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mattis say he's not weaponizing space, what he talking about is defense. how do you protect america from its adversaries in the cosmos. wolf? >> army playing navy on the b football field, how about the space force on the football field one of these days. all right, thanks very much for that. that's it for me. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> next, change of heart. heart is the reason he's stopping the separation of children at the border. so why did he start it in the first place? plus, whobt the thousands of children who are separated tonight including infants and toddlers? the executive order the president signed today does nothing b about them and fissionifission i fixing for a fight. michael cohen slams the president's policy. is he flipping before our eyes? let's go "outfront." good evening. tonight, the breaking news. president trump caves. in a stunning about face, the president in a matter of hour,
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went from defending the separation of children from their parents to signing an executive order that stops the policy. so why now? >> we're going to keep the families together. i didn't like the sight or the feeling of families being separated. ivanka feels very strongly about it. my wife feeling very strongly b about it. i feel strongly about it. anybody with a heart would feel strongly about it. >> anyone with heart. the problem is this started because of president trump. it have his policy which w administered by his department of homeland security. defended bihis justice department and if this is b about heart as b he says, why did president trump not have one to with? he defended this policy for days, even as pictures of children in cages were shown worldwide. even as we heard the voices of those children crying, because frankly, this was the president
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of the united states. up until this morning. >> when you prosecute the parents for coming in illegally, which should happen, you have to take the children away. the united states will not be a migrant camp. and it will not be a refugee holding fa holding facility. they've got to go through the process and maybe it's politically correct. or maybe it's not. >> we saw the pictures. heard the cries and he said you had to do it. but then today he said anyone with a heart would say don't do it. as he defended the policy, his advisers, supporters, went to the air waves to defend taking the children away and in some crass ways. >> i read today about a 10-year-old girl with down syndrome taken from her mother and put in a cage. >> if you come across our border without permission, you are an invader. no other word. >> you know what it sounds like?
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exactly the same as sometimes i go to a gym where they have a day care and some kids cry when they leave them. >> excemept they get to come ba a half an hour later. they have said the policy is inhumane, erosion of american values. something that needs to stop immediately. a number of christian heed lead also turned on the president. he pulled a 180. ening the policy with the stroesk a pen, policy he said he could not alter through executive order. listen. bottom lib is that the president signed an executive order and ended the policy. jeff is "outfront" live in duluth, minnesota. that is where the president is
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about to speak. so why the sudden 180? 2 sudden change f course? >> the fact we are here if duluth, minnesota, at the beginning of what is expected to be b a one rally a week push u to the midterm election campaign, that says a lot to what led to the president's decision today. i am told the president after meeting with republicans, he knew this was an untenable policy. it is about the images as we've been talking about for r ddays. i'm told the president was looking for an exit ramp. this is one he found. but the reality is as he was talking about he didn't need an executive order, in fact, he didn't need an executive order. he could have done this at any point along the way. he could have done this on the phone. by instructing his department. but he wanted the show of executive order, but a lot of it can be answered by images and
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the fact as you can see behind me here, at a rally. key ballots here. republicans were consumed and afraid of this. >> the order doesn't actually address that children, 2,000 or more of whom have been separated from their parents and are in custody. >> that is what we are being told tonight that none of these people who have already been separate. none of the some 2300 children will be b affected by this executive order. they say they will not. this official also tells cnn that the o niehanus is on the p
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to find their children who have already been separated from them. so erin, this is going to go on for longer to come. the children who have been separateded does nothing for them. >> i want to go now to jason miller. forer senior communications add virz. joan walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation and ann millgrim, the special litigation counsel for human traffic and crimes. so you know a lot about this situation overall. for the kids in custody now, 2300 of them, the onus is founon their parents to find them. who are going through the justice system and being prosecuted. does this order do anything to solve the problem? >> doesn't have anything to do with 2300 kid who have been separated and right now, the federal government is not offering any information on who those kid rs, where they're
