the president has been as well. chris, thank you very, very much a. important note. cuomo prime time airs tonight, 9:00 p.m. eastern. i'll be back in an hour filling in for anderson cooper. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, paul manafort behind bars as trump's legal team says he can challenge any subpoena from mueller. what's the strategy? plus rudy jewgiuliani calls joe biden a moron and mentally deficient idiot. what's this have to do with the russia investigation? and using the bible to defend acceseparating parent frs their children. a member of trump's evangelical counsel speaking out to say it's wrong. he's our guest. let's go "outfront." and good evening. breaking news, the president lobbing a new grenade at bob

mueller. trump's legal teams believes tonight they can challenge any subpoena by the special counsel. in order, no one can force president trump to testify on obstruction of justice. why? well, the the president made it clear today. the inspector general's report find thag the former fbi director jim comey acting in an extraordinary insubordinate way. this means trump was justified in firing him and therefore, the whole special counsel investigation is moot. >> you have a tremendous animosity. now here's the good news. i did not wrong. no collusion, no obstruction. the ig report yesterday went a long way to show that and i think that the mueller investigation has been totally discredited. >> okay. the big problem with this is this trump himself has said clearly that this was not his reason for firing comey. it had nothing to do with being insubordinate. he gave his reason on camera.

>> i said to myself, i said you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. >> well one person watching all this particularly closely this evening is the president's former campaign chairman, paul manafort. he's in jail. a judge revoked his bail and sent him straight to jail. he's facing 25 charges in two federal courts. if convicted, he'll spend the rest of his life in prison. he was on house arrest, but that did not attempt to stop him from witness tampering. so what does the president have to say about the charges facing his former campaign chairman who was always by his side, paul manafort? >> i look at someone going back 12 years. manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. but i feel so, i tell you, i feel a little badly about it. they went back 12 years ago? paul manafort worked for me for

a very short period of time. he worked for reagan. bob dole. john mccain. he worked for many other republicans. he worked for me for 49 days or something. very short period of time. >> okay, facts matter. manafort did not work for the trump campaign for 49 days. it was 144 days. that's number, easy to check and when you do, you discover the president didn't tell the truth when he threw this 49 days number out there and campaign era trump didn't try to minimize him by saying he was a short timer or didn't have anything to do with the campaign all together. >> i brought in paul manafort as a total professional. paul's done a great job. i brought paul in because a very, very smart friend of mine who knew him very well said he is fantastic. >> paul manafort has done a fantastic job. >> a friend. fantastic. professional. and the thing is campaign era trump is telling the truth. manafort did do a fantastic job for trump and a crucial one.

his job was to make sure trump won the republican nomination for president of the united states. something even trump's closest allies now admit was only accomplished thanks to paul manafort. >> b i don't believe the president would have been nominated at the convention without paul there. there was a lot of shah canary going on. a lot of things going on in the back rooms driven by ted cruz and never trumpers. if it weren't for paul manafort, that convention would have been hairy and the president would have stood a chance of being brokered right out of it. paul took charge of it. >> that's michael caputo and trump aide who was there. now, evan perez if washington and evan, i want to start with your breaking news here. the legal team when it comes to this you know, saying no way to mueller, feeli ining imbold ed tonight. >> they do because they feel the inspector general's report

yesterday from the justice department prothem a lot of ammunition to argue that the president had ever right and he should have fired james comey. they say that according to the inspector jep eor general repor gives the agent in being biased against president, they say these agents and comey himself get a lot of benefit of the doubt so why shouldn't the president. they believe that as a result of this inspector general's report, they can argue to the special counsel there is no obstruction inquiry. no reason for him to sit down with the special counsel because there's nothing to look at here. >> of course. obviously his own reasons were different and this goes beyond obstruction, but that's the argument they're making as you report. what about paul manafort, evan? he's in jail tonight. what do we know about where he is? what he's doing? >> well, when we left the courthouse this afternoon, they were still waiting to figure out where to transfer him. we've learned in the past hour that one of the concerns the

