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chris cuomo is on at the top of the hour, but there is breaking news on capitol hill. he spoke to republicans about the policy of separating migrant children at the border. the president says only congress can fix this. the facts say otherwise. that said, with nearly 2300 kids now separated from their parents, what did the president accomplish tonight? phil mattingly joins us tonight from the capitol. what more are you learning about what happened in the president's meeting? >> reporter: yeah, anderson, their office is inundated with

phone calls, calling for a change in the separation policy. their numbers are exceedingly uneasy with the direction that trump is heading. he touched on immigration, but he also gave a freewheeling address to republican members involving everything about his visit to north korea, telling republican members to relax on their criticism because he would have it all figured out. and when it came to immigration itself, a somewhat ambiguous endorsement of two parties trying to figure things out on the house floor later this week. the president made clear that when it comes to finding funding for his wall, trying to address the daca population issue and family separation, he endorses republicans, as he said, 100% with efforts trying to get that done. the real question, though, anderson is whether or not that will actually be enough for house republicans to get either of these bills over the line. i think the bigger issue,

though, and the one that's been top of mind for republicans and democrats on capitol hill the last couple days has been the family separation issue. interestingly enough, members i talked to who were in the room said the president did, in fact, address it. his point, though, he has seen the pictures of kids crying, and he understands it's potentially politically damaging. what he did not do was say sometime in the future he would reverse his policy. his bottom line, as members describe it, was you need to do something legislatively. senate democrats say they're not going to play ball at all. republicans want to change this issue. the president can change this on his own and he can do just that. the house has two proposals, one which addresses the family separation issue. they're going to try to move that on thursday. they don't know that they have the votes for that and democrats don't support that, either. even if one of those proposals or both of them pass, there's no

future for them in the senate. here's the bottom line legislatively. there is no clear path forward right now on capitol hill. there is nothing waiting in the wings for them to grab onto if any of those legislative efforts fails, and as you know, the president has made clear he's not changing direction any time soon. what's that all mean? as republicans and democrats are improving the uneasy on capitol hill, as they continue to hear from constituents outraged by this, there is no clear fix at any point in the future as the pictures, the stories and the videos continue to come from the border, anderson. >> phil, thank you very much. kaitlan collins joins us now from the white house. what are you hearing, kaitlan? >> anderson, we saw the white house put out that statement after the president left capitol hill to clear things up. there was confusion as they had different accounts essentially of what the president had told them with some saying he outright supported the compromise bill and then others saying, no, he seemed to voice support for both. the white house did put out a statement after that saying essentially that he had had a

good meeting with those members. rod shaw, the deputy press secretary, saying, quote, in those remarks he addressed both house immigration bills and then go on to list exactly what it is the white house is looking for in those bills. right there at the end, shaw said he told members, i am with you 100%. anderson, that was the focus of the entire meeting before the brawl over separation of families happened. this was supposed to be a pep rally for the president to get behind one of these bills, to rally support for it on capitol hill because they don't seem to have the support yet. it doesn't seem the president really moved the needle tonight for any members.

he didn't really convince any of them that he's set on one bill, and of course you cannot remember or you cannot forget what the president said on friday when he was asked during that interview on fox news about the bill that he preferred. he said he would not be signing the moderate one, he did not prefer that one, one day after the white house said he did support both of them and the white house later issued a statement saying the president misheard the question, that he was supportive of both bills, would sign both. we haven't seen that kind of confidence from the president yet, and it doesn't seem that his meeting on capitol hill did a lot to change that tonight. >> the ambassador of the u.n. today, nikki haley, said they were withdrawing from the council. tell us about that. >> this is the first time the u.n. has voluntarily left that council. we saw nikki haley next to the secretary of state, mike pompeo, announcing that withdrawal today, essentially siding over what they see as this frequent criticism of israel over their treatment of the palestinians which the united states and

