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these are all snags thignals ths making. >> thank you very much. and children should never be used as bargaining chips. thanks so much for all of us for joining us. we will see you tomorrow. ac l360 starts now. beginning with breaking news with the border crisis. it is a problem, as you know, the president and his administration caused by choosing back in april to enforce existing border laws that other president have not until now. wat followed was kids in holding pens and kids in desert detention centers. young children, toddlers housed in tender age facilities. the president has refused to
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take responsibility for his role in anything. something on full display today barring family separation. he deflected blame on to other presidents dating back to eisenhower for a problem that he says only he has the courage to solve. >> this has been going on for 60 years, nobody has taken care of it. nobody has had the political courage to take care of it. we are going to take care of t it has been going on for a long time. >> that is not true. his administration enacted the zero tolerance policy that caused the blow up. cnn has learned today's executive order does not call for the reunioniting.
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>> well, anderson, to put it bluntly, nothing is going to happen. paint it painting it as this long-term solution is more of a stopgap. there i no language in the text of this executive order that says anything about these children who have been split up from these parents, these 2300 or so that we know of. they will not be immediately reuni reuni reunited with their families. they are not grandfathered in any way in this language that the president instructed today to keep these families together if they are detained while coming across the border. that doesn't apply to these people. the president is painting this as a long-term solution, but officials are essentially saying these kids who have been separated from their parents won't be immediately reunited.
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it will be up to the parents to find a way to be reunited with their children. but no language that reunites them with their families. >> the policy may resume in less than three weeks. >> this agreement that they cannot hold children longer than 20 days. unless they go to court and this ruling is overturned, that is not going to change. and the officials recognize that today admitted as much saying essentially that after 20 days it could go back to what it was before the president signed this executive order. the president did not have to sign an executive order to put an end to the separation of these families on the border. that is the direct result of the policy that his attorney general enacted not that long ago. all he had to do was pick up the phone and call the attorney general to put an end to this.
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instead our sources said he wants to be more decisive. which is why he signed this executive order that frankly, anderson, seems to be a band-aid for this entire issue. >> kaitlin thanks. hundreds are being taken to places scattered across the country and in many cases far from their parents. thr three airlines are asking the government not to put these kids on their flights. jason carroll is there now. any indication that they have been given guidance as to what happens to these kids now? >> reporter: in the short-term what is going to happen is they are going to stay with their foster families, go home at night and come back to facilities like this one during the day.
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and in the long-term though, there is no answer, no plan in place in terms of what will happen to the 239 children and babies some as young as nine months old that are being housed here at this particular facility. even to want, the deputy mayor of health and human services says her office has received no plan from the federal government in terms of what to do with these 239 children. this is a problem that is facing not just the children of the facilities here at this one in new york, but throughout the country. >> how did the kids there end up there. they crossed the southern border which is obviously nowhere near new york. >> reporter: right. if you listen to new york city's mayor, he brings up one example, a nine-year-old, he calls him eddie from honduras. he says most of these kids came here by bus. many arriving here with lice,
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bed bugs, chicken pocks. some of the conditions he may have received in transit on the way here. many of the children suffering from the mental anguish o being separated from their parents. imagine the shock, anderson, this mayor had, shock and anger in finding out 239 children were here. he said his office, the city had no idea these children were even here. >> so you said they are in foster care and they go back at night and go back to the facility during the day or being housed at that facility? >> reporter: no, that is correct. they are housed here during the day. they have classes they receive care from social workers and go home with foster families that they have been placed with. that is how this facility here operates. there are several facilities like this one here in new york
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city. but i can't express enough the anger that the mayor had because he says the federal government, federal officials are not communicating with city officials that is why they found out today after this video came out showing some of these young girls being taken to the facility late at night. that is how the mayor's office got wind some children are here and it is not just some. it is 239 children that are here. the federal government is telling facilities like this one not to share with them how much information they have about these children, the number of children that are here at this particular facility, this facility finally agreeing to cooperate. the anger this mayor had in finding out this many children were here right here his knows
