anybody looked at her twitter feed arc weakness of the right. it's a weakness of the right. we disdain celebrities but we crave our own celebrities. we disdain popular culture and definitely want successes in the popular culture heroes. i'm at a disadvantage, i've never seen the program. i only watch news and sports. i haven't watched the sitcom since the 1990s. as van said, if you want someone who represents a red america, finds someone better. >> brian, you have been reporting about this all day. what's the latest you have learned about this? >> a sense of pride in abc and disney and how quickly it happened. there was a question about what rosanne might say next. she was speaking about a statement of contrition. one of the producers said i hope she seeks help. we have seen this act before with other celebrities when they say they will try to say the right thing, seek help and mount

a comeback. is that possible? i think that remains to be seen. cle clearly disney beliefs -- believes it's on the right side of history. remember this happened before lunchtime on the west coast. they were moving quickly to your point about her history on social media of conspiracy theories. it remeends me of the old saying, never tweet. never post on social media. this is one of those really egregious examples. but twitter seemed to be showing us the real roseanne barr. time and time again we see what she truly believes. it's not just barr. i disagree with you that a lot of people are with valerie jarrett. a lot of her fans, all of barr's targets today are part of a

leftist plot to take away their power and rights. i would guess tens of millions of americans might believe some of her paranoid fantasies. that's a problem that cancelling her show will not fix. >> i don't think they're pair no-- paranoid fantasies. it's a blatant form of racism. she tried to apologize and say it's a joke. it's a joke rooted in long history. you try to reduce a person they're not as human as another person is. when do you that, you are able do anything to that person that kind of shortchanges their community. that joke is rooted in that it says that there is something about people who are clothed in brown skin or darker skin that is less than people who are not.

less than aesthetically, intellectually, morally. that kind of comparison to the ape, to the monkey, has a very long history. it's not just, they kind of look like. it's part of it. but part of it is that they're subhuman, and that subhuman part of it, you can't get away from that. none of us can use euphemistic language about how soft it is, a red state america and how they feel isolated or whatever. that's not what that is. america needs to hear this. it's a very important conversation. stop trying to reduce the humanity of people who are brown. once we start with that, we move away from the idea of modifying behavior and try to modify the underlying belief system. it is that belief system that

has always existed in america. it may always exist, i don't know. we keep saying, i can't believe this happened in 2018. i have heard people say i can't believe it happened in 2008 and in 1998. and back and back. my whole life, i've heard people say, i can't believe that happened now. yes, you can. stop being astonished. when you pretend you are astonished, what that says is that you think that this is not real. that there are not roseannes sprinkled across america. >> then do you think this is, does this, will this change anything? to charles' point? >> first of all i wish i could

play it through a few more times. it does seem this is a moral collapse in the political culture. that we have been in free-fall for at least three years since trump came down an escalator. it wasn't clear where the bottom was or if there was a bottom. i have to admit i thought roseanne was going to get away with it. today is an interesting day, you have starbucks, corporate leaders stepping forward. they brought in the head of the naacp legal defense fund, heather magee, to go beyond this one day with a full program. that's important. then you have abc disney saying some things are more important than money. the biggest corporation in media, something is more important than money.

it could be that the moral collapse in the political center is being counterbalanced by this cultural movement you were talking about and the corporate sector is taking a stronger stance. i don't think you can get past that this is a deeper thing than a blooper or tweet or joke. this goes to a very deep history and this is touched into that. that's why it's so powerful. >> i think to your point, there are more important things than money. abc began to take in millions in ad revenue based on this show this year alone, that's a tremendous amount of money. they said it's not about money. >> apparently their upfront presentation, roseanne was brought out as the first person

out before any executive from abc or star from abc. >> that was two weeks ago. she was the biggest star on the stage for advertisers. this was a bridge too far, sir. >> i applaud them and i'm sure it's a part of what they are doing. but part of it is about money, too. >> because advertisers will boycott it. >> people are trying to understand their power as a consumer is different than a voter. politicians can lose 49% of everybody out there, and still be in power. if a corporation loses a fraction of their profit, 5%, 10%, wait, we can't have this. this is damage for us. we don't want this. corporations must respond in a different way and individual citizens are seeing that they have a power that is in that arena that the a very different power than it is in the political arena. >> i agree with you, here's what's difficult.

usually we have to go out there and make the case. color change has to fire up the engine. they just quit. >> let's take the case of black women again. history is important. it is baked into our fabric, anti-blackness, it is a strategy. it has been since the beginning of this country. however, black women centered the argument and the activism. shonda, "black-ish," are both at abc. there is a combination of dealing with the history and who often sets our moral compass whether it's the me too movement. we have been the burden, carrying the burden. also now we are leading the torch.