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located. maybe it would be more forthcoming with parent, but think b about the fact they're in the middle of criminal process for trying to enter the country unlawfully and they'll likely be deported. most of the outcome is fines, misdemeanors, often not incarceration. so think about a parent being sent home to a foreign country trying to find a child in the yit. how will they get access to that information. >> and every day that goes by, you're talking about often extremely young children whob who are separated. >> keep in mind that it's not like the parent can go back if they were taken at the border. >> child was there waiting for you. >> the child will not be there. >> jason, you heard the president say anybody with a heart would feel strongly about it. those are true words. yesterday he is you got to do it. take the kids wii way. defended it again and again and again. so what change d? >> well, we know that the president said stars baas far a
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back as last friday he knew that this wasn't a good look. that this was going to then ultimately cut against his policy of zero tolerance in at the border. i want to know who's gi ben the president the legal advice that this has to go through congress and be impacted and he couldn't take this on the action because clearly today was a reversal in course. hemts to have this policy. and now they're shifti ining direction. it was 48, 72 hours andrea these aren't good aimages. we need to keep the families together even if they're te p t deported. i don't know if it's someone at the doj or dhs, clearly, it was
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a different interpretation. >> i commend you for your effort, but we know this president watches the news avidly and if he was watching any news organization worth his salt, he knew full well he didn't need congress. if he listened to anybody from congress, he knew he didn't need congress. he knew he could do this with a phone call. i just, i don't buy it. okay. >> respectfully speaking, the point that i make is even since the president signed this eo this afternoon, b i've seen a number of commentators across all across networks and different online publications who said this still doesn't go and solve the problem. there's more congress has to do. so i'd say this doesn't solve the entire issue that's going on. >> i think it was done deliberately because he wanteded
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to create a crisis. he wanted them as bargaining chips. he thought he heard a good policy from jeff sessions and steven miller. this is cool, this is good, this is going to work. we're going to hold these kids hostage until we get our 25 billion dlrt wall. but republicans didn't go along with it and democrats didn't either. from when jeff says the onus is on the parents, that is devastating. it's cut funding to groups who had been providing for legal and other kinds of services to face their court dates and track their children. the parent rs in a criminal system. they are in dhs, the kids are now offer many of them with health and human services. they're not in the same system and what i've been hearing from people who visited these facilities and talked to the parents, they have no idea where their kids are and no one can help them.
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>> i'm confused about the president. here he is on friday and here he is today. on his ability to solve this crisis. >> signing an executive order. >> that is as stark as it can get. >> this was always a policy decision. it's a smoke screen, no legal basis for this first of all. second of all, it is not lawful. there is an existing court decision. that mandates that you can cannot incarcerate children and families. we should all be very clear this is not a win.
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the idea is that children and parents would be incarcerated together under the department of hoemd homeland security. >> right now, it cannot be more than 20 days. i don't believe a court will stand by that. i think they'll require that the children at a minimum be released within that 20-day period. but we should be clear cha as of this moment, we've gone from children being acceseparated to children being held in prison like facilities with their parents and the president is asking for that to be indefinite and that's not consist went the law, but the united states constitution or american values. >> is it consistent with having a heart? zbr ings so because some of the internally is is telling the president that the legal strategy was that he couldn't and do this.
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>> is it consistent to jail children with their parents to have a heart? >> they're not going to be -- >> they're going to try to process these children and if they don't go through the pros, they're going to be sent home. that gets us back to the broader debate here, what's the fundamental problem is that folks are coming into the country illegally. we need to build the wall. >> i don't want to have an argument with you, but is the solution here to build a wall to keep these people out or try to figure out the reason they're coming. the reason they're being subjected to situations where they think the best thing to do is to come to a country they know. >> and that's why we need tho comprehensive approach. we need to talk about folks here right now. that's why i like the ted cruz plan to increase the number of
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judge, make sure that we have plenty of holding space. >> i think a a couple of days ago, he was okay with it, so the optics were terrible. the president has used this as an excuse. he's looking for something that's probably not constitutional and what i'm hearing from people on the border, my friends who are lawyers and also reporters is that in these courtrooms and ann can speak to this better, this these courtroom, you used to see 90% of the people in front of these judges were there because they were getting kicked out of the country because they committed a violent crime. we are not dealing with m-13 and violent criminals. l we are dealing with nonviolent parents trying to get a better life for their kids.