nikki haley essentially said they believed was unfair. this is not that surprising. nikki haley has been a fierce critic of this council, long saying she wants to withdraw or have some kind of reform. so she is withdrawing. she cited several human rights issues, notably the addition of the congo. but you can't deny this does come at a time when some members of the u.n. are criticizing the united states over that separation policy that is happening on the u.s.-mexico border itself. among the republicans in tonight's meeting, congressman bob goodlatte. he's supporting two bills. one is called the compromise bill. i talked with him shortly after the meeting ended. congressman, you were in the meeting with the president tonight. what can you tell us about it? is it clear to you where the president stands? >> yes, the president is very much committed to his four

pillars addressing the daca population, making sure that we have a secure border, closing the loopholes that exist when you get across that border, ending the visa lottery and ending those green cards for a merit-based situation that people on the daca plan can utilize. i think it's a very good plan. >> sources on the other side said the president only talked about separation of kids from their families in the context of political optics, not the actual policy. is that accurate and is that acceptable to you? >> no, i think the president said that it was a terrible situation, it's always a terrible situation when you separate children from parents. so i think he truly wants to resolve this issue, but he also needs to have the tools so that the children can be kept with their parents while the parents

are detained for a trial on their illegal entry into the united states. introduced today, which is a part of the new consensus legislation includes the provisions necessary to do just that. >> the president, though, could change the zero tolerance policy right now if he really wanted to stop separating children from their parents, isn't that correct? >> every president has faced this dilemma. if you stop it, then you have to release families with their children into the interior of the country with a court date that they're supposed to appear at later on. many of them never return for the court date. so that's the reason for enacting this policy, both to send the message that this is the wrong way to seek entry in the united states, but also to make sure that when we detain them, their children can be with them, but they are going to be detained at the border and not allowed into the country until it is determined that they are entitled to be in the country. >> is this not, though, something the president could act on immediately? i mean, even just temporarily while the bills are moving through?

it's not clear if they're going to pass or not. couldn't the president just stop the separation of families immediately? >> i think the president feels that it's very important that we address both problems at the same time in terms of making sure that we have the tools to handle the situation and that we allow children to be with their parents in these circumstances. and as you know from the media coverage, both president obama and president bush have had this problem as well. >> you do acknowledge this has been a change in policy. >> well, yes, and there have been changes of policies back and forth with previous administrations as well. and the fact of the matter is, this is in response to a problem of the word getting back to central america and other places where folks are coming from that, hey, this trump administration has laws that tie their hands and they can't keep

your children with you, so they're releasing you into the interior of the country. we've had instances of people having other people's children, we've had instances of people saying, bring your children, it will make it easier to get into the country. >> one doesn't exactly tie their hands. it is a choice they're making on where to put the emphasis. >> well, they need to solve this problem, and congress needs to help them, and we need to do it quickly, but we also need to make sure that we have the understanding that this is the wrong way for people to bring children here in the first place. the responsibility of a parent who should be with their young child of bringing them all the way across mexico, hiring human smugglers, going across the desert or across rivers, that's not good for children, either, and it's really important that we solve this problem in a way that is humane for those children. and sends the message that the rule of law has got to be respected.

>> is the current policy, which does separate children, is the separating of children from their families, is that humane currently? >> i think that a policy that separates the children has got to be compared with a policy of allowing people to smuggle children into the country illegally and then continue to do that on into the interior of the country with no intention of ever returning for the hearing that's involved. you have to balance both of those equities and that's what the congress is going to attempt to do here. >> you're not saying it's humane, though? >> i think children should be with their parents. i also think parents should be responsible. >> congressman, good luck. i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. a lot more ahead tonight including the administration's claims about the treatment of children in federal custody. we'll talk about it with lawmakers who visited some of the holding facilities. i will. but first, a little presentation.