a lot of this activism that is socially based comes out of the black women. we decide something is or isn't. that activism caused people to stand up, organize, so that is the core defining factors. the connection is there are black women in all of this on the side of the attack and at the table, when we diversify the table, you also diversify the response.sexism, or

homophobic comments, it has to stop. >> do you see free line from this to president trump and coursing of the culture and the political dialogue? >> ingeneral, our culture has been getting coarser for 60 years. president trump is driving it in some ways. rosanne was a kooky person with

wild views and will be a kooky person with wild views after he is president. i don't think there is anything unusual for people getting fired for things they say. i prefer to see fewer people fired and obviously there is a line. she crossed it. you can't be a star of a major national program when you broadcast such heinous views. >> but you can be the president of the united states, right? that's the elephant in the room. we were at those rallies. we heard people chant, build a wall, kill them all. we heard people say that at the time hillary clinton was the "c"-word. we heard them call our president at the time the "n"-word and tense of millions of people still voted. so we can't pretend this is a kooky person. this is a big part of america, it's more popular to come out. when we say it's an outlier or lone wolf or kooky person, you don't get to deal with what happened. >> d.t. -- donald trump jr.

retweeted something about soros. >> but also when trump was speaking about her rating, she says, this show is about us. he didn't try to make a separation between him. >> that was about the program. she wasn't saying this on the program. you can't attribute everything she's ever said in her twitter feed to donald trump because he praised her program. which a lot of people who watch, i would say the vast majority of the people who watch are not. >> you can't say because he liked the show that everything stupid she's ever said, september 11th truther, all the rest of it is on display. >> i like the dance that people try to do when they separate support for something or acquiescence to it

except for the fact that it existed. there would be no shootings in the street by police if people didn't say that's okay. they're not saying, industry is saying, this is absolutely unacceptable to me. >> what was racist in that show. you're confusing. i was

she moves ms-13 that's obviously not true and a pretty inflammatory comment. just as this rally was wrapping up, he ever so gently touched on the issue of race. he was making a pitch to african-american voters and said african-americans have been voting for democrats over 100 years. anybody can check a history book and understand that's not the case. there was the voting rights act of the 1960s that enfranchised american voters. they have not been able to vote for democrats for hundreds of years, it's not surprising he wanted to stay away from the rosanne issue. this was something he bragged and talking about roseanne barr's success. sarah sanders was asked about this on air force one earlier today. she said the president had more important things to do, they're not going to comment on the controversy around roseanne barr.

but, obviously, that's not necessarily the case. as we know over the last three or four days, he's been tweeting one untrue thing after another tweeting about the russian investigation and accused robert mueller of plotting to meddle in the mid-term elections, a comment blatantly false. once again, we saw donald trump here at this rally go after the news media calling us fake news and so on. he didn't stir the pot on the roseanne barr controversy. but he didn't hold back, and delivered plenty of fake news himself. much more ahead what the president asked attorney general sessions to do in the wake of his recusal in the russia probe. new information on that. why it could change special counsel mueller's view of the case. and later, a new conspiracy theory from the president. accusing him in this election

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this breaking news tonight. the "new york times" reported they raided jeff sessions, urging him to regain control of the russian investigation after sessions recused himself, they report special counsel mueller is investigating this. back to our panel. did it surprise you, this is new, the first time we heard the president tried to get him to unrecuse himself. >> i'm not surprised at all. we've seen it every single step that the president has done everything he can to either dismiss the investigation or get it to stop. i wouldn't be surprised if this is one of many conversations he's had trying to scheme to sessions back into control. >> is there anything illegal or inappropriate about this? >> it isn't unless mueller's

theory of obstruction is that attempts at obstruction dependant by the president at mar-a-lago in march of 2017 trying to encourage him to recuse himself. mueller will say this indicates the president was concerned and worried and wanted sessions back on the case. why would he want him back on the case? so i think it could pull the timeline back earlier if obstruction is the special prosecutor's theory. >> rich, do you think it expands the timeline for possible obstruction? >> this is the time in the evening when i say the president can't commit obstruction.

