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have a great afternoon. "wolf" starts right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. wherever you're watching from around the world, thank you very much for joining us. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we start with breaking news. new legal questions swirling around michael cohen, president trump's long-time personal attorney and fixer, is changing his own legal team at a critical moment in the investigation. the federal ition against him in the southern district of new york. the case has also prompd challenges from the president's legal team, who had hoped to get a look at some seized materials from raids on cohen's home, offices, and hotel room. joining us now, the former department of justice prosecutor
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joseph moreno, jack quinn, former white house counsel during the clinton administration, dana bash is with us, and gloria borger is also here. gloria, you're getting some new news about michael cohen, his legal team at this critical mom been with him for many months, now gone? >> yeah, gone, probably by the end of the week. they've got some wor to finish up, reviewing an awful lot of documents. and we're not quite sure exactly what the reason is. i was told this morning that they're parting ways because michael cohen wants attorneys who are very familiar with the southern district of new york, where he potentially faces criminal charges. "the new york times" is reporting that it was over legal fees. so we don't quite know the answer, and we are also speculating here, that this could signal a shift in legal
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strategy. we've been told that cohen has not met with anyone from the prosecutor's office. and we're not sure whether he is interested in cutting a deal or whether the prosecutors are interested in having him cut a deal. >> and i just talked to a source who said what yourhat it sounds could be both. sounds like it is about both, meaning that michael cohen's attorney, mr. ryan, was hired to focus on washington, to focus on the fact that he was testifying before congress and so forth. then it shifted over to new york, to the southern district of new york, and he feels he needs a lawyer who is more well versed in the southern district of new york and how court works and more importantly, the u.s. attorney's office there works. and also that it's about money. now, about money meaning that mr. ryan was too expensive, about money he wasn't paying his
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bills, i don't know the answer to that. but it was about money is the response i got. >> there's a critical deadline coming up within a day or two. >> right. they're reviewing these documents, millions of pages, and you need a large law firm to do that. and this law firm has been doing that, and so i think once that review, that document review is over, i think it's probably a time for this change to be made. >> and just to remind our viewers, jack, the russia prosecutor, robert mueller and his team, they referred this case to the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, who then ordered -- asked the fbi to go to his home, his office, his hotel room, and take all these documents. the president of the united states was very upset. he branded it inappropriate, a violation of attorney-client privilege. so what do you make of this all
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of a suddenion that his attorneys are now leaving? >> all of these things may have played into it. conflicts between steve ryan and his client, money, all of that. it's also notable, according to the reports we read, that the special master appointed to look at these documented looked at 300,000 documents, only 162 of them were even worth discussing in terms of attorney-client privilege. she rejected attorney-chinlient privilege with respect to only three documents. it may be, and this is speculation, but it well may be that michael cohen thinks it's time to cut his losses, make his deal. he knows what is in those document, and now the southern district thoughs asoes robert mueller. >> and there's a history of people changing lawyers before
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they cut a deal. >> could this mean his lawyers disagree with that strategy? >> it's possible. you know, purelyting to suggest that. they can disagree over strategy, but you know, i do think it's an opportune time, nowt the out th looked at them, his lawyers looked at them, the prosecutors looked at them. this would be the moment for them to be a conversation between the prosecutors and michael co, and i think he may want to have in place the lawyer who is going to see this through now to the end game. >> so walk us through, you're a former justice department prosecutor, make a deal. what does that mean? usually you're charged with a crime, and then the federal prosecutors say, we'll give you a reduced sentence if you cooperate. you plead guilty, there's no trial. instead of five years in jail, you might get 30 days or something like that. but you hav to tell us everything you know. usually that happens after
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charges have been field. but can there be a deal -- he hasn't been changed with anything. there have been no charges. there's clearly a cril investigation under way. >> that's correct, wolf. he's not been charged. however, as pointed out, the weight of his office is a particularly aggressive move, when it comes to an attorney, much less the president's attorney. so you know they're not playing games between the special counsel and the sdny. is a serious matter. so it must be on mr. cohen's po cooperating. so this could be a discussion of what he knows, a bit of discussion of what the government knows and has on him. obviously, he knows what is in those millions of documenting. and so it certainly is a possibility, something that is being discussed. >> from his perspective,hael cohen' perspeive, jack,in on the more advantageous to wait for criminal charges or cooperate right away, basical say i have nothing to hide, i want to cooperate and let's work sno
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together? >> rather than wait and be reactive, i would say let's get the narrative in front of us, let's get to the table, sit with the federal prosecutors at the sdny -- >> the southern district of new york. >> that's right. tell them what i know and s i how can the best deal as possible. >> what would you do if you were representing michael cohen? >> i think what he described is what i said is cutting your losses. this is the moment f hinly heknows, we don't know, only he knows what is in those documents and what he might be facing. there's been a lot of speculation how much he knows, about the business dealings of the president over the years. i suspehat those documents are really troubling to him and his legal team. and i agree wartedly with joe, this is the moment to get out there. >> and just to be precise, you know this as well.