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america. the administration, as you know, has pointed with pride as conditions there. >> we're doing the right thing. we're taking care of these children. they are not being abused. the health and human services holds them in good conditions. >> we have high standards. we give them meals. we give them education. we give them medical care. there's videos, there's tvs. i visited the detention centers myself. >> so has democratic congresswoman norma torres, herself an immigrant from central america. congresswoman, thank you so much for being with us. you heard secretary nielsen praise the quality of the detention facilities. i know you visited at least two of them in the san diego area, one where families were together and one with unaccompanied minors. do you share the secretary's

view? >> reporter: absolutely not. this is zero policy that comes directly from president trump. there is no law on any book. if there is, i would like for the secretary herself to point it out to me. >> the facilities you visited yourself, were they acceptable in terms of conditions? >> look, anderson, when the secretary and president trump talk about immigration, it is a very broad issue. we're talking about visas, we're talking about daca, we're talking about general immigration reform. what we did, myself and several members of congress this weekend, was we visited the children. children, toddlers. they're inside a jail cell freezing to death, 70-degree temperature with air blowing so hard on them that they have to be covered. to not call that cruelty to children is ridiculous. >> you said freezing to death. you're not talking literally, obviously. >> well, when children have to be covered by an aluminum blanket or, you know, a blanket that they have been given because they're sitting on the floor, the temperature in the room is set at 70 degrees but

they have these giant fans that are blowing air throughout the very, very small space because they have a toilet, remember, in this cell that is being shared by two or three other families. now, this is a facility that they are supposed to be there no more than 72 hours. how is an 18-month-old supposed to cope in a facility that is so cold, that has no natural light and has no furniture whatsoever, not even a single chair for them to sit on? >> the president continues to say this is congress' problem to fix. you see it in that tweet that he just sent calling it a nasty law. the administration obviously put the law in place and it's their policy on how they are following through on this law, and yet the president does act like he

cannot do anything about it. >> the president created this policy. the president created this mandate and gave it to his chief of staff who then directed his entire administration. they are following his direction. if the president wanted to be a humanitarian about how he deals with toddlers, he can stop this and he can do something about it today. >> if in congress republicans put forward a focused plan or focused bill to stop the separation of families, is that something you would support? >> i would absolutely want to look at that. i myself, as a member of the rules committee, am looking where we can introduce legislation, maybe amendments, to deal with this issue alone. we know that this is a bipartisan issue. we know republicans from the

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attorney general jeff sessions spoke about nazi germany last night on fox news when asked a question about the president's zero tolerance policy on illegal immigration. here's how the exchange went. >> nazi germany, concentration camps, human rights violations. laura bush has weighed in, michelle obama, melania trump. you have all the first ladies. general sessions, what's going on here? >> in nazi germany, they were keeping the jews from leaving the country, but this is a serious matter. we need to think it through, be rational and thoughtful about it. we want to allow asylum for people who qualify for it. >> with me now is harvard law school's alan dershowitz. he's the author of the new book called "the case of impeaching trump." alan, i want to know what's

going through your mind when asked about comparisons to nazi germany, his only kind of issue seemed to be that the germans, the nazis were trying to keep jews in the country. >> look, what's going on in the border is bad enough without making comparisons to nazi germany at all. michael hayden shouldn't have made a comparison posting a picture of auschwitz, and the attorney general of the united states should not be misleading the american public about what happened in nazi germany. in the first phase of nazi germany, they tried to get rid of all the jews, send them out of the country. no country in the world would accept them and that's when they decided to exterminate all the jews, to murder them in death camps. the idea of making these kinds of comparisons is inadvertently a small form of holocaust denial, because it makes the listener think, oh, my gosh, that's all that happened to jews in germany?