he hates the recusal. if all things are equal. they have total power he would have shut it down. >> this is a great story, good reporting as always by maggie and the "times." but it's nothing new. the president made it quite clear, he's tweeted about it, talked about it, he's mentioned this isn't anything new, sessions in my view did the right thing by recusing himself. it would have been a conflict of interest on a campaign he was part of. that was why he did it. i think it was the right thing to do. in my view he should focus on something else, if he wants to focus on north korea, let's do that. let's not talk about the mueller investigation, let it run its course. >> i guess the new details after several days of not talking to sessions or returning, discussing things with him. getting him to mar-a-lago over this dinner with which they talked about the unrecusal. >> the timeline, comey is fired may 9th.

we read this interview with the president when he lashed out publicly about sessions' recusal. so there was no special counsel, comey wasn't fired yet. it's a strenuous effort. and he said, unrecused doesn't mean you try to stop the investigation. it may be an appropriate use of his authority. it certainly means there are probably more conversations with sessions that we don't know about. he is obviously a key witness for robert mueller. what is interesting, guiliani says he hasn't spoken with the president about it. all these questions and that readout. >> i'm not even sure if the word unrecused exists in the dictionary. the reason i say that is in years as a prosecutor or a defense attorney i've never seen somebody unrecuse himself. usually when a prosecutor says i'm out of the case, he stays

out of the case. because it's a big decision in the first place. >> the quote guiliani said unrecused says on the face of it, take responsibility for it and handle it correctly. >> except the reason you recuse yourself is there is a conflict of interest. when you tell somebody to unrecuse themself, when you have to make up a word for something you are doing that might mean it's not normal. you are in some uncharted territory. subtle hint. so when you say, why do you recuse? because as a member of the bar you have certain ethical responsibilities, you take an oath to be an attorney. can you not do certain things. so for the president to push the top cop to violate the ethics of

the bar to do his bidding is outrageous. it's so outrageous you have to make up a term to describe it. that's a subtle hint. >> let's remember why sessions was conflicted. he was meeting with russians, it's a campaign potentially colluding with the russians. it's not that he was a part of the campaign, the other thing that's remarkable about this to me this is like the coverup of the coverup. so there is an investigation into whether there was a collusion with russia and the question of whether they were trying to cover it up. they were meeting with russian agents. they came up with a story to cover up for that. now in trying to get sessions to recuse himself, it's the coverup of the coverup. sometimes we have to remember any fraction of this happening to any other politician, we'd be going bonkers. i knew we argued last week on our campaign. >> a lot of people are going bonkers. we talk about it a lot.

it's not like we're hiding the lamp here. >> because donald trump keeps pushing it along. >> the problem is -- >> when you need a degree in quantum physics to explain the theory of the case, a coverup within a coverup. it's getting hard to prove. congress has to buy into this and impeach the president before he can be pursued. there may be some horrible smoking gun under there. but if we are really investigating the coverup of the coverup of the coverup, this is a parody of a special counsel investigation which typically get on to obstruction offenses without an underlying crime. it's not clear what that underlying crime is. maybe it's there, if i see the facts, i'm change my views. so far we have seen no evidence of it in mueller's actual work.

>> if he has financial crimes, then he is looking for the willful intent on obstruction. then it becomes more consequential. >> it's a matter for impeachment. it's not a crime. >> but this is really important. impeachment is a political process. that is a decision lawmakers make, something is so bad the president needs to go. that is totally separate from the question whether the trump campaign aided, abetted, allowed, permitted, welcomed assistance. there is tons of evidence. let's not forget. roger stone said he was talking to julian assange. he said he had dinner with him. so if he gave permission, it's implied he did. boom, that's potentially a crime. we don't know, there is a lot of evidence, there is so damn much of it. >> we will continue after a quick break. a new conspiracy case about the

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president trump rolled out the latest in conspiracy theories, call this one the gas light at the end of the tunnel. according to president the threat against the 2018 mid-term elections is not as they warn ongoing criminal interference, he claims it's the probe itself. they will be meddling with the mid-term elections now that republicans stay tough or take a lead in the polls. there is no lead in the polls except by the democrats. according to washington post 13 registered democrats out of 17 on the team, nine made political donations to democrats. one gave the gop as well as democrats according to the post. the counsel barred from the service act from taking

political affiliation into account when hiring people is himself a longtime republican. to hear the president say a team of civil servants is rigging this one which is news to the intelligence agencies, worried about the russians or the bipartisan intelligence committee before he was shown the door. >> the point is if it's their intention to interfere, they're going to find ways to do that. we can take steps, we can take but this is something once they decide they will do, it's very difficult to preempt it. >> it's even harder when the commander-in-chief is pushing a conspiracy theory. the question is, why. rudy guiliani provided one conspiracy theory ago what the president called spy gate. >> we're defending to a large extent, we're defending here, it