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it's not just documents, there are recordings. this is a guy who used to record phone conversations. and they now have access to those recordings. and maybe, we don't know, there's some conversations between michael cohen, and donald trump. >> and it's worth mentioning here, before leaving this subject, that he might have thought at some point that, well, i might get a pardon from the president. >> he hasn't been charged with anything. >> in advance of that, if this is something that would figure . i would be willing to bet anythinghe's been warned by any number of people, including perhaps his own lawyers, tha a pardon issued to him in the circumstances of his case would almost in all likelihood be viewed by the special counsel robert mueller as an obstructive act. >> you mean a pardon ahead of time? >> at any point. what i'm saying is he can't rest easily at night thinking, well,
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i'm going to get a pardzon, because i think robert mueller would deem tt pardon, t a good possibility he would deem that pardon part of an obstruction of justice. >> if this is still ongoing at that point. >> umm, sure. >> how worried should the president be right now? >> look, the president was, first of all, very upset when michael cohe attorney's home and office were raided. and we know from our reporting that it created a riftween the president's lawyers and the special counsel, who were trying to negotiate potential testimony for the president. e raid really hit the president's lawyers the wrong way. they were supposed to meet with mueller that afternoon. they did. but i'm told it wasn't a great meeting. it was pretty tense. now they're trying to get things back on track. so we know the president is upset. he considers it wrong. and at the time, i think he
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called it a disgrace, and on and on. whether the president is upset because of what's contained in those recordings or document, we have no way of knowing that. trump organization, as i understand it, was permitted by the speci master to have access to these -- >> and the trump legal team, too. >> correct. so they are part of this whole conversation. they are aware, as well as michael cohen is aware of what n these materials. >> for what it's worth, rudy giuliani, who is a member of the president's legal team who speaks out, has said repeatedly that he does not seenything that is bad legally, damaging for the president. there may be things he doesn't know, but that's what he s >> we'll see soon enough.gu, th. the president on a very different issue, declaring that north korea is no longer a
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nuclear threat, despite any concrete actions involving its nukes. congressman on the armed services committee standing by live to react. plus, a republican senator railing against his own party, saying there's a "cult-like situation" between republican leaders and president trump. cult-like situation. this as the president scores big wins in some and a u.s.dent calling the news media here in the united states america's biggest enemy. not russia, not north korea, the free, independent press. how do you win at business? stay at la quinta. where we're changing with stylish make-overs. then at your next meeting, set your seat height to its maximum level. bravo, tall meeting man. start winning today. book now at lq.com i couldn't catch my breath. it was the last song of the night. it felt like my heart was skipping beats.
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day i took office. there is no longer a nuclear threat from korea.meeting with interesting and very positive experience. let's bring in cnn's senior white house correspdent pamela brown. pamela, very positive review of kim jong-un.t of his summi with what are you hearing from others over at the white house and elsewhere about this agreement, korean chairman kim, as he calls him now, and the next steps? >> reporter: well, wo, not surprisingly, the president is takinghis victory lap following this historic summit with kim jong-un. as you pointed out, he wasted no time putting out tweets shortly after he landed in washington, touting there is no longer this nuclear threat from north korea, and everyone can sleep well tonight. so president is putting lot of trust in a regime, but the president is convinced,
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wolf, that kim will make good on his pledge to make progress on haven't done in severalmonths. as one official i spoke to, the president puts a lotf trust in personal relationships and he feel like he has one with kim now following the summit in singapore. the official pushed back on the idea that the president gave up more than he gained by ending joint exercises on the korean peninsula, saying it was a good will gestures by both sides with the north koreans giving up the defines. and now there is a framework to keep the peninsula safe from here. so secretary of state mike pomp counterparts in south korea, japan and china to discuss human rights and other issues on the table. so it remains to be seen what kind of progress will be made moving forward in the wake of the summit. but clearly the president very positive about how everything went. wolf? >> he certainly does.