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and they had no idea. >> the president acted today on two bills. the president didn't really need congress to act as he demonstrated today. that was quickly pushed aside by the breaking news. joining me now with his take is bernie sanders. senator sanders what is your reaction that the 2300 kids who have been separated from their parents will not be reunion yietyiereunionsited with them. >> there is almost nothing one could say. the idea of tearing little children from the arms of their parents and putting them into detention cages and then making a big deal about an executive order which may do absolutely nothing for these 2300 children
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is literally beyond belief. trump once again has lied and he told the american people that this was a policy created by congress, could only be addressed by congress. he was lying of course it was a crisis that he created and attempted to address today. but he didn't go anywhere near far enough. so where we are right now is close to 2400 kids are still separated from their parents. there is no understanding, as your reporters have indicated when these children will be reuni reunited. furthermore we have a situation where the trump administration now, their solution is to provide indefinite detention. i presume for the new people arrested they will be with their children in jail for an indefinite period of time because the trump administration wants to undo the flores
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settlement which focuses on the need of children and limits to 20 days. bottom line to all of this is that this country needs fundamental and comprehensive immigration reform which deals with this, this issue, which deals with the daca crisis and which deals with the 10 million people who are undocumented in this country right now. >> the president is saying he wanted a longer term solution and that is what he is holding out for. blaming the democrats. do you believe this executive order was anything other than a public relations band-aid? >> i say this often and i don't want to be misunderstood. you know, i don't need to be overly partisan, but we have a president who lies all of the time including on this issue. just the other day, you correct me if i am wrong, he was saying i can't do anything about it. this is congressional action
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that was needed. that is not true. he created the crisis and he could end the crisis. so i think what has happened, is when you have millions of americans, my phone lines in burlington and here in washington are bouncing off the hook. people in vermont, and i know people all over this country cannot believe that the united states we are putting these kids into detention camps. there is outrage. you have laura bush talking about this action being eerily reminiscent. you have the pope speaking out on this issue. and leaders all over the world saying what is going on in the united states. trump had to respond to this. clearly he sees from his political perspective of being anti immigrant is a winner for
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him politically. i don't think that is. but that is his logic and he will continue to mount a strong anti immigrant effort. in the midst of all of this stuff, so we don't get distracted, we have the leadership in the house talking now after giving a trillion dollars in tax breaks to the top 1% coming up with a budget that would make massive cuts to social security, medicare and medicaid. >> you talked about the flores settlement which limits how long kids can be in detention to 20 days. is it clear to you, the administration clearly wants to reverse that in the courts. it is not clear they will be able to do that. if they are not able to change that ruling, is it clear to you what happens. do the separations resume.
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if the court says no, the flores settlement remains, do they go back to separating them? >> you are asking a good question in which nobody knows the answer. what you are suggesting is as i understand, if the parents remain in prison, the kids cannot be held more than 20 days. you are asking what can happen to those kids. i don't think anybody knows the answer. it may well mean those kid the may be separated from their parents. and here is the absurdity. i think we have a mechanism now to keep track of those families to make sure they get to court when they should get to court and you can do that for much lower cost to the taxpayers than imprisoni imprisoning parents and children. >> you are talking about ankle monitoring. other ways that is in fact a lot
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cheaper. >> the bottom line of this thing, i want everybody to appreciate the trauma. i expect permanent psychological trauma to a child three or four, who can't speak english. my god, you don't have to be a child psychologist to know what the damage has been done. will trump release the parents with the children or will he keep them separated? >> in terms of what is happening in congress, where the administration insists on placing responsibility. republicans are actually divided on. more narrow republican bill in the senate. have you seen any piece of legislation that you can report. >> there are two pieces of legislation and one is bad and
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one is worse. and here is the irony. the american people overwhelming want comprehensive american reform. the american people want differing opinions. but a majority of the american people believe we should have comprehensive immigration reform and a ph towards citizen. we are not getting report from the president who sees anti immigration as a good strategy for him. >> clearly he felt you know, he didn't get the funding he wanted earlier and there were obviously concerns raised by some supporters that he was looking weak on illegal immigration. >> maybe. more importantly you have a
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president that was giving tax breaks to billionaires who want to cut programs that working people need. if you could foment anger against immigrant and show how strong you are in those little children, it will get you votes. i think ultimately that is his strategy. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. ahead two legal views, professor alan dershowitz. and jason turley. for this new stepdad, caring for his daughter as if she's his own is an act of mutuality. learn more or find an advisor at massmutual.com ♪ at massmutual.com i am totally blind.