authorities have is his personal safety, frankly. it's typical here in washington that after you sent to jail to await trial, is that they house you in the d.c. jail, but they can't do this in this case. they're try iing to figure out where to put him because of the real concern for his personal safety. look, in court today after the proceedings were over and the judge really admonished him for his conduct, they put him, they didn't put handcuffs on him. they let him out. he gave a half wave to his wife and his family members who were in court and then a few minutes later the u.s. martials came back into the courtroom with his wallet, belt and maroon tie he was wearing. and handed it to his family and look this is last time very well may be that might be a free man because if he's found guilty, facing a lifetime in prinz. >> i mean, it is pretty stunning. returning his tie, belt, wallet.

when you say personal safety, from himself, from others? >> from others. it is from others. exactly. >> thank you very much. now to john dean. april ryan, white house correspondent and seth, author of trump and russia. seth, let me start with you. paul manafort is in jail. his tie, wallet, belt hand back to his family. how is he going to handle being in jail? >> not well. i don't think he's going to handle it well. this is a 68-year-old man who is used to a life of luxury. who is is uuseded to fine cloth and food and he's got an apartment in trump tower. this is not a, jail is not a good fit for paul manafort and i suspect it's going to, it's going to be a hard wake up call tomorrow morning hen he finds himself behind bars. >> it's stunning to think about

this. this turn of fortunes for paul manafort. what happen to him now in does this make him flip? is it still on the table? zbli suspect the prosecutors are hopeful that will happen. this will be a real shock for him tonight if he goes out into montgomery county to one of the county jails or alexandria. those are all awful places. i know because the number of of the watergate people were placed in them. the reason they don't go to the d.c. jail, that is the true hell hole and people were physically injured and some of the watergate burglars got into a row in those place so, the government's got a problem. they also know this man once told his according to his daughter, he was suicidal. he threatened to take his life. i assume they're on watch for that as well. >> it is stunning what is happening here and as this happens, the president today you

heard him, dismissed manafort, nothing to do with him or the campaign. of course the facts are, he was a significant part of the campaign and you know, we showed that, but here they are together. right. to charge the convention here he is by trump's side. checking the podium the day trump accepted the gop nomination. again manafort prior to that at a campaign stop. making sure the stage was stet with his boss and we know among so many meetings, of course paul manafort was there. which is at the center of the special counsel's vest dpags. >> it may have been 144 days, but it was a critical and crucial time period for this trump campaign. that was a time, i mean, many reporters like myself saw manafort on the floor of the convention center in cleveland. not only did we see him on the floor, he was walking around, maneuveri maneuvering, making sure thipgs were this place. he was the key to everything

moving. this was the man who this president said he had not much to do with the campaign, but it was a critical time. i'm thinking back going back to some things you said about manafort. when you go to prison or jail and they take your tie or belt, they are concerned about suicide. there's problem as well. l ch excuse me, i have a cold. >> this is a dire situation i think. hard for anyone to understand. just to imagine. and what could be at stake here. this comes as saying it discredited the entire investigation. the report does not discuss why trump fire d comey. has nothing to do with it. trump is in himself, the only thing he said at the time, it was b about russia, so does team trump actually think this report is going to help them avoid an interview, avoid the president

sitting koung with the special counsel? >> that argument isn't going to be brought by the special counsel's office. can't sell it in court either. there's no connection between the report and that argument. it would be a real reach even to go into cherry pick and build that kind of argument. this is for the base. very few will read the full report. they'll read newspaper summaries or tweets or what have you. so this is just more hot air. >> so seth, you know, they know, team trump that this is really about the voters and impeachment. maybe they're not so, they don't care about special counsel, right because as onpoints out, people aren't going to bother read thg report. so what matters is what they say. who cares about truth. rudy giuliani admitted as much to cnn. here he is. >> we're defending here. it is the public opinion because