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pamela brown, thank you very much. join us, a democratic congressman member of the house armed services committee. do you agree with the president when he says "there is no longer a nuclear threat from north korea?" >> he's absolutely wrong. he could not be more incorrec noh korea still has n weapons. still has intercontinental ballistic missiles. still has medium ranged missiles. and th can use them. the fact of the matter is, the heat has been turned down, but it's still on the stove. itll there. it hasn't disappeared. north korea has promised for more than 30 years to denuclearize. all they did was to perfect their ability to have a nuclear bomb. they have several. and they have the missiles to deliver them. there is a threat. it has not disappeared.>> i've have a many as 60 nuclear bombs. what can you tell us? >> i don't know the exact number. but they certainly have them.
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they threatened to take out the united states and take out major cities in the united states. kim jong-un is a known liar. his regime has, over the last 60 years, hid the ball, hid the cannon, and hid the weapons. >> aren't you encouraged that a diplomatic dialogue has developed, which is a lot better -mobl mons ago, they were calling each other names. president obama told president-elect trump, this is the top national security threat facing the united states, this threat from north korea. >> absolutely true. the heat's been turned down. there were three options, wolf. three ways we can go about this. one, go to war. we could take them out. it would be bloody. hundreds of thousands of people would die and a lot of americans along the way. secondly, we could just simply accept the fact that they have a nuclear weapon and they could threaten us.
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or we could negotiate. negotiations are the way to go. that's what is happening. but don't kid yourself that the threat is over. the heat is down, to be sure. but heat can ramp up very fast. >> what did you think of the president's ann joint u.s.-south korean military exercises, which have been going on o or t a year for decades, which the north koreans says he isnding d, the president joint cises. he says that they're provocative. he also tweeted this morning, we save a fortune by not doing war games, as long as we are negotiating in good faith, which both sides are. what is your reaction? >> first of all, they're not games. these are very serious exercises to make sure our troops, from the navy to the air force, to the army on the ground are prepared to fight tonight, as they have had to be for the last 60 years on the korean peninsula. now, when there is denuclearization and there is a peace treaty, and we have seen a
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reducti reduction, then those troops don't be ready to fight tonight. but they must be. it's not just about korea. it's about china and the presence of america in the pacific. our troops must be prepared, and you are prepared when you are able to exercise your troops. >> the u.s. has about 28,000 troops permanently stationed in south korea, maybe 40,000, 50,000 not far away in japan. he's made it clear over many, many years, he doesn't think the u.s. should deploy all those troops over there. he doesn't like the fact that the u.s. taxpayer is paying for the deployment of those troops in those countries. he throws in germany, as well. says countries are paying for the u.s. troops to be there, not the total cost, but a big portion of that cost is paid for by japan, south korea. and it is necessary in the world with which we live. this is the real world. it is a dangerous world. we need to be prepared. at the same time, we need to work even harder for peace, and
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these negotiations must go forward. you know, the president did a good job. he had a wonderful photo opportunity, and it's a good start, but it is nowhere near the end of the first quarter, let alone the end of the game. >> congressman, thank you for coming in. thank you. it's being called the party of trump and one republican senator is saying that's a cult-like situation that has developed between the president of the united states and republican party leaders. plus, very disturbing remarks from the president of the united states, calling the press here in the united states, america's biggest enemy. this as he praises a dictator. we'll discuss that and more when we come back. (vo) ng] from day one, we always came through for our customers. it's how we earned your trust. until... we lost it. today, we're renewing our commitment to you. fixing what went wrong. and ending product sales goals for branch bankers.
