today is an interesting day, have you starbucks, corporate leaders step forward people make fun. they brought in the head of the naacp legal defense fun, heather magee to go beyond this one day with a full program. that's important. then you have abc disney saying some things are more important than money. the biggest corporation in media, something more important than money. it could be that the political collapse in the political center is being counter balanced by this cultural movement you were talking about and the corporate sector is taking a stronger stance. i don't think you can get past a

deeper thing a joke a misstatement. this goes to a very deep history and this is touched into that. that's why it's so powerful i think to your point, there are more things than money. abc began to take in ad revenue based othen show this year alone, that's a tremendous amount of money. they said it's not about money. >> apparently their up front prvrng preparation makes rosanne was the first person out before any executive from abc or star from abc. >> that was two weeks ago. she was the digest star on the stage for advertisers. this was a bridge too far, sir. >> i'm not going all the way from it's not about a money thing. i applaud them and i'm sure it's a part of what they are doing.

>> tuesdayers caugadvertisers c. >> people are trying to understand their power as a consumer is different than a voter. politicians can win and make policy and be in power. if a corporation loses a fraction of their profit, five percent, 10%, wait, we can't have this. this is damage for us. we don't want this corporations must respond in a different way and individual citizens are seeing that they have a power that is in that arena that the a very different power than it is in the political arena. >> i agree with you, here's what's difficult. usually we have to go out there. color change has to fire up the engine. they just quit.

>> let's take the case of black women again testimony history is important. it is baked into our fabric anti-blackness, it is strategy. it has been since the beginning of this country. however, black women centered the argument and the activism. blackness is on abc. channing is there there is a combination of dealing with the history and who often sets our moral xachlts whether it's the me too movement. we have been the burden carrying the burden also now we are leading the torch. a lot of this activism that is socially based comes out of the women we decide something is or isn't. that activism caused people to

stand up, organize, so that is the core defining factors. the connection is there are black women in all of this on the side of the attack and at the tavenl when you diversify the table, you difirst voofy the response. >> we can't just talk about this we have to do something. i think until someone with that type of megaphone has to say we can't have this, whether it's racism, it has to stop. no more normalizing these disparaging comments go back to when rosanne change the national anthem and grabbed her crotch and george bush said it was disgusting and made it important

to stand against the type of behavior. until the president puts their foot down, i don't see any change happening. >> do you see free line from this to president trump and coarseing of the culture and the political dialogue? >> in general it's cureser for 60 years. he is driving it in some ways. rosanne was a cookie person with wild views and will be a cookie person with wild views after he is president. i don't think tre is anything unusual for people getting fired for things they say. i prefer to see fewer people fired and obviously there is a line. she crossed it. you can't be a star of a major national program when you broadcast such heinous views. >> but you can be the president of the united states, right? that's the elephant in the room.

we were at those rallies. we heard people chant, build a wall, kill them all. we heard people say that at the time hillary clinton was the c word. we heard them call our president at the time the n word and tense of millions of people still voted. so we can't pretend this is a cookie person. this is a big part of america, it's more popular to come out. when we say it's an outlier or lone wolf or cookie person, you don't get to deal with what happened. >> they tweeted, not about that tweet. >> but also when trump was speaking about her rating, she says, this show is about us. he didn't try to make a separation between him. >> that was about the program. she wasn't saying this on the program. you can't attribute everything she's ever said in her twitter

feed donald trump because he praised her program. not all those people that watch r watched it are not. >> i wouldn't have done it. you can't say because she liked the show that etching stupid she's ever said september 11th truth or all the rest of it is discernly on display. >> i like the dance that people try to do when they separate support for something pr acknowledgment which essence to it o pr acknowledgment quiescence -- aqqiiescence if they said except for the fact that it existed. there would be no shootings in the street by police if people didn't say that's okay. they're not saying, industry is saying this is absolutely

unacceptable to me. >> what was racist in that show. you are confusing. >> that was another conversation. >> i was making that zivenlths it sounded like you are objecting. >> i will make another description. >> that distinction is you are either fighting racism in this world or you are a part of it, accepting it and promoting it. there are no middle grounds on issues like this. there is no middle ground on hatred on violence. no middle ground on racism. >> that was not a racist program. >> that's fine. what i'm telling you is, either you are for or you are against. >> sure. we should be against racism, obviously. >> when people go to the polls and vote for a man that demonstrates white supremecism. that is not me. >> that is a lie. >> it's not about me. >> it is about you. >> i think it's important to extinguish. her personal comments are separate from the show. i happen to like the show when