eventually, the decision here is going to be impeach, not impeach. they're informed a lot by constituents so a jury, a as it should be, is the american people. >> is that what they're doing in the ig report here, seth? saying hey, you know what, this is just a pr game. who cares about the facts of what the president said in the past. no one's going to check them. >> yeah. i think you're right on. it's a p pr strategy. not a legal strategy. you know. the they're fighting the game, they're anticipating ready and giuliani's quote right there is very revealing. they're worried about impeachment. he said it right there. this is basically an effort to taint the jury pool and the jury in this case is the congress, members of congress voting on whether to impeach trump. the strategy is the same as the crooked hillary strategy. you throw so much mud at the wall and see whiat sticks.

it's effective and we'll have to see what happens, but that's what they're going for. >> seems to be b the strategy when it comes to mueller. april, what what is fear now among those close to the president about manafort? they've got to be thinking manafort's in jail tonight and the big question. does he know anything about this president. he was close enough to the kids to know what was going on and bannon. now the issue is what does henn and what will he tell? you heard giuliani say things like pardons will clear this up and you've got wonder going on here. and yes, the white house is always going to have a stance of strength but in meantime, they're shaking in their boots

to make sure those who are under the scope do not tell. anything. >> thank you, all. >> and next, new signs tonight michael cohen could be closer to flipping. federal agents piecing together these documents and literally have been putting them together with tape, plus the president with new praise for north korea's vicious dictator. sfwl he speaks and his people sit up in attention. i want my people to do the same. >> is that a joke or the truth? and the trump administration. using the bible to defend separating children from their parents. a member of trump's evan jgelic county is sell says that's wrong and he's "outfront." i was a c130 mechanic in the corps,

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>> "outfront" now, harry, a f m former substantiate u.s. attorney and frank, columnist for the "new york times." harry, cohen apparently ainge ary with the president. with rudy giuliani. he is under an incredible amount of pressure. imagine walking down the street and someone yelling there's the goi going to jail. we are not reporting that he has met with prosecutors to discuss a deal. so what happens here? >> well i think what happens is they're almost done with this review from the search warrant. when those documents are ready for the government, they'll be in the best position to question cohen. to test whether he's willing to tell the truth. cohen will then know what the government has about him and he'll be in the best position to assess how strong the case is, whether he needs to cooperate. >> so frank, president trump was

asked about trump this morning. this is what he sees and hears when he's wondering if he's going to go to jail for the rest of his life. he hears things like this. >> i did nothing wrong. you have to understand. this stuff would have coupcome ago. i did nothing wrong. really nice. i haven't spoken to michael in a long time. >> is he still your lawyer? >> no, not anymore. but i always liked michael and he's a good person. >> are you worried if he's going to cooperate? >> no, because i did nothing wrong, okay? >> a couple of things here. first, the president clearly distancing himself. he want to say he's a good guy, but that's after i haven't spoken to him in a long time, no, he's not my lawyer when asked if he's still his friend. these are the kinds of things michael cohen is seeing. the guy he's basically given up his life for, say about him. >> he's not only seen that, he

saw today that paul manafort is going to skral. that's a stark reminder of where this could all end for him, too. you know, donald trump seemed. >> reporter: cool and collevery and collected today, but the thing we have to remember is of all the people who have come on to the radar, michael cohen was traveling the darkest biways of trump's life for a long time. back chen his home and office were raid ed, i've never seen trump so spooked. that was the day he was with his cabinet and described it as an attack on the county tr. that was your key and your clue to just how many secrets michael cohen possesses and just how afraid he may need to be about cohen flipping and talking. >> so, with the update of the materials seized, i was talking about the shredded documents. they've got one device, they're trying to get others. 731 pages of communications. from encrypted messaging apps. michael cohen texts a lot.