is for public opinion. because eventually the decision is impeach, not impeach. members of congress, democrat or republican, will be informed a lot by their constituents. our jury as it should be is the people. >> which is hard when the facts you put before them have no basis, in fact. moments ago, president trump's prior conspiracy spy gate was debunked on fox news by a lawmaker no guess, trey gowdy. he tells fox, i am more convinced the fbi did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do. it has nothing to do with donald trump. more now from our legal panel, former white house ethics czar, norm eisen. and harvard university's alan dershowitz, a trumped up criminalization endangers democracy. professor dershowitz, nothing to

support the president's theory that mueller is meddling in the upcoming elections, is it excusable for him to say that? >> no, i don't think so. i've never thought this was a partisan investigation. i am opposed to it because i think special prosecutors have people with targets on their back and they have to find some criminality. this is not about democrats or republicans, it's about overzealous prosecutors and targeting people. my complaint is very different from president trump's. let me correct you about unrecusal. i had a case where a prosecutor recused himself because of a conflict of interest. two months later he unrecused himself because he realized maybe the conflict of interest shouldn't have prevented him from dealing with the case. >> so, it has happened. >> it has happened. not only that, presidents always want to appoint loyalists to the attorney general starting with obviously john kennedy appointing his brother, reagan

appointing his personal lawyer, william smith. president obama appointing a loyalist. i think what we're missing here is that the president was really upset that sessions didn't tell him before he was appointed that he would have to recuse himself because then he would have appointed someone else. >> ambassador eisen, hillary clinton famously claims she and her husband were a part of a vast right-wing conspiracy, but never made this claim publicly. unlike this president that pushed a number as commander in chief. do you see a difference? >> i do. what we seen from president trump is a non-stop smear campaign, lies, distortions. the washington post has found over 3,000 lies in less than a year and a half in office. but the most questionable ones are the lies he keeps telling about bob mueller that mueller has supposed conflicts, these 13 angry democrats. anderson, when i look at the

investigation, i see jeff sessions, republican, bob mueller, a republican, comey who he fired, was a republican. bob cozami, republican chris wray. so, it's shameful, prejudging the case. we never seen anything like it in american history, it's profoundly undermining the rule of law. on the recusal point, jeff session had an affirmative obligation. >> to tell the president he had to recuse? >> alan, this is not a close question. >> let me finish. >> it's a specific question. >> please answer it. >> i will answer it. the president has right to tell jeff sessions that he should unrecuse. the law is clear that if sessions was involved in a political campaign, he can't

work on the review of that campaign. yes, i think jeff sessions was correct not to tell the president. i'll tell you why, alan. i am answering your question. don't interrupt me. because the president would have had the hissy fit we read about in the "new york times" tonight. so, yes. if he was going to behave with that disdain for the rule of law, he was absolutely right to make the call. >> the president would have simply said, sorry, mr. sessions, you are a good man, i'm not appointing you. i want a full-time attorney general who is not recused, he would have appointed someone else who was loyal to him just the way john kennedy, just the way ronald reagan, just the way barack obama did. >> are you saying jeff sessions is not loyal to the president? >> he's out of the case. >> he was one of the first campaigners. >> you want somebody who is loyal and involved in the case. you don't want an attorney general who can't be involved in

the most important case in your administration. i'm not saying that's a good thing, i'm just telling you what would have happened. the president would have said thank you, but no, thank you, i want a full-time attorney general. >> alan -- >> the president should have had that information when he appointed him. >> what are you saying is shocking. we do not want the attorney general famously to have cried out in the oval office, where is my roy cohn, one of the most corrupt attorneys responsible in part -- >> john kennedy, back to ronald reagan. >> alan, let me finish. we don't want an attorney general whose primary loyalty is like a mafia consigliere. we want an attorney general who will do what jeff sessions has done. he was right to recuse. he's defended the mueller investigation.

we swear an oath. and you know this, alan. to the constitution. >> he was right to recuse himself. but he was dead wrong to withhold that information from the president. the president is entitled to pick a loyalist. the senate is entitled to reject that choice. that's the way the separation of powers goes. if you want to change the law and have the attorney general like in israel or england not appointed by the chief executive but loyal to rule of law, change it. right now the attorney general is a member of the president's cabinet. he is entitled to have loyal people in his cabinet as the secretary of defense and secretary of labor and as his attorney general. sessions was dead wrong in withholding that information from the president which would have resulted in them not getting the job. >> thank you so much. just ahead, checking into the latest swings and roundabouts with the possible summit with the united states and north korea.