it began years ago, because it showed middle class, blue collar, hard working loving family who agree to disagree on many issues and represented a swath of americans that didn't get on television because they weren't rich and famous and the table manners a lot of these shows have and represented a lot of america we don't see. that season mean i agree with that she said on twitter. middle class workers are not all violent crap. >> and what about abc did which was brave but foolish. abc was right that red state america was not represented on air. i'm a red stateer. it is true, not enough of those stories are being told. to pick roseanne barr in the first place to solve that problem was foolish.

it was inevitable at some point they will be in this situation. if we continue to fight for muslim voices all represented down the line, that people will say let's do the red state thing with worthy people, worthy voices. >> the president has been speaking. our jim acosta is le from there. i assume the president did not say anything about rows anne's comments, or did he? >> reporter: no, he did not. he made plenty of inflammatory and untrue comments. at one point during this rally he was talking about one of his favorite topics of late the gang ms-tleevent at one point he said the house minority leader nancy pelosi is a quote ms-13 lover. she moves ms-tleevenl that's obviously not true and a pretty inflammatory comment. just as this rally was wrapping up, he ever so gently touched on

the issue of race. he was making a pitch to african-american voters and said african-americans have been voting for democrats over 100 years. anybody can check a history book and understand that's not the case. there was the voting rights ability of the 1960s that infranchised american voters. they have not been able to vote for democrats for hundreds of years him it's not surprising he wanted to stay away from the rosanne issue. this was something he bragged and talking about roseanne barr's success. sarah sanders was asked about this on air force one earlier today. she said the president had more important things to do, they're not going to comment on the controversy around roseanne barr. but, obviously, that's not necessarily the case as we know over the last three or four day, he's been tweeting one untrue thing after another tweeting

about the russian investigation and accused robert mueller of the mid-term elections a comment blatantly false. once again, we saw donald trump here at this rally go after the news media calling us fake news and so on. he didn't stir the pot on the roseanne barr controversy. >> you can't always get what you want. much more ihead what the president asked attorney general sessions to do in the wake of his recusal in the russia probe. why it could change special counsel mueller's view of the case. the special counsel of accusing him in this election what he can't admit the russians did in the last.

>> it's breaking news the "new york times" reported they raided jeff sessions urging him to regain control of the russian investigation after sessions recuse himself, they report special counsel mueller is investigating this robbie did it surprise you, this is new the first time we heard the president tried to get him to unrecuse himself. >> i'm not surprised at all. we've seen it every single step the president has done everything he can to either dismiss the connection

investigation or get it to stop i wouldn't be surprised if this is one of many conversations he's had to scheme sessions into control. >> is there anything illegal or inappropriate? >> it isn't unless mueller's attempts at obstruction dependant by the president at mar-a-lago in march of 2017 enkourng him him mueller will say this indicates the president was concerned and worried and wanted sessions back on the case. why would he want him back on the case? so i think it could pull the time line back earlier if obstruction is the special prosecutor's theory. >> dooupg do you think it

expands? >> i say the president can't use unlawful power. he heights the recusal. if all things are equal. they have total power he would have shut it down. >> this is a deteriorate story, good reporting as always by maggie and the "time's" it's nothing new. the president made it quite clear, he's tweeted about it, talked about it, he's mentioned this isn't anything new, sessions in my view did the right thing by recusing himself. it would have been a conflict of interest on a campaign he was part of. that was why he did it. i think it was the right thing to do. in my view he should focus on something else, if he wants to focus on north korea, let's do.

that. >> i guess the new details after several days of not talking to sessions or returning, discussing things with him. getting him to mar-a-lago over this dinner with which they talked about. >> the time line, comey is fired may 9th. we red this interview when he lashed out publicly about session's recusal. so there was no special counsel, it's a strenuous effort. he says i'm recuse. it doesn't mean you stop the investigation. it may be an appropriate use of his authority. there are more conversations we don't know about. he is obviously a key witness for robert mueller.