what does this tell you about where they are in the case and the sledded documents? what could be the significance? it tells you the government the done with with the reinstruction construction of what they recovered in the search warrant. even things that are hard to reconstruct. they have these, they're now being shown to cohen's lawyers as part of this privilege review and once it's done, which seems it's maybe ten days or two weeks away, those will go to the government. at that point, it seems like a conversation would be in order. >> one quick point when we talk about cohen looking at paul manafort as frank raises who's in jail tonight, you're say iin that manafort, 25 charges, the rest of his life this prison. if he cooperates and flips, he may not go to jail at all. it could be that much of a get out of jail free card. >> that's right. it's up to the trial judge. at the especially of case, the judge compares the crimes with the extent of cooperation.

if you testify truthfully an the government convict someone, you could get no time. >> that's pretty incredible when you think about that. when you think b about michael cohen looking at that. there's a report in "the wall street journal" in 2009, trump wanted cohen out. they had a thing. he said he should be out. he's not a good fit. not getting things done. what's he doing here, demanded the journal writes. visibly upset, mr. cohen pushed back, i will try to prove himself. he replied. a person familiar with the matter said. he stayed, trump slashed his salary in half to $200,000 a year. he was still saying he loved trump and was loyal to him. is is he a glutton for punishment? what explains the loyalty? >> for a long time, he was cohen's ticket to a level of living economically and power in the circles he traveled in that he would never have been in that world but for donald trump. he wasn't a man that came from

an impressive background this terms of legal ebdge kax, but he's not going back to that life. on the far side, he's no longer going to be talking about running for mayor of new york, which he was doing at a time. he's not going to have any of that to look forward to anymore. and so i think if the case against him, which they seem to be kind of close to finalizing, if it's very, very strong, i'd be surprised if he didn't cooperate, provided he has something to give them. we don't know a lot and we have no idea of what they want and what he has to give is significant. >> they decide if it's useful enough. thank you both. and next, president trump has a history of praising dictators from putin to deuterte. plus, giuliani attacking joe biden. calling him a mentally deficient idiot. is he doing more harm than good for trump? i forgot.

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sit up at attention? >> i'm kidding. you you with you're with cnn? >> okay. chasm, well, according t.o. "washington post", trump expressed envy of kim at oom time, too. trump marvelled at how positive the female anchor was about kim. the report saying quote, he joked even the administration finally fox news was not as l lavish in its praise as the state tv anchor. one of the people added and that maybe she could get a job on u.s. television instead. as we know though, when you make jokes like this, there is a grain of truth in them as there is in most jokes because trump's compliments of kim this week have been consistent and frankly delivered very seriously. >> a very talented man. got a great personality. he's a you know, funny guy. very smart guy. he's great negotiator. he loves his people. he loves his country. his country does love him.

his people, you see the ferver, they have a great ferver. he wants to do something great with his country. he wants to make his country great. he wants to do what's right. he was really very gracious and i think we understand each other. got along very well. i think he trusts me and i trust him. >> "outfront" now, gordon chang, author of nuclear showdown north korea takes on the world and the former army commanding general for europe of the seventh army m thank you very much. gordon. president trump. says he wishes americans stood at attention for him like the north koreans do then when he was asked about it said oh, this is just a joke. what was your reaction when you howa heard him say it first time? >> this is more pernicious than people think. this is not russian meddling in our democracy. this is an all out saul on our democracy. and so at this particular time when we face a threat, no

american president should be making jokes of this sort. so far, other state media have not used trump's comments against democracy, but it's a matter of time. >> as we say, general, in every joke is a grain of truth especially when it is a joke that keeps being made frankly again and again. by this president. >> yeah, this if that's a joke, then the president's comedic timing really suck, eastern. i'll echo what gordon just said. this is an exten shl threat and the president is heard around the world. when he says something like this and says it's a joke, truthfully, i'm tired of f that. his followers say you have to take him literally versus seriously, or other way around. i'm taking him both ways. it's unfortunate. this is in the the way, this is not who we are. we respect one another. we respect our citizens.