they were put in detention camps? i think we need to stay away from making these kinds of analogies to nazi germany. what's going on on the border is bad enough, and the president has the right to stop it. i'm appalled at the president's statement that he doesn't have the power to reunite these families. >> you're saying he does. >> of course he does. the same article 2 that gives him the kind of power he complains of in another context gives him the power to see that the laws are faithfully executed. the way to faithfully execute laws is not to separate families. he has so many other options. you can deport the families as a unit. you can detain them as a unit. i'm not suggesting any of these

are good ideas, but the worst idea is to separate a three or four or five-year-old child from their parents no matter how good or bad the conditions are. the very act of separating a child from a parent with somewhat potential trauma is unacceptable. nobody seems to agree with it. nobody in the administration, the republican party are opposed to it, the white house are opposed to it, the president's own family are opposed to it. he just has to stop it. he has to sign a document today or make a phone call, and he personally can put an end to it. >> i mean, it can't just be a misunderstanding, though, on his part that he's not able to do that. he has repeatedly said this is all the democrats' fault and that this has to be done by congress, and that, you know, he's as unhappy as everybody else about the images that we're seeing. >> well, he's just wrong as a matter of law. look, whoever is at fault, that's in the past. the question is does the current president have the power today to order that no families be separated? the answer to that is as clear as anything could be as a matter of constitutional law, especially because this president claims unitary

executive. when he clings to obstruction of justice, he clings to article 2. the same article 2 that he uses to defend himself gives him the authority to not only fire comey but to make sure the laws are faithfully executed, meaning that they're not executed in a manner that offends human rights and the constitution of the united states. once people are in america, a child is entitled to due process and that means not being separated from a parent. so the president is not only wrong, he's completely inconsistent with the defenses he's been making and the defenses i've been making for him. >> the president could also just temporarily halt the separation of families, reverting to the policy that existed before they instituted the zero tolerance policy while congress is working on a more comprehensive solution, which the president is saying, and his supporters are saying, is what he really wants.

>> of course he can do that. he can simply say, as of tomorrow, no families are separated. now let's consider other options, let's consider other possibilities. there is nothing in the law that requires separation or even permits separation of families. they make the absurd argument that when somebody is arrested, inevitably there is a separation. but normally when people are separated, they are sent out on bail, there are other family members to take care of the child. this is just outrageous misapplication of the law, and the buck stops here, as harry truman said. there is only one person who can now unilaterally stop this. that's the president of the united states. congress can then pass legislation looking at the bigger picture, but in the meantime, and we always live in the meantime, the president can stop this himself. there is absolutely no constitutional doubt about that.

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white house adviser stephen miller and jeff sessions share a history. both were seen as immigration hard liners. to discuss the history, white house correspondent michael shear, who wrote a background piece on each man, and david axelrod, senior adviser to

president obama. much of what they advocated for led to this moment. do you have a sense if they knew it would escalate like this? >> well, i don't know that they perfectly mapped out the political crisis that this has become for -- especially for republicans, but they clearly understood that the result of the policy of zero tolerance that sessions announced would, in fact, lead to separating families from -- separating children from their parents. when i talked to stephen miller in his office at the white house about a week or so ago, it was clear that he understood, and in fact, the idea was to send a really strong deterrent message and that this was going to be part of the a crackdown at the border that would change the migration patterns that he sees as so destructive to america. >> david, it is interesting, because now the administration

seems to be downplaying the idea that this was meant to be a deterrence, but certainly from comments that sessions has made and comments that stephen miller has made and general kelly has made, it clearly was designed to try to deter long term. >> without question right from the very beginning of the administration. i mean, if it's -- if it wasn't meant to be a deterrent, what was it meant to be? it also appears to be, or they thought it was, or at least the president thought it was a point of political leverage to try and get his other immigration positions affirmed by congress, and i think that's going to be a spectacular failure.

i think it's more likely that congress is going to feel the need to act on this issue alone rather than embrace the president's total immigration package. >> michael, stephen miller is quoted in your article as saying there is no straying from that mission, referring to what's happening at the border. republican senator lindsey graham today says he always felt miller's view on immigration has been, quote, outside the mainstream. is there, within this crisis, a test of who has more influence over the president, stephen miller or a congressional republican? >> right. well, i think there is something of a test. i don't think the answer is much in doubt, at least for now. stephen miller has been one of the longest lasting people in this administration as aides