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about the executive order? >> reporter: he did. just a few moments ago. he talked about his executive order. i can tell you if you warrant paying close attention, you almost would have missed it. he likes to talk about his accomplishments and the competent. and the executive order that he signed today, it created the biggest consternation. he summed it up in one sentence, saying i signed an executive order to keep families together but the borders would remain as tough as ever. and he changed the subject. i can tell you after we have done reporting throughout the day, one of the things that pushed him the post to change his mind was that he was losing the loyal support of his most
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loyal allies like orrin hatch. so the combination of that as well as the images that ivanka trump and melania trump talked to him about that urged him to change his minds. >> thank you very much. president trump said his signing of the executive order didn't mean an end to his administration's zero tolerance policy. with me is rick wilson strategist not a trump supporter. >> i think what we have seen here is one of the greatest political defeats of the
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president. this was done in a panic. it is a bet he lost. he lost it badly. and he got beaten like a rented mule by these images of these kids being separated from their parents and he signed this in a panic today. the text of it even, the first paragraph of it or first section of it was this whine about donald trump being wrong here. this is something he did in a quick, panicked moment. he convinced himself that it was going to be a big political winner and it is a big political sti stinker. >> the president couldn't just pick up the phone and reverse the policy. but then all of a sudden, the president signs this executive
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order and seems to do just that. >> something he has been contemplating for so long. >> wait. that is not true. this was sold early on, i mean general kelly was talking about this when he was head of homeland security more than a year ago that this was going to be a deterrent, the taking of kid the from their parents. >> it should be a deternrent. i wouldn't put my child in harm's risk. the fact that these parents are putting these children at risk. however, the president saying from the beginning, it is unfortunate and he didn't like parents separated from the children. crying chuck schumer. he signs the order.
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>> my question is though, how come the white house is saying all along, no, the president can't just sign an order and make a phone call. but today the president did just that. >> he can't sign an order because the order that he signed, everybody is saying it is incomplete and it is not enough. he did what he could do at this time and we will see what happens later on. >> rick, does that make sense to you? >> it does not. and i will tell you why. the executive order he signed today was a response to a political panic. >> no you can't say that. >> reverend, i'm sorry, i didn't interrupt you. >> go ahead. >> this is a large panic and they made a huge political bet. steve bannon, steven miller, the president, secretary nealsen were out there saying that.
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how great this is politically for the president. people are going to love this because it is president trump being tough on the border. the features of this plan were donald trump's design. this is something donald trump wanted. he got a program out there that deliberately separated children from their parents. young children. very young children. >> wait -- >> tender age -- >> they have to go into tender age centers. this was a plan that donald trump executived. planned out by steve bannon and miller. >> this has been going on for decades. >> in their own words. >> one at a time. >> it began with them faking those fake photographs in children in photographs that were placed in cages under the obama administration.
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this is a talking point. >> if it was wrong then -- >> if it was wrong then you should be crying about it then as you are crying about it now. >> you need to be careful. >> let me -- >> hold on. >> let the reverend -- >> reverend scott -- >> no such thing as political panic with donald trump. he doesn't panic. >> oh yes he does. >> reverend scott, you support what he did today. do you believe separating kids from their parents is a humane thing to do? >> listen. separating children. let me answer. separating children from law breaking pafrrents is a standar operating procedure in the black community. we see that all the time in the black community.
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law breakers who break the law, the kids are taken into custody. this outrage here is something new to me. once again, in the black community we see this all the time. now, the question is what should be done with the children when they are apprehended. do i put them in jail with the parent. walk down the street by themselves what do i do? that is what the real question is. something has to be done. these parents are breaking the laws. they know they are breaking the laws and they are bringing the children with them in the commission of the crime. what do you do with the children. >> what past administrations does is release them and ask them to come to court. >> come on, now. listen, it is hard to get people eaking speeding limits to come back to court. come on now.
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>> according to statistics 75% of them would. >> put out by the department -- >> the ones that are put out by the justice department. >> we are trying to sneak into this country. >> you can talk all over it what you want. you asked about what statistics -- now you are ignoring that. >> they let you loose in this country. >> i am telling you -- you can say come on now all you want. the department of justice say 75% of them return. >> 75% of them that they are aware of. department of justice is wrong then. >> i appreciate it. thanks very much. more reaction of the president's executive order and the fine
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. the press is defending the executive order he signed. it may do nothing for the 2300 kids separated. perspective from alan dershowitz and jonathan turley. does it seem to the administration, the president is actually thought out this policy? >> well, i don't know. i know he should be saying three things. three absolutes. number one, no separation of parents and children.