president, i guess i wouldn't slouch that much either if i was fearful of being shot by an antiaircraft gun, but that's not who we are in the united states. >> and gordon, you know, what makes all these glowing compliments about kim interesting. he says they're joke, but said it multiple times. all the things i was playing that were not jokes.honorable. seven months ago, he was saying it was a cult. that people would pay to leave. north korea was so horrible and let me just play a little bit of old trump. let's call it and new trump. >> rocket man is on a suicide mission from himself. and for his regime. >> he wants to make his country great. >> north korea is a country ruled as a cult. >> he loves his people and country. this guy is a bad dude.

he's got a great personality. he's a you know, a funny guy. >> i mean, we put that together because i think the juxtaposition says so much. what is going on? sx >> you know i guess what the president is trying to do is play up to kim jong-un so he can get a deal, but this doesn't work because even if kim really likes trump, kim operates in a system that does not permit him to reciprocate generosity or friendship or any of this. what i think the real sin here is that trump is in addition to the attack on democracy, is sin is that he's trying to create an expectation and if kim thinks trump thinks this way, when trump dispoints him and he'll have to, it just makes the inevitable down spiral much worse. general. >> general, it is pretty incredible. he loves his people and country. this guy is a bad dude. funny guy. got a great personality. it's bizarre to hear these things.

it's one thing to sort of chak your tone, it's another thing to say things that are so opposed to each other. >> true. and kim, i think is more concerned about his reign than the love of his country. the family reign over north korea. that's what causes him to do all the things that he does. it's to keep his power. and again, we have a system that doesn't require someone to keep power for life and pass it from generation to generation. it's a different system. and we're a different people. so yeah, i'm going to stick with that kim is a very bad dude. he's done a lot of bad things toward his people. he does not love at least 120,000 of his people who he's incarcerated and he's killed hundreds of people that are certified by the united nations. not sure if i'd call him anything but a bad dude. >> we don't have rulers for

life. president trump said he's essentially president for life. that's pretty good. i suppose he was joking then, too. thank you both. next, new details about what trump said to the prime minister of area pjapan. why he talked about sending him 25 million mexicans. and more than 2,000 children separated from their parents at the mexican border as the trump administration has used again and again a specific part of the bible to justify this policy. i am totally blind. and non-24 can throw my days and nights out of sync, keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424.

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rudy giuliani unleashed again. predicted president trump would cruise to election victory. saying joe biden is a moron. i'm calling joe biden a mentally di efficient idiot. i suppose that is in case anybody doesn't know what a moron is. "outfront" now, keith boykin and ben ferguson. i'm glad for the rudy giuliani dictionary.com summary. jokes aside, this is a, nothing to do with the russia investigation. which is what giuliani is supposed to be focusing on and it's pretty childish and nasty. did he go too far? >> trump clearly hired rudy

giuliani to be his attack dog. to say all the horrible things he wants to say, but can't always get around to saying because there's tho barrier to stop trump from saying and even if he goes too far, what's the worst that's going to happen? is he going o lose his job b? no, he doesn't have a b job. is anybody going to be upset? no because he can do anything now and get away with it. is trump going to be held account bable? no, because he can get away with just about anything. so what's the downside to just saying any outlanish thing you want to say? >> the s that how he sees it? is there any way you would defend, forget who the person you're talk iing about is. but joe biden is a moron, calling joe biden a mentally deficient idiot. is that okay? >> i hate to kill the narrative, but sometimes it's not trump's fault. let's be honest about the history that has gone on between biden. biden was a guy who mocked the fact that giuliani did a great