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leadership isecg like a can cult under president trump. here's senator bob corker of tennessee. an, it's most, you know, e. it's becoming a cultish thing, isn't it? and it's not a good place for any party to end u with a cult-like situation as it relates to a president that happens to be of -- purportedly of the same party. >> let's bring in our political director david chalian, joining us over at the magic wall. david, there were some key primary races last night in the united states. any signs that the gop is becoming the party of trump? >> all signs point that way, a and that's why bob corker's comments are likely to fall on in deaf ears inside the
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republan party. you can tell by who the voters rejected and who they voted for last night. rejected, mark sanford, republican senator, one of the most conservative members of the house and freedom caucus. he was rejected because of his nd half.mp comments over the he said the president should shut up, that he's the antithesis to everything sanford believed politics should be t. and now he's paying a price for it inside the republican party because of his lack of loyalty to president trump that his opponent made a winning case in south carolina. how about who won last night in virginia? corey stewart, the republican nominee for senate in virginia, somebody who says he proudly stands with the confederate flag, he defends confederate monuments. he is associated with white nationalists. he is so offensive to many in
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the republican establishment, that corey gardner, whose job it is to maintain a republican majority in the senate, said he will not be -- the party establishment will not endorse corey stewart in his fight against tim kaine. >> david, thank you very much. let's bring in our panel, cnn political analyst david gregory is with us, and white house reporter for "the new york times" julie davis is here, as well. i want you to listen to this exchange that paul ryan had just a little while ag >> south carolina voters told mark sanford to take a hike last night. is that because he opposed to the president? >> i would ask the voters of south carolina. some of our members have lost primaries. that's just what happens. [ inaudible ] >> every cycle we lose people, this happens.
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>> so he's trying to be diplomatic, clearly there. but how much of a role do you think support or opposition to the president of the united states played in these republican primaries? >> i think the evidence is that it played quite a bit of a role, and these races are won on the margins, and people seem to want a person who was an ally of president trump who endorsed or somehow associated himself or herself with president trump instead of the opposite. on paper, mark sanford would look like perfect candidate. paul ryan was alluding to these are races to specific areas. but he would be on paper, if he looked at his profile and the way he's voted, mark sanford is tailor made for republicans in that area. he was a member of the class of 1994, the republican revolution. you would think they would want someone like that, and it does seem to be his remarks about
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president trump and his willingness to put distance between himself and the president made big difference there. >> if the president, david, keeps supporting and republican voters keep electing far-right candidates like corey who is going to be the republican candidate for senate in virginia, roy moore, we remember what happened to him in alabama. rick saccone, we remember what happened to him in pennsylvania. they all lost, both of those guys lost. is this all good news potentially for democrats? >> yes,nd t's already a lot of momentum for democrats in their direction. a lot of energy in the democratic base. the fact that the president himself is unpopular at such a level that creates a lot of weight for him. but i do think -- there's a couple of points about these special elections. these are more enthusiastic people that vote, and two, i think that association with a particular party is not the winning way to go here on the republican side. it is much more cultish, much
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more about the trump personality. it can be abofear. it can be about particular issues that t president has just driven over and over again. he likes to talk about immigration being a winning issue. so i think that's what itis. and this idea of loyalty. you look at corey stewart, who is so repugnant to so many, including republicans in virginia, that standing up for monuments is a proxy for a lot of people's eyes.ectness so those are the kinds of things the president stands for and providing fertilizer for these candidacies. >> bob corker is not running for re-elect tennessee, and unloaded today, speaking about a cult-like relationship developie republicans and the president. but listen to what he said yesterday. >> we might poke the bear, the president might get upset with
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us as united states if we vote on the corker amendment. well, we'll do what we can do, but my gosh, if the president gets upset with us, we might not be in the majority. >> how scared are republicans of poking the bear? >> i i think it's a real thing, it's a real fear, and it's the reason you don't see more republicans stepping up to come behind bob corker. everyone understands and the republican and democratic party that could be damaging for them, because their constuents could be badly affected by that, people in foreign states and other areas. but what we saw last night was the cautionary tale of what people are worried about it. it's not just that they're worried thesident will get mad, but their constituent also get mad, because they're not a close enough alley of ty of the president. what's difficult for republicans is that trump's popularity is not necessarily transferrable to them, but in many of these
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places, if you are seen as somehow disloyal to him or not aligned with his values, and too much aligned with the establishment and the people who are in congress, you're going to have a hard tim with those voters. >> i wonder ithe republican party is going to be a free trade party, unless maybe it is. a lot of people who support trump said we don't understand trade exactly. i look at some of the trade issues and i don't understand everything. a lot of people feel yeah, he's standing up for america. why isn't that a good thing? maybe if he shifts, he'll say now we worked it out and now we have better trade dealing, and people would go along with that. th is, there is no republican who is not retiring who is willing to take the president on. even corker, who is taking him on, what has he done to stand in front of the trump agenda? that's the question for jeff flake. the party has to decide, party
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leaders like paul ryan. now paul ryan is standing up against trump. now that he's decided he's not going to run again, there's really not a lot of courage here in the republican party.that's . they don't want to cross anyor potent enough on the trail. >> including the republican leadership in the house and senate. stick around. there's more we need to discuss. since many republicans are scared to speak out against president trump, is the legal system the only really reality check against the president? we'll discuss that and the president says the country's biggest enemy right now isn't kim jong-un, isn't russia. it's what he calls the fake news media. we'll be right back. i feel a great deal of urgency... i think, keep going, and make a difference.