what is interesting rudy guiliani says he hasn't spoken with the president about. all these questions and that readout. >> i'm not even sure if the word unrecuse exists in the dictiona dictionary. the reason i say that is in years as a prosecutor or a defense attorney i've never seen somebody unrecuse himself. usually when a prosecutor says i'm out of the case, he stays out of the case. >> the quote guiliani said unrecuse says on the face of it. take responsibility for it and hand him it correctly. >> except the reason you recuse yourself is there is a conflict of interest. when you tell somebody to unrecuse themself, within you have to make up a word for something you are doing that might mean it's not normal. are you in uncharted territory. so when you say, why do you recuse? because as a member of the bar

you have certain ethical responsibility to be an attorney. can you not do certain things. so for the are the to push the top cop to violate the ethics of the bar to do his biding is outrageous. it's so outrageous you have to make up a term to describe it. that's a subtle hint. >> let's remember where sessions was conflicted? he was meeting with russians, it's a campaign clueding with the russians. it's not that he was a part of the campaign, the other thing that's remarkable about this to me this is like the coverup of the coverup. so there is an investigation into whether there was a collusion with russia and the question of whether they were trying to cover it up. right. they were meeting with russian agent. they came up with a story to cover up for.

that now in treeing to get sessions to recuse himself, it's the coverup of the coverup. sometimes we have to remember any traffic of this happening to any other politician, we'd be going bonkers. i knew we argued last week on our campaign. >> a lot of people are going bonkers. we talk about it a lot. >> because donald trump keeps pushing it along. >> the problem is. >> when you needed to agree in quantum physics to explain the theory of the case a coverup within a coverup. it's getting hoard to prove. >> congress has to buy into this and impeach the president before he can be pursued. there may be some horrible smoking gun under there. but if we are really investigating the coverup of the coverup of the coverup, this is a parody of a special counsel investigation which typically

get on to obstruction offenses without an underlying crime. again maybe it's there if i see the facts, i'm change my views. so tar we have seen no evidence of it in mueller's actual work. >> if he has financial crimes, then he is looking for the willful intent on obstruction. then it becomes more consequential. >> it's a matter for impeachment. it's not a crime. >> impeachment is a political process. that is a decision law makers make something so bad the president needs to go. >> that is totally separate from the question whether the trump campaign aided, abetted, allowed, permitted, welcomed assistance. there is tons of evidence. let's not forget. roger stone said he was talking to julian assange. he said he had dinner with him. so if he gave permission, it's

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there is no lead in the polls except by the democrats. according to washington post 13 registered democrats out of 17 on the team, nine plaid made political donations to democrats. one gave the gop as well as democrats according to post. the counsel barred from the service act from taking political affiliation into account when hiring people is himself a long-term republican. to hear the president say a team of civil servants is rigging, this one which is news worry about the russians or the bipartisan intelligence committee before he was shown the door. >> the point is if it's their intention to interfere, they're going to find ways to do that. we can take stems we can take but this is something once they decide they will do, it's very difficult to preempt it. >> it's even harder when the

commander-in-chief is pushing a conspiracy theory. rudy guiliani provided one conspiracy theory ago what the president called spy gate. >> we're defending to a large extepts, we're defending here, it is for public penalties. because eventually the decision is impeach, not impeach. respect the congressmen republicans are informed a lot by their constituents, our jury as it should be is the person people. >> which is hard when the facts you put before them have no basis, in fact. moments ago, president trump's prior conspiracy spy gate was debunked on fox news by a law maker no guess, trey dowdy defended that on the fbi confidential soumplts he calls a spy, he tells fox, i am more convinced the fbi did exactly what my fellow citizens want them to do.

it has nothing to do with donald trump. more now from our legal panel former white house ethics czar, and harvard university's alan dershowitz, a trumped up criminalization endangers democracy. professor dershowitz, nothing to support the president's theory that mueller is meddling in the upcoming elections, is it excusable for him to say that? >> no, i don't think so. i am opposed to it because i think special prosecutors have people with targets on their back and they have to find some criminal felt that. this is not about democrats or republicans, it's about over zealous prosecutors and targeting people. my complaint is very different from president trump's. let me tell you about unrecusal. i had a case where a prosecutor recuse himself because of a conflict of interest. two months later unrecuse