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we may see violent criminals slip through the system. >> that doesn't mean that everybody that's cg in has no record. doesn't mean that everybody's coming in, doesn't mean any harm. >> i'm not saying they don't have a record. the people being processed we know what they have and don't have. and they don't have records. >> we still have, not at 10%. there's not a 100% record on people having no records or not being a part. >> i'm saying 90%. not 100%. you're right. >> not sure of the stat you're referring to. i haven't seen that. but even if it is 90%, that's still leaves a 10% of the people that are trying to commit, actors in this process.e bad whether they're drug trafficker, human traffickers or gang members. and we have to secure our borders! the same with syrian ref yugees and kick them out. >> but even to that point -- >> it's a very different
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conclusion. ann, the final word. >> i think one of the points we've been talking about is really important is that within 20 days, everyone in the united states is entitled to due process of law. whether you're an american citizen or you're not. that means there has to be a legal process to make sure everything is done fairly. there's no way that will happen. >> we don't have enough places to detain families. we don't have enough judges or time. so those children can possibly under this order be detained for months and years for tase is casing to go throughhe system. that can't be right. >> and again, the heart. thank you all and next, more on the breaking new, we're learning who was working behind the scenes to end the policy. to the first lady and ivanka deserve the credit? plus, toddlers and infants being held at tender age detention centers and tonight, we are live at one of those tender age facilities and michael cohen taking on trump on this issue.
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breaking news. wee moments away from the president who will be speaking. he's going to start doing campaign rallies once a week. it is in minnesota. this comes as he signed an executive order to stop the separation of families who illegally crossed the u.s. mexico border, but he also voes to remain tough on the border,
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warning millions of immigrants in his words, will overtake the country if he isn't. >> we want to keep family together. tat same time, we have to be strong at the border. otherwise, you'll have million of people coming up not thousands like we have now. millions of people throwing up and just overtaking the country. we're not letting that happen. >> now jose ramos. okay. let's start with this. a million people flowing up and just overtaking the country. >> he's lying. he doesn't know what he's talking about. more mexicans are living in the united states than coming to this country and for the last decade trk number of undocumented immigrants has remained stable. not only that. we know that the majority of the
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immigrants in this country are not criminals and terrorists. they simply come here to get a better life and to help us. and the number of arrests at the border are 40-year-olds. i know the optics, what president trump is is trying to do. he's trying to portray even as criminals, as terrorists and that is not true. he's lying again. there are not millions of immigrants coming to this country. >> well for all of us, you, me, everyone watching, children, grandchildren, whatever you might be, it all comes to immigration. that's what this country is all about unless you're native american. you urged president trump to end the separation. you used the word torture to describe what's been happening here and now the president's come out with this executive order which of course we all know he didn't need to do. he could have done it with phone call. said he couldn't do it by executive order, but by congress. never the less, it is now signed. are you sats fied?
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>> the headline would be the president signs an executive order against himself because this is a crisis created by him. no love for him, no love require him to separate. and what he had is made the seven thand will continue. this change is absolutely nothing. he's still putting children in jail. still putting children in cages and the only difference is that families will be together, but there are many, many legal problems with that. they may be put families together in detention centers for 20 day, but what about after that? >> barack obama faced the same problem in 2014 and 2015. he had thousands of refugee families in detention centers then the federal court decided no, you cannot do that.
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president trump is replacing the same problems right now. >> a white house official, the president, you heard him say ivanka was upset, melania was upset. but we understand that the first lady, melania trump, workeded hard behind the scenes to get her husband to stop this. having private conversations with him in addition to what he admitted today. do you think that's why this happened? or you know, ie melania and i n ivanka or do you think jorge this was just the pure politics of the mainstream republicans that the president loathed so publicly turning on him? >> i think everything helped a little bit. maybe melania had something to do with it. i really hope so because she's an immigrant and we need her voice. i don't know what's her voice. her voice is really needed in moments like this. and but fact is there was a lot of pressure. pope francis said it was
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immoral. a presidential candidate who might win the elections in mexico, he said he was racist poli. it wasn't sustainable. this is torture. what president trump is is doing is torture. i've been check iing about the n and torture of the convention. and in both cases, when you separate children from their parents, that's torture and when you are punishing the children for actions taken by their parents, that's torture. that's exactly what president trump was doing even though he might not want to recognize it. >> you've talked ed about the story of a 10-year-old girl with down's syndrome. just so viewers now, u.s. customs said the mother was being held in a smuggling operation so this separation didn't happen as a result of the family separation policy. >> but they're still separateded. >> and the former campaign