have come and gone rather quickly. stephen miller has still been there. he started early on in the campaign. he's a person that both shares the president's kind of gut feeling on immigration, and he has been the architect, really, of the president's immigration agenda. and i think those who bet on the fact that the president is somehow going to yield to some of this pressure with people like miller and jeff sessions and john kelly whispering in his ear on these things, i think are betting on the wrong side. my sense is that's not where he's going to go, and if he does in the end, it's really only going to be because of intense political pressure. in this case he seems defiant in the face of that. >> david, sheeter volume of negative headlines and pushback even from high-profile republicans, do you see a scenario in which president trump second-guesses the wisdom of what sessions and miller have done? >> how many times have we had this conversation, is he going to back off? certainly this time he has to back off. one thing we've learned, he doesn't back off, and i think it's unfair to the president to suggest he's somehow in the thrall of miller and sessions on this issue. they reflect his thinking and he reflects theirs, and that was

the basis of their union together in the first place. so i think that the combination of trump's unwillingness to relent and his genuine belief that this is the right thing to do makes it unlikely that he'll back off, unless the congress forces it on him and passes something by a veto proof majority that he has to accept. >> david, i also want to ask you about the position by the u.s. to pull out of the u.n. council, the council accused of having a bias. this comes after human action on the border unconscionable. i want to know your thoughts. >> the u.n. human rights council has people on there who are human rights abusers. they have been slanted against israel on many instances. the obama administration, their view was better to be inside the

room and try to influence that than isolate yourself and leave the room. john bolton was opposed to this creation of this in the first place when he was at the u.n., so, you know, he i'm sure had a view on this as well. but the thing that's stunning about it is nikki haley in announcing this said they're trying to whitewash human rights abuses of people who sit on the council just one week after the president spent so much time trying to whitewash the human rights abuses of north korea. by the way, north korea and iran are one of only three other countries that won't participate on the human rights council. so the whole thing is a little bit hard to explain. >> david axelrod, michael shear, thanks. up next, an up close look at what asylum seekers are facing as they wait for a decision whether or not they can stay in the country. earlier in the program when you're particular,

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democratic senator jeff merkley talked about what they go through on the border. people about to go through that process are waiting, trying to go through that process. jeff talked to people on the border trying to go through the process. it takes a court date but a lot of them are waiting. >> this is roberto and his son oscar. how did it go? very good, very good, roberto said. he and his son are from guatemala and they're in nogales, arizona. they're still fearful and don't want their faces shown. roberto said they were robbed on the train on the way to the u.s. they had machetes and guns. they took my money and my food.

they waited in mexico for eight days. they waited in this line in nogales, mexico for two days before he was called in for an interview. an interview that could have expelled them immediately from the u.s. or allowed them to wait for court hearings. >> how long did you talk to them? ten minutes first. and then 30 minutes the second interview. >> reporter: what kinds of things was he asked during the interviews? in addition to questions about violence in guatemala, he says he was asked, did your president, your government, your police send you here? i said, no, i came here out of necessity. this is where father and son are now staying, the casa elitas, a house run by catholic services in tucson, arizona.

>> we help them understand the buses and give them more understanding of the courts. >> they are to wear ankle bracelets to keep that can of their whereabouts. roberto has a court date. he says he will attend. and this family came from brazil. what i've been told is america is a thousand times better. 11-year-old nicoli says, i want to study medicine and become a doctor. dennis' court hearing is on july 3rd near his friend's home -- >> boston. >> reporter: the initial cart -- court hearing is an initial

step in the process. they could both get sent back to their country, but the men say they're hopeful. >> are you glad to be here? happy for your son. >> gary joins me now from tucson, arizona. gary, how long could the whole process take for somebody? >> anderson, i talked to roberto and dennis about that. not surprisingly, they have no idea how long it could take. roberto said his court hearing is in two weeks in mississippi. he thought it could be all done right then. if you're rejected, it could go very quick. if you go to court, you could get kicked out of the country. but if you go to court, obey the law, it could still take years. an average of two to four years. an extraordinary doctor working to make a big difference for orphan kids around the world. i traveled to haiti where music and games are the forefront of her efforts to promote learning. "champions for change" is next.

