the immigrants come through here first. this is the gateway to the united states if you will. what happens here is an indication of what is to come on the u.s./mexico border. >> so glad you are there reporting from the ground. thank you for being with us tonight. anderson starts now. good evening, we have breaking news on clashes of the highest government. in the middle of it all, the president seemed to suggest that the trauma of 2300 migrant children amounts to and i am quoting here, phony stories of sadness and grief. phony stories of sadness and grief. keeping them honest, what is odd is the president claims a number of times about what he has seen

and the stories of sadness and grief were real enough a few days ago when he signed that order claiming to undue the policy that he enacted. >> it is about keeping families together while at the same time being sure we have a strong border, and border security will be equal if not greater than previously. so strong, very strong borders. but going to keep the families together. i didn't like the sight or the feeling of families being separated. >> so two days ago, the stories were real enough to take executive action, and today they are phony. the president hosted an event, with families who have lost loved ones, families who have

lost. >> the word permanently being the word that you have to think about. permanently. they are not separated for a day or two days. they are permanently separated. because they were killed by criminal illegal aliens. >> now keeping them honest, the president is trying to portray the people we see being separated. equating them with murderers. >> i always hear that oh, no, the population is safer than the people that live in the country. you have heard that, right? hear so much and i say is that possible? the answer is it is not true. >> the notion that people who disagree with the president's confusing policy are arguing that the undocuments immigrants

are better people. there are numerous studies that show undocumented immigrants do not commit more crime, in fact just the opposite. but it doesn't mean they are bet -- as for the possibility of some sort of action, the president told congress just to forget about it for now. republicans should stop wasting their time on immigration. dems are playing games and have no intention to do anything to solve this decades problem. we heard from cindy madrid whose 6-year-old daughter was taken away from her days ago.

>> in a moment, we will tell you new information, and news about her and others. the ongoing challenges. nick valencia joins us. you spoke with a pro bono immigration attorney today. >> reporter: it took her three hours to get into this center. she said the conditions were pretty good. the inmates or detainees were getting fed well. but said there was a lot of confusion with the most of the 1700 detainees inside having no idea where their kids are. >> a lot of the children, a lot of the parents have not spoken to the children. when i asked the guards last night what do we do to make sure this happens. they said they need to put in a request. so this morning when i went in i

made a complaint. and i spoke with a nice officer who said he will follow up. what about all the people who are in there and haven't had a chance to meet with an attorney, they are in the same boat. these people don't know where their children are, so they can't send a letter if they wanted to. no communication with the children. >> reporter: all call for bilingual attorneys here to help out. >> it could take up to a month for parents to be vreunio reuni >> reporter: we heard from multiple attorneys that came out of the facility that it could be a month at best. some of them are finding out this zero tolerance policy has

been dropped. it is not ideal circumstances and a lot of confusion that is brewing because of a lack of communication. >> have they told -- >> reporter: i lost my ib. >> chaos over executive trump's order. evidence that neither the order nor the policy was well thought out especially with the implementation. white house correspondent has the latest. >> can you walk us through what happened last night at the white house and again this morning. >> right. so after the president's executive order on wednesday which was as we know very sudden. this was not something that was a deliberative process or not

something that this came about with a lot of forethought. and we have seen the results of that. confusion at the border. different parts of the government didn't know how to implement it. by thursday night a meeting convened in the room. you had dhs, hhs, border patrol. and the white house. and they sat around in what i am told a tense meeting. how do we implement this. it continued the next day friday morning where the commission of the customs and border protection came back to the house and i am told the meetings continued throughout the day friday. how do we do zero-tolerance, what the president wants how do

they do that while at the same time keeping them together. a monumental task of working together and doing it on the fly. >> raising the biggest alarms about this just since they are the front line agents and officers. >> right. so you know, a family comes across, mom and dad, they have a little child with them illegally across the border. they raise their hands and say here we are. it is the custom and border protection agents are going to be the folks taking them into the custody. on the literal border. and they have to figure out how to process them. initial entry into the system. do they hand over to justice department for immediate prosecution. do they hand them over to dhs and i.c.e. which is the immigration system. and they are we are told, the agency that is most concerned with, look, we don't have the

resources. they told us that one of the things that they have said is that justice department, the lawyers, there aren't prosecutors, judges to prosecute all of these people and they are raising the red flag. >> you reported before the president signed, he was repeatedly changing his mind on what he was going to do. do we know why? >> we don't. the sense that, is the president up until the last minute was quined by h convinced by his own set of beliefs. steven miller is the architect of all of these ideas. and those people have convinced the president until the very last moment that he was doing the right thing with the zero tolerance and despite the terrible images of the families being separated that he should stick with it.