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all right, this just coming in to cnn. we're told that larry kudlow, presidentrump's chief economic adviser, has been released from the hospital after exping what the white house called a very mild heart attack just days after returningm that contentious g7 summit in canada. doctors say kudlow is doing well. the white house s expects him to be back at work soon. we wish him, of course, a speedy recovery and only the best. meane, a republican senator admits his party is scared to check the president out of fear of poking the bear. the bear beingresident trump. so who and what is serving as a check and a balance? it appea has been ight now here washington to the legal system. federal legal system specifically. take a look at what happened yesterday. a federal judge in washington, ruling that at&t can buy time warner, cnn's parent company, with no conditions. it is ruling the judge pointed a finger at the president implying
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that president t influenced the department of justice to try to block the merger. this isn't the first time a judge has ruled against the president. take what happened earlier this year. a judge ruled against president trump's move to end daca. the program that allows dreamers to stay in the united states. another instance last year, a federal judge halting president trump's latest travelban, the u.s. supreme court is going to make a decision on that. the constitutionality of the travel ban in the coming days. let's bring back our panel. joining us now is julie and david. sxwrul is the legal system the only real check and challenge facing the president, since thejority don't want to do much the >> they don't want to do much. you see some efforts on the margins. there's talk now that the senate mi try to block the zte deal that the president is trying to engineer here with china. but hike you say, as we were discussing earlier, there
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doesn't seem to be a lot of enthusiasm for that with republican lawmakers. we have seen the courts come back pretty strongly, and either halt or just sort of block the president's efforts to carry out his agenda. and also allow ts to go forward, like the at&t merger that he would rather be blocked. you see a real determination on the part of the president and the administration to use the courts to carry out parts of his agenda he can't accomplish in congress. we heard last week the attorney general jeff sessions wants to try to get the court to up end daca and overturn it once and for all, and that is a fight that will go to the supreme court is fairly certain. ande a earlier this week to change the rules by which asylum claims are processed so domestic violence is no longer a grounds for asylum. i think it works both ways. the courts are a th'reg to use them to accomplish a lot. >> this is what the president tweeted this morning, i'll put the tweet on the screen --
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>> pretty outrageous tweet. >> it is outrageous. it's not worth a lot of comment. it's obviously ridiculous. this president spends more time consuming news and information that he calls fake, and what he really wants is to be seen as legitimate by these news sources, especially those that he attacks the most. so this is just using the media again as a foil to try to whip up his supporters, to rally around his side. you know, live in an age where there's a lot of information not necessarily a lot of wisdom. and thes environment is so fractured and turned against itself that it's very hard to see what you should see, which is a lot of people scrutinizing
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what happened in this summit, looking at the positives, looking at the negatives, looking at the challenges and the unanswered questions, and letting it play out, which is ainly what we've been doing at cnn. >> julie, you tweeted this morning, let's see if i have this straight, nor korea is no longer a nuclear threat, kim jong-un is trustworthy and our country's biggest enemy is journalists. >> i mean, it sort of up ends everything that we are used to hearing from a president where you would think there would be skepticism and adversarial talk about something like kim jong-un and north korea, even as they're at the table t m a diplomatic deal. he tweeted that the nuclear threat is now gone, which is clearly not the case if you look at what happened, no matter where you fall on the political spectrum. i think what you're seeing in the coverage is a lot of scruti what actually happened. he would rather just attack the media for daring to do our jobs, which is to evaluate things. >> it's so unoriginal, too.