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millions of children all over the world. children's whose parents can't care for them or give them up to live in orphanages or have died. what will happen to them? an organization called worldwide orphans that work to improve the lives of kids that work without family members left to care for them. we're telling the story of people that are making a difference around the world. this is called champions for change that gives us an opportunity to work along side these change makers. i traveled to haiti with the doctor to experience firsthand her work. take a look. there's some 75,000 children

living in orphanages in haiti. the vast majority of these kids will never be adopted. how can we help improve their lives? that's the question dr. jade aaronson has dedicated her live to answering. she runs a foundation could worldwide orphans or wwo, she's worked in haiti and organizations around the country, one way to help these kids learn and laugh. wwo funds programs in local schools and orphanages to help promote play as a tool of learning. >> it's about using music as a way to learn to be playful. >> and they train teachers to be active participants in the class. that's the school principal on the drums.

so, these are all kids who live in the area? >> yeah. absolutely. wow, so, little. music and play isn't just about having fun, it's about helping kids grow. >> why have a toy library? >> it's the idea that toys and play enhances learning. a very simple idea i've been that's been studied over the 100 years. >> play have a -- with children? >> it changes the brain. ♪ >> at the work wo programs in haiti, it's not just orphans, all disadvantaged kids are welcome. >> when is the last time you played like this? >> this is 3-year-old ja venue that, her father abandoned her and her mother works as a volunteer with ww ork.

she's not enrolled in preschool, this toy library is where she learns. when we first meet her, she's quiet. you want to try the -- wow. but after using the blocks to play she becomes animated and engaged. >> oh, no. >> she has a little attachment going on. >> she's very sweet. i like your hair. >> yeah, see, this is what you have going on right now. you were successful in communing with her and getting her attention, then she got close to you. >> i've heard you say a child has at least one adult to love them they can be healthy. >> yes, absolutely. health and emotionally physically.

the adult serves as their secure attachment figure, provide them with good education and support they need when they face challenges. >> dr. aaronson first got involved in haiti after the earthquake. we were here 8 years ago in a hospital when a 5-year-old boy was rushed in. he'd been trapped underneath the rubble of his home for more than 7 days. >> what's he's saying? >> he want to drink some juice. >> amazingly he survived. the ten members of his family, including his parents did not. in the year since, dr. arison has stepped in and helped care for him and his brother. she brought us to meet him now, he's 13 and lives with his brother and extended family at porta prince. >> he was quiet. >> he was in a sense of

paralysis for years. >> thanks to the foundation he is in school. he wants to one day become a doctor or a soccer player. in haiti, soccer is a big part of work wo's learning program. organized activities gives kids a sense of normalcy? >> yes, they end up having perimeter. >> even just being on a team playing a sport, it changes a kids' brain. >> they're dna forever is changed. >> if you can get to kids early enough with enough love and adult attention it forever changes -- >> absolutely. we have so many examples of it. we now are watching our kids grow.

>> monly joins us on the field as well. watching him laugh and play like any other 13-year-old boy is remarkable considering what he's been through. he's an example of the good work that dr. jane arinson and wwo are doing on the ground if haiti and around the world. with more funding there's no telling what they can do to help this generation of kids grow up to be happy and healthy. >> worldwide orphans is a new fund raising initiatives with a serious of a goal of raising $50,000. all donations are welcome.

you will find more about their initiatives at wwo.org. we'll continue to share in these stories all week. you with also watch the champions for change the special on saturday at 1:00 p.m. that's all for now. time to hand it over to don lemon. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. children still being taken from their parents on the border tonight. as trump met with house republicans behind closed doors, calling on him to pass legislation to fix the mess he made. >> these are laws that have been broken for many years, decades, we had a great meeting. >> sources telling cnn the president didn't take questions from members of his own party. went on and on for a promise about his border wall and it will cost $25 million to build it. we'll talk about that.