himself because he realized maybe the conflict of interest shouldn't have prevented him from the case. not only that, presidents always want to appoint loyalists to the attorney general starting with obviously john kennedy appointing his brother, reagan appointing his personal lawyer, william smith. president obama pointing a loyalist. i think what we're missing here is that the president was really upset that sessions didn't tell him before he was appointed that he would have to recuse himself because then he would have appointed someone else. >> ambassador, hillary clinton famously claims she and her husband were a part of a vast right wing conspiracy, unlike this psident that pushed a number in commander in chief. >> i do what we seen from president trump is a non-stop smear campaign, lies,

distortions. the washington post has found over 3,000 lice in less than a year-and-a-half in office. but the most questionable ones are the lies he keeps telling about bob mueller that mueller has supposed conflicts, these 13 angry democrats. anderson, when i look at the investigation, i see jeff sessions, republican, bob mueller a republican comey who he fired was a republican. bobcozami, republican chris wray, the no prejudgeing the case. it's shameful. we never seen anything like it in american history, it's no frowned u foundly under mining the rule of law. on the recusal point, jeff session had an affirmative obligation. >> to tell the president he had to recuse? >> alan this is not a close

question. >> let me finish. >> it's a specific question. >> please answer it. >> i will answer it. the president has right to tell jeff sessions that reshould unrecuse. the law is clear that if sessions was involved in a political campaign, he can't work on the review of that campaign. yes, i think jeff sessions was correct not to tell the president. i'll tell you why alan. i am answering your question. don't interrupt me. because the president would have had the hiscy fit we read about in the "new york times" tonight. yes. if he was going to behave for that disdain for the rule of law, sexes was absolutely right to make the call. >> the president would have simply said, sorry, mr. sessions, you are a good man, i'm not appointing you. i want a full time attorney general who is not recuse, he would have appointed someone

else loyal to him just the way john kennedy, just the way ronald reagan, just the way barack obama. >> are you saying jeff sessions is not loyal? >> he's out of the case. >> he was one of the first campaigners. >> you want somebody who is loyal and involved in the case. you don't want an attorney general who can't be involved in the most important case if your administration. i'm not saying that's a good thing him i'm just telling you what would have happened. >> the president would have said thank you, but no thank you, i want a full time attorney general. >> alan -- >> the president should have had that information when he appointed him. >> what are you saying is we do not want the attorney general famously to have cried out in the oval office, where is my roy cohn, one of the most corrupt attorneys responsible in part -- >> john kennedy, back to ronald reagan.

>> alan, let me finish. we don't want an attorney general whose primary loyalty is like a mafia consignaturliare. he was right to recuse. he's defended the mueller investigation. we swear an oath. you know this. with the constitution. >> he was right to recuse himself. he was dead wrong to withhold that information from the president the president is entitled to pick a loyalist. the senate is entitled to reject that choice. if you want to change the law and have the attorney general like in israel or england not appointed by the chief executive loyal to rule of law, change it. right now the attorney general is a member of the president's cabinet. he is entitled to have loyal people in his cabinet as the

secretary of defence and secretary of labor and houses toernlt. sessions was dead wrong in withholding that information from the president which would have resulted in them not getting the job. >> thank you so much. just ahead, checking into the latest swings and round abouts with the possible summit with the united states and north the united states and north korea. i'm dianne feinstein and i approve this message.

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korea. >> there is still a fair amount of doubt tonight whether there will be a summit between president trump and kim jong-un or a glorified photo op. joining me to discuss fareed za kara. he clearly wants to have this summit to be the first to sit down and wants that visual of it? >> i think the occupation put itself as a disadvantage clearly we are desperate for a summit. even after the north koreans insulted senior officials like

john bolton. made clear they were not following the de-nuclearization, trump pulled out but had regrets. the minute he had good news says it's back on track. he is signaling heps the summit, this deal, l i'm all for a good deal. it seems comn sense not to seem so anxious to tweet every time you seem to get good news. he said they sent us a very solid response to my last letter. just let it be. wait until have you the real good news. >> also this former spy chee. there are reports he may have been involved or behind the sony hack that he has been sanctions against him. it's fascinating he is being allowed in the united states for this. >> he is being allowed in new york. that i have a mission in the u.n. so they are allowed to do.