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there's no political figure that likes the media -- >> it's one thing not to like the media. we've all worked in this news business for a long time. everybody is always criticizing us, and not happy with our coverage, whether it was president clinton or president bush or -- they're all criticized. but it's another thing to say it's not north korea, it's not iran, it's not russia, it's not china, it's journalists, like us, who are the enemy of the american people. >> one of the things that bothers me most about the president is i don't take what he says seriously. he's just so casual about throwing out language. that you really undermine the presidency when you do that, because there will be a time after donald trump, believe it or not, and he is doing damage to this notion of do we believe what the president says? we live in an environment where social media allows so much
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hyp hyperbole, that it would be the president of the united states who says something over the top and i don't take it seriously, because he's not really being serious when he says it. >> a lot of people do take it seriously, and it's having an impact. >> a lot of his supporters believe that we are the enemy of american people, and that is really an awful situation. we the enemy of the american people. we love the american people. all right, guys, thank you very much. president trump says north korea is no longer a threat and will denuclearize. but he hased no details on how that will happen. we're exploring four possible scenarios of what's next. that when we come back. ♪ there's nothing more important than your health. so if you're on medicare or will be soon,
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the summit between the united states and north korea is now over but the work has just begun. ory after he returned to washington early this morning, the president tweeted that north korea is no longer a nuclear threat, yet the details of how denuclearization will be achieved are still vague. for more on a of this and what happened, i'm joined now by a senior north korea expert at the u.s. institute for peace, a former senior adviser on north korea over at the u.s. defense department. scenw? what's the best case >> the best case scenario is that north korea agrees to first freeze and ultimately give up its nuclear and ballistic missile program and hopefully in a r short period of time within two to three years. we can't verify that north korea is 100% denuclearized but it could be the case where the u.s. says close enough and declares
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victory. >> are you looking for in signs that it's working and not working? >> the signs that it not working is that it's falling through quickly. and what's t worst case scenario? >> the worst case scenario is war. talks are breaking down, both sides are trading barbs, maybe hawks in the administration determine both sides have failed and there's a trigger and a sunk vessel used to launch missiles against north korea. >> what's your assessment right now? upbeat, down beat? >> it depends on your
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expectations. if you took it to heart that this good meeting was a get to know you meeting, you have to be happy that we're now on a diplomatic process, but if you came in watching the three meetings with north korean officials and the ambassador having hismeetings, you have to be p disappointed about what came out of the summit and the lack of details and concrete steps. >>ll of us are hoping for the best this does work out and the nuclear threat from north korea goes away and there's a peaceful following, michael cohen news w switching legal teams all of a sudden. does this signal that the president's fixer may be cooperating? we'll discuss when we come back. southern coast of ireland. i think it's why we've been doing this...forever.
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after a legal battle with the puerto rican government, cnn was finally given information the database of all deaths after hurricane maria. covering the storm for us from the very beginning, laila santiago. what happens next? >> now we dig. we have database of nearly 12,000 death certificates. we expect to get a total of about 2400 over the coming case. i want to be clear that doesn't mean that the death toll is 12,000 or 24,000. that just means we have the opportunity to see exactly who died when and how and try to get to the bottom of what sort of
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conditions led to those deaths. could they be tied to hurricane maria? as you mentioned, we had to sue the government puerto rico to get access to this. the government said they wanted an extension, they wanted more time to redact social security numbers from those death certificates. now we have talked to some of the families that we have featured in our past reporting. pepe sanchez is one that i reached out to. when i told his wife that we now had access to these, said she hadoose bumps because she was so happy that we were going to get an opportunity to try to get to the bottom of what has really been a controversial death toll. she suspects that there will be more cases just like pepe's. as i mentioned off the top now, wolf, we dig. >> thank you so much, leyla for
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your excellent reporting from puerto rico. that's it for me. i'll be back at 5 p.m. eastern " "the newsroom" with brooke baldwin is up next money. >> a source tells cnn the president's personal attorne and loyal confidante known as his fixer, michael cohen, has split with his elite team of lawyers, the team guiding him through the instigation, including a high-profile fbi raid on his home, his office in early april. that could signal a shift in legal strategy as criminal charges against c
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