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and number two, no detention of any child more than 20 days and number three, immediate who are now -- those are the three -- work within those three -- >> we are having a hard time hearing you. we are going to go to professor turley just for now. professor turley, about the 20 days that goes back to the flores settlement. is it clear to you from a legal standpoint if the administration can't get that court order reversed, that settlement reversed is it possible these kids who theoretically be held with their families moving forward for 20 days would then be separated? >> absolutely a possibility certainly. if you follow the flores consent agreement, they can only hold these kids for 20 days.
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so you have a choice and this is kicking the can down the road. so you reunite the family. the clock is ticking. if it goes beyond 20 days, you release the entire family which is similar to the obama policy that the president wants to change or you once again separate the family and send the child into some type of custodial care. i doubt it that a judge is going to change this earlier consent decree. this is a type of buyer's remorse motion that you get from a party that says now we want to change what we agreed to. it is a, the time is passed for you to appeal that decision. i think they will have a fairly hostile or certainly uncooperative resp uncooperative response from the judge. >> prefer you were talking about
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the things that you think should happen. is it clear to you why the administration has for days and weeks s look, only congress can do something on this and seem to reverse themselves on it today and sudden the president signed this executive order. >> maybe because he listened to us last night. clearly he had the power to sign it. and he has the power to say to his justice department and homeland security. no separation, reunification -- as it -- remember that he complained now -- he said why doesn't he get a break. -- >> professor, dershowitz. i'm sorry, we are having trouble hearing you. >> it addressed the separation of family going forward. does it change anything this executive order today from a legal stand point? >> not really.
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there was no requirement that they separate the family. abundantly clear from this executive order. but it doesn't change anything in a sense that you still have the binding flores agreement and so we are going to have the same question in 20 days. and this is what is so concerning. this is eerily reminiscent what we saw with the travel ban. there is a lot of preparation that needs to be done when you are going to make this type of change. in fairness to the trump administration, trump ran on a much more enhanced enforcement of immigration. he wants to shift the paradigm from the civil proceedings to the criminal proceedings. and the impact is that you run into flores. now, it is also true that we did separate families before the trump administration. this is not a new program.
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but when he shifted to the criminal enforcement so heavily, it magnified those systems -- numbers. it is a certain pattern for the administration and it is baffling. >> it called on the defense department to come to housing. it is not clear right now what sort of facilities or if there are enough facilities to house families together. >> i think people need to remember one thing in relying too much on flores. the flores deals with holding these kids essentially in detention or a form of incarceration. the administration could really put a wedge into that distinction by moving the kid the to things like military facilities, where it is essentially like home confinement or they could use
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electronic bracelets for tracking. now the one thing that the administration really needed it may not get is new legislation. if there is no legislation, that consent decree can be viewed as either moot or this underlying changes. if there is no legislation, you have to court with the same position. >> professor turley, i appreciate it. and our apologies on the audio program. coming up, we will tell you who is making money it seems is right now.
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with all these undocumented children being housed who is exactly behind the construction and up keep of many of the facilities? drew griffin tonight has the details about the executive who runs one operation. >> reporter: he is suddenly at the center of the media storm. that is because juan sanchez' charity the southwest key organization is housing half of those kids. sanchez and his organization
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provide shelter, schooling and reunification services for thousands. by most accounts he is doing a pretty good job and by most accounts he is making a small fortune doing it. >> the salary is extraordinary high for a charity. >> reporter: operating 83 shelters or schools or detention centers across the country. the federal government contracts add up to $1.5 billion. according to the latest tax files, sanchez's southwest key doubling. it is that a lot even for a nonprofit of hiss size? apparently yes. >> the head of the american reds cross receives a $600,000 salary. it is a multibillion dollar charity that controls half of
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our blood supply. you have this charity and the budget is a tenth of its size and not nearly the size of its responsibilities and it does appear high. >> reporter: sanchez defends the high salary. he says the first years were a struggle. >> when we started, it was a struggle. over time we said we are now in a position to pay your salary. >> reporter: that history doesn't match with the group's tax filing. nearly every year since except for two gap years showing no income. his salary has increased. that doesn't include his wife listed as the vice president.