it wasn't until the last moment he vas slated back and forth and said i have to do something. the travel ban was similar in which a lot of these questions, how they find space, where do they find space, those issues should have been hashed out. in this administration, they have done things backwards. >> thanks very much. a fact check on how this, joining us is acting immigration for i.c.e. and alan dershowitz. general kelly was talking about

the possibility of spreadiepara families. and it doesn't seem like there was planning. >> no clear plan back in washington. you can't roll out a big plan like this especially one involving kids. they bring the agencies together and coordinate all of this and get clear guidance to the field. this is a pattern we have seen with the administration going back to the travel ban. >> and under flores, you say they were talking about the military camps. there is actual regulations of how kids have to be. >> you have excellent kecareer people in the government. when you see the executive order coming out and say hey, we are going to build a 20,000-person family detention center at the military, this doesn't comply

with flores. no way they can do that. and by my estimate going to cost two to $3 billion. i.c.e. has 2,000 beds, and spend 250 million on that right now annually. and times it by ten. there is no money budgeted it for that. >> this is a president who is an article two president. he claims he has this enormous authority. and suddenly he doesn't have power under article two. we can issue three orders immediately. no future separation. that's number one. number two, no detention of any child beyond 20 days in compliance with flores. number three, immediate reunification of all separated

families within three to five days. he can issue that order. and say to all the departments work in those constraints. if you have to put bracelets on people. the president complained that manafort should have worn a bracelet. it is cheaper to do. perfection is the enemy of the good. the president has the power to do the right thing and there is no excuse this article 2 president not to invoke his powers under article two to do the right thing. >> john, do you think that is going to be what it is boiling down to? releasing people with their kids. >> i agree that the president can do this immediately. continue to do this zero tolerance but reunite the kids. so the problem is that we have the kids scattered all over the

country. kids who are in foster facilities where there is state laws and federal laws. what is in the best interest of the child. how is it in the best and of the child to bring them back into the detention facility that doesn't comply with flores. >> you can't yank them out of a foster situation and transport them. >> it is not that simple. once they are taken away, it gets more complicated and there is a simple way to do it. release the parents put them on the bracelet. you have humanity and families that are together. >> professor mentioned 95% return on that policy, that happens. >> the first issue with catch and release, it is not that they abscond. the problem is we never give them a court date.

they deprioritize their hearing days. when you release those family members, they were getting two, three, four-year court days. so if you are a border hawk, that feels like amnesty. but there is a simple way to fix that. put them on the bracelet. hire more judges and expedite the hearing. you have families that are together. >> professor, do you believe there needs to be more judges on this. a backlog of 700,000 cases. >> we need more prosecutors, more defense attorneys and more judges. this is a serious matter. we have to have the resources to back that. and the resources require expedited trials. i would like to see flores decision to say unless you are

brought to trial within 90 days, you get to be in the country free and then set a date in the future to have a trial. in the meantime bring the families together. you can't use the lack of resources as an excuse to keep families separated. the president has the power to do it. if he doesn't think he does, i would be happy to write a constitutional brief telling him that he has the power. the question is does he have the will to do the right thing. that's the challenge. >> great to have you. good discussion. just ahead the girl heard on the audio tape, got one thing that she and her mom were hoping for. details on that. >> the day after she wore the jacket i don, we will see what