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manager for trump thought that it was. it was because of the separation policy. and when he was asked about it last night, and appeared to mock her, so i wanted to play what he want last night. he was given jorge a chance to apologize to her and his response. here it is. >> i read today about a 10-year-old girl who was taken from her mother and put in a cage. i read about a, did you say wha wha to a 10-year-old with down syndrome? how dare you? >> do you feel you owe an apology of any sort? >> i owe an apology to the children whose parents are putting them in the position that is forcing them to be separateded. >> incredible. >> incredible. >> i would say two things. first, i wonder if corey would say exactly the same thing b about an american girl with down syndrome. >> i think it's a double standard. most of the kids that we're talking about come from honduras
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and el salvador, one thing. then the example. president trump and candidate trump mocked "the new york times" correspondent with disabilities during the campaign. that's the tan standard and out comes curry, hi friend, mocking a 10-year-old mexican girl with disabilities. i think hate is conte joyce and it come frs the top down and president trump, candidate trump, mocks with disabilities. and i'm sure for saying this, we're going to be flooded with insults on social media in just a few minutes, but that's the problem. when it's run, when president trump is the one insulting, when president trump is the one making racest statements, they're doing exactly the same. >> thank you, good to talk to you. >> jorge ramos. and next, our breaking news coverage continues despite trump's executive order, the administration says congress is
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still on you. >> we will be going through congress. we are calling on congress. >> we ask congress to do their part. >> so will they? congressman jackie speier is "outfront." plus, is the president's zero tolerance policy stopping anyone from trying to come into the united states? we're going to go to the border to one of those tender age facilities. come here, babe. ok. nasty nighttime heartburn? try new alka-seltzer pm gummies. the only fast, powerful heartburn relief plus melatonin so you can fall asleep quickly. ♪ oh, what a relief it is! and we got to know the friends of our friends.r the friends. then our old friends from middle school, our mom, our ex and our boss joined forces to wish us happy birthday. then we discovered our uncle use to play in a band. and realized he was young once too.
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what the government calls tender age detention centers. one of those facilities in texas took pictures of a girl who is about 12 months old. nick valencia is "outfront." >> this former hospital brownsville, texas is one of three detention center, house ing around 80 of them, 10 years and younger without their parents. the three facilities was first reported by associated press and have been rapidly repurposed to serve the needs of children including some under 5. >> our understanding as of our visit on monday is that the 40 children who were separated from their parents are here directly as a result of the zero tolerance policy. >> texas congressman, a democrat whose district includes brownsville, said the facility was very different than the sound frs the border wrrk over 2,000 children have been acce separated from their families.
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>> instead, it's run by a private company called southwest key. he says the facility still looks very much like a hospital and has staff members watching the children. >> there is constant attention and the people working here are doing what they can under the circumstances. zpl cnn attempted to gain success to the facility. zpl we can't let anybody on the property. >> and was told to call a phone number. no one answered. >> please leave a message and i will call you back. >> the ceo says his facilities are safe for children. >> regardless of policy, that's not our job. our job is is to take care of kids. that's what we do and we do it very well and somebody's got to take care of these children because if we don't, who's going to take care of them? sf >> still, the policy raises many questions about how the u.s. could allow these separations to happen and why it took so long for the white house to come up with a fix. >> when you walk into a room and
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there are two children, one the age of 8 months, the other almost 1 who is without their parent and you begin to think and realize these children that are fod todd lehrs are being held hostage by the president of the united states, it's abhorrent. >> there's a lot of uncertainty about how families will be reuniteded. a man's child was ripped away. his 3-year-old asked to go to the bathroom, two officials took him away and that's the last time he saw his child. at this point, he says all he wants to know is where his child is and if he'll ever see him again. >> thank you. now to jackie speier of california. going to texas this weekend to see the facilities. we just heard what nick's reporting. that's one example. 3-year-old child. goes to the bathroom.
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doesn't come back. there are three facilities in texas. the ones he was talking about. you've got kids under 10 years old. what are you being told about how these kids are going to get reunited with their parents? >> that's the big issue. there's no plan to reunite these parents with their children. these 20 children at the border patrol have no way of knowing where their parents are. nor the parents where their children are. this is a disgrace, erin. and it shows a moral deficit in this administration and in the president that has reached the highest levels in america's psy psyche and you have felt the outrage everywhere. republican, democrat, independent. and i think this fig leaf that the president signed this afternoon is is nothing more and
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has no value than the paper it is written on. because the policy has not been revoked. that is what triggered all of this. now you're going to allow these families to stay united for 20 day, then what? i think what we have learned is that if you allow these families to be processed and you have an electronic monitoring system, they have a 99.8% record of having them show u at the appropriate time for their hearing. to determine whether or not there's credible fear for them to seek asylum. so why aren't we doing that? >> instead of jailing them or putti putting them in a camp, whatever the word, you're saying you have a 99.8% chance they show up when asked to of their own vol.