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there is still a fair amount of doubt tonight whether there will be a summit between president trump and kim jong-un if in fact it comes off, will it be a serious negotiation, or a glorified photo op? joining me to discuss, fareed zakaria. he clearly wants to have this

summit, to be the first to sit down and wants that visual of it. at the very least. >> i think the united states put itself at a disadvantage clearly we are desperate for a summit. even after the north koreans insulted senior officials like john bolton. and the vice president. made clear they were not following the denuclearization, trump pulled out but had regrets. the minute he had good news says it's back on track. he is signaling he wants the summit, he wants this deal. look, i'm all for a good deal. it seems common sense not to seem so anxious to tweet every time you seem to get good news. he tweeted, they sent us a very solid response to my last letter. just let it be. wait until have you the real good news.

>> also this former spy chief. there are reports he may have been involved or behind the sony hack, that he has been -- sanctions against him. because of his connections to the nuclear program. it's fascinating he is being allowed in the united states for this. >> he is being allowed in new york. that i have a mission in the u.n. so that, they are allowed to do. your basic point is right. think about how trump speaks of this man. you think about how he is speaking of the north korean regime, which is probably the most repressive, brutal regime in the world. i remember when i was at "newsweek" we did a world ranking, the consensus was that north korea was the most repressive country in the world and ranked number one. to hear trump talk about them, they seem reasonable, honorable. interested in a deal. he sees brilliant potential for them.

it's a strange way to talk about this regime. >> an aspect that hasn't received a lot of attention at this point. >> it's important to point out they put their own people in prison, hundreds of thousands of them. >> they have three generations of punishment. it's not just the person who gets sent away, it's the person's children and possibly their parents, three generations of the family? >> exactly. they ask, how can north korea and the whole world has changed and opened up. the answer is north korea is repressive on a scale that is just beyond belief. it puts saddam hussein to shame, it puts the taliban to shame. this is repression of a brutal

kind of repression. >> it is extraordinary that this could take place still on june 12th. senior administration officials told cnn, that is in ten minutes, essentially. >> you get back to trump wants this to happen. he loves the drama, the theatrics of it. the problem is many presidents within they confront difficulty, they realize the president has almost unilateral authority. the tax cut is the big legislative achievement. there is no wall. the tariff talks continue. there's no new deal with nafta and the tpp. so where can he show some progress? and trump thinks about the optics, maybe he's right about that. we live in a visual age. he views this, this would be the

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at times this fissure shot 200 feet into the air above what was once a quiet residential neighborhood. the latest unrelenting lava flow destroyed at least a dozen more homes in lay lann highest states turning this stretch of paradise into a heap of devastation. officials with the u.s. geological survey waiting and watched but were powerless to stop the disaster. >> this is such a different kind of fire because that kind of fire you can actually fight and do something about it, this, totally out of your control. mother nature's going to do what she does. and that's just the way it is. >> reporter: all that lava has to go somewhere. it's already covered two whale heads at a nearby geothermal plant. officials say the plant is secure. some of the lava headed north, prompting closure of the main highway in an ominous from civil defense officials. >> highway 132 is being shut down between lava trees state park to four corners due to a

fast-moving lava flow approaching the highway. >> reporter: officials tried to predict when the lava would pass this major escape route for residents. kilauea's fury is a three-pronged pitchfork, assaulting the big island's air, land and sea. >> scott, how close were you able to get to the lava as it was going into the ocean? >> reporter: well, anderson we actually had a special permit that allowed us to get fairly close, a hundred or so yards offshore but you wouldn't want to get that close because the swells in that area are quite big, not to mention the wind directions can shift in an instant and with that in the air it can be potentially dangerous. we watched the wind direction shift from a northeasterly directions to almost a straight south wind when we were there in just a matter of moments. what's amazing to see out there is just how quickly in

a matter of weeks kilauea has brought and reshaped the coastline down there. we were out there with a boat packed with 50 tourists. they are curious to see that lava reformation process and the lava up close. it's important to point out that for the people who live in this area, this is not a tourist attraction. many of them are holding their breath to see whether the lava will take their homes and cut off their access point. i will also tell you the novelty of flowing lava has worn off for the 200 plus people who are currently staying with shelter and many more who are staying with family and friends. of course they want this to end, anderson. >> scott mclean, thanks so much. i appreciate it. coming up the story of a true hero saved a little boy's life. is as easy as dates, deals, done! simply enter your destination and dates... and see all the hotels for your stay!

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