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a migrant cindy madrid. and until yesterday she and her mother were not able to speak directly. i want to remind you of the original audio recording. >> gary joining us from phoenix. what have you learned? >> reporter: well this shelter in the heart of phoenix is where the six-year-old girl is living 1300 miles away from her mother cindy who is in cindy. they were split apart six years

ago and they haven't communicated but that has all changed. a statement reading the child was able to speak with her mother 30 minutes. we are continuing to provide this child with excellent care anda are advocated for safe reunification on her behalf. due to the need to protect the privacy of the child in our care, we cannot speak to the specifics. we walked into this facility, walked into the gate and were not allowed inside. we were able to talk to an employee on a call box. >> i understand you won't let us in, but can someone come out and fill us in the condition of this little girl. >> we are not allowed to talk to the media at all. >> how is the little girl doing? >> i'm sorry, i can't give any

information about the little girl. >> you need what? >> i'm sorry? >> i didn't hear what you said. >> i can't give any information about the little girl. it is violating her privacy. >> i do want to know that all the minors in the facility they are doing fine and they are doing okay. >> all the minors in the facility are doing fine and they are oka >> so i want to make sure that includes alison hymna. >> i can't continue answering any more questions. have a nice day. >> have a nice day. >> reporter: well after that statement, after e-mails, after phone calls that we made all day. we got the statement that mother and daughter talked. in addition, with source for

knowledge of the situation, does say they tried to set up communication three days ago. the mother was supposed to call but she is being detained. there is another call scheduled for this tuesday, tuesday afternoon. >> and is there any information about when they may be reunited? >> reporter: the mother has no idea when she will be reunited. 110 degrees in phoenix and we are told the air-conditioning in the shelter is working fine and plenty of food and water. >> i appreciate it very much. coming up, the jacket melania trump wore grabbed a lot of headlines and now it is one of her tweets that is grabbing attention. ahead.

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first lady melania trump took to twitter today one day after visiting a shelter in south texas. the most visible after effect is the jacket she wore. the jacket her spokesperson said had no hidden message. and one that the president said had a message after all about the media. this followed about i a tweet a couple of days ago by president

trump's daughter ivanka saying congress has to act. amanda, i am wonder how much of that capital was squandered by the sign on the back of her jacket. whatever the intent was. and i don't know if anybody exactly knows what the intent there was. >> i have a theory. i agree with the team that there wasn't a hidden message. it was a message broadcast loud in clear . but to her husband. let's recall after the "access hollywood" tape, she donned that

blouse. after the stormy daniels affair, she wore a beautiful white pantsuit to the state of the union address. i think this jacket which she put on leaving washington and once again in washington was a message to her husband saying i don't care, do you. she did not care to coordinate the trip to the white house. it was unannounced. i think she is speaking to trump and doesn't care what anybody else thinks. >> i am wondering what you make of this jacket which is still a topic of discussion. a designer she doesn't wear that much. what do you think? >> you know, i do think because the president brought it up and he had his own theory about the

jacket that he expressed in the tweet that he made it the news. we shouldn't be too focused on it. and he should be focused on it. and that makes it more of a story. i couldn't have said it better than what amanda said. she appeared in the white suit and white hat and sucked all of the energy out, everything the entire day was about the hat. i think she trolls her husband. and i think that is a message. be willing to wear a zara jacket that is $30 is great for her. we would be alarmed if michelle

obama wore this. what is going on? melania trump is the polar opposite of her husband. she doesn't like the spotlight. she didn't wear the jacket in the facility. that was very obvious and intentional. at the facility it was about the children. she made the story of the day about her. no matter how much ranting was going on in that room. >> i find it funny that some supporters are saying this is ridiculous that people are focusing on the message. to a.b.'s point, if michelle obama had worn a jacket with a sign on the back of it, you know, on a trip that was supposed to be about caring and said i don't care, people's

heads would have exploded. there is this double standard. almost like one of these, on 24, you see a hostage video when people are blinking a secret message. you can't ignore when the first lady of the united states is wearing a sign on her back. >> or making a platform of be best. it is also an incredibly unnecessary juvenile dramatic move. >> like high school. >> caught up in the drama by her and her husband. she did take the focus away from the children. i was rooting for her. ivanka talking to her father about the images. i was thrilled that the first

lady went down there. but once she decided to put on the jacket for whatever reason, she took the focus off. >> ivanka trump has pitched herself to be compassionate to mothers and she could go to visit a detention center. she was getting a detention for having had influence on her father, and i am wondering if melania trump, if this may have been directed for ivanka for kind of grabbing credit because the president referenced melania trump as being an nuance on his opinion. >> this is a very interesting tension. remember, i sort of, we are talking about melania trump who ended up in the situation where the president won the presideny and she stayed in new york and she was hesitant about the role to begin with and living in that