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after signing the order, they have all said, which they've been saying in recent days, but even after, they are still saying that up to you. it's up to congress. here they are. >> we'll be going through congress. working on a much more comprehensive bill. >> we look forward and expect the house to act this week. we ask them to do their job. >> do your job whachl do you say to that? >> well, let's start by having the house republicans who are in the majority do something more than just try to fashion a bill their membership can support. they don't even have votes in their own caucus to pass either of the bills that they have been contemplating. if thoemt work with us, they need the to come and meet with us. they have not indicated an
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interest in working with democrats. >> before we go, i want to ask you about a video. this was from last night. it's protesters shouting when she was at a mexican raunt. >> she was forced to leave. the conservative radio host says hey, progressives, you do understand, i hope, when you target government employees for harassment, show up at restaurants an intimidate cabinet members, you're behaving like you might be wear iing a brown shirt. obviously reference to nazi germany, which has been thrown around on many sides. what do you say? >> i would say what happened there was probably spontaneous.
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those weren't progressives. those were just people who are disgusted by the way the administration was okay the to separate parents and their children. under no circumstances is anything less than child abuse and when you have the american academy of pediatrics saying this is irreparable harm. >> are you okay when someone is at a private restaurant? >> i suppose everyone has the right to have dinner where ever they want. i can't speak to whether that was spontaneous from people in the restaurant or if people followed her there. i don't know the facts and the situation. but i do know that if you foment hate as the president does on a daily basis, in his base, it also creates a reaction by others. we need to recognize that if wemt to be known as manager other than ugly americans, we
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have got to act like beautiful americans. and right now, that's not coming out of the the administration. >> thanks for your time. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> and next, breaking news. president trump insisting people can still enter the united states if -- >> they can come in through ports of entry if they want. that's the whole different story. >> if they want. okay. so can they? we're at the border at the port of entry. we're going to fact check it. plus, president trump blasting immigrants. what's he saying when he uses words like breeds and infests? hm rewards me basically everywhere i stay. so why am i stomping grapes with aerobics enthusiasts near this b&b? or doing goat yoga at this mountain resort? or treating a destination wedding to the sweet sound of pug bongos? because hotels.com lets me do me. where my dogs at? oh, here they are. hotels.com. you do you and get rewarded.
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while signing order, pruch insists that people who come in through proper channels will be welcomed in the united states. >> they can come in through ports of enter tri. that's coming in through a process and that's what we want. >> for many families trying to enter right way, they learn quickly that they have no shot in they go that way. ed lavandera is "outfront." >> the shelter sits inside this compound in a ramshackled neighborhood in mexico on the edge of the rio grande.
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it's where we found christian ortiz cleaning up the mattresses soaked by an overnight rainstorm. ortiz showed us the slashing scars on his back, the beating drove him north, leaving his two behind. he says these are the scars where he was whipped by gang members in honduras and his family was threatened if he didn't join the gang. >> in recent weeks, the trump administration has moved to make it more difficult for central american immigrant to win asylum cases. >> he says he doesn't have the documentation, only the scars, so he's not convinced that would be enough to get asylum in the united states. >> he feels like the only option he has is to cross the rio fwrand illegally, so now replans on how to colossross on a raft. >> for years, trump officials are urged migrants to seek
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asylum. this is the bridge that takes you into texas. not only are migrants telling us they're getting turneded away by u.s. customs officials, they're telling us mexican customs officials aren't letting them set foot on the bridge. >> patricia says she's brn turned away twice in the last two weeks and that mexican authorities threatened to deport her if she tried again. flores and her 7-year-old son are from el sal vaa davadosalva. >> she say she's scared of being separated from her son, but doesn't think god would allow that. shebtsz her son saw a man shot in the eye and one of her son's favorite games is to run around with a make believe bulletproof jacket and pretend he survived a gang member's gun shot. i was asking her why she does this. she says it's worth the hard journey. >> these migrants sit in a form
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of purgatory. tears well up in his eyes when he says one last thing before we leave. he's saying he hopes that the stories of immigrants like himself and others will change the president trump's heart. >> and erin, the question remains and many who support president trump's zero tolerance policy still support this idea this this kind of strict immigration policy sevrves as a deterrent from people coming up from central america. the pastor who runs the shelter say he's heard of a few cases of families who have given up and turned away, but over and oaf, we've heard from immigrants in the shelters and border towns that they would much rather face the uncertainty and consequences of the u.s. immigration system than returning to their violent
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neighborhoods. >> all right. powerful report there. what happens when you do the quote unquote right way. and next tonight, trump being called shameful and racist. what is the word they used that sparked that criticism? also breaking this hour, michael cohen out with a letter slamming the president's family separation policy. why? it was my very first car accident. i called usaa and the first thing they asked was 'are you ok?' they always thank you for your service, which is nice because as a spouse you serve too. we're the hayles and we're usaa members for life. yogyoooogiiiiiii!! but when it comes to mortgages, he's less confident.