job with 9/11 and said he was so dumb in every sentence, adverb and 9/11, so let's not act like this is some new riff because donald trump unleashed giuliani. they have not gotten along years before donald trump was ever even thinking about getting into politics. look, this is a simple thing that happened. you had yugiuliani, he was askea question b about joe biden. he responded. you've got two guys who love to talk trash about one another. trying bait him into running for election. >> he's attacking everybody. stormy daniels. called her -- >> working well for him. >> yeah, it's great when the president of the united states has a lawyer who's calling the person who the president has sexual are relationship with a whore. that's a wonderful thing. that >> let's be clear. my point is the president wanted

an attack dog. yes. giuliani is an attack dog. absolutely he is. people may say well i don't like what he's saying, but it seems politically to be pretty effective and people are obsessing over what giuliani has been saying, which is helping get a message out over what the white house is fighting back on this. >> i want to move on to another topic, but in the approval ratings, yule ygiuliani is rock bottom. it may be hurting him, but helping trump. just saying he's willing to take the hit. there's something coming out now that imt to share with you. you know, the g-7, all the pictures that came out. everyone's sending their own angle and upset at trump for what he did there. well, sources are rorgt tonight during a sources, sorry, a conversation with japanese prime minister abe about migration problems, trump said, quote, shinzo, you don't have this b problem, but i can send you 25 million mexicans and you'll be out of office very soon.

keith. this is an unbelievable statement. i can't even say it's unbelievable. it's what you would expect for donald trump. just think about what's happened this week. he defended russia. attacked canada. alienated a ed allies in europe. he saluted a north korean general. he praised a communist dictator. he started a trade war with china. he had his, his campaign chairman was jailed today. his foundation was sued and now he's on record attacking mexicans in a context of a conversation with the japanese prime minister. what else could b possibly happen in one week for the american people to realize that donald trump's circus has ruined our country and our country is off the rails. it needs to come back together. >> if this happen pd in any other administration, republicans would be calling for impeachment.

>> let me just jump in. he was also talking to macron about terrorism and said you must know about this because all the terrorists are in paris. >> yeah. >> references tl there's been an uptick of terrorist attacks including 170 people that were killed in one attack. >> you're way too smart for that. i'm saying be clear though. hold on. we don't know the xhaexact word donald trump said. can i see a situation where they're talk iing about terrori and talk k about paris and explains there's been a significant number of terrorist attacks since 2015? look at the list. it's not a short list unfortunately, so i'm sure the president could have said look at all the tariffs. i also think people can misquote the president and try to make him look bad. >> these are people clearly close to him. that's not an innocent thing. his people are supposed to be these loyal people. >> people that won't put their name, if they won't share their

name, i think they have an agenda. they want to share something without their name next to it so i put an asterisk next to it. >> the agenda is -- >> also didn't leak out of the other country. >> the agenda apparently is to expose the president of the united states for the bafoon that he is. we have a president who has destroyed other nations. that's not a good thing for our country and we shouldn't be defending it. >> i agree. i don't like leakers. i think they're terrible. you look at what he said about the people in mexico. the reality is the number one group of people that are coming in this country illegally, statistically, are people coming in from mexico. >> that's not what he said. >> rapists and murderers and drug dealers. >> all right. >> he did say it before and he's attacking them in a conversation with the japanese as well. >> the president now, he's blunt and honest about what's going on. >> not getting 25 million

mexicans coming into this country. thank you both. next, more than 2,000 children separateded from their parents and the president isn't using policy to justify this. it's in the bible. a member of the evangelical counsel says he's wrong to do this and he's next and china is saying it is officially war. check out the gone fishing event at bass pro shops and cabela's. with free fishing at our catch-and-release pond this weekend. plus, great gifts for dad! like flag t-shirts for only $5. and an igloo 120 quart cooler for under $50.