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that got away. agent dan hernandez. >> we patrol over the size of new jersey. >> reporter: tucson is the second busiest sector in the country. constantly spied on by human traffickers just over the way. >> as we are talking right now, there are two scouts up on the ridge. >> reporter: the president's immigration flip-flop doesn't help. >> u.s. customs and border protection took steps immediately. >> reporter: separated families are being reunited. >> a family would not be prosecuted unless one of them had a criminal record but would

go through a deportation process. individual will be prosecuted for breaking the law. >> reporter: the heart breaking policy was a deterrent for others to cross illegally. have you seen a decline in the numbers? >> our numbers have remained steady but we haven't been doing it long enough. >> reporter: from the pictures of horrifying children to their recorded cries in detention. when you saw those pictures, heard that audio, what were you thinking? >> the picture of the children crying? it is something that we have seen in the past. in 32 years, i have seen a lot of those situations up and down the border. so it is something. it is something that goes at your heart. >> reporter: rank-and-file agents tell me they worry they will be blamed.

there were people that believe that you were ripping children out of the hands of the parents. >> false narrative. it is a process we have. >> reporter: meanwhile, agent hernandez continues to patrol. in this deadly landscape, he is more concerned with keeping them alive. >> what is your understanding of what happens to families after they have been processed for deportation. >> reporter: let me tell you, first of all, the cbp is saying now they expect all of the families in their custody to be reunited by the end of the day today. those that were detained. and you can see the custom and border patrol people behind us. they make the initial apprehension. take them back to the station, try to determine who they are. in other words, are they who they say they are. and also, are they really the

parents of the minors that they say they are with. once they do that and establish this is a legitimate family, the next step is to notify i.c.e. and for that process, they come and collect them and take them over to their world. and that's where the real deportation process goes. could be two directions. one is the family can ask and request asylum and begin that process. more than likely, the deportation process and eventually sent back to the country from where they began. >> you said likely by the end of the day those who have been separated to be reunited. where will they go once they are reunited? >> reporter: that is the part we don't know. there are a lot of holes. when i asked where will they go? they couldn't say. we learned they could be reunited just a short time ago.

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throughout the week we have been bringing you our special series champions for change. stories of people making a difference in the world. bill weir shows us. >> a place for so much to see.

they lean in. >> hello. are you okay? >> reporter: rain or shine or constant rejection, they refuse to forget the forgotten. because these angels in orange know that with enough relentless compassion, they can turn a life like this -- >> look how great my closet is? i put my sneakers up there. >> reporter: -- into one like this. >> look how big my bathroom is. >> reporter: this is robert. >> i got a shower and i've got a hand shower. >> reporter: he is excited about his studio apartment. for a decade, he lived here. this was your home, huh? >> yeah. where i got my aneurysm. >> reporter: until a near death experience urged him to trust for a change.

>> my real story is about these people. they saved my life. they saved my life. >> i think about that story a lot walking around my city and i wonder, if we repeat it enough times in enough cities could america rid itself of homelessness? you think about it this way. you see a sick and lost person on the street everyday, day after day, you feel sorry and maybe give them a couple bucks or buy them a sandwich. years of data shows us that good intention feeds bad habits. and a vicious, expensive cycle of emergency rooms and shelters and drunk tanks. what that person really needs is a home. so instead of the money, maybe you give them a card to a place like urban pathways. charities that believe in housing first. >> it's not as complicated as it appears. if you provide people with stable housing and with support

they in conjunction with you will do the work to find their dignity and to basically reach their full potential. >> which is different from the old model, right? >> totally different. >> with the old model a person had to get clean and sober first, they had to get housing ready but years in scary shelters and shadows can make this near impossible. >> my giant size microwave that i love so much! >> reporter: they do so much better with a place of their own. this is a long way from a park bench. >> oh, yeah. and the subway. >> the best smart to see them come through at the end. ten years down the line you see them, you won't even recognize them. >> reporter: in over 20 years of outreach, martha has seen so many transformations, including charles, he street team partner. you were on the street? how old? >> 18. >> reporter: really? what happened? how did you get there?