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-- >> shameful, racist. >> is it dangerous? >> it is very dangerous. general hayden, do you agree with representative lewis? >> i will say this, erin, i think the use of that word, infest is beneath the dignity of the office of the president. i don't know why the president will would do that. i am disappointed but i will leave the descriptions to the congressman. >> you are clear with where you think it is beneath the dignity of the office.
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steve cortez talked about those families on this program last night and here is what he said. >> these immigrants and i am an immigrant. >> they are not immigrant. they are invaders. >> let me finish. i did not interrupt you. >> i did not interrupt you. >> that word, invaders? >> when you come here without permission, you are an invader. cortez came out in the morning and said upon reflection, i take back the word invaders. i resent the trump hater's extreme language. so he is referencing, a tweet of yours in which you talked about government separating mothers
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and children. what do you say? >> well, number one, i am glad he walked back that inaccurate and unfortunate word he used last night. invader. because they are not invaders. and in regard to the tweet, i own it. and the message i put out in the tweet, i am not claiming that president trump is hitler or current government is nazi like. what i am saying is there are a lot of things in this country that don't remind me of 1944. but do remind me of berlin in 1943. a code of personality, a code of untruth. a ministry of propaganda. it don't have to end up where the history of germany took it. but i thought it was time for me to send up a warning flare that
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we have to send up this thing. there is no reason why we can't end up in a dark place like other countries like germany did. >> you know two of america's top allies on that front, the prime minister of the uk. and prime minister of canada, have criticized trump's policy. here is how they put it. >> the pictures of children appearing to be held in cages is wrong. this is not something we agree with. >> what is going on in the united states is wrong. i can't imagine what the families living through this are enduring. obviously this is not the way we do things in canada. >> general, is there lasting damage done? >> we are a great nation and those are great allies and i
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think we can heal. but they are ng what are our common values. if turkey or jordan were treating refugees from the violence in syria, the way we are treating refugees on our southern border, we would join in condemning it. >> i think that says it extremely well. next breaking news, michael cohen turning on trump. slamming his immigration policy. wait until you hear how. is this just the beginning of the flip? and i can do it with what's already within me. because my body can still make its own insulin. and once-weekly trulicity activates my body to release it. trulicity is not insulin. it comes in a once-weekly, truly easy-to-use pen. it works 24/7. trulicity is an injection to improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise.
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personal trump's personal lawyer and fixer resigning. saying he cannot focus on his duties. this is important, citing the trump administration policy of separating families at the border and powerful words on that. cara, significant and the words here, cohen did not mince words. >> no he didn't. and this is significant because
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this is the first time we have seen michael cohen break from the trump policy. if we take a look at the words he used specifically about the immigration apologicy, y immigration policy, we bring it up. quote as the son of the polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching. children should never be used as bargaining chips. >> that is the first time that cohen has broken from the administration. it comes that he is willing to cooperate with the investigation and he is willing to talk to investigators about the president. and also, you know, cohen has just retained new lawyers and now we are at the next stage in this and cohen is going to have to make decisions.
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these are all snags thignals ths making. >> thank you very much. and children should never be used as bargaining chips. thanks so much for all of us for joining us. we will see you tomorrow. ac l360 starts now. beginning with breaking news with the border crisis. it is a problem, as you know, the president and his administration caused by choosing back in april to enforce existing border laws that other president have not until now. wat followed was kids in holding pens and kids in desert detention centers. young children, toddlers housed in tender age facilities. the president