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made. compensation should be similar to what sanchez could make in the private sector. and questions why the board of southwest key voted to approve sanchez current compensation jee. >> the board can issue a salary. believes that is excessive compensation. >> why is this institution considered a nonprofit charity in the first place? >> it is unusual to see that kind of entity be tax exempt. >> southwest keys says the salary is below average. >> by southwest keys own analysis, sanchez is the third
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subpoenaed. people familiar with the matter say prosecutors in the michael cohen case are investigating whether the payment for the rights to her story about a purported affair between then-candidate trump and a playboy model could have violated campaign finances laws. why do you think they squashed the story? >> back then, or now? >> now. >> umm, they -- they didn't want to hurt him. >> you think it's because of a personal relationship with the guy who runs ami, is friends with donald trump? >> correct. >> president trump has denied an affair with mcdougal. ami has denied paying ms. mcdougal to suppress her story. according to two sources, cohen's decision to cooperate with prosecutors is, quote, a moving target and any decision
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would be weeks away, depending on what if any charges michael cohen will be facing. cnn's jeffrey toobin joins us now. as someone who knows more than most about ami and its inner working, i wonder what you make of this latest "wall street journal" story. >> it's not surprising that law enforcement would be interested in this subject. but it is also not clear whether any crime was committed by anyone here. david pecker, who was the ceo of american media, is a very close friend of donald trump. and when i interviewed him for "the new yorker," he was very open in saying we use "the national inquirer" to help donald trump get elected president, we were supportive of him. he was less clear on what the basis was of the $150,000 payment, because he didn't say it was a catch and kill story. he didn't say that they bought the story in order not to -- in
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order to suppress it, to help the trump campaign. he said they had other interests in karen mcdougal to do fitness reporting. that i think was somewhat more questionable. but whether donald trump, david pecker, michael cohen, anyone committed a crime here, is far from clear to me. >> we should say ami forcefully denies that they engage in what's called catch and kill. >> right. >> but employees there have told a different story, former employees. >> and it's hard to see why they would have paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal for any other reason except to help donald trump, because even by "national inquirer" standards, that's a good deal of money. it was right in the middle of the presidential campaign. and they barely used her at all for any of the american media magazines. so it seems hard to imagine any
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other purpose for this payment, other than to suppress the story. but in fairness, david pecker says that's not why they bought it. >> if ami and michael cohen did collude or have some sort of an agreement to suppress information about the president during the campaign, what kind of trouble could they actually be in? a fine? >> i mean, it is conceivably a campaign violation in the sense that giving the money to karen mcdougal was in effect an in-kind contribution to the trump campaign. i think that that theory is a bit of a stretch. it's very hard to imagine how that could be prosecuted criminally by anyone. possibly federal election commission, some sort of fine. but i think it's important to emphasize here, we really don't know the full extent of the michael cohen investigation, why the southern district of new york got a search warrant.
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so i suspect this is sort of like the mueller investigation, sort of like an iceberg. three-quarters is below the surface. so i'm just very hesitant to draw any conclusions about what the southern district is actually looking at here, other than the obvious, which is potentially a campaign finance violation. >> which gets to the whole notion, i mean, all the talk about michael cohen, would he cooperate, would he flip, would he say something about the president, all of that is dependent on what he's actually charged with. >> absolutely. and in fairness to michael cohen, as well as in fairness to donald trump, michael cohen has not been charged with any crime at all. what we do know is that the southern district of new york got a search warrant to search his offices, which means at a minimum they have probable cause to believe, a magistrate concluded that there was probable cause that evidence of a crime took place there. plus it's very unusual for u.s.
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attorneys to get search warrants for lawyers' offices. so it's probably something more than probable cause. but that's really just specificati speculation on our part. and in fairness to cohen, we shldoint out he hasn't been charged with anything. i certainly can't point to any crime that he could be charged with at this point. >> jeff, thanks very much. up next, our breaking news on president trump's executive order. new reporting on how this actually will not impact kids who are currently being held. more on that, ahead. when you combine ancestry's with its historical records... you could learn you're from ireland donegal, ireland and your ancestor was a fisherman. with blue eyes. just like you. begin your journey at ancestry.com
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