how did you get out. >> my parents didn't approve of me being gay so i left. i just got my first apartment and i'm, like, 33. >> congratulations. >> while they are out here building trust, their colleagues are building homes with a creative mix of public and private financing. >> on behalf of your friends at urban pathways, welcome home. >> thank you, sir. >> i can't wait to check it out. >> reporter: after losing his mother to cancer and his home to a scaling landlord, robert's bipolar disorder could have led to a life on the street but thanks to donors like extell development and a small government subsidy his new apartment costs about the same as keeping him alive with shelters and emergency rooms. >> ask any new yorker, would you rather spend $22,000 a year and have a person sleeping on the sidewalk or spend $23,000 a year and have that person living in an apartment like this.

>> reporter: so what kind of future do you imagine now that you're in a place like this? >> well, the goal is to start working again. i want to eventually get my social work degree. >> reporter: give a little back. >> absolutely. give a little back. >> reporter: and that is why the angels of urban pathways are my role models. i want you to hang on to this card, okay? >> reporter: my champions for change. out there proving what can happen with a little old-fashioned compassion and a new idea. >> i trust you. >> bill weir joins me now. this group is doing such good work. >> it is amazing. all right since we started sharing this story they've been flooded with such compassion for people who want to either help out or need homes. i never thought we'd attract homeless folks who see this and say i need a roof over my head. but when you give them dignity, you give them a sense of

security. because these people have been living in perpetual survival mode sometimes for decades throughout which makes it almost impossible to get sober and get your head straight but now once inside they can apply for a job, get medication, see their families again for the first time. >> so glad you did. bill, thanks very much, appreciate it. you can see more inspirational stories during the champions for change tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. on cnn. we'll be right back. come here, babe.

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it's unclear from congressional lawmakers will vote on a compromise bill on immigration. president trump now suggests they wait until after the midterm elections making it easier to pass the legislation. senator marco rubio, one time campaign rival of president trump and a child of cuban immigrants does not support the family separations but he does back some of what the president says about immigrants. rubio talked with david axelrod for tomorrow night's episodes of "the ax files." take a look. >> 98% of these people are being charged with a m.d., they don't

have criminal histories. is it fair to depict them that way? >> i don't think it's wise to cast a broad net of generalization over any group of human beings. so yes there are people that cross the boarder that are dangerous and criminals and the like. i would say through my experience the vast majority of people are coming over because they want a better life. and my sense of it is if you're a father, for example, my situation, my family is desperate. they're living in a dangerous situation, i'd do almost anything to protect my children and find a better life for them. so we have to understand that element of it. that doesn't mean we have to have laws on our end. >> don't miss more of the interview tomorrow night at 7:00 on "the axe files." again, 7:00 tomorrow night. on sunday, join me as well as david axelrod, karl rove, glenn clo close, robin william's son jack for a really important conversation. all of us have been touched by

suicide. on sunday night night at 7:00 p.m. we bring you the special report, finding hope, battling america's suicide crisis. you'll see how suicide impacts so many families. you can learn about warning signs and you'll hear inspirational stories of survival. there is hope and that's such an important message. again, that's sunday at 7:00 p.m. just before this seasonal's final two episodes of anthony bourdain parts unknown. time to hand it over to chris cuomo prime time. chris? a good week end to you and such an important special, thank you. i'm chris cuomo, welcome to prime time. the crisis on the border is in full effect. thousands of moms and dads still struggling to find their kids. for some reason it seems the folks with the least resources, the ones detained, have the do the most work to find their sons and daughters. instead of fixing this mess, this president is intent on fixing the narrative,