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stunning new numbers from the trump administration, nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their parents in six weeks. six weeks are mid-april through the end of may. trump's so-called zero policy separates kids from their parents. and team trump is using the bible to justify the policy. >> i would cite you to the apostle paul in romans 2:13. obey the law of the government. >> i can say that it is biblical

to enforce the law. that is repeated a number of times in the bible. >> thank you for coming on to want. i wanted to read the exact bible verse. let everyone be subject to be the governing authorities for there is no authority except which that has established. consequently whoever rebels against the authorities is rebelling against what god has instituted and those who do so will bring -- >> i think that it is a very dangerous route to go when you begin to take selections of scr scriptures and say the bible was written to justify political standings. the bible was never written as a

political road map. the bible was written as a road map of salvation through jesus christ to give people hope, and to give life eternal and with all due respect to jeff sessions, he is wrong. and the way he did it bothered me a little bit. i felt like looking at him smiling and this is a sensitive and very emotional powerful issue that we're talking about. i'm a father of five children. i have grandchildren and we're all made in god's image. if you are going to quote scripture, let's quote that one. regardless of economic standing, we are all made in the image of god and we are all the same. >> the verse is a controversial

one perhaps because of reference to governing authorities. it has been used to justify things like slavery in the civil war and even nazi germany under hitler. do you think sessions, sanders, are unaware to what this verse has been used to justify, such horrific things like slavery and genocide. >> president trump was right this morning when he said he denounced this practice. i appreciate the president saying that. it is the right call and the bible is a pro family book. it is trying to put families together and not rip them apart. and the problem is there is laws. and i understand the attorney general is there to enforce the law. so here is where my heart leans.

as a pastor, i pastor people, i don't care if they are legal or illegal. i am going to pastor them and love them. but we do have to find the middle ground of somehow honoring the law of the land but showing percy to tmercy to the . >> you know policy well, and you are a man of faith. the president, he has the choice to enforce it. if he thinks it is a bad thing, he can stop it and stop it tomorrow and i understand you support what you are saying, you are on the president's evangelical counsel. you have been frank about his point of views. when he made the remark of s-hole countries. >> he is wrong.

there are no peoples in nations that are worthless. of every tongue and every nation. >> is the president losing your support, pastor? >> no, not in the policies. and i don't see this as the issue and the stand that the president is taking quite frankly, i heard him say today come to the table. let's be honest. >> but he is using this as a bargaining chip. he could stop it right now. he won't stop it. i am going to allow the families to be separated in the meantime. pastor, that is what is happening. he does have the ability to stop it. >> he doesn't have the ability to make law. congress makes law and he is saying to the democrats. this is not a criticism. president obama had a filibuster

proof congress. and he didn't do anything on daca. it is not a republican or democratic issue. we have to stop the bipartisan po politics. the president has said i will sign it. i will take care and have a pathway of citizenship to those who are here. >> i appreciate your time. and thank you so much. >> thank you. >> the president tonight claiming he got along with world leaders at the g7 summit. they of course said differently. what meeting was he in? and nei. and i treat my mbc with new everyday verzenio- the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. in fact, verzenio is a cdk4 & 6 inhibitor

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china says you do to us, we will do back to you. does the president care? >> reporter: he certainly does not have the ear, or is not listening to some of his constituents. the u.s. chamber of commerce, people who are conservative republican groups saying this is not a good idea at all. it will pass on increased prices to consumers. the president has long talked about this. he has campaigned on this. this is his view. the question here is those trump voters and that he is red states it is not good. iowa farmers take a $624 million hit in soybeans along if this happens. we will see if the president gets feedback on this. for now, he is listening to hard liners inside his white house.

>> thank you so much. jeff zeleny. markets shrugging it off for now. trump voters, we will see. have a great and safe weekend. "ac 360," with anderson begins right now. i am wolf blitzer sitting in for anderson. new reporting on how the president might deal with them and how others can be out of his control. we begin with paul manafort. he sits in jail tonight. marks the first time anyone associated with the trump campaign has landed behind bars. bail was revoked and the charges against him are growing. then, michael cohen, the president's personal attorney. signaling an openness to cooperating with the feds and