your basic point is right. think about how trump speaks of this man. you think about how he is speaking of the north korean regime, which is probably the most repressive brutal regime in the world. i remember when i was at "news week" we did a world ranking, the consensus was that north korea was the most repressive country in the world and ranked number one. to hear trump talk about them. they seem reasonable, honorable. interested if deal. he cease brilliant potential for them. >> you heard an aspect hasn't received a lot of attention at this point. >> it's important to point out in prisons tens of thousands. >> they have three jen rakes of punishment. it's not just the person who gets sent away, it's the

person's children and possibly their parents, three generations of the family? >> exactly. they ask how can north korea and the whole world has changed and opened up. the answer is north korea is repressive on a scale that is just beyond believe it puts saddam hussein to shame, this is repression of a brutal kind of repression of society as it were? >> it is extraordinary that this could take place still on june 12th. senior administration officials told cnn, that itself in ten minutes, essentially. >> you get back to trump wants this to happen. he loves the drama, the theatrics of it. the problem is many presidents within they confront difficulty,

they real iize the president ha eun new lateral authority. the tax cut is the legislative achievement. it's implemented. there is no wall. the tariff talks continue. so where can he show some progress? and trump thinks about the optics, maybe he's right about that. we live in a visual age. everyone would watch it. >> thanks very much, a pleasure. >> coming up the latest from hawaii. some residents are warned to get out. now the danger has reached others thousands of miles away. lasts through heat. through sweat.

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. 4,000 miles away from hawaii, the dangers of kilauea tornado is now reached guam. the danger from lava ash and haze is still very real. cnn's scott mcqueen reports. >> reporter: yet another stream of kilauea's lava slowly moved into the ocean. here's the spect call of this molten slide seen from our advantage point from a boat. there are boat restrictions in this area and for a good reason. as the lava hits the ocean, it sends up this lava haze, and potentially a danger mixture of gas. and the wind is taking it back on shore. air quality is still top of mind at the kilauea summit, the national park has been closed for weeks as frequent small

scale explosions sent ash thousands of feet into the sky. kilauea is showing no loss of strength. it shot 200 feet into the air above what was runs a quiet residential neighborhood. the latest flow destroyed at least a dozen more homes turning this stretch o paradise into a heat of devastation. officials with the u.s. geological survey waiting and watched but were pour powerless to stop the disaster. >> this is such a different kind of fire because that kind of fire you can actually fight and do something about it, this, totally out of your control. mother nature's going to do what she does. >> reporter: all that lava has to go somewhere. it's already covered two whale head at a nearby thermal plant. officials say the plant is secure. some of the lava headed north, prompting closure of the main highway.

>> highway 132 is being shut down between lava trees, state parks to four corners due to a fast moving lava flow. >> reporter: officials tried to predict when the lava would pass this escape right for residence. kilauea's fury is -- assaulting the big island's air, land and sea. >> scott, how close were you able to get to the lava as it was going into the ocean? >> reporter: well, anderson we had a special permit that allowed us to get fairly close, a hundred or so yards offshore but you went want to get that close because the swells in that area are quite big, not to mention the wind directions can shift in instantly, it could be potentially dangerous. we watched the win direction shift from a northeasterly directions to almost a straight south wind when we were there in

almost moments. how quickly a matter of weeks kilauea has brought and reshaped the coastline down there. we were out there with a boat packed, 50 tourists, we were able to see that information process, the lava up close. it's important to point out that for the people who live in this area this is not a tourist attraction. many of them are holding their breath to see whether the lava will take their homes and cut off the access point. i will also tell you the novelty of flowing lava has worn off, the 200 plus people who are currently staying with shelter and many more who are staying with family and friends. of course they want this to i know, anderson. >> scott mcqueen thanks so much i appreciate it. coming up the story of a true hero saved a little boy's life.

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at the end of a rough day, we thought we'd end with some amazing pictures of heroism. a guy springs into action when he sees a 4-year-old boy dangled from the back any.

the young boy's father left him alone in their apartment. he met with the president who offered him french scholarshcit. time to hand it over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts right now. this is "cnn tonight" i'm don lemon. today, abc stepped up did the right thing. cancelling the hit reboot of "rose ann" after the star of the show repeated something. the words she used and the racist hate behind them matters. she tweeted quote, muslim brother load and planet of the apes had a baby equals vj referring to valorie jared who was a senior adviser to